User talk:Inahet/Archive1

Comments from February 26, 2006 - April 10, 2006

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Re: Racism
Thanks for the notification; I've reverted to the revision before the vandalism. Hopefully everything's sorted now. I've also posted another warning on the user's page, but we'll see. dewet|&trade; 19:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

New Categories
I would like you to join following two categories of Muslims that have been censored by Zionista and Hindutva editors from posting your contributions.


 * Category:Wikipedians censored by Zionist editors
 * Category:Wikipedians censored by Hindutva editors

Siddiqui 03:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Anti Arabism
Hi - I'm sorry you deleted your note on my page before I got a chance to reply to it, I've been extremely busy lately (and will continue to be for a while) and have neglected some chores. As I mentioned on that article's talk page, I did try to make some improvements, but only a draft, that can be found here. I don't know how much of it was used. As for Iran, it may be appropriate to cite the document you referred to but only within context, assuming the author of this document is notable or the website (www.iranian.ws) is a notable website. In other words, use it as an example but not as an all-encompassing statement. Lastly, keep in mind that some contentious statements (or statements perceived to be contentious) may place you into dispute with other editors, so it is necessary to cite your sources or else you may be accused of original research. For example, a sentence like "Iranians with anti-Arab views are usually typically anti-Islam. Many of whom are Iranian jingoists, secularists or profess a religion other than Islam..." may be construed as original research unless sourced. Do you have scholarly references to back up such statements? I'm sorry I didn't reply sooner, but leave me a note if there is anything specific you'd like me to take a look at. Thanks. Ramallite (talk) 16:10, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing my attention to Anti-Arabism in Iran. I think there is definitely a need for it, but in order to ensure that the section stands up and is not deleted, there need to be links to secondary literature. As Ramallite states, there need to be sound references. Certainly, the Persian Journal site (www.iranian.ws), which its repeated call to "expel the Arab enemy" along with anti-Arab extreme nationalist groups, could be mentioned. I actually think one can make a distinction between the anti-Arab policies of the current regime - Arabs as a security threat for political reasons - and the anti-Arabism of ultra-nationalists - which is far more racially and religiously oriented.--Ahwaz 08:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * As far as I understand the rules, you can quote from anything, including Richard Foltz, so long as there is a balancing opinion. It does not matter if Foltz draws controversy, so long as it is not perceived to be your opinion but citing reliable sources. There are Iranian nationalists who also argue against the persecution of non-Persian minorities, including Arabs, and believe that a unified Iran needs to respect the country's diversity. There are others who say they have no problem with Arab culture, so long as it is not promoted to the exclusion of Persian culture. I think it would be good to search them out to balance the opinion, otherwise we will be accused of being "anti-Persian" - a familiar insult in some quarters. But, yes, the Persian Journal contains anti-Arab articles and this should be used as an example in the text, as should be organisations such as Anjoman-e Padishahi, an extremist group that makes insults against Islam and calls for genocide of Arabs in Iran.


 * I cannot see any Farsi on the page you mentioned and besides I am not good at it.--Ahwaz 10:58, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look at your anti-Arabism piece later and come up with any suggestions. In the meanwhile, the Farsi link on the List of Yemenis article has been taken down by an Iranian editor who says he will look for the real Farsi version of the article at a later stage. Best regards.--Ahwaz 06:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Please take a look at your Iran page and the suggested references to ethnic cleansing of Arabs in Khuzestan.--Ahwaz 14:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

More Anti Arabism
Both links you've posted thus far for that particular killing specifically reference that authorities have not found evidence of it being a hate crime. Just because his family thinks so doesn't make it so, and neither does him getting a death threat shortly before it happened. The two could very easily be unrelated, as the guy was also a store clerk. You can't just guess at motive like that. Bibigon 04:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Uuuum, it depends...
First, I kinda wanna know why you're asking, but to answer your question- it depends on the dialect. Egyptians aren't the only ones. Gulf arabs have accents that vary wildly to the point where some people say "yeem", though this is considered non-standard. To my knowledge both geem and jeem are acceptable pronunciations in classical Arabic. Classical arabic is about proper form and grammer coupled with a lexicon not restricted to specific regions (i.e. dialects). Pronunciation is not a factor, so long as letters cannot be confused with each other. Compare this to the fact that an American can speak eminently correct English in a southern American accent, it doesn't change the quality of speech. However, if you are talking about Quranic pronunciation, things may be different. Hope that helps!Angrynight 01:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure now what you mean. There is a difference between 'classical' and 'Quranic' Arabic. While most Arabs (like me and you) consider both to be the same thing (fus'ha), there are differences between the two. Classical Arabic is based on Quranic Arabic due to the wide dissemenation of the Quran. The Quran itself, however, reflects the Quraishi dialect at the time, since the Arabic language had not been formalized in pre-Islamic Arabia. At the time of the Qur'an, Arabic existed as numerous dialects without a single "classical" form tying it all together. While Arabic may have emereged as a distinct language out of Yemen, classical arabic- also known by Western scholars of the language as Modern Standard Arabic- is based on the Quraishi dialect expressed in the Quran and hadith. So now the Yemeni dialect is in fact, just another dialect, in spite of its illustrious history. As a Muslim and someone who regularly recites the Quran, I hesitate to say that there is a definate pronunciation for Quran in case I'm wrong. Do not ask your nearest Sheikh either (they learn pronunciation by rote and probably don't know anyway), unless they are qualified enough to do tafsir (this indicates a knowledge of not just Arabic, but the history of the language)I have access to resources though and can dig up some information as far as the names of the letters are concerned. Can you please tell me what article this is concerning? Even if this is a matter of personal curiosity I'll help you, but I really want to know what this concerns specifically so I can give more relevant information. Angrynight 02:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Translation
Here is my translation of what you gave me

If I had more time, I would have polished it up:

He is Abu Abdullah Jaber Ibn Hayan Al-Koufi famous as Al-Soufi and people have different views of him, the Shiaa called him one of their leaders and one of their Ba'bs (head of the school in philosophic meaning of a religion) and they claimed that he was the follower of Ja'far Al-Sadegh (the 6th Imam of Shiaa) and he was from Al-Koufa (I think this is in what is now Iraq) and a group of philosophers claimed that he was one of them and he had written books in philosophy and logic.

Wafiyat Al-A’yan Ibn Khalkan Ja’far Al-Sadegh Abu Abdullah Ja'far Al-Sadegh Ibn Mohammed Al-Bagher Ibn Ali the best of prayers Ibn al-Housain Ibn Ali Ibn Abu Talib God bless him, he is one of 12 Imamis (Shia who believe in 12 Imams) and he was from Sadat (sons of the Prophet Mohammed) and was called The Truthful and has speech (books) in chemistry, Al-Zajar(??) and Horoscopes, and Abu Mousa Jaber Ibn Hayan was his student because of him being truthful in ... (can't translate) Al-Soufi Al-Tartousi wrote a book of 1,000 pages that gathered the Rasail(messages or books or essays) of Ja'far Al-Sadegh and they were 500.--Ahwaz 20:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikiethics
Hi,

We started a proposal Wikiethics to state the existing policies coherently and make suggestions on improving the editorial standards in Wiki. I thought you might be interested in contributing to that proposal.

Unfortunately, a pro-porn and pro-offense lobby is trying to make this proposal a failure. They unilaterally started an approval poll although almost no one including me believe that it is time for a vote, simply because the policy is not ready. It is not even written completely.

Editors who thinks that the policy needs to be improved rather than killed by an unfair poll at the beginning of the proposal, started another poll ('Do we really need a poll at this stage?') at the same time. The poll is vandalized for a while but it is stable now. A NO vote on this ('Do we really need a poll now?') poll will strengthen the position of the editors who are willing to improve the ethics policy further.

If you have concerns about the ethics and editorial standards in Wiki, please visit the page Wikiethics with your suggestions on the policy. We have two subpages: Arguments and Sections. You might want to consider reviewing these pages as well...

Thanks in advance. Resid Gulerdem 21:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Mutual aid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hurriyya_notice_board

I have set up a notice board to give collective support to those facing racism, nationalist bigotry and group intimidation while editing articles related to Middle Eastern issues. There are a growing number of people who are coming across the same problems with the same users, but are outnumbered and over-ruled. It is plain and simple bullying. They are being turned off Wikipedia because of this behaviour. I hope that we can all support each other.

The title is "Hurriyya", which means "freedom".--Ahwaz 17:49, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hurriyya_notice_board

Re: Alhazen
Hey Inahet,

It's nice to meet a fellow Californian here! I guess I reverted too much that I meant to, I was informed by some user that many believe him to be Arab, but others Persian. That's why I think just saying "Muslim" is the best neutral compromise. I'm taking a short wikibreak, so I won't really be able to get involved in that article right now, but if you ever want me to in the future, just leave a note on my talk page. Thanks! --Khoikhoi 02:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Persian Gulf
Watchlist this article and follow some of the things in the discussion page. Same with Persian Gulf naming dispute. Auca m anTalk 06:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

List of Arab scientists and scholars
You might be interested in this: List of Arab scientists and scholars.

BTW, are you of yemeni ancestory? or are you just interested in yemen?

Jidan 04:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Nothing you can do
There is nothing you can do. There are Persian chauvinists on Wikipedia who will exert their influence through sympathetic admins. There is no say this place will ever be fair or reasonable. Racist abuse is fine against Arabs, but telling a Persian nationalist to blow their nose (as I did) is regarded as "uncivilised". Don't waste your time here. There are more constructive ways you can help your community and conduct research. This place is useless.--Ahwaz 07:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, brother Ahwaz, I read Inshanee's response to your complaint and I was shocked that he threatened to block you. An admin shouldn't do that. Anyway, check your inbox.--Inahet 07:24, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I have been long enough in Wikipedia to know what you mean. BUT, no matter how large the darkness/lie is, the light/truth of a small candle will be stronger!
 * Just keep reverting. Its really that simple!! Your support is really needed.Jidan 07:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Jidan, its really their edits against. And you can't really let them succeed in distorting the facts. See what they have done to the Ajam article. You got to fight this behavior.--Inahet 07:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * If you get into any dispute with the Persian chauvinist gang over content, they will not compromise and start making allegations, the favourite being: anti-Iranian, anti-Persian, Jew, Israeli, separatist, terrorist, "want to break up Iran", and all that crap. They are free to say this without any admin interference. When I tell someone to blow their nose, there is a big furore and the admins take action. Wikipedia is a pile of rubbish and the people that run it are donkeys. The code of conduct is there for powerful gangs to impose their agendas. If five people are against two or three, it does not matter how many times you revert they will always have their point of view imposed on articles. Why spend time on this nonsense? Even the media is now showing up Wikipedia's failings. No serious academic is involved (oh, there's the "genius" Zereshk, who knows everything about nuclear engineering, quantum physics, architecture, philosophy, poetry, religion, linguistics, medicine - you name it, he is the self-appointed expert - and he still finds time to run edit wars and insult people). Ask yourself why. Because no serious academic takes it seriously. It is rubbish.--Ahwaz 11:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Culture of Yemen
At last I met someone from yemen! I have always wanted to contribute to articles related to yemen, like history, cultrue, etc. But instead I was dragged to arab-yemeni scientists like Geber(100% arab), Al-Kindi, Ibn Khaldun, or List of Arab scientists and scholars, or arab-yemeni people like Al-Khayzuran, etc. Maybe because I am myself a scientist!(or atleast trying to be one). Maybe we could create a yemen notice board? Jidan 08:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Are you really aa Muslim?
If you are go look at the articles user:Acuman has contributed to saying that Muslim clerics okay or sanction having sex with aniimals. One for example is Ayatollah Khoemini. 69.196.139.250 04:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Arab Wikipedians notice board
Hey Inahet, sounds like a nice idea to create an Arab Wikipedians notice board. I will support you on this. BTW: what does your name Inahet mean?? Mines is a distinct rare yemeni name جيدان ,which means brilliant and was a name of an ancient yemeni king, i think the father of the famous karb elwater(the uniter of yemen and builder of most of the mareb dam). See!! we urgently need some info on yemen. Anyway, I have seen from the Geber article that you dont speak or read arabic fluently. If you ever needed help let me know. Jidan 16:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: History of Yemen
Hey Tehani, (or should I say Inahet?)

Yes, your name means congratulations! Regarding this sentence: "Following the death of Khosrau II in 628, then the Persian governor in Southern Arabia, Badhan, converted to Islam and Yemen followed the new religion. (1)."

Its TOTALLY false.

Khosrau II sent a message to badhan to kill mohammed. Badhan then sent two solders to mohammed to kill him. Upon the arrival of the solders, mohammed told them to go back and that their king khosrau is dead. The solders went back to badhan to tell him what happend. When the solders arrived back to Badhan. The news that Khosrau was dead was known. Badhan didn't believe what he heard from mohammed. How could mohamed have known of Khosrau's death before it happend? Badhan belived that this guy must indeed be a prophet, and he accepted Islam.

How yemeni's entered Islam is a different story. But it was mostly politicaly. It was said for example that the powerfull tribe of Hamdan(about 15000 persons)all entered Islam in one day, upon reading the letter of mohammed. The rest followed automatically. Until today there is a common joke in yemen that says yemeni's are muslims only because of a letter!! LOL ;-).

Anyway, google is your best friend. ALso, Please have an eye on List of Arab scientists and scholars. Alot of them, specially the andlusians were of yemeni origin. Im going to make a web page for that later on. Jidan 22:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

ohhh my god how did that pronographic picture get there!! It must have been a computer virus. Jidan 00:47, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Here is one exact quote
'''I had seen some literature out there suggesting that Khomenini approved of sex with children and animals. Now someone has added some of these claims into this article. I'm not going to take them out, but the article is going to receive a dispute tag until these information are verified. AucamanTalk 04:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)'''

69.196.139.250 00:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Read Acuman's discussion page and his edits. Even read the conversation between me and him. What are your views on the Insurgency in Iraq. Have you read Acuman's article on the HUman right violations of the Arab insurgents in Iraq. He makes them look like Arab barabarians? Is that right?I personally think all the beheadings, murder of foreign reporters, mosque bombings, and terrorist activities in Iraq are committed or sanctioned by Anglo-American occupation forces or ISrael. Israel is very much so involved in North Iraq that is why there is new claims that Kurds and Jews are one and the same race by Israelis. This has resulte din an alliance between a very small minority of Iraqi Kurds and ISraelis.

Here is proof:

British Special Forces Caught Carrying Out Staged Terror In Iraq?: Media Blackout Shadows Why Black Op Soldiers Were Arrested: USA, Information Liberation []

Britain "apologizes" for terrorist act in Basra; Rescue of SAS men who were planning to place bombs in Basra City Square: Global Research.ca, Center for Research on Globalization []

The next link is photographic evidence taken by Iraqi Police, before British Military attacked police station and freed the British terrorist operatives. []

Caught red-handed: The Raw Story, North America []

Troops free SAS men from jail: The Telegraph, United Kingdom []

Iran accuses UK of bombing link: BBC, United Kingdom []

Basra council severs relations with British: Daily Star, Lebanon []

Basra Council Cutting Ties with British: China Radio International (CRI), China []

Ibn Khaldun
Could you keep an eye on this article? The section on Persians is highly biased and the quote they have there is not an exact quote (they've picked different parts of different passages and put them together). AucamanTalk 00:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

History of Yemen
These are two very good site in english:


 * http://www.al-bab.com/yemen/hist/hist.htm#Ancient
 * http://www.geocities.com/baja/dunes/3147/

Jidan 11:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

This might interest you: Women in Ancient Yemen. Maybe you could start an article on that? Jidan 11:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Im more interested in the History of Yemen and the List of Arab scientists and scholars, which includes yemeni scientists like Ibn Khaldun, Al-Hamdani, Jabir ibn Hayyan, Al-Kindi and more. BTW: kiss goodbye the myth that most muslim scientist were non-arabs! ;-) I think the article about the History of Yemen is a shame. I am a busy uni student, but I will try my best. Jidan 20:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Wait a second! Did you mean Abdulrahman bin Ismail bin al-Khodhani also known as Wadha al-yemen?

This is what I stated on user:Acuman's discussion page before
It was termed a personal attack and I have decided not to talk to user:Acuman for the mean time, but out of interest this is what I stated;


 * These are your direct quotes on the Khoeimini discussion page ;

'''I had seen some literature out there suggesting that Khomenini approved of sex with children and animals. Now someone has added some of these claims into this article. I'm not going to take them out, but the article is going to receive a dispute tag until these information are verified. AucamanTalk 04:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)'''

Here is a direct quote from you to user:Pecher; '''I've added some stuff about Khomeini's views on non-Muslims, but people might try to take them out. Could you keep an eye on that article as well? AucamanTalk 14:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)''' This is verified on user:Pecher's talk page.

What is all the interest you and Pecher have on Khoeimini and other Iranian clerics. Also your articles on Ahmadenajid all show a disturbing trend that you are trying to paint some sort of picture. It is like connect the dots.

Here are a list of articles you have worked on;


 * Human rights abuses by the Iraqi insurgency
 * Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel
 * Controversies surrounding Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
 * International reactions to the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy
 * Opinions on the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy
 * Greater Middle East
 * Turkish Kurdistan

Major contributions

These are the pages you have made major edits to (or are working on right now):
 * People of Turkey
 * Kurdish people
 * Turkish people
 * Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
 * Ayatollah Khomeini
 * Ayatollah Khamenei
 * Middle East

Wow human rights abuses in the Iraqi insurgency! Very odd and specific topic! Ahmadinejad and Israel! The Mohammed cartoons. All your edits really benefit in making Israel look good compared to the rest of the Middle East. Answer me this are you an Israeli citizen too? I think you are on an agenda. All your edits against Iranians (from Kurds to Persians,etc.) since Iran is seen as the biggest threat to Israel and all your other edits in the Arab fields. Also trying being a force in tension between Arab and Iranian and Turkish editors. All at the benefit of Israel.

69.196.139.250 03:40, 9 April 2006 (UTC)