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&mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 08:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Infobox
You guys are doing some great work on Borobudur. I agree there doesn't seem to be an existing infobox which covers this sort of page. Maybe Template:Infobox protected area is closest? If not, Template:Infobox generic is a fallback. BTW, a picture of the temple from the air, such as, would be a nice addition to the page? (Caniago 11:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC))


 * BTW have either of you seen the air image that is directly above (ie looking like a plan) ? Hey Indon you are doing such good work - someone will have to invent a new barnstar for your work! SatuSuro 13:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I might be able to find an image that is not a problem - but in a week or two unfortunately. You might also see my question about Gunung Tidar - its in Magelang SatuSuro 13:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have put on Merbabu talk page my concern - but I think over-reliancce on Soekmono is not a good idea.  But I am not helpful that way - I have to find the refs that support my arguments.  Overall - the development of the article is excellent!  please do not bother about me - saya meganggu sekali lagi. I should be looking for the alternative refs that would help.  Sorry I am a nuisance again! SatuSuro 13:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Its coming back (my memory, I'm getting terlalu tua dan lupa semua) I will try to find the arts, unfortunately it was all at hand when I was doing my honours thesis in 1992 (!) - it was half about Borobudur (!) but there has been heaps of academic material about the place since then as well. The summer here in Western Australia is getting hotter at the moment - kolam renang di sebelah rumah enak! SatuSuro 13:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The big problem is that my children were sometimes better at the language when we were living in Yogya - and they all have been exposed to BI at school - and I am beginning to lose the bits and pieces - I realise the usage of enak is incorrect - I had forgotten the correct synonym for 'feeling good' and a long time ago had developed a very deep aversion (ie dislike)  to usage that sounded like what I call bahasa anjing ( apa kabar etc in australian accent) that comes from the tourist locations in Java and Bali - like Pangeran Diponegoro said - the language of the markets (ie BI) was like the language of chooks (ayam) - but the problem is my language loss over time leaves me with about - londho, monggo and matur nuwun - not very useful for a good conversation - nggak?  SatuSuro 14:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Wah horror of horors you liked to my horrible 'sacred places of java' article - it needs _so much work_ I have access to a list of about 800 locations from my Post-Grad supervisor's pundhen project that need to go with that article, wah tidur dulu SatuSuro 14:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It is a terrible mess - malu sangat - which is why it has This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completeness. Revisions and sourced additions are welcome at the top.  Maaf, saya tidur sekarang, sampai nanti! SatuSuro 14:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

This and that
Thanks a lot for your info on the Indonesian parliament - we certainly needed that clarification. Also, sorry if I was annoying with the DYKs. But you know my intentions were good. Hmm, i must admit, i kinda liked the banner. The rest of that page is very dry. The banner gave it some character. Oh well. but glad to hear you are a U2 fan! I saw them last week in both Sydney and Melbourne ("at a place called Vertigo!") :) --Merbabu 13:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Really !! Oh my, I like that song, the name of that place. Well, actually you didn't annoy me with DYK, but just to let you know that in the next rotation round, the item will be moved to the archive. I saw one complain about that banner before at Imoeng's talk page and I kinda agree that it looks ads-like site. I just made a comment, so I can uncomment it back. By the way, 550 members of MPR is DPR, not DPD, but I can't find a citation of it. DPD is promoted as another chamber in MPR, but I don't know how many of them. Also that DPR is elected by the general election, not DPD. DPD members are selected from each DPD Tk. I, if I am not mistaken. However I need sources for that. Wow, too much things in one paragraph (I like the title of this thread). :-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 13:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Citation in Indonesia
Hi - i can't fix one of the refs. Has an error message. No. 64, from the Economist. What am I doing wrong? hope you can help. --Merbabu 02:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * One thing that we can do with the notes is to expand points in the main text. I think this could be useful in certain circumstances. Where citations link to subscription based articles, then I suggest we really should actually write the important point into the notes. For example “Mr Brown says blah, blah blah – sampai beberapa kalimat”. Merbabu 00:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK - what I meant was that the notes section does not have to limited to solely listing citations. BUT, it can also be used, where appropriate, to expand on a point made in the article that is probably too detailed for the main article itself. but even better is to maybe actually put the full quotes of people who are cited in an article to give more context. An example would be best to clarify but I can't find one right now. But, books with references often do it. And, if we link to an article that needs payment to read it, maybe we should actually quote the important bits in the text. There are a few citations in the notes that link to a locked article.
 * by the way - I have been changing "%" to "per cent" in Indonesia. But maybe I realise this isn't the best. eg, Australia uses %. hmmm. any thoughts? --Merbabu 10:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Re reformating the reference section to put in Further Reading, i agree in principle, but in practice how are we going to know which ones were actually used in creating the article? Well, since I probably put about 1/2 in, maybe I can do it. Gimana? oh come on - per cent looks much better! lol. (especially in the eonomics section) Well, I am happy to go with a consensus or a policy but there is nothing in the WP:MOS. I can change it back if that is consensus. I think per cent just looks, "cleaner". So, you want me to create "further reading"? --Merbabu 10:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, hang on. Although lots of those books didn't go into creating the article, a lot of what we wrote can be confirmed in these books. I think it is a shame to split them. especially since there is nice subject headings :-). maksud saya, all of the reference can also be further reading, and much of the further reading, supports the article. Seems a shame to split - and I don't think tangential citations or footnotes depends on such a split. Any reason you want to split them? --Merbabu 10:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * can i try the "split" in the sandbox - then i can show you? by the way, can you do page moves? I want to move Indonesian_National_Revolution to Indonesian War of Independence but can't cos page (redirect) already created. I think this is consensus for the move --Merbabu 10:50, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ha ha, I am so confused. Tell you what: You put XXX, BBB, DET, DUM, and ZZZ citation wherever you want, and I will give you my opinion. ;-). Seriously though, i think i know what you mean. Just try it. --Merbabu 10:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for upgrading to better quality references. Don't worry, it is an important job and will be noticed. Some of the existing references are a bit dodgy. By the way, what happened to your XXX and YYY. Also, i replied to each point in the automated peer review. except the last one - that needs a lot of work. --Merbabu 13:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC) lol - just today, i thought Hatta could maybe be the next bio. is it out of date already? OK, i will check. --Merbabu 14:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Caliber journals
Re the list of articles you posted, how do you actually access the articles? Does one have to pay??? --Merbabu 07:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * A subscription? nice. Maybe I can "order" aticles from you. I often find things in Google Scholar but can never access them. :-( --Merbabu 08:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, i put Indonesia up for peer review. Then I'll put it up for GA and FA! --Merbabu 08:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

re PR for Indonesia, what I am afraid of is lots of people saying "I want to know more about corruption, terrorism, australians in Bali on drugs charges, and about Indonesia brutality in East Timor" - just wait. it will happen. lol. TO be honest, i think you are correct about PR, but we will get more comments at GA. What do you think of the article now? --Merbabu 08:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * thanks for the articles. I will read them this week some time. Perhaps I might take a break from Indonesia on wikipedia for a few days. I might try and do some Sydney skyscrapers. But then again, i will probably feel completely different tomorrow and be back at it. I am not like Imoeng! lol - what a shame he left. --Merbabu 09:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Aceh News
Hmm, I was hoping you weren't going to ask me that - last time I tried to create a new date entry in the Current Events in Southeast Asia page, I ended up making a horrible mess! However, it needs doing, so I'll attempt it later today, and if it goes well I'll also add the other recent news articles which should have been added. --Bwmodular 11:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Next ones (collabs)
I suggested to Merbabu - Sudirman and Central Java - what do you think? SatuSuro 15:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey dosnt matter whether they get up - to me they are worth some work on - if anybody agrees, fine.. tak apa apa... Hey there's a hint on Imoeng's user page that he _might _be back! SatuSuro 11:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Weh Island
Weh Island has passed GA. Baristarim 21:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations Indon - v. good work there, a very interesting article now.--Bwmodular 09:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

re making this the collab - of course you can nominate it. I don't decide it. (although i try and "prod" - lol). I may support another article, but I am only 1 person. --Merbabu 12:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on the GA SatuSuro 13:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well done Indon, you are setting a great example. (Caniago 14:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC))
 * Interesting your wife is from Bukittingi. You can ask her "Ba a kaba, Uni?" from me. Its a really beautiful area. I may return early next year to stay in my wife's newly renovated rumah gadang. I just found out the other day the mother of a friend I attended school with was born in Bukittinggi, which was a total surprise. Which region of Indonesia are you from? (Caniago 10:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC))

Selamat makan! di Indonesia
Um, that's from a warung in Malioboro. A couple of years ago. near Mirota batik. oops - i had better reference that food section. --Merbabu 13:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey I never did hear from Merbabu about what he thought of that article! SatuSuro 13:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, ya, you created it. Why don't you put it on the WP:INA project? Gosh, burung dara goreng, nyam..nyam. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 13:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ha ha, i have photo of burung dara goreng too - shall i put that instead. he he. Seriously, I put a full description of the food. But, maybe a bit over indulgent for this "brief" article. Or is it a nice touch in an otherwise formal article? --Merbabu 12:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I am a bit reluctant to put a food picture in that article for Culture section. What's next to represent an Indonesian culture as a whole for foreigners, beside Wayang? Damned, we have small repository for Indonesian culture images at Commons. I'll try to update that later. I think in the meantime we can leave it like that, until we can find a better one. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm - a few things. Culture is not just art forms like wayang but also the way of life. Food is thus very important for way of life. Architecture is important as both an art form and way of life. Wayang is more artform, right? Also, remember that wikipedia is not just aimed at foreigners but trying to present a snapshot of Indonesia not from anyone's point of view. Ie, the article should not simply reinforce the foreigners view of Indonesian culture (ie, gamelan, wayang, batik - even though they are important), but to represent Indonesia as it is. As for the picture, well, i liked it because it showed a broad variety of foods. But see if you can find a better one.--Merbabu 13:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ... but as always, I talked first then I'll agree with you later, lol. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 13:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * After I read the caption, I agree with you. The description is very tempting. Keep the picture. BTW, the article has reached the milestone of 100 citations!! :-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 15:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I keep forgetting - I have stubs I need to do that too.... - I really liked the food at mamas on the street to the right (photo in malioboro article) - just next to the railway yard - but that was in the 80's and 90's dont know if its still there... SatuSuro 13:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry for butting in, but you've piqued my interest - which article (& photo) are you talking about? Oh, how I long for some proper Indonesian food - not too easy to find in Oxford. :( --Bwmodular 15:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I think I see it - the picture on the main Indonesia page. Looks enak sekali! --Bwmodular 15:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's okay, come on join in! Makan-makan di sini (virtually of course) :-)). Oxford? You can only find chicken masala(h) there, lol. I'm here across your small island to the land of the former colony, where a lot of Indonesian food are available, but nothing here can beat the real one like this: Commons:Category:Food from Indonesia. Gee, I didn't know there is bandeng bakar there and it looks delicious. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 16:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Now my mouth is really watering! lol --Bwmodular 17:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Kenyang?
hmmm - i keep adding bits to the Indonesia article. But i think they are important. But i also trim some things too so maybe it is OK. But soon, it might be too big! What do you think? Maybe I need to do some comparisons again with some FA articles.--Merbabu 13:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, let's compare it again later. I still have to finish to browse through almost 100!! citations. There's no over-cited criterion, isn't it? :-) Re kenyang, masih laper nih: Commons:Category:Food from Indonesia &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 13:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, i don't think there is a numerical limit to the number of cites. As long as they are relevant, and needed - and of course, a good quality. ada makanan indonesia enak di sana? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Merbabu (talk • contribs) 13:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

References in Borobudur
I noticed that you seperated Notes and References again. Why? I thought it was a good idea. Wasn't it your idea? --Merbabu 12:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ooops, yup, my idea. :"> Let me see first which one is better. Some articles use separation, per WP:CITE. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Now, what do you think? Which one is better? Separated or combined? &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought this was good: ==References== ===General references=== blah blah blah ===Notes=== n. blah blah blah --Merbabu 12:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you guys help with reducing typesize in further refs? SatuSuro 13:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Pictures of Candis
Thanks for that - as they say a picture is worth a thousand words! SatuSuro 22:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Help!
The article Pride (In the Name of Love) as a number of quotes in it. After some recent edits, the two quotes at the start of the History section have been pushed right down, but I can't fix it. What's wrong? --Merbabu 23:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm.... tell me first what do you want with that quotes. I tried to re-arrange, but I don't know what kind of layout you want. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 09:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, seems like i fixed it before you got the message. Although, how do i align the first two quotes to the left?? --Merbabu 11:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Changes to Indonesia
I think it is pretty good. I have some suggestions though. Overall, very good. I think you should put it in. If you don't mind, i will edit a bit of grammar - first. i will tell you when i am done.--Merbabu 11:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I notice you pushed the president paragraph down a bit. What was your thinking there? Perhaps this is good
 * You start off with a bit of recent history (downfall Suharto, constional amendments). That is not how I would have written it, but perhaps it is important for Indonesia where the new democracy is still new.
 * 2nd pargraph re MPR - yes, much better. The only suggestion is to mention that they don't meet that often (correct?), compared to say the DPR.
 * you dropped ASEAN and Islamic conference - probably a good thing.
 * But what about the military? Most country articles have a few words
 * UPDATE: sorry, what does this mean: including a monopoly of the production of statutes without executive branch interventions, all members are now elected and some fundamental rights exclusive for DPR.?--Merbabu 11:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, i am done with copy edit. What about the question above re DPR, also military? Actually, i like the changes a lot. --Merbabu 11:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, sorry Merbabu, I sent you something not in a good time. I have to go for about 1-2 hours in hurry, so I cannot answer your comment. However, you are free to copyedit it. Also, I am going to send you an email of the source that I've just got, an article from an Indonesian PhD student at Melbourne. It's about the contents that you asked above. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 11:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah - just put it into the article as is. My only question was really about the "monopoly" bit. we can maybe make it clearer later. --Merbabu 14:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Lead
I did some copyediting of the lead. But, the last sentence with East Timor is not good. Either, we re-write it to include East Timor better, or we East TImor from the lead (is it that important now in the lead? it is in history). Sectarian tensions, however, have threatened political stability in some regions, leading to violent confrontations and the secession of East Timor.--Merbabu 05:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I like it now, it's better and more concise. I think we should not mention East Timor as a special case at the end of the lead. It's just one of many historical events. I prefer: Sectarian tensions, however, have threatened political stability in some regions. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 09:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

GAC
I just put Indonesia up for GAC. . What more can we do? I am scared though - i think it will attract a lot of editing attention and get way too long again. I compared it to a number of FA countries and Indonesia is longer except Canada. --Merbabu 11:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong to prevent the article to get GA. :-) Yeah, it's very long, but as long as it does not contain unnecessary information, then I think it's all right. Hey, I saw you've just created Tongkonan article. It's a nice one. We can bring it into a small GA article. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 12:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I just nominated myself for 1 FA per quarter. Indonesia. What do you think? Possible? If not, do you have any other suggestions? I thought maybe an Indonesian history or architecture article.--Merbabu 15:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, it is very possible. 1FA per quarter is only a list of individuals focusing on some articles. I'm sure next year, we can make the article into FA one. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 16:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Portal
Done. I just summarised Majapahit, and repeated Hatta. --Merbabu 10:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

We seem to have lost the POTW. ;-) Merbabu 07:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Sunday Bloody Sunday (song): now a FAC
SOmeone put this up for FAC but i started copy editing. have a look if you have time. --Merbabu 14:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What's your opinion on this article? Even though i worked a lot on it, I don't think it is FA. Maybe GA though. It's not "the very best" wikipedia has to offer.--Merbabu 04:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to "vote" against this being FA. It's just not up there. Does it really represent the "best of wikipedia". That 1,000 articles from 1.5m??? I don't think so. You? Merbabu 02:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Reference section
Hi Indon, I noticed a recent comment from you at the German FAC discussion page. I am still a little confused about the policies on WP:CITE, and as you seem to know it better I hoped that you might clarify something. So does a source need to be referenced inside the text to be mentioned in that section. On one side the "reference" section of the policy page says that the section should only include the sources of the "Notes" section in alphabetical order. But later the text makes it seem as though all sources used to verify info in the article, even if they are not listed in the Notes section should be added. In the Germany article, I went through different subarticles, such as German Empire and added the references from that page as well as some others as I believed that they were used to conduct research on the topics summarized in the main article. I am still not sure if that was the right thing to do (recent comments seem to suggest otherwise), but on a more technical note, that page doesn't use inline citations either and all sources are just listed in the "reference section." Also, the Canada article for instance also has sources that appears in the "references" section but not the "notes" section, and that's a FA. So my question is, could sources be added to the "reference" section if they have been used to conduct research if they aren't directly cited within the text? Thanks, TSO1D 23:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you very much for taking the time to explain the matter to me. TSO1D 17:24, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

List of volcanoes
Best of luck with the FL - I think its excellent - and no worry about red-links - lets wait and see. SatuSuro 10:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * i have my suspicion some might ask for some non web sources - but I think I might have some 'further reading titles' if you need them! most are old... SatuSuro 10:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough - if thats the case - hope it all goes well! SatuSuro 10:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh well it wasnt the sources it was the red links...SatuSuro 06:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Weh Island
Sorry, your post was lost amongst some other messages :) no problems for the review, it was my pleasure. Now I know something more about Indonesia! As for the image, it's not a problem. As I said, it might be hard to get a hold of, so it's cool. Cheers! Baristarim 20:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Volcano names in English
I am finding this 'mount' thing a bit of a problem - surely there is reasonable point in having the qualifying statement in the first sentence of an article also known in Indonesian as Gunung Gede ? There are many good reasons for this, if need be I'll explain - but what do you think? SatuSuro 09:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Your point is very valid - I am thinking of foreign tourist guide books- that never translated 'gunung' in their guides ever - so there were whole generations of travellers who only ever knew of Gunung Merapi as that - they would never use the word 'mount'. I do not think there ever was the doubling of 'Mount Gunung' as I think their knowledge of the local vocabulary was sufficient that they knew the meaning of the word gunung.  Anyways you are doing a great job - and I do not want oto complicate it - but I think that where possible if there is a chance to have the word Gunung in the article - it would help.   SatuSuro 09:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * heheh, volcanologists that I have met (2x only) wouldnt bother with the english. but i understand. At some time long in the future - I might do some redirects or some disambigs - but Not before 2007!  And if I dont talk with you before - selamat christmas season- may it be a safe and happy one for you - sorry I didnt wish you greetings in the important events in the islamic calendar - maaf! (btw rigadoun and self got the Javanese calendar up and running!  SatuSuro 09:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I know you've spent quite a bit of time on the Smithsonian GVP website. Related to the name issue, in the volcanological community, the name used by the GVP is considered the "official" name in English. Nothing is ever perfect though, and names do get changed for various reasons. GVP consults with local scientists or uses published sources to determine the best single name, then lists synonyms and subfeature names separately (see menu link from each volcano page). As you probably noticed, Gunung is avoided, just like Mount or similar descriptors are avoided (with some odd exceptions) for the primary name; they are often used with subfeature names though. I'll check on Kawah being used as part of the primary name in a couple of cases. There is likely some history behind that usage. GVP Webmaster 02:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

External Links in Architecture of Indonesia
Indon, thank you for your comment. I agree that some of the links I put there are better be used as sources. Pardon my first posting. -- Bulao 15:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Indonesia Etymology
Re: "The first Indonesian to use the name is believed to have been Suwardi Suryaningrat (Ki Hajar Dewantara) when he established a press bureau with the name "Indonesisch Pers-bureau" in the Netherlands.". Have you come across the date that this occurred? Would be something interesting to add if a reference can be found (Caniago 00:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC))


 * Indon, happy Christmas season and have a great new year! I hope to join you in create more GA and FA articles in 2007. BTW, I'd swap the Sydney fireworks for a white Christmas any day :-) (Caniago 13:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC))
 * Yes, Happy Christmas Indon (do you celebrate Christmas?!?) and thanks for your Chrissy wishes. And to Mr Sydney Minangkabau! As for white Christmas, I'd swap a balmy Sydney christmas only once for a white Christmas just for the experience, then I'd like my beach/BBQ/mango christmas back thanks!!! Although, I've seen the fireworks so many times now, i can't be bothered dealing with the million-strong crowds this year. Merbabu 13:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

WP Indonesia - unassessed
You can blame a lot of that on me - I have been tagging some very weird arts - my project next week or so is to assess - or at least my new year resolution - I promise! SatuSuro 13:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Lucu sekali - saya harus memeriksa online javanese calendar - mungkin besok... ! SatuSuro 14:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Talk:Mount Tambora (diff; hist) . . SmthManly (Talk | contribs) (This article will appear on the main page as "Today's Featured Article" on December 26, 2006.) - well done - good to see! SatuSuro 15:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Global Volcanism Program
Hey Indon. Nice work using the GVP to add some good information on volcanoes. However, please note that GVP is part of the Smithsonian Institution, not Institute. Thanks. GVP Webmaster 01:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for help
I noticed that you were instrumental in bringing a recent article to FA status. I have been trying to get the Ohio Wesleyan University article to FA status. One of the critical areas for the article that remains an issue is copyediting and prose. I was wondering if you might be willing to help me in this area? I'd greatly appreciate it! Thank you. WikiprojectOWU 22:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Indonesia collaboration
Hi there. This fortnight's Indonesia Collaboration is > > > Indonesian language < < <. Please contribute! Please nominate for the next collab here. What about choosing one the shorter Indonesia stubs this time? kind regards Merbabu 15:24, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Mount Tambora on front page of wikipedia
Woohoo... the article is finally up. Imoeng would be so happy :-) I've captured a screen shot of it in case you miss it. Congratulations! (Caniago 02:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC))
 * Yes, that is great. I am sure you are feeling mighty please with yourself. I have been watching the edits. What do you make of this one . Is it meant to mean simply ash falling or ash falling with rain? Merbabu 03:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I saw it, thanks for taking a snapshot. Gosh! getting an article into the main page is like putting a bait for a wild cat. There are a lot of edits since then. Thanks for watching it, Merbabu. And I think it means ash falls when I wrote ash rains. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 07:16, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Indonesian War of Independence
Yes, a bit slow on the collab. I think I will make this one my baby like your Borobudur and Tambora. Needs re-write. So maybe I will ask you for JSTOR resources :-). And, firstly, the more I read about it, the more I thik maybe we made a mistake calling it the 'War" - maybe Revolution was better. But, that can wait. Merbabu 21:15, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, we can improve it. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 22:45, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Updates 29 December
Re today's updates - thanks for the compliments, but my work has only just begun - maybe just 10%. I need heaps more sources. I bought a top condition copy of Ricklefs for only AUD$10 in a 2nd hand book store. I think Amazon had it for over US$50!! My wife works in Macquarie University Library so she will borrow books i request, but since she is not familar with the academic databases, i will still depend on you sometimes!! :-) T'd like to get it up to FA status.

Re the quotation, i will put some more in. I love the boxes because it allows us to add "colour" to the articles that if in the main body of text could be "unencyclopedic" or POV.

As for "the Dutch" or "the Netherlands govt" i too am confused about the proper term. Generally though, I have just gone with what my sources say including Ricklefs.

Merbabu 11:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Just doing some WPI tags on some volcanoes that have single names - no gunung or mount - do you want to change them to 'Mount....' - or shall I ??SatuSuro 23:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I just have to go out in ten minutes - maybe not a good idea to start... Maaf sekali lagi - I'll leave them. SatuSuro 23:17, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Will be back on later = nanti - and wonder if you could please look at Mount Kawi - do you think that format/style is acceptable? I will not do any more unless I have your feedback first, I respect your judgement!  SatuSuro 09:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * OK so I saw your edit there - I assume that is your answer, thanks SatuSuro 13:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey thank you for your hard work everywhere, its very impressive! SatuSuro 13:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Indon, guess who is this, hehehe. I am in Indonesia right now, and I'll be back on 2nd of January. I didn't manage to see the article on the main page, although I am hoping someone screenshotted it, hehe. Looks like the project is going fine, that is great. Talk to you later! Cheers - 14:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC). Oh, in 3 days, I will win Noob of the Month on Uncyclopedia!! HAHAHA. Bye again - 61.5.8.93 14:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh man! Please come back. That place is wicked!! You are bewitched now. Come one, the project really needs you. Let's get more GAs, FAs, FLs, FPs here. It's more fun than Uncyclopedia. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 14:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, Imoeng. Did you go to Jalan Thamrin yet? Get that photo of the old Bank Indonesia building? Now we need you to get a pic of the DPR building too. ha ha. Merbabu 13:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Damned it! I wasn't fast enough. Yes, Imoeng (or shall I call you Gneomi? :-), please and please take the picture of that building. For the sake of our country... hahaha. Cheeeeers!! &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 13:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Kompas article
Hey thank you for your kind words :-) OK let's make better articles on en:! But I think now I want to spend more time on jv:. It needs atention too :-D BTW where do you live? Australia? Meursault2004 19:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Heroic? Hahah that's a new epithet for me. I'll consider that as a compliment although we all know that we just do it for fun ;-) Thanks or cheers even :-) There are some 390 registered users on jv:. But many of these registered users are non Javanese speakers and sockpuppets. However jv: must have more readers as we got many compliments and criticisms from unregistered users. Although I am a native speaker of Javanese, I find it easier to write in Indonesian. BTW I think you live in UK, 'cause only English or at least non-Americans use the word 'cheers'. Am I right? Meursault2004 19:33, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I was just looking at List of volcanoes in Indonesia. Wow that is impressive man. Perhaps I will translate it in Javanese :-) About jv:, Satusuro has already joined us. He is regitered as Vcxlor though. Too bad I am not able to trace your location. But you must be a vulcanologist or geologist. Well congratulation, Mount Tambora is a featured article! BTW, the correct Dutch sentence ought to be Nee, dat is niet het goede antwoord. Sorry membetulkan :-) Meursault2004 20:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Enter the Wu-Tang
Hello Indon. After consulting User:Tutmosis, I was wondering if you could copyedit an article for me. I want you to help me bring Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) to featured status. Apparently you are talented at copyediting (at least according to Tutmosis), and I hope that you can benefit the aforementioned article. Thanks.Noahdabomb3 19:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Well thats good enough--I need all the help I can get and I am pleased that you are willing to assist me on this article.Noahdabomb3 19:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Titanium
Additional work since your vote - can you revisit? Featured article review/Titanium Regards, Sandy (Talk) 01:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Presidential and VP templates.
Hi Indon. Can you provide comment here on templates that have been put into the Indoensia presidential and VP biographies  - if you can. Please read my comments. While I think the new templates are good (complete and they look much nicer compared to the other) we can't have two templates and compared to the existing, the new ones lose the chronological order and do not show the president at the time.Merbabu 02:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

WPI tagging
Hi, have been trying to seek out untagged articles, and remembered in other projects (WP Australia for instance) - category pages are tagged as well - but with class=NA - what do you think? Should I ask someone else instead? SatuSuro 15:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine I can understand your point - the class=NA - makes sure that they are not listed in the assessment lists. In the articles that I have been checking over the last week - the majority are stubs and poor quality - I would say they will not be easy to get even to start - many of them anyway. SatuSuro 15:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Woo hoo!
. But there is still so much further to go. And omo sebua actually only refers to the chiefs house. Well, that is the internet for you! Merbabu 15:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

List of
Hi Indon - its very late here in western australia - and I noticed you have asked some of the great copyeditors for help. Bluntly (mungkin saya kurang sopan) whoever has questioned the prose - I spotted about two or three small bits for correction - is being gila atau nakal - there is little to correct! I would say someone is being unnecessarily and pointlessly pedantic - the list is in good shape - and I have seen many in much poorer shape! SatuSuro 17:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Menurut pendapat saya artikel tentang Banda arc penting sekali untuk make sense of the banda sea and its subduction zone - when I lived in Darwin in the early 1990's - the banda sea eruptions/earthquakes were very regular - almost every month or so! -http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/~kwalsh/Gill%20Hamsons%20lit%20survey.pdf - looks like a good start - If I dont see a stub from you soon - I will try - I have not been a geologist at all - but I have spent many hours in geology libraries (?)  yes the time is crazy here - I'm off soon :) SatuSuro 17:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Mohon maaf - saya tak mau link to portal controversial contentious issues/pov arts - saya membuat links to WPI on talk pages saja - saya terlalu lama di dalam wiki untuk membuat goro goro di dalam talk page saya (wah campur cukup?) SatuSuro 17:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Kembali - kalau mau lebih banyak informations tentang banda arc - saya ada direct route into some academic libraries di west oz-tralia. Tentang dare saya tak mau - terlalu sulit untuk ada keterangan disini  :( - sampai nanti SatuSuro 17:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Re: - Image:Sumatra Volcanoes.png - wah very impressed! well done - excellent! SatuSuro 17:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Kalau saya tak bisa bercakap sebelum - Happy New Year! may it be a safe and prosperous  year for you! SatuSuro 18:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

List of volcanoes in Indonesia
Hi Indon, I won't be able to do anything until early January (3rd onwards) but will make the time after that. Cheers, Ben --Bwmodular 17:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, let's talk
Sorry for avoiding a discussion with you. I would argue that more information is provided in my templates than on the category pages because the template gives the order in which the Presidents & VPs served. I would also say that it's more convenient than the category and the List article because it doesn't require additional clicking from the reader. Is it absolutely essential? No, but it doesn't hurt things either. And as I'm sure you saw on the 3O page, the fact is that succession box + template is standard for such articles. Not to repeat myself endlessly, but if so many other countries have it, why not Indonesia? Biruitorul 00:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, happpy new year to you too
Sydney fireworks? Meh! too many times before :D. he he. Merbabu 07:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)