User talk:Indopug/Archive 4

Featured article candidates/Baby Boy (song)
I added content on the "Background and writing" section. --Efe (talk) 10:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Arrrgh! =D --Efe (talk) 02:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Blondie discography
Re. the deletion of images on these pages, we obviously have very different views on what can be considered fair use in articles of this category and since I'm not the least bit interested in starting some edit war and resort to threats etc. over a silly thing like this - so before you delete the rest with the same sort of explanations, why don't we consult an editor, ask his opinion on the matter and come to some constructive solution instead?

Thanks for your time,

Dreamer.se (talk) 13:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)Dreamer.se


 * Again, we obviously have very interpretations of what those fair use rules really entail, like most users on Wikipedia - all of those pictures are there for a reason - and since that is the case I see no other option than asking an editor for assistance. Until then; can you leave what is there until the editor has a chance to review your edits and explanations as well as mine and make up his own opinion on the matter?


 * Thanks in advance,


 * Dreamer.se (talk) 14:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)dreamer.se


 * Re. images, as much as I appreciate the gesture I'd rather take that discussion with the assistance of user Ericorbit and an editor. But if you really do want to make a contribution to the Blondie discography, to really bring something to it - why not expand the bios with more information about the different releases, formats, the songs, composers, chart info, inspiration for lyrics, quotes from biographies etc. etc.? Any help there would be greatly appreciated.


 * Thanks again,


 * PS. Note: release dates for UK/US 7"/12" singles differ from case to case, sometimes with up to three months or more.


 * Dreamer.se (talk) 07:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)dreamer.se


 * Naaah, not an ogre, I agreed with some of your points and I'm glad to see you guys working to collaborate on these case-by-case, I think that's the best thing. I'll also take a closer look if you guys want me to.  Perhaps we can take into account the success of each single in particular markets to determine whether specific covers should be included.  Like I mentioned on dreamer's page "In the Flesh" should probably have the Australian cover there - songs like "Atomic" have weird histories too, huge in the UK but not-so-huge in the U.S..... however a remix of the song topped the U.S. dance chart years later in 1995, so maybe that could stand as an example where a re-issue cover could be displayed.  Also just FYI, I understand your desire to split "The Tide Is High" but cover versions are normally included within the same article and as these are about the song, any covers are part of the song's history, especially if they're notable (and Blondie themselves covered it, so there ya go).  Anyhoo, hit me up for any input! - eo (talk) 11:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

mj
I left a response at the MJ FA. Cheers. Realist2 (talk) 17:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I resolved that citation, someone made a simple era, i should have picked up on it but i was very tired, sorry. As far as i can see all sources are now reliable and well formatted. Ive resolved everyones issues, one editer left a resolved sign but noted that more pictures would be nice, i got two more from wiki commons to keep him happy. The only other issue then was the amount of money Jackson has given to charity. Original it said Three hundred million, i have a source for it but the user has concerns about its reliability as its a foreign newspaper. Unfortunately we cant use youtube to source it because i could have just given a link to him receiving the award. never mind. So in the end i kept the foreign source and used my book. The book i have only says several hundred, understandable its hard to know exactly how much a person raises/gives to charity. Im prepared to put the 2 sources together and stick with several hundred for the sake of peace. Its a shame we cant use 300 million when its right their on youtube but never mind. Realist2 (talk) 19:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

How could i source it without a link? It was at the 2006 worlss music awards, who would the publisher be? The TV channel it aired on? Realist2 (talk) 14:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

here is a link to the award show, i think we should be alowed to use it as a fair use rational or something. Realist2 (talk) 15:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

OK ill look into it, for now i have a reliable source that says several hundred so im ok sticking with that for the mean time. Could you give yuour thoughts on the michael jackson article. Ive resolved everyones issues, i need some more feedback or for people to start endorsing FA. No1 is speaking about it anymore and im waiting patiently. I would like your thoughts very much. Realist2 (talk) 15:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Additionally if you dont want to get involved in the MJ FA i can also inform you that Thriller is back on Peer review. Cheers. Realist2 (talk) 16:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

OK i will, would that be interms of replacing old sources with that source or physically adding more content to the article using that as a source. Realist 2 ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 21:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I will do, you might want to add something to the peer review just so that we pretend its used properly, lol. No1 has added anything. Realist 2 ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 03:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Additionally the mj article seems to have reached a stail mate, ive resolved all issues and its had 2 further copy edits. What happens if everything is done, and no-one says oppose? Realist 2 ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 03:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK just for you though ;-), i actually hate indents i really do, i would much rather people write in bullet points actually. Wait till i become the lord of wikipedia, there will be some changes around here. I never thought 5 days was short, i thought that was really long, im a little more relaxed now, im concerned because no1 is saying anything negative yet people wont endorse FA. I hope people arent afraid to endorse because its a controversial subject. What you think of my new name formatt?? Realist 2  ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 04:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, look a second indent, you must be lucky :-), your more wise than i thought, just an hour after you reassured me about the FA review, it got its first support. Lol so so wise. Additionally ive used that source you suggested. It wasnt terribly helpful, 1/3 of it was about the music video "Thriller" which already has its own page on wiki, the other 2/3 was the same (but more indepth) interview that can be found on the 2001 reissue of the album. Its the exact same interview as ive already used in the article with a few extra bits. None the less i manages to expand the article by just over 1000 bytes. Take a look, see if ive made any mistakes (lol i usually do). Realist 2  ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 07:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi again, would you like to add any further thoughts to the MJ FA review, its improved further since your last look. I appreciate your advise and ideas. Cheers. Realist 2  ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 05:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

S Club update
Hi there, I've been working quite hard on the S Club article over the last couple of days, trying to address your comments on the FAC nomination. I was wondering whether you'd take a look at the Hollywood 7 and Viva S Club sections and let me know if this is the direction you wanted to see the article move in. I've tried much harder to tell a story, and although I'm working backwards from the split to the formation, I think I've made a pretty good go. Obviously this isn't a peer review or another FAC nomination, so there are still some things I need to do (like sort out the discography section, etc.) but it'd be great if you could just take a quick peek and let me know if things are going okay... There's a bit I need to add to the end of the Hollywood 7 section which explains the cut off with the "You" bit.. but I have to go now so thought I'd message you so you'll have replied by the time I get back. Sorry that this message has been incredibly disjointed and probably doesn't read very well... - ǀ Mikay ǀ  13:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Richard Dawkins FA nom
Hey indoplug, please take a look when you have a spare moment at Featured article candidates/Richard Dawkins to see if your issues have been addressed on this FA nomination. Cheers, AC+79 3888 [ talk ] 17:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Indopug. AC and I have worked hard on the article. Your help will be appreciated. If you find any errors in the article, please correct them. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 02:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Indopug. How is the following section section is superficial?

Dawkins has delivered a number of inaugural and other notable lectures, including the Henry Sidgwick Memorial Lecture (1989), first Erasmus Darwin Memorial Lecture (1990), Michael Faraday Lecture (1991), T.H. Huxley Memorial Lecture (1992), Irvine Memorial Lecture (1997), Sheldon Doyle Lecture (1999), Tinbergen Lecture (2004), and Tanner Lectures (2003).

He has delivered these lectures! I don't think it is a superficial section. A table for Dawkins' books is necessary. I don't think we need List of works by Richard Dawkins. We can cover it in the article.

You have raised some interesting points. Indopug, the article suffered for long due to vandals and POV pushers. Because of that, the article just couldn't improve. Now, we are making an effort to improve the article. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 04:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for you reply. Yes, that's an interesting point. I think we should discuss about it in the talk page. I am stressed out! Take care! Masterpiece2000 (talk) 04:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind note. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 04:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Richard Dawkins FA
Hello Indopug. How are you? Can you please reconsider your opposition to the FA nomination of Richard Dawkins? We have to fix few things, but the article is very strong. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 04:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Strapping Young Lad
Hi! It seems that the Strapping Young Lad article still has some issues.. Could you help me improve the article's grammar? And probably its lead too. I'm kinda stuck here, as English is not my first language, I can't really make the grammar better. Gocsa (talk) 09:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikitable
Noticed your formatting on Cillian Murphy, Preity Zinta. Wikitable is not the standard use for filmographies. The previous one is. Almost alll the filmographies use that format. Shahid •  Talk 2 me  13:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

FF discog
I saw it, and it wasn't vandalism. Thanks for the vigilance. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 17:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Jar of Flies
I was thinking of starting up Jar of Flies. You? Burningclean [speak]

Template:album
First, I see no discussion at Template talk:Album or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums about removing the importance parameter. Second, the project template specifically mentions importance as a field, along with its assessment scale. Third, the importance category itself was created in August 2006 so someone was thinking about it more than two months ago. Fourth, there are thousands of article that have been tagged with the importance field (along with the ones already there, there is still the old categories that slowly are moving over). If you want it eliminated, discuss it with the 200 or so members of the project rather than asking for a unilateral decision that changes over 60k articles. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Pink Floyd discography
Go on chart then find the archive then search on Pink Floyd This is where i got the chart listings from the 60s, 70s and 80s--Freedom (song) (talk) 07:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

R.E.M. disco
I have Canadian chart placings to add. Can you make a spot for them in the tables? WesleyDodds (talk) 05:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Both albums and singles. No info about formats. WesleyDodds (talk) 06:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Beyonce edits and pics
I asked helped from them but it seems they're adding more stuffs to clean-up (while fixing grammars). I will do some clean-up there. For the pics, I was even wondering why Orane was prefering with that image which is obviously not focus. Anyway, whatever our preferences are, I will post prospect images in the talk page and have a formal discussion there to avoid edit wars (readers can easily comprehend that there is an ongoing war because of reverting/changing images and its not good). See yah on the talk page. --Efe (talk) 02:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Image help
Hi there, after you removed the main image from the S Club article, I was wondering whether you could help me choose an appropriate picture to replace it. If you cannot, it'd be appriciated if you could guide me to an appropriate article outlining legal photograph licenses I could use to locate a photo. Thank you very much. - ǀ Mikay ǀ  15:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Richard Dawkins
Hello Indopug. Thank you for your constructive suggestions. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 04:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music Newsletter
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Song redirects
I don't know about that song; best to ask a few more people if you are unsure. Are you still having trouble viewing entertainment websites? I'm trying to figure out how to work in, if at all, material from this Entertainment Weekly article into Superunknown. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Touch Me I'm Sick" looks pretty good; I did some tweaking and I don't see any problems left. Go ahead and nominated it at FAC, and mention it on the WP:ALM talk page as well. WesleyDodds (talk) 00:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

That image was in the Britpop article before, but it was removed because the licensing was all screwy. I'd prefer that image in the article over the NME Blur vs. Oasis cover, if I had to choose. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Aside: I really hate it when people make up genres. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I love studying genres (hence my work on every rock genre FAR), so it annoys me when I read a page like synth rock which is crafted by people who not only don't grasp Wiki verifiability and notability guidelines, but obviously don't know what the hell they are talking about. WesleyDodds (talk) 21:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they do actually. WesleyDodds (talk) 01:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Blondie
......you are aware of the fact that I'm the same guy who reverted your edits when you "cleaned-up" the Blondie singles discography with explanations like "removed a load of crap"......? :-)

About the sound files, I just went by the 30 second rule when I first uploaded them but I'm aware of the rules of regulations now so that's OK by me. As long as they don't get deleted every single one of them I'll survive, but thanks for letting me know.

Peace.

Dreamer.se (talk) 20:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC)dreamer.se

Thriller album
Please add any further thoughts at the peer review/talk page before week go for FA again, things seem to be closing down, looks like its soon time for another shoot. Cheers. Realist 2 ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 00:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey thanx, ive responded to a few of your thought, a few questions, would you mind answering them, cheers. Realist 2 ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 20:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Dirt
Yeah, I haven't been on much. I've been hanging out with friends alot and I've got a girlfriend now, so I've been busy. I get out of school on June 6, so... I am still very much up to Dirt. My prioritys are probably Dirt, Jar of Flies, and Layne Staley. All AiC, I love those guys, I don't like the new singer though. You're article is great, one thing I think would be nice though, is if you were to clean up the band template. Burningclean [speak]  19:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Suspected sock puppets/Save Us 229
Just looked over this, and was like wtf...good to see you stuck around after that...because you have FAC comments! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hunted Down
Hunted Down has a cover photo. You can see it on the hunted down page. And second it's a Vinyl. And third good article. --Freedom (song) (talk) 19:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Need your help
Hello Indopug. You have left messages for me in the past and I apologize for not responding. I'm having trouble with the user User: Freedom (song). Over on the Soundgarden album articles he keeps adding reviews from a web reviewer named Mark Prindle. I have reverted these edits on the basis that he is not notable and not a professional reviewer. Could you give some input on this. Any help would be appreciated.-5- (talk) 18:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll begin removing them.-5- (talk) 18:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Seinfeld (season 1)
thanks for reviewing the above article, I have addressed your comment, so would you review it again and add any more comments, if you have any.  Gman 124 talk 20:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Gandhi-related
why did you delete my edit. It was perfectly legitimate. Mayawati ia one of most popular leaders in India and represents Dalits. You could have made dits, but why delete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunzlvy (talk • contribs) 14:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC) can you tell me why we can't list each and every criticism, when the criticsm is by the "only" and "most prominent" dalit leaders in India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunzlvy (talk • contribs) 15:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it is like saying "look you are not going to be allowed to do that. even if it legitimate and right and a in your face fact, we will not allow it because of reasons not to be disclosed. if you persist we have other ways to stop you" fine with me. thanks. just shows that bias is not only in real but virtual life too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunzlvy (talk • contribs) 15:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

you act like a school headmaster. i hope you go to hell and die sooner than you think. may the devil lord himself descend upon you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunzlvy (talk • contribs) 15:58, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Foo Fighters
I've tried my best with a para on the Foo's. Would you be willing to reassess your comments on the FLC nom? Tenacious D Fan (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar!

 * PS: Replied here. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Stairway to Heaven
I agree that most of the covers were non-notable. However, Rolf Harris's "different" interpretation charted in the UK at number 7. Compare this with how we treat Video Killed the Radio Star and the POtUSA cover version. Do you think it's worth a keep ing in a new section? -- Rodhull andemu  00:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Blondie
Not sure how much access you have to magazines, but there's currently a special issue of Mojo out dedicated to New Wave, with heavy emphasis on Blondie. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!
I just noticed that "Touch Me I'm Sick" was promoted! Awesome job! Burningclean [speak]  18:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats cool. I suppose it would be kind of a concept. Is it just me, or does "Junkhead" sound like it is a positve look on drugs ("I don't go broke, and I do it alot", "You'll be doing like me, and it ain't so bad"), but every other song Staley has written was a negative outlook? Burningclean  [speak]  22:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

acdcforlife8807
i wasn't vandalizing i was telling the truth they are gods —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acdcforlife8804 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Redirects...
While I'm not necessarily opposed to the redirection of non-notable songs, it would be appropriate to ensure that all notable information within that song article is in the album article. Looking at your the time stamps on your contribs, I'm guessing your not checking first. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 11:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

PS, in theory there's a quite a bit of merit in it, and I once half heartedly proposed it previously on U2 related song articles. Indeed, if the notable info from the song articles is included in the album articles, then the album articles are stronger. Anyway, as long as the redirection process doesn't result in a deletion of info, then this info can always be checked for inclusion in album articles at a later date. best regards. --Merbabu (talk) 11:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Radiohead redirects
Hi Indopug. I've noticed that you've redirected a lot of pages on Radiohead songs to their respective album articles. While I agree with Merbabu on the fact that it's not necessarily a bad idea to have these be redirects, you've deleted a lot of valuable info on these songs by redirecting them without ensuring that any notable information is transferred back to the album article. As a person who just recently bought two of Radiohead's albums in the past week, I've been relying on these pages to give me background information on some of these songs and was surprised to see it all gone today. Also, simply because a song wasn't released as a single doesn't mean that it isn't a notable song. Radiohead don't often release singles and oftentimes many other songs from their albums become notable in their own way (for just one example, the article from the song Lucky contains info on it's appearance on The Help Album) Anyway, I hope you take my advice and consider restoring the pages or at least transferring any song-specific information onto the respective album's article. Have a good day! &mdash;Mr. Strong Bad/ talk 16:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

The Strokes Discography
Looks good to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EGorodetsky (talk • contribs) 06:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Dio discography
Would you be willing to reconsider you oppose. I have added in a para, and dealt with all other comments. Thanks. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 16:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

note at Talk:Like_a_Rolling_Stone
Hi. I just left a little note at Talk:Like_a_Rolling_Stone. I don't disagree with any of your reasons for failing the article's GA review. I just felt you were perhaps a little harsh in the way you expressed them, and that it might be worth giving the major contributor some time to try and fix the problems. But that's just a thought. Thanks for the time you put in to the review! --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 18:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Like a Rolling Stone
Okay. First, if you haven't already noticed, Sunzlvy left a message on the top of your page; do what you wish with it. Second, why did you remove your edits to Like a Rolling Stone? If it is because you do not want to be a contributor or anything of the sort, or anything else, please let me know. Thanks. --Cheers, Kodster  (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 19:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No reason. I just thought that you never noticed for some reason, but looking at his talk page, I realised that you did. I'll get to work on Like a Rolling Stone now. Thanks for at least reviewing the article. :) Cheers, Kodster  (You talkin' to me?) (Stuff I messed up) 19:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Punk blues
FYI: it's one of the genres listed on the White Stripes bio at Allmusic. Then again, that genre page was only created by the site recently (definitely less than a year ago), and (conjecturally) may or may not have been influenced by the existence of the Wiki article. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Use your discretion; I was just pointing out that it's something to consider. I do agree you don't need three rock subgenres to describe the band's albums, though. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Elephant (album)
you seem to be in a edit war on this article which could lead to breaking the 3rr rule which could lead to a ban for you so be carefulOo7565 (talk) 21:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. It wasn't my direct intention to fight with you. I guess I just get possessive 'cause it's my favorite band. Sorry to come off like a jerk. I'll remove the citations. (talk) 21:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Slipknot GA review
Hey, just wanted to say Thank You for the GA review and all of the work you did for the article. It's been nice working with you. Thanks again!  Black ngold29  22:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

????
What? Did you delete the adding on of Putting Out Fire? Not a popular song? According to who? I hear it all the time where I am. The song fits in this section as it was played constantly when the film was released, and natural for him to be a part of this song. I was introduced to Bowie by this song in London, England, prior to the release of the film. Besides, it fits this section without a doubt. Don't you think that Bowie's career should be covered in every detail on Wikipedia? Adding relevant information makes a big improvment on Wiki. This singer is known in many arts of the world and by giving a personal opinion on relevant information is not fair. Incorrect judgement on your own personal view on a song or part of his life that introduced more fans to the singer. You got me stumped on this. Electric Japan (talk) 12:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think your just causing trouble on a sentence. Do you actually think you are doing something that is right? You are nit-picking for reasons that are coming close to absurd. I hope you are not talking about your own prefrences. That would be the most outlandish reason I could think of right now. Electric Japan (talk) 12:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I can see that you have done this to other Wikipedians. This is not good, fella. You already have a reputation for being troublesome. This is about a song,okay. Deliquency on here is your thing in life,right. Get that any new information increases the article in question. Don't deteriorate the article. You are taking this all too seriously over music. Electric Japan (talk) 12:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Anyway, I am here each day. I enjoy your childish banter. I don't understand you, but that's okay as I see other's are agreeable with me. I don't think I have anything to prove now,friend. I'm having a great time on Wikipedia. Electric Japan (talk) 13:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Echo & the Bunnymen discography
Hi Indopug, thanks for your tips and help with Echo & the Bunnymen discography. I've managed to get a list of the band's music video's but I'm struggling to find the directors for some of them. Do you know of a useful source I can use to find them? Cheers --JD554 (talk) 16:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Supergrass taskforce
Hi

I've seen you edit on the Supergrass article and would like you to join the Supergrass taskforce.

Thanks,

--TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 18:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)