User talk:Indref

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--Dennisthe2 19:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

In re 2
Hi. I'm Dennis. The post here is being made by my alter ego, but you can look up details about me here. Short version: amongst other things, I, too, am a furry fan.

I saw your post on the 2's talk page, and felt compelled to address you in regards to it.

Speaking strictly for myself, the issue with the article for 2 the Ranting Gryphon is not that I just don't like it or its subject. I like the guy, for one - he's good people offstage, and has good material, even if he doesn't line up with my own convictions. But, frankly, just because somebody likes somebody and/or his work is not a good reason to keep stuff around here - conversely, that somebody doesn't like the contents of an entry is a downright shitty reason to delete it. More on that in a moment - I'll be citing my references down here.

Right now, the article stands with issues in three things: 2 isn't really notable outside of SF and Furry fandom, the article is struggling to assert notability aside from that (and frankly, failing miserably), and the article as it exists is pretty much direct cut-and-paste from its article on WikiFur. The first two alone - notability - are going to be key here, regardless of the perpetual "disputed" state of the article in which I just linked; the fact that it's direct copy from WF, however, may be grounds for a speedy delete. I should advise you, too, that this was recreated despite having been deleted previously is grounds for use of the db-repost tag, and I can guarantee that if somebody puts that tag up, it's history - and the article will probably be salted if that happens.

As far as why not to delete an article, it comes down to a bad faith deletion. I can direct you to here and, for a humorous counterpoint to this link, here. Note that a true bad-faith deletion is speedily kept, and such a deletion is liable to get the perpetrator of the deletion banned.

Also see WP:POINT for a note on what not to do, and WP:NOT for a list of things that Wikipedia is not for. Also look at WP:5 for a good list of what Wikipedia is.

It comes down to this - 2, in his current level of fame, isn't going to show up here on WP without getting deleted. And personally, I'm all for a keep, but it's incredibly conditional - there needs to be more insofar as notability assertion goes. See above for how to do that.

Read those links as above, as these will help you come to an understanding of what we're doing here. If you're not sure, ask questions.

--Dennisthe2 19:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)