User talk:Indubitably/Archive 19

I just have to do this
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. Your continued joking is disruptive and considered vandalism. You will be blocked from editing Wikipedia if you continue.

Seriously, you're like the of Wikipedia. Especially with the BRC jokes (which makes me sad I can't join because I don't have a bathrobe) 17:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hahahaha... thanks. Good game on the sig, too, ahaha.  Lara  ❤  Love  08:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's cuz of magic. Magic and... you know those little curly wurly caramel chocolate bars? Them. Will (talk) 11:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OMG. Those look good. Why are they not sold here? And Cadbury is muh fave chocolate!  Lara  ❤  Love  14:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * They are good. And I'd think the reason would be the same there are no (or very few) Quinzo's in the UK. Mind you, do they do Nestle Yorkies in the US? Will (talk) 17:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, we don't have those either. Is there something special about Quizno's? I don't like their stuff so much.  Lara  ❤  Love  19:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Quizno was the first thing from the US that's unheard of in the UK that came to my head (I was reading the article about Hard Rock Cafe, for some reason). Plus, it's a shame you miss out on the good chocolate. Will (talk) 20:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I know! I love chocolate, so it really is tragic. I would relocate to the UK, but I just love too much here.  Lara  ❤  Love  20:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you could send order forms off, though I suspect the cost of shipping>cost of chocolate. Will (talk) 20:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Fuck that noise. Hahaa.  Lara  ❤  Love  20:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Such an action thus unactionable - I've always wondered how you could fuck noise - I mean, unless you just need the action (and I doubt the BRC do... except for defrag), fucking it would make it wanted, which is the complete opposite of the definition of noise. Or maybe I'm talking shit. I don't know. Will (talk) 20:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

(←) Wow, who knew you'd read that all literally and such. Glad I didn't say my usual "fuck that shit" as opposed to my shout out to the_undertow. I wouldn't want to get such a reputation. But, ya. I wasn't talking about the fun kind of fuck. Keep up with the conversation, son. You can do it. XD  Lara  ❤  Love  20:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm like the Alanis of comedy, then. But complicated words don't confuse me like dey do her. Will (talk) 21:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Grateful thanks...
Your classroom is just the spot on WIki I had hoped to find. Thank you for asking me to participate. I can see that I will be spending time simply trying to learn how to learn. I will try not to burden you with questions, and will limit those to only that which may have me totally baffled. With appreciation, MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 20:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ask away. I don't mind.  Lara  ❤  Love  03:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

ANI
An editor has posted a concern at the ANI board, which involves a comment which was removed from your talk page here. As is protocol, I wanted to alert you of this situation. the_undertow  talk  00:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, sweets. You're the best. <3  Lara  ❤  Love  08:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Saffronwaldenconservatives
Hi. Just a thought - since the user is so evidently a newbie, he/she may not see your block notice at the top of the page. How about leaving them a little note at the foot, pointing to the top, and suggesting they get a new name? --Dweller (talk) 15:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh. I actually put it at the top so they'd definitely see it. Haha. I'll drop another note.  Lara  ❤  Love  15:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Rofl. Actually, wait. You can't! You're an admin and everyone knows us admins are mean, rude, uncaring and have hearts made of cheese. Can you at least growl a little while being thoughtful? --Dweller (talk) 15:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Me, little 'ole Southern Belle Lara, mean? Nah, hunny... I'm not mean. A raging bitch, maybe, but that doesn't make me mean does it? I mean... I have a heart and "Love" in my name... I must come off sugary sweet! And I growl on occasion, but usually I'm not being thoughtful at the time. XD  Lara  ❤  Love  15:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Gosh. Can't understand how you possibly passed RfA without having your heart surgically removed. Personally, I had to go through six months of heartlessness training. I can now watch Animal Hospital on telly without saying "ahhh" even once. Except when I see Rolf Harris' shirts, except it usually comes out "argh". Then again, I suspect these cultural references may be somewhat off the mark for a Southern Belle, but I'm sure you get my drift :-) --Dweller (talk) 15:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, I do. Uhm. Yea, I can be heartless. Particularly on the vandals and such. It's good times. I've been known to hand out some vicious smackdowns. Srs. I'm srsly. But I also unblock a lot of people so as to be charitable, ya know... and piss off other admins by undermining them. ;)  Lara  ❤  Love  15:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Warning. Do not click this link without wearing sunglasses. --Dweller (talk) 15:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Why do older people like to wear florescent colored clothes? Is the vision going that bad? I mean, I'm losing vision and I still wear mute colors and lots of black and white.  Lara  ❤  Love  15:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've long had a theory that insanely coloured clothes (or worse, Warner Bros/Disney ties with business suits) are donned by bland people in search of a personality, but in his case, for once, it really is because he's that zany. In byegone eras, they'd have locked him up. Today, they put him on telly. --Dweller (talk) 15:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

(←) Ahhaa. A manager at my old job used to wear an M&Ms tie all the time. It was so retarded looking, doubly so because he was white with a skin tone closer to yellow than pink, was like 6'2" and about 300 pounds, and bald. So he really kind of looked like the yellow peanut M&M. Good times. Srsly. XD  Lara  ❤  Love  16:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Returning
After much thought and deliberation I have decided to return. Many wikians contacted me by various means and I truly appreciate the support from all of them. Man, did I need that wiki break! I have learned from it and will use the experience to improve. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 19:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * STFU. XD You're not allowed to leave anymore. If you need a break, then take a break, hit Target, get a bathrobe and a box of Kleenex (multi-purpose expenditure) and take a picture with your thumb in the upright and locked position... preferably only your thumb (put the Kleenex away). Then upload that shit and be merry... srsly.  Lara  ❤  Love  19:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You're a riot LL !! — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 19:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:NE_200bc.jpg Image:Asia_200bc.jpg
Hi Laralove. You deleted this image due to its existance in Wikimedia. That's okay and all, but I need a link so I can upload updates to keep the maps accurate. On each of the Wikipedia map pages there is a link I can use to upload a newer version of the file, but I don't see one of those links on the Wikimedia page. Can you help me solve this issue? Thomas Lessman (talk) 18:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That image has not been deleted.  Lara  ❤  Love  19:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha. You get blamed for shit even when you don't do it. Now go jam out with yo clam out! the_undertow   talk  19:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You're retarded, hahaa.  Lara  ❤  Love  20:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

It's wierd because I can still see the image itself, but when I click on the "Image" tab it says the image was deleted, and lists your account as the one who deleted it. Which is okay, but I need to know how to upload newer versions of that image. I've updated the map twice since then, but can't upload the replacement b/c there's no original file (it says). And there's no link to upload a newer version, like there is on other images. Thomas Lessman (talk) 20:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it. It may be that it's now located at Commons with the same file name. In which case, you'd just need to upload new versions at Commons.  Lara  ❤  Love  20:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, no. I don't know. It's not deleted for me. Image tab, upload new version, all works. The file name is nonexistent on Commons. I also checked my last 500 deletions and it's not found. The image also only shows one update. Are you sure you've got the right image above?  Lara  ❤  Love  20:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * *I feel kinda dumb now*. I'm sorry Lara, I meant Image:Asia_200bc.jpg, not the NE version. :-) Thomas Lessman (talk) 20:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't feel dumb, easy mistake. I'll look over it.  Lara  ❤  Love  20:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, yea. The Commons banner is located below the image. It's located on Commons, it's remotely viewable here. The link in the banner for it's description page on Commons will lead you to a page that looks almost identical to our image pages. Create an account there and update new versions the same as you would here.  Lara  ❤  Love  20:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh wow, I see what you mean. I guess I didn't think to login to media also; I was just logged into Wikipedia. Well thank you Lara, I appreciate it! Thomas Lessman (talk) 20:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Any time.  Lara  ❤  Love  01:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Can it be
someone else's teim to play martyr plz? the_undertow  talk  19:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Dude, not everyone posts wikibreak banners or talk page notices regarding time constraints for attention. Sometimes it's a genuine desire to keep people from asking them to do shit they aren't going to do, to avoid having to say no and subsequently feel bad about it. So calm down. <3  Lara  ❤  Love  20:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Um dood. Your lil message forgets to include the other humble editors who may just stop by to work on an article. You need to chill. Now. Srs. the_undertow   talk  00:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about?  Lara  ❤  Love  01:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm working to bring several articles to Good and Featured status myself.  the_undertow   talk  01:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I, too, am working to bring several articles to Good and Featured status. Just for you.  Lara  ❤  Love  01:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)




 * Haha... damn. Dude, check it. I looked at tuition, it's more than twice the cost for out-of-state students. Over $11k/semester for UMass Boston!  Lara  ❤  Love  19:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's only $4k for me to attend UNC Greensboro. Bah.  Lara  ❤  Love  21:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Three things:
 * Trebuchet MS > Veranda
 * Close yer font tags
 * 'at's mine box, k?
 * Will (talk) 22:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Three things:
 * What's Veranda? Regardless, Verdana > All.
 * Negative. See #1.
 * Good to know who to give credit for the laughs to. The construction is nice, though.  Lara  ❤  Love  02:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A veranda is a porch. Always misspell the font's name. Still, I love Trebbie for some reason. And if you really want to laugh at rollback, that userbox used to have an associated category ;) Will (talk) 00:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So 2 five year-olds are walking through an apartment complex. One looks up and says, "Holy shit. There's a condom on that veranda!" His friend looks at him and says, "What the fuck is a veranda?" the_undertow   talk  00:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, OMG, what fucked up kids live in OC? Haha. But yea, I know what a veranda is, I was just being facetious. :p  Lara  ❤  Love  06:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, more chocolate to order from the UK: Penguin bars. They're moreish. Will (talk) 15:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Request an account
Hi, LaraLove

Please restore move protection sysop only as well :)

-- The Helpful One (Talk)(Contribs) (Review) 20:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Beat me to it! :)

 The Helpful One (Talk)(Contribs) (Review) 21:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Ya, dude. I know. These are separate steps, each taking a moment in time. I was literally like 2 minutes deep into the 2 and a half minute process. Thanks for the note, tho.  Lara  ❤  Love  21:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

COI question
Hey, hi...I know that I am not allowed to contribute to article on myself Dana Ullman, but am I allowed to contribution to the Discussion page and to response to questions raised there? Also, at my Discussion page is an old COI reference, but because the previous article was entirely deleted and a new one was created, I had NO involvement in the present article. As such, is it possible and fair to ask someone (you?) to remove the COI reference? Dana Ullman Talk 01:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You are most certainly allowed to edit the talk page of your article. Just don't get into any contentious discussion. I'll look over the possibility of removing the banner.  Lara  ❤  Love  02:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You have three edits to your article, the current version. Two from August and one from November. For that reason, the banner must remain.  Lara  ❤  Love  02:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * He's allowed to edit the article about himself, IIRC, same restrictions. Elonka's done it with her's. And personally, I think the talk has enough contentious discussion even while the subject was banned. One stubbing of a BLP and the hounds get all over you... sheesh :/ Will (talk) 02:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Will. Dana is actually on restricted editing while I mentor him. So it's a different situation.  Lara  ❤  Love  02:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It's also a question of what is wise, not just what might be allowed. Using the talk page is allowed and avoids raising any suspicions. Editing the article will always raise suspicions.
 * This is a touchy one as regards COI. Inserting content to one's own writings and using Wikipedia to increase notability is a very slippery slope. Again, the talk page is the safe place to discuss it, but editing the article in such a situation is dynamite. --  Fyslee  /  talk  04:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Is this posted at AN/I or something? He's on editing restrictions as part of the mentorship deal. He's allowed to edit all talk pages, but not certain articles. Using his own work is allowed as long as it meets WP:RS. I've got it under control.  Lara  ❤  Love  04:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I haven't posted it there. I was just mentioning it to you. Since you are his mentor (and I'm sure you don't want to become an "accessory to the crime"...;-), I'm sure you will give him a royal chewing out so he doesn't get anywhere near such a dangerous matter as a COI issue of promoting or posting his own material. You represent Wikipedia, not him (IOW you are not his "defense attorney"), so your duty is to advise him, not to protect him. I'm sure you do have it all under control, so good luck. Love your user page! --  Fyslee  /  talk  04:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW, the only reason I even knew of his existence is because he was uncivil to me. His comment didn't even make sense, since I didn't do or say what he criticized. It was a rather weird comment, and he was chastised accordingly. I then checked him out and found out he was a banned user with a COI (advocacy is not allowed here) as regards editing anything related to homeopathy, and that you had adopted him. I hope he doesn't take you down with him. That has happened before. Good luck again. --  Fyslee  /  talk  04:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Where is his mentorship deal located? --  Fyslee  /  talk  04:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey hi Lara...First, to clarify something about the article on me Dana Ullman, this article was stubbified in December, and all of my minor contributions were deleted. I have not contributed to this article since it was re-created.  I'm a clean machine, and it seems that the COi notice has no real meaning any more.  As for Fyslee's statement about me being "uncivil"...actually, I didn't criticize him personally at all; I criticized his argument.  I believe that people who harp on the smallness of the homeopathic dose are missing the point, and I wrote that it is akin to saying that the atomic bomb was a placebo because of the "smallness" of an atom.  It ain't the size; it's the motion that makes the atomic bomb (and the homeopathic medicine)!  I was not uncivil.  Heck...I even greeted him (and I meant it).  Dana Ullman Talk 05:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, Dana. I'll have to look into it for you.


 * Fyslee, I'm not really sure what you mean by "royal chewing out". I don't lay smackdowns on my adoptees. I also just stated above that he's allowed to provide self-references in his talk page discussions about content as long as they meet WP:RS. And I realize I'm not his defense attorney, but I also realize that he's not on trial. I have respect for him and I understand his frustrations. It takes time to learn and adapt to WP policy, especially when it comes to COI. It must be a very difficult situation to have an article about you that you can't really contribute to. I also feel it must be extremely difficult to handle the frustration of having every edit you make to the mainspace reverted, usually by the same editors, regardless of the article, which could leave one to assume that some stalk his contributions.


 * As far as your diff, considering what he puts up with, I don't find it uncivil. I think he's handling the stresses he's under here pretty well. I don't understand Homeopathy or the related issues, so I stay out of most of the discussions, but I chime in when I feel like either he or another editor needs to be reminded of some things. But I find most of the discussions to be utterly ridiculous. But don't worry about me going down. Like I said, it's under control.


 * And the deal is in his inbox. Unless he deleted it.  Lara  ❤  Love  05:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

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Help stopping Harassment from User:One_Night_In_Hackney
Lara, this guy and some friends have taken it upon themselves to harass me all day over various articles, including an article about me, Thomas Lessman. The article was written by someone else, and I corrected some inaccuracies (like what City I'm in). When references were requested, I provided them. This User:One_Night_In_Hackney has mentioned on his talk page and others that he is targeting the article because he is mad at me for reverting some of his unwarranted edits. And he just keeps going. What can be done when another editor is harassing you and making it personal? Thomas Lessman (talk) 04:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you provide diffs of these comments he has made regarding you?  Lara  ❤  Love  04:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "Diffs", but I think I can provide them. Which comments of his are you referring to, he's made quite a few on Talk:Thomas Lessman, the Admin noticeboard and others. If he posted legitimate grievances and gave opportunity to correct or improve, that would be different. But he's not accepting anything presented to satisfy his demands nor is he showing any signs of being willing to compromise. And his attacks keep getting worse. Thomas Lessman (talk) 04:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Stop forum shopping. One Night In Hackney  303  04:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, you're accused of harassment and then you follow the guy here. Classic! the_undertow   talk  04:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thomas, by diffs, I mean links to the edits he's made regarding you "on his talk page and others". Your request has already been rejected at AN/I, which I saw right before you posted to my talk page, but I'll look into the possible personal attacks and/or harassment.  Lara  ❤  Love  04:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You could start with this ("But for this Hackney idiot to call it a "vanity article" is beyond stupid, especially when this guy suddenly gets a hard-on to attack and harass me for no reason") and this ("I really think this Hackney guy just has too much spare time and a grudge against me."). Check my edits to the article, they are all above board. Check the talk page where I explained why the sources weren't acceptable, check them for yourself as they don't source the information in the article. Check the history of the article too, another editor agreed. One Night In Hackney  303  04:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For the record, this has already been dealt with at WP:ANI. I am going to say here what I said there. Ignore each other. Leave each other alone. Don't defend yourself, don't explain yourself, don't do anything. Once either of you stops, this goes away instantly. --Jayron32. talk . contribs 04:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, I agree. Considering it's two sided, if you can't both let it go, which ever one keeps it up will be blocked while the other goes on about his merry way.  Lara  ❤  Love  04:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

help
Hi, I am under discussion for a community ban. See. All in all my experience on Wikipedia hasn't been great and I want out, but want to clear my name first. Can U help? Abridged talk 01:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm too busy to read a bunch of mess. Cliff's Notes the situation for me.  Lara  ❤  Love  01:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You have a clear block log. The editor campaigning for your ban certainly does not. Give me some details, I'm interested now.  Lara  ❤  Love  02:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * This guy Vanished user called me an "uncritical promoter of homeopathy". I consider this a personal attack because I am not uncritical, am not using wikipedia to promote anything and don't have any interest in promoting homeopathy, just in describing it as a way to help me learn more about it.  If you look at my mainspace edits, I think I've done helpful work in the area.  I improved a lot of biographies by adding cites, taking out stuff which seemed promotional, etc.  Anyway, I asked him to retract his attack.  He said, basically, well I'm sorry if you took offense but you are an uncritical promoter of homopathy.  So I showed him some diffs to show that I wasn't, and he blew this off too.  So I did a user conduct RFC because I thought that was the next step.  Skinwalker wrote there that I should be disciplined for my abuse of the system and many endoresed.  Then Fill wrote that I should be banned, someguy named science apologist started a sectoin on this, and many people have now endorsed this.  I am kind of fed up, but I just want to clear my name so I can leave on a good note.  Abridged talk 02:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm wondering if this is a case of using the wrong forum for this complaint. the_undertow  talk  02:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

What we have here is a typical example of the perp playing the victim. Skim through this for the full story (you can scroll towards the end as the first part isn't easy to follow). Raymond Arritt (talk) 03:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Perp? &mdash;Whig (talk) 03:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Dont start this shit on my talk page. I'm looking over the situation and posting to the talk page of the RFC. Unless I've missed something substantial, the ban proposer and all who endorsed should be ashamed of themselves.  Lara  ❤  Love  03:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Danek?
Wasn't that Timothy Leary? Or am I missing something... --Closedmouth (talk) 02:24, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. I have no idea where I got Joseph Danek. I've used that quote for years on MySpace. I think I got it off someone else's profile in a message board. Anyway, thanks!  Lara  ❤  Love  04:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Great quote, by the way, I agree entirely. --Closedmouth (talk) 06:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

For the record
While Abridged has not had an RfC, Whig has had two:

Requests for comment/Whig Requests for comment/Whig 2 Vanished user talk 04:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not talking about Whig. I'm talking about Abridged.  Lara  ❤  Love  04:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, fair enough, but Whig was a full collaborator in this, and he should have known better. Vanished user talk 04:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Where is the smackdown that should have been laid down for all this apparent disruption?  Lara  ❤  Love  04:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm considering weighing in after review but I noticed that you here reviewed an unblock request and declined after Whig stated that while he and Adam were in a content dispute, Adam indef blocked him. Would you be willing to state why you declined unblock in that situation? I'd be interested in your input. Thanks. Wjhonson (talk) 06:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Because I discussed it with admins in the admin IRC channel and was told that considering his ArbCom restrictions, I should direct him to that email.  Lara  ❤  Love  06:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * For the record, I've never been under ArbCom restrictions. &mdash;Whig (talk) 06:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ugh, okay. Well, unbanned and on probation.  Lara  ❤  Love  06:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I have never been on probation. &mdash;Whig (talk) 07:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh em gee. Apparently, I misread the page. Regardless, I blocked the day after a handful of admins commented on the talk page that ArbCom should handle it. Also, I discussed it with other admins before handling it. So I'm not concerned with this particular action.  Lara  ❤  Love  07:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I am, but I'm not angry. You should have said something to me and I would have explained. You just told me to e-mail the arbcom. Which I did, and waited quite a while longer to have my out-of-policy block lifted. &mdash;Whig (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, your reply was not the first one, that was at the end when Mercury asked my block to be listed and resumed mentorship shortly thereafter. I should not have said that and I apologize. &mdash;Whig (talk) 07:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's fine. Don't worry about it.  Lara  ❤  Love  07:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hope you can look at my edits with a fresh eye, anyhow. Vanished user has wanted me banned for a long time. &mdash;Whig (talk) 07:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

We seem to be talking at cross-purposes, as I don't think Abridged should be banned. Perhaps mildly cautioned, or given a bit of advice to get out of recent unhelpful behaviour. Whig's the only one of the two who has a really strong case against him, IMO. Vanished user talk 06:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, Whig is under 1RR and Civility restrictions, but they're community ones. Have a look at the new RfC, first quote. Vanished user talk 08:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Adam... I'm not concerned with Whig, k? I joined in this three ring circus to point out the fact that a community ban is being proposed for an inexperienced user with a clean block log and no cases in the dispute resolution process. I know I've stated my position close to a dozen times now. Let this be the last time I have to state it. Thanks.  Lara  ❤  Love  16:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Lara, I really appreciate your help. A lot of people over at the RFC have been saying some pretty rude things about me, like "I'll bet if you look at her edits they will be POV pushing" This is making the assumption that I am a POV pusher and disruptive without even reading what I've actually done. It feels like categorical abuse becuase I am willing to edit from the point of view which gives homeopathy the benefit of the doubt rather than solidly condemming it. Fill called me an "abusive editor"; doesn't he have to present evidence before he says something like that??? Adam says I have to be cautioned not to be thin skinned. I apologize for doing the wrong dispute resolution thing, but it is a pretty classic tactic that a verbal abuser uses to discredit the person complaining, calling them "thin skinned". They are also saying that teh RFC is going to be deleted after 48 hours because no attempt to get Adam to strike the offending stuff he said was made. I clearly documented that this was done. I asked him to strike the offending remark twice, he just said it was a true remark even when I presented evidence that it was untrue. This is an attempt at dispute resolution. I have mentioned this twice and have been stonewalled there. I would like the RFC to be kept so at least I know who called for banning me for bring it and what they said about me. Abridged talk 16:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I feel for ya, Abridged. Disruptive themselves, making wild claims without providing evidence, throwing insults and making ridiculous threats. No one wants to get involved with it. The best advice I can give you is to just let it go. I know it's not easy, but the community cannot impose a ban on you with no show of evidence. Whig may have cause to worry, but if you were banned in such an out-of-process way, a shit storm would ensue. I'm tangled in the Homeopathy mess simply because I'm Dana Ullman's mentor, but I choose to stay out of it as much as possible... for precisely this reason. If you bite your tongue and go about your merry way and continue to encounter disruption from those involved in this case, post your concern as clearly and respectfully as possible at WP:AN/I.  Lara  ❤  Love  16:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! Thanks for helping out and with such a sense of humor too!  I will take your sage advise.  Abridged talk 16:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. My pleasure... in a masochistic kind of way. :/  Lara  ❤  Love  06:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to bed
But here's my peace out comment for the night. As I stated a few times, my concern is with Abridged. She's the one that came to me requesting I review the situation. In that she has a clear block log, she has not yet exhausted the community's patience. Perhaps the patience of a few editors who do not share a like POV with her, but not the community. The same cannot be said for Whig, and I have no interest in getting involved. So it's unnecessary to continue that part of the discussion on my talk page. In fact, pretty much everything here is also somewhere else. So perhaps let's just keep the discussions on their respective pages. I'm watching them all and have been participating, so there's no need to copy said comments here.  Lara  ❤  Love  07:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * While that's true, my concern is that you declined a reasonable request to unblock based on other admins *telling* you to, instead of objectively reviewing the evidence locker yourself. Also the admin IRC channel isn't a good place to discuss such issues and then direct the user to email a completely uninvolved arbiter, imho. The process should be a little more open to inspection than that.  My misgivings however are not with you Lara, rather something about this entire circus as you called it, smells funny to me.  I only become aware of it because of spillover into other noticeboards.  I'm having serious reservations that this situation is being presented in a neutral light and the sideways-lashing-out is becoming disruptive, as you can see for yourself.Wjhonson (talk) 01:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You've completely misunderstood what I've said, this issue is not related to the matter that was at hand, and I'm not in the least worried about this going to ArbCom, as you stated in your email that it may. However, should it end up there, I'll make my statement then, as I feel no need to explain my actions to you. Justified and endorsed by many admins, I sit confident in my decline and recommendation to Whig. And your disapproval of the admin IRC channel is not an issue to be taken up with me.  Lara  ❤  Love  19:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Responses to HoserJoe concerns
Responses to your legitimate comments at my talkpage have been left. Further actions have been taken. -- VS talk 07:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, VS. I really appreciate it.  Lara  ❤  Love  13:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Dana Ullman
Hi. Could you look over Dana's recent edits. He seems to be getting a bit agitated. I don't think it's helpful that he refers to "anti" editors, "POV pushers", and accuses editors trying to be nice and explain something to him of "eating fungus". He has made some good contributions, but these are far outweighed by his poor ones. He gets very argumentative and insulting on talk pages too. Maybe you should have a word with him, I don't know what your role supposed to be, but I'd like to encourage Dana to be a bridge between understanding science and homeopathy, if possible. Also, as a suggestion, maybe if his article was deleted he'd feel less stressed, having to defend himself all the time. Can he request that? I have no idea and I'm not trying to imply that it isn't notable, just for his own well-being. --RDOlivaw (talk) 15:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He cannot request his own article be deleted, I don't believe. Nor do I think he would want to. But I'll talk to him about it. I'll also look over his contribs and discuss those with him. Thanks for the note.  Lara  ❤  Love  16:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hah, I actually came here to request the same thing from his mentor. Specifically, his tirade on this talk page against the editors of the article.  I realize he is a notable homeopath and deeply invested in the homeopathy articles, but as RDOlivaw mentions, being argumentative is not helping his case.  Also, I was under the understanding that he was not to post in article space without discussion on the talk page first.  I could be wrong on that.  Baegis (talk) 16:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It depends on the article. As far as his "tirade" on his talk page, from someone who doesn't hold a position in the Homeopathic debate, it's difficult to assume good faith on a few comments from pretty much everyone involved, which I understand. These things get heated, people get frustrated and emotional, they're passionate about their beliefs, all that. Understandable. What I don't appreciate is the mud-slinging, insults and the overall tone that many of these comments are written in. This is includes some by Dana and some by others. The whole debate is a mess, and it spans many articles. Everyone needs to chill. It's spilling over into administrative areas and people are embarrassing themselves.


 * I find issue with some of Dana's proposed additions, but I leave the discussions alone until there's a need for me to join in. There are some instances, however, where I don't understand why his additions are being reverted. In those cases, I've commented. I think there may be an issue at this point where people don't even care, and perhaps don't even read, what Dana is actually adding. It appears (and this is just how I see it, I'm not claiming this as fact) that there's just a total break in productive communication and it doesn't matter at this point what Dana produces as a compromise, it's just not going to make article space. Hopefully I'm wrong in this, and I just don't get the full picture from reviewing his contributions and also factoring in my lack of knowledge on the topics. Either way, however, I understand how utterly frustrating this all must be for him, all considered, and I think that, for the most part, he handles himself well. There are a few remarks he's made that I will discuss with him, but I think everyone involved needs to calm down a little, assume a little better faith on the part of others and really, honestly, try to come to some sort of compromise with it all. Otherwise, this will be a never-ending downward spiral of frustration.  Lara  ❤  Love  17:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know if I would say it's a breakdown in productive communication, but some editors are getting frustrated in arguing points with a lot of pro-homeopathic editors, Dana included, who do not understand the polices of Wikipedia, except when it comes to benefit them in some way. The biggest problems that I see are the problem of reliable sources for content and the cherry picking of such sources for pro-homeopathy debate and a general lack of understanding of NPOV (many think it means no criticism, or that it should be neglected to the bottom of the page).  I would encourage you, even though you appear to have your plate full, of delving a bit into the homeopathy articles, because I think you will begin to see the mounting frustration on the parts of many of the editors.  Baegis (talk) 17:21, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * My wiki-time is about to be cut. Should be already, but I am a bit addicted to just pull myself way. I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree that all of Dana's additions, or proposed additions, are out of policy. I think that, perhaps, some of them may just need a bit of rewording, a good copy-edit. I've commented on the respective talk pages for these articles. I really would like to see people realize Dana's position&mdash;and I understand the frustration on your part and those with your POV, I really do, but I understand it from his perspective, too&mdash;and try to help build on these proposed additions in the most respectful manner possible. Explaining and citing WP policy along the way. It would be less frustrating and less time-consuming this way. Constructive collaboration is one of the most rewarding feelings in this project. If everyone could just put the past debates aside and attempt to build a compromise on these various additions, it would be most beneficial to the project... and everyone's health for that matter.  Lara  ❤  Love  17:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Lara! Building a compromise is what I would have hoped. Yet just now, almost all of Dana's bio article has again been deleted. Arion 3x3 (talk) 17:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Lets take it to the talk page of the article and not trouble Lara. She is the mentor of Dana Ullman, the editor of Wikipedia, not the official overseer of the article about the real life person.  Baegis (talk) 17:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Lara. I'd just like to say I appreciate your efforts here --88.172.132.94 (talk) 01:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you.  Lara  ❤  Love  06:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Might want to keep a watch on . Ta, Will (talk) 19:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been keeping an eye on him, and everyone else involved in these articles. Anything in particular you think I've missed?  Lara  ❤  Love  19:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That was fast :) Just a heads up, that's all. Will (talk) 19:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Teh Succinct
the_undertow  talk  09:11, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Check out my contribs. I've been on a mission. We need to find an image for the APC article. It's crazy. I looked forever and can't find anything.  Lara  ❤  Love  09:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The band is now defunct. Would not a fair-use apply in that case? the_undertow   talk  09:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. That's a good point. And even should they reform, it would most probably only be Maynard and Billy from the original lineup.  Lara  ❤  Love  17:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you missed this


I was unable to return to the page, and edit or soften my comments as I attempted to do repeatedly, as I explained several times. The page was too long and moving too fast.

I understand that the phrase "homeopathy promoter" is viewed as highly offensive and a filthy expletive worse than the worst form of invective and I have taken care to avoid its use, now that I have been informed of this.

I understand that the use of the words "us" and "you" are to be viewed as highly offensive and uncivil. I was not previously aware of this, but I am now. I will act accordingly and modify my behavior.

I also think that since the scientific and medical input is unwanted, that it should be withdrawn, as I have been advocating now for a couple of weeks. Then the results should be evaluated so we can understand its effect. It is clearly unwanted, but it also might be unnecessary.

I apologize for using the words "promoter" and "us" and "you" and the mention that "there will be trouble" which I was unable to refactor or soften as I explained, or the discussion of the removal of talk page fighting as we commonly do on other controversial articles. I will not mention them again, even though they were successful on other articles.

If I am to be blocked or banned permanently for these egregious offenses, in spite of the potential explanations or extenuating circumstances, and my willingness to avoid these offensive behaviors and apologies, then go ahead and do it. I am clearly the most disruptive influence here because I used the word "promoter", even though I promise to avoid its use in the future and apologize for its use.--Filll (talk) 19:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's not about your use of words like "us" and "you", it's sophomoric and immature behavior such as this. I'm trying to calm you down so that you can realize how this accomplishes absolutely nothing whatsoever. It's not helping you or your fellow editors in the science community. Progress is being made on other Homeopathic-related articles because editors are making an effort to put their differences aside and work toward compromises. Perhaps you should attempt to do the same. Ultimately, policy is on your side, as far as content. But, although greater weight is to be given to your side, so to speak, in most articles, all views must be represented. Even those based in what appears to the majority to be slightly outside the realm of reality.  Lara  ❤  Love  19:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

What sophomoric immature behavior did I engage in? Could you explain it to me so I do not repeat it? I was told by admins and others that the use of the words "us", "You" "promoter" and the use of the phrase "there will be trouble" and the suggestion that combative discussion be removed from the talk page as is done on other articles is problematic. Fair enough. I will avoid such things.

What else?

Please tell me.

And there are plenty of those in the "science based community" here who are perfectly willing to recuse ourselves from such articles while there is combat and displeasure with the tone of the articles being expressed by a very vocal group ( don't know if they are in the majority or the minority, actually). The vocal nonmainstream group expresses displeasure with NPOV or the interpretation of NPOV, and so what is wrong with letting them show what they can do?

What if they are extremely productive and produce far better articles if they are allowed to?

Do you not want to let them try?

Lets not perpetuate more conflict and trouble. Let's let them edit unimpeded.

And if you want to discuss writing the article, I dare say I have more content in the present article than anyone but Wikidudeman (who has left it, afraid it will decay and turn into a piece of trash given the level of fighting and unhappiness by those who are nonmainstream). But while there is fighting and instability, I refuse to edit it and I refuse to edit war with anyone. Period. I will not try to maintain NPOV. I will not fight with anyone on the content.

And if you want to talk about "my side" I invite you to read the articles I wrote on Beyond Intelligent Design and Judgement Day: Intelligent Design on Trial and several others. I include lots of material from the "other side". In Expelled: No intelligence allowed I have been fighting for weeks to restore more of my pro-ID material to the article which others removed. In my article Level of support for evolution huge swaths of pro-creationist material I wrote was removed by people who do not understand NPOV and I have to restore it. Believe me, I understand NPOV and I am not at all interested in censoring or removing the "other side". So I believe you are unfairly mischaracterizing me.

Tell me again how I am an immature sophomoric jerk and I need to be banned. Tell me why, and then I will know. --Filll (talk) 20:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Fill, the above isn't really helping. If Lara is interested, she can implement and enforce policy (such as NPOV) in the various articles she is monitoring - or not.  Shot info (talk) 00:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you are right. I just wanted to know what I had done that was so sophomoric and immature. Exactly in detail. So I would know to avoid the problem in the future, if I get a chance to continue here on Wikipedia.

I am reaching a conclusion that NPOV is in serious trouble or is not something that is really supposed to be applied in the articles, or only applies in certain circumstances, or is badly misunderstood. Perhaps I misunderstand it, and if so, I would be glad if someone could explain it to me, and we could make sure the policy documents are written more clearly to reflect reality in that case. Oh well. --Filll (talk) 01:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * What I refer to is your attitude. I get that you're frustrated and reaching the end of your rope here, and that's why I suggested a break. I can only assume the "us" and "you" being in connection with an "us vs them" attitude, which I can understand (been there done that). Regardless, you're being super-defensive, which isn't helping anything. And I'm not sure what has you under the impression that a block is imminent, but I really think it would do you some good to take a deep breath and a short break. Or involve yourself in some less controversial/stressful articles for a few days. Seriously. Give yourself some time to calm down and improve the attitude you display in these stressful situations.  Lara  ❤  Love  03:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * A perfect example of what I'm talking about is this, by the way: Tell me again how I am an immature sophomoric jerk and I need to be banned. Tell me why, and then I will know. I did not refer to you as a jerk. I did not at any point suggest you should be banned. I simply warned of the possibility of a block if the incivility should continue. I believe you know this, which is where the sophomoric/immature part comes into play. I hope that clarifies my position. I also hope you can understand that I'm not trying to push you into a block. I'd really like for you to calm down, because I've been in a similar situation to you before, I understand the stress and frustration, and I know that it's sometimes best to break from the stress for a few and come back after calming down a bit.  Lara  ❤  Love  03:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

A wonky external link.....
...that can be found on a page in the skeptics dictionary by typing in Dana Ullman's name has led to a misunderstanding between Dana and I,contains a criticism of Homeopathy that mentions him by name. I found out the hard way that that particular page link redirects to a different page so I pasted the information to his talk in a block quote on his talk page with an explanation of the fact that it is a block quote of someone elses criticism and he seems hell bent on believing that I am criticizing his work. Anyway I am going to try amd get the link fixed and or try to find similar criticisms at the Library. I think that if we mention the fact that 'many opponents of Homeopathy question the validity of his work" and provide sufficient citations of that 1 particular fact we may be able to avoid the onset of a criticisms section altogether. Anyway it is worth a try.
 * Albion moonlight (talk) 05:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Dana apologized to me shortly after I wrote the message above. Some of his non-wiki critics are quite rude to him. : Albion moonlight (talk) 07:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Some of his on-wiki critics are quite rude to him. Thanks for the note, though. Good luck in your research.  Lara  ❤  Love  17:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

AN
I noticed you had adopted this editor. You may want to weigh in on the thread? Durova Charge! 07:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Low Quality
but not a bad rendition over here. the_undertow  talk  08:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Beautiful. I wondered if you had videotaped the recording or just the audio of it. I wouldn't classify it as low quality. I love it.  Lara  ❤  Love  13:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Quick heads-up
You're now enough of an evil threat to free speech to have acquired your very own attack page at WR — be aware that there's a good chance you'll now be deluged with SPA edits. If you're not already aware, you are specifically allowed to indefinitely semi-protect user pages should it be necessary. —  iride  scent  19:41, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Word. Good times. I'm glad something as controversial as the BRC is what landed me a star on the Wikipedia Review Walk of Awesomeness. Too bad that they, as usual, are too stupid to get their story straight. Although, it wouldn't be as fun if it was accurate.  Lara  ❤  Love  21:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

User:PipepBot
Hi LaraLove, thank you for unblocking my bot. In the future I will be more prudent before manually removing interwiki conflicts. -- Pipep 20:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Sorry for the confusion.  Lara  ❤  Love  20:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Harris Coulter
Hi Lara, Dana was wondering about using the deleted article as a starting point. Could you e-mail me a copy please? Thanks for your help, Durova  Charge! 21:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure thing.  Lara  ❤  Love  21:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅  Lara  ❤  Love  21:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Rollback?
Noticed you were listed as one of the admins to go to for this permission. Mind if I have this mini-mop? --Veritas (talk) 05:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Enjoy your sponge.  Lara  ❤  Love  05:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You are wonderful, Thanks! --Veritas (talk) 05:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Distant thanks
I came, I saw,I stole Forgive me or YELL?-- VS talk 05:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, no problem. I stole the code from User:Husond, then tweaked it for my page.  Lara  ❤  Love  05:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

My friend brings you extra thanks and much good wishes. -- VS talk 05:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

If you get a moment...
...as someone totally uninvolved who I can't imagine having the slightest opinion on the matter, could you have a look at Railway stations in Cromer and see if you can think of any way to get this - er - trainwreck back to stability? About a month ago I did what I thought was an uncontroversial referencing and merging in of some sub-stub related articles, but seem to have inadvertently unleashed a tsunami of editors with an unlikely interest in obscure semi-derelict rural rail stations, all of whom seem to know the Way It Has To Be. (For comparison, less than a month ago the talkpage looked like this; it now looks like this.) While everyone's acting in good faith so far, I know the signs of an editwar waiting to happen when I see them, and I'd like someone neutral to keep an eye on it in case it escalates. (It would reek of bad faith if I were to protect "my" version, or block someone for reverting my edits.) —  iride  scent  05:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

A picture of Dana
Can you please help by asking Dana to supply us with a picture of himself for the article. I am a bit of a newbie myself and do not have the first clue as to how go about making sure that the wiki guidelines on images are adhered to. If he does not want his picture their then that is another story altogether. Also if he can supply with more sources pursuant to his writings, and thereby alleviate some of the concerns expressed here That too would be very helpful. As you will see I think any source that is used to make the subject of a BLP less controversial is quite alright but this does not seem satisfy consensus. Albion moonlight (talk) 16:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Unblock of User:Micronit
What was the point of unblocking a user with a total of four edits to change their name when they have the option to just create the new account?  Lara  ❤  Love  18:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't notice that they only had 4 edits, but it doesn't do any harm either. Stifle (talk) 18:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just increases the workload.  Lara  ❤  Love  18:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Ehud Lesar arbitration
Somehow you seem to have been left out of the loop on this one; I've added you as a party along with Khoikhoi and Nishkid. The crux of the case is going to be the reliability of the evidence identifying Lesar as a sock, so your analysis into why you thought said evidence insufficient would be useful. Picaroon (t) 00:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like I got to the party after the cops already broke it up. Bad times.  Lara  ❤  Love  05:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Pong
Hope your ping wasn't urgent. east. 718 at 03:35, January 30, 2008
 * Someone else cleared it up. It had to do with image backlogs. Thanks for the reply tho. :)  Lara  ❤  Love  04:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

bauble
ROFL. Ling, you never fail to make me laugh. Now get to your dissertation. I will block you! Seriously, just tell me if you want me to. I will.  Lara  ❤  Love  03:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK OK. I'm gonna try to set a record. I hafta thank Awadewit, then.. two months with no login. Later! Ling.Nut (talk) 03:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck with that. I couldn't do it. I'd have to disconnect my Internet. But then I'd probably be hitting up LAN centers or Internet cafes. Libraries. Oh, God. I'd probably actually go find sources for shit, I mean, they'd be right there. I may actually be a more productive user then... but no. I like my desk chair.  Lara  ❤  Love  03:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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I think you could use this....


jonny - m t  has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching! ''I've been reading the thread on ANI, and I thought you could use this. Just remember—there's still plenty of love left on Wikipedia :)'' —Preceding comment was added at 08:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Seconded! I'd like to give you a very big, strictly non-sexual hug. When I feel bad I dump the lyrics to Tool's "hush" on someones page. Works for me! ;D  Dfrg_ msc  08:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I can sort of see where he's coming from (we've seen from the constant attacks on Sharon that being a parent (or indeed, just being a Wikipedian (or human)) is such troll-bait, and an age-old adage is don't feed them), but still, I think the way he said it was completely underhanded and he shouldn't pass judgement based on moral panic. Will (talk) 11:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, guys! :) Nick, I didn't realize you were a Tool fan also. The BRC gets cooler every day. No wonder everyone keeps getting their panties in a bunch over it. We're like the leather coat gang from Grease, only I'm the only ping amongst all the black... I'm fine with that.  Lara  ❤  Love  13:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd take it Undertow would be Danny... and I think Sandy would be defrag :P (Yes, I know she's in the Pink Ladies) Will (talk) 14:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, no. I mean, yes. the_undertow would be Danny. But I would be Sandy, not Nick. That's just weird.  Lara  ❤  Love  14:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not making underscore/diskchecker slash, just insinuating that Nick's girly. And if you're Sandy, I'd then say Nick would be that one that does the "brusha brusha brusha" impersonation I forget the name of. Will (talk) 14:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The Monkey Magic Ninja Shuriken Barnstar Award
 Just back from 36 hours away in the big smoke and came back to read (amongst other things) two great ANI threads you were involved in overnight. Heck and you stayed calm even when you were baited in a parting comment in one of them. So from me - this brand new award - The Monkey Magic Ninja Shuriken Barnstar Award - that I just invented (and you can keep a couple of smaller ones to give to your great kids when they actually get old enough to join your BRC for real). Cheers-- VS talk 11:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ROFL. This is great, and really makes me smile. Haha. Thanks, Steve!  Lara  ❤  Love  13:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Award for LaraLove

 * Uhm, cool. Thanks. Are you going to ship it to me? Haha. I could use a new car. XD  Lara  ❤  Love  14:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

BTW, how do I get award2 to work properly?? Thanks, --Solumeiras (talk) 14:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you ever want advice on buying new or used cars - you can always email me!


 * Thanks for the advice! --Solumeiras (talk) 14:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. And it will be a long time before I get a new car. But thanks for the offer! :)  Lara  ❤  Love  14:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh well, there's no rush before you get a new car! Anyway, I've seen a fair few of those Chrysler Cirrus-type cars here in England... they seem to be popular!! Going to get some photos of them for Commons! --Solumeiras (talk) 14:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD
Congrats, you closed your first WP:AFD! Enjoy it, once you're ready to do more controversial ones, that's when it gets "fun", lol. Wizardman 17:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes. Because I love controversy. AN/I is like my tree house now. Good times!  Lara  ❤  Love  17:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Did I jump the gun?
I saw the delete closure on Gary's Paradox, but saw that the article was still there. Naturally I tagged it as a G4. Then I saw the timestamp. By the time my brain figured out the difference between the UTC on the stamp and the time on the US east coast, I realized that the closure had just happened. So it goes. :) DarkAudit (talk) 18:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's okay. I just started closing AFDs at the forceful arm of Wizardman. And I wasn't made aware of the AFD close option on the list. So I was sitting there trying to pick the correct criteria, then asked for advice. So there was a delay between close and delete. No worries. I got it down now, haah.  Lara  ❤  Love  18:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ...And your closes look quite good, overall - a good first run. Some of them may have been jumping the gun a little, as they were a little short of 5 days, but I don't see any major problems. I haven't looked too closely, though. ^_^. One thing, though - if you close a debate as keep, don't forget to remove the tag from the article and tag the talk page with template. I took care of it on The Hard Way (Owsley album); as I said, no big deal, and congrats on your first round of AfD closures! UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 18:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, snap. Thanks. I got work to do. Hahaa.  Lara  ❤  Love  18:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait, what? 5 days? WIZARDMAN!!!!  Lara  ❤  Love  18:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ...uh oh. *ducks* UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 18:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Haha. My talk page is going to blow up tonight. Hahahaha. I specifically asked this question. I suppose it was misunderstood. This is what I get for not reading instructions, but rather just listening to people. Haha. Ah, good times. Love controversy. Thanks, Wiz! Haa.  Lara  ❤  Love  19:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

O, love. the_undertow  talk  19:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha. Thanks. :)  Lara  ❤  Love  19:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD closure
Hi Lara. Would you care to explain this closure? The debate had been going for less than a day, and none the arguments put forward by the keep !voters were actually based on policy or had been repudiated by other evidence. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  20:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea. I tried jumping into AFD for the first time and fucked it up. Haha. Reopen whatever you need to. It's my bad. I'm sorry. :/  Lara  ❤  Love  21:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I rolled everything else back. We'll pretend I was drunk. I don't drink, but we can just go with that for now. ;)  Lara  ❤  Love  21:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Coolio. Kudos for that :) пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  21:25, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

G'day Laura - not specific to the article related in this thread - but I thought I might just add as a general point for you that AfD's can be closed before 5 days when the consensus is clear etc. As you will see the policy especially uses the words Articles listed here are debated for up to five days... Best wishes-- VS  talk 21:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

You handled that quite well, actually - I really didn't intend to kick up a shitstorm when I dropped by, but it's blown over, apparently. Well played, Lara. Best, UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 21:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Once I realized what I had done, I considered going back and undoing everything, but then I thought, no, maybe it's fine. I'll wait and just see what happens. With Number 57's message, I thought It's not really fair to put extra work on other people because I fucked up. So I just rolled everything back. I'll go back to closing AFDs (the old ones) when the pink flushes from my face. At least a few hours. Hahaha. I'm blonde, don't judge me! XD  Lara  ❤  Love  21:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * er, umm, sorry to bring up one other thing, but don't you still have to undelete the articles you deleted? Not judging! :) -- Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 21:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, oh shit. Yes. ROFL. What a royal mess I created. Ah, at least I can laugh about it. Thank God everything can be reverted!! Haha.  Lara  ❤  Love  21:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think it's all fixed now. Glad I bump up my edit count with nothing, haah.  Lara  ❤  Love  21:56, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I was a bit surprised about this early closure, but I don't see how this could turn into a delete closure even if it is run for another four days. So applying WP:SNOW wasn't that far-fetched. There are individuals that are inherently notable: popes, astronauts, members of high-profile committees... Just as an advice, if you close AfD's, you also need to remove the AfD tag from the article and apply the oldafd tag to the talk page. Cheers, trialsanderrors (talk) 15:47, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, I did remove the tags from the articles and tag the talk pages, but I rolled everything back, so it should all be like I was never there... now if we can't just erase the history... and all of your memories. I wonder if the MiB still have that memory erasing light stick... something to investigate. You were never here. I don't exist.  Lara  ❤  Love  15:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
I have just been spamming round thanks to all, now that I am down from the ceiling, and have left you until last. Many thanks for your help here, it was very much appreciated. Best of luck with the Elvis gig, unless you've left them to fight it out among themselves. I haven't been there for a while because I can live without that sort of conflict. For now, anyway. Thanks again. -- Rodhullandemu  (Talk) 22:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)