User talk:Indubitably/Archive 50

re e-mail
I replied to your question about the webmaster[at]web-friend[dot]com site on my talk page. Was there something I should be looking for in that email addy? — Ched : ?  15:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I sent you an email there, was hoping for a response from that email. لenna  vecia  15:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try to find it .. do you know what date? — Ched : ?  15:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 1:59 AM EST. لenna  vecia  16:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * OK ... found it. Using the "Contact and feedback" form made it easier too.  Currently d/l 8K of msgs to my server, will respond from that email later today.  Can also send you the OTRS type of info that I've provided User:Huntster and User:Royalbroil should the WP:RIP thing arise. (hopefully many many years down the road).  — Ched :  ?  18:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. لenna  vecia  18:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, sent 2 via the wiki-link - that way it can be more easily verified through OTRS. — Ched : ?  20:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! لenna  vecia  20:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Bavarian Pigeon Corps
Hey, Lara, just letting you know that your article has been nommed for deletion cause no one else did. لenna vecia  20:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe you need to get out more? :) I tried to come up with a cuckoo's nest pun, but I couldn't find anything that flew. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Nah, I should have been notified here, but I wasn't, so I did it myself to elicit the attention of my talk page stalkers. لenna  vecia  19:31, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It didn't seem worth troubling you, as there was no way the AfD could succeed, and I was sure you'd see it on your watchlist anyway. --Malleus Fatuorum 19:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Not your responsibility, buddy. Plus, it's funnier if I end up doing it. XD لenna  vecia  19:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Strange protection
No idea really, must have been a mistake. I see that my edit immediately prior dealt with an actual high-visibility template so I'm guessing I meant to protect that. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Thanks for the quick reply. :) لenna  vecia  20:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

ANI needs help
Seriously, I think your help would be deeply appreciated here. <3 --Dave1185 (talk) 16:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you want me to do. Seems to be handled. لenna  vecia  18:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Here's a resolved tag

 * Thanks. I needed one of those? XD لenna  vecia  21:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Name
Hi I've seen some users with their name colored and I was wondering how you do that The Movie Master 1 (talk) 23:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:CUSTOMSIG. لenna  vecia  00:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Category deletions
I noticed you speedy deleted Category:2-A1A locomotives and Category:3-A1A locomotives as being "empty", while neither category is empty, both have FM OP800 as a member. The speedy deletion of both of these categories was declined several days ago.Wuhwuzdat (talk) 17:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. Restored. Thanks for the note. لenna  vecia  17:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Your welcome, thanks for restoring them. Wuhwuzdat (talk) 17:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. :) لenna  vecia  17:36, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

You deleted Category:CfD 2009-07 which is a maintenance category which should not be deleted. These are created a few at a time and deleted when empty after they are used. This category will be used starting July 1. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

You deleted Category:Districts of Bern which is not empty. I think you may want to reconsider how you are doing deletions. You are not following policy! Vegaswikian (talk) 23:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, I know. As I said, I thought the tool would work differently! :p لenna  vecia  04:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I am no longer going to assume good faith concerning your admin actions. You deleted Category:2002 Cincinnati Masters which was actually at a full deletion discussion where its status was being discussed!  You actions are totally unacceptable and a blatant misuse of your admin tools!  I'm not going to dig through your edit history, but you may well want to consider reversing your category deletions.  Either they are out of policy in some cases and awarded editors who violated the policy by emptying those categories.  You really need to read the introductions of stuff before you act.  Bots are tools to assist.  They are not there to assist your to violate policy. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That'll teach you to d-batch. --Closedmouth (talk) 04:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll assume the above is a joke. And Closedmouth, inorite? لenna  vecia  04:13, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You should have deleted Cat:Admins open to recall while you were at it. Might have been a good preemptive move. Law type!  snype? 04:25, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey! I'm open to recall. Maybe Vegaswikian can go that route instead of assuming bad faith on all my admin actions for a mistake that I speedily owned and took swift action to repair myself. :D لenna  vecia  04:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Like Category:2010s American television series which was also an open discussion that was about to be closed as a KEEP! Honestly you made a series of serious errors and you have not bothered to correct them. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ... it's still empty. And, please, calm down a bit. Deletions are reversible because humans are fallible. There's no reason to assume bad faith or make attacks. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not a joke. You either abused your power, you ran tools and did not review their actions or whatever! Maybe if you had restored everything you had deleted, we would not be having issues. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I did go back and go through all of them with the help of Law and others. And I'm not having issues, just an issue, which is you, so simmer down. They are categories. Easily recreated, easily restored. I made a mistake, I owned it before the tool even completed its run, and I immediately went to fixing the errors. I really don't know what more you want from me and at this point I really don't care. You can take your bad faith whining somewhere else now. لenna  vecia  13:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I do have an issue with open CfD discussion targets being deleted, especially for that that were deleted out of process when a keep decision was made! Contrary to claims, you have not restored what you deleted, instead expecting others to do the digging and restoring.  Vegaswikian (talk) 16:55, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, right. You can stop posting to my talk page now, considering you don't know what you're talking about and your whining here serves no purpose. لenna  vecia  16:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Vegas, you keeping pounding the idea that Jenna deleted cats that were in the middle of deletion discussions. We know that - it's irrelevant. She also deleted empty cats, some not so empty, some about locomotives and some about soccer teams. She wasn't trying to interfere with deletion discussions so please, let it go. Law type!  snype? 19:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea. I deleted almost 900. I restored around 400. How many of those were under discussion? Like 5, maybe. لenna  vecia  19:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Category:Bartending stubs, Category:Soft drink stub templates, Category:Spirits infobox templates
You deleted this because they were empty? They have more than a dozen articles in them, did you look at these before performing these actions? Could you please restore them since they are populated? --Jeremy (blah blah) 17:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Misunderstanding in how d-batch would work wrt active categories wrongly listed. Having selected the option to remove backlinks, I was under the assumption that it would be the same as images or articles, wherein the deleted active category would be removed from any articles using it. Then I could go through my contribs, restore such categories and revert the removals. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, it didn't do that. Not sure why. I restored the first and third. The second isn't bringing anything up. Typo maybe? I'll look for it. لenna  vecia  17:47, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, Category:Soft drink stub templates. Lowercase d. Got it. Sorry about that. لenna  vecia  17:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

--Jeremy (blah blah) 18:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of bartending please, this is a cat that gets populated, emptied and populated as needed per tagging via WP:MIX template. If an article is tagged as needing a photo, it gets one and the needs-photo parameter is deleted from the article, thus removing the article from the cat. --Jeremy (blah blah) 18:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Restored that one as well and added empty category. لenna  vecia  18:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

again. --Jeremy (blah blah) 20:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Category:Requested history purges
Hello,

You found the above empty because it's currently not backlogged. However, it is used by copyvio-histpurge to mark articles which started as copyvios but have then been cleared of infringement for a partial history removal, which means it fills up when article gets tagged and clears when it has no more backlog. Finally, it is re-used to display the same backlog at the wikiproject Copyright Cleanup. Could I kindly ask you to reconsider?

Thanks. MLauba (talk) 17:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Restored. Thanks for the kind note. لenna  vecia  17:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No, thank you for your flexibility and ultra-swift response. Cheers, MLauba (talk) 18:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Category:Undated AfC submissions
Hi. I noticed that you deleted the category Category:Undated AfC submissions (log action). Although the category is empty, it is importation for WikiProject Articles for Creation maintenance, and does contain submissions on a regular basis. I recreated it based on what I remember being in the category (I also added the empty category template so it won't be deleted in the future), but could you please tell me if the category was part of any other categories before it was deleted? I'm not an admin, so I can't use the Special:Undelete function, but you can. Thanks, The Earwig  (Talk &#124; Editor review) 17:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I restored it. It was not previously categorized. Sorry for the confusion. لenna  vecia  18:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks again, The Earwig  (Talk &#124; Editor review) 18:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Category:AfD debates (Not yet sorted)
Hi there. Did you really mean to delete this category? It's neither empty nor it should usually be deleted even if. I'd restore it but I wondered whether there was some reason to it that I simply don't understand. Regards  So Why  18:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see my response here. Misunderstanding on how a tool would work. I've restored. Haha. Ah man, that one is funny. Not as funny as CAT:OFFICE, though. XD لenna  vecia  18:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Message from Lara (Jennavecia) on wrongly deleted categories
Chances are pretty good you've noticed I wrongly deleted a category. Apologies. Mistaken on how a tool would work. So I'm going through and restoring and tagging as necessary with empty category. Off to work now, so if you need a category restored, list it here and either I or one of my TPSs will restore it for you. Again, sorry for the confusion. My bad. لenna vecia  19:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I was wondering if you could restore Category:My bad rouge administrators?! It happens....!  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hahaha. XD Nice to see you!! See, something good has come out of this! <3 لenna  vecia  19:49, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Rambling man, I tried but there was nothing to restore, any chance it was oversighted?  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers 


 * Add Category:Oregon State Beavers soccer to the wrongly deleted category list. Please restore. Thanks, VegaDark (talk) 20:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Restore Category:Proposed deletion as of 19 June 2009 please! Fences  &amp;  Windows  00:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Went through list
And restored all the ones that seemed obvious. Gotta get some sleep, work early tomorrow, but I'll go through the list again when I get of work tomorrow evening and restore any others as necessary. لenna vecia  07:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I finished going through your categoricide and restored the appropriate cats. Empty cats are empty. Law type!  snype? 13:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Law. You rock!! لenna  vecia  20:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I finished going through everything, including empty maintenance cats and other inactive WikiProject pages. I think all that should be restored have been now. Thanks for your help, Law (and anyone else who jumped in to restore requests here). لenna  vecia  18:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorted. Thanks! Fences  &amp;  Windows  21:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

WTG
Law type! snype? 20:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Law. Yer teh best! لenna  vecia  04:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I really thought I was clever with this picture, however the dunce is pointing right at me. Law type!  snype? 04:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * WTG! لenna  vecia  04:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't know what it says about me that my first thought on seeing that picture was "klansman"… – iride  scent  15:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * O, you [expletive]!! XD لenna  vecia  15:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Your deletion of a maintenance category
Why did you delete Category:Articles needing coordinates from June 2009?? This is a maintenance category. It is created before the beginning of the month, and should be kept at least till the end of the month. Debresser (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Answer is up above. Apologies for the confusion. لenna  vecia  04:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not piling on Moral Support ... :P ... sorry, couldn't resist. — Ched : ?  04:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. Happens. Good luck! Debresser (talk) 19:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Category del-- just kidding!


Jennavecia, Unitanode has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
 * Hahaha... thanks. XD لenna  vecia  05:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

yea ... I think so

 * Thanks, Ched. :) لenna  vecia  15:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Larry Kelley (Kentucky politician)
What do you make of this mess? Is he notable? If so I guess it should just be cleaned up. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Current version is better than the previous, but notability issues remain. AFD is going well, so seems like it's being resolved. لenna  vecia  18:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a BLP disaster zone; I just tried to deal with the worst of it to start out. MastCell Talk 18:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for working on it. We can, perhaps, hope for a snow closure. لenna  vecia  18:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Already closed! It closed while I was adding my delete vote. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 18:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * \o/ لenna  vecia  18:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Bart Bast
Bart Bast was created by a sock of a banned user, with no substantial edits by anybody else. I believe the article could be speedied. Jehochman Talk 15:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Created by User:Rterrace. If he's a sock of a banned user, he should probably be dealt with before speedy deleting/reverting his contributions. لenna  vecia  15:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've blocked him for 72 hours to prevent further harassment, but this will be increased to indef as soon as checkuser confirms the link. It's a WP:DUCK situation but I still want a Checkuser 1/ to be absolutely sure, 2/ to find all the sleeper socks, and 3/ to get the underlying IPs, since harassment is involved.  Thanks. Jehochman Talk 15:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If a CU confirms, just speedy the article and close the AFD. Until then, however, I think it best to let the AFD ride. لenna  vecia  15:38, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's why I didn't speedy it myself. Jehochman Talk 15:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Bavarian Pigeon Corps
I have found a report of a scientific experiment that casts doubt on whether pigeons could carry 70 grams. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bavarian_Pigeon_Corps#Was_this_even_feasible.3F Albatross2147 (talk) 07:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm unpersuaded considering Neubronner trained his pigeons. لenna  vecia  14:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Rodrigo Montt Swett
Hi, the above article which was deleted 2 days ago for lack of notability has been created again by its original editor. Not sure what should happen next.......--AssegaiAli (talk) 11:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I PRODed it. لenna  vecia  14:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, it was deleted per AFD. I thought I'd speedied it. It's been speedied now. In such cases, tag the article for speedy deletion criteria G4. لenna  vecia  14:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to let you know that I deleted this as G4, since it appears to substantially identical to the version discussed at AfD. Thanks! TN X Man  14:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yea, I saw. Thanks. I incorrectly recalled this being an article I had speedied from the WP:NEWBLP list earlier this week. You made the right call. So again, thanks. لenna  vecia  14:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. I kept the article on my watchlist, as I had a feeling it might show up again. TN X Man  14:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

User page mark up question
Hey, when I try to insert this on my user page it completely messes everything up. Any idea how to fix this? — Please comment  R  2  19:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There appears to be a character limit to what will keep it on the left. I tried using and also tried , but neither worked. I tried adding part of it and it worked fine, but adding all of it moves it. Best suggestion, condense the wording and try again. I don't know the why of it, though. It doesn't make sense to me.  لenna  vecia  00:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Pigeons in aerial photography
Well it looks as though I owe you a sorta kinda (shuffles feet) apology regarding pigeons being able to carry a decent sort of weight whilst flying at the very least. Thanks to Hans soaring like an eagle the role of pigeons in this branch of photography is properly recognised in what is now a great little article - one that will no doubt have some more added to it in due course. Cheers. Albatross2147 (talk) 13:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. Hans has done a great job finding sources and rewriting the article. Very interesting stuff. لenna  vecia  14:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

BLP
You can put this absurd rumor to rest. I came to the article with Kim Bruning in order to fix a computer science article. Moulton was banned from the article and Picard didn't get it deleted, so she wanted her information about her work and the rest put into the article. We took the information and I worked it into a usable system. I also found news reports and the rest that talked about her research. Kim and I minimized the scandalous aspects and got it to a state that Picard was content with. I talked to her about the article over 4 times through email, especially when I was seeking clarification on AI (as I do not have a computer science background). Ottava Rima (talk) 19:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Proxying for a banned user, onoes! لenna  vecia  19:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You are a doll, when you want to be. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 19:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ya, ya. لenna  vecia  19:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it is odd that I am described as hating Moulton when I risked quite a bit to defend him and almost got him to come back (the three emails he sent to Jimbo removed that possibility). Perhaps it is because I risked a lot defending other people (like Malleus and others) that it is no longer anything "special" and so means nothing. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I never thought you "hated" Moulton (at least not anymore than most people), but it's one of those situations where I neither know nor care. The thread becoming about you is a derailment. لenna  vecia  19:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There are only four people at Wiki that I could say I hate (or even dislike). You are definitely not one, even though you can be a total jerk sometimes. That isn't a personal attack, because it describes your actions. :D Ottava Rima (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You said I can be a jerk, not that my actions are sometimes jerk-like. !! But I'm not offended by such comments anyway, because I have something many people here lack: self-awareness. :) It's more SPADE than NPA, really. However, I do prefer bitch to jerk. Jerk is too masculine. لenna  vecia  19:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't really think of you as either. Mostly, if I was to put a label it would be "Tool fan". You can make of that what you will. :P Ottava Rima (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oooh! Have I made your list of four? *Dan T.* (talk) 20:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think with a little ingenuity you can figure out a pattern that involves four specific individuals that may have done something enough to bother me. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Is that recently, or ever? ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum 00:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The last one came into my life approximately 20 June 2008 at 15:53 Wikitime. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, if block logs display in set timezones, considering mine is UTC -4, I would guess: Amirite? لenna vecia  04:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 11:53, June 20, 2008 Moreschi (talk | contribs | block) blocked Ottava Rima (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Persistent tendentious editing: will unblock when this editor actually acknowledges he's doing something wong) (unblock | change block)
 * Well, lets just say that if you match up the people in the Moreschi cabal and look at my RfA, you can see a strong mutual dislike. :) Folantin still causes problems over at Ludovico Ariosto. It is impossible to ever fix that page as she has made it clear that, well, she just doesn't care. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Clearly, you have a COI with that article. >_> لenna  vecia  14:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been dying to bring Ottava rima to FA level but I always feared someone challenging my CoI. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 14:15, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatev. Just do it. It's a rhyming scheme, not a company. لenna  vecia  14:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * From my experience, I doubt most people here would know the difference. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 14:33, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Do it anyway. لenna  vecia  14:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * WTF is wrong with me? Why am I supporting Peter Damian, especially after some of the crap he claimed about me and the Johnson page (refuted on his talk page and yet no response), when I could easily just burn him at the stake with the others? Sigh, a perfectly good opportunity all because I try to have these things called "ethics" and "morality". Isn't integrity supposed to make you feel better about yourself? Bah! Ottava Rima (talk) 02:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You will have your reward in Heaven Ottava, just as I will get mine in Hell. --Malleus Fatuorum 20:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea, what Malleus said. Ethics and morality have no place on Wikipedia, Ottava. Nor logic. You are, apparently, lost. لenna  vecia  23:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Happy 's Day!
For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Rlevse. لenna  vecia  04:27, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong support - J.delanoy gabs adds  00:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:NOTNOW. Law type!  snype? 03:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have blocked the above user for 24 hours for harassment. لenna  vecia  04:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Clear CoI. ++Lar: t/c 04:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Should we expect thunderstorms? It is a bit overcast and breezy... ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Nick Leddy
Hi, Nick Leddy meets notability criteria per WP:HOCKEY/PPF, I don't know how the article looked before deletion but if you restore it I will make sure it's up to standards tomorrow. Cheers! —Krm500 (Communicate!) 00:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's unreferenced and he's only a high school player. I assume having been drafted in the first round to the NHL is the claim to notability. I thought they had to play a game first. Either way, add a reference that establishes notability as soon as you're able, please. Thanks. لenna  vecia  00:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He has also won a major award. Did some quick improvements but will work more on it tomorrow. Thanks for your help. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 01:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi. Appologies for the kiddish copy-n-paste move, n thanks for the knowledge about wiki's workings :D --HFret (talk) 06:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem. :) لenna  vecia  06:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Civility/Poll
[Your ad here. Inquire for pricing.] لenna  vecia  16:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Bathgate
re: Andy Bathgate. Could you use the Sr./Jr. modifiers? — Ched : ?  17:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe that has to be sourced, and I don't think there are any such sources. لenna  vecia  18:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, since the grandfather started his career here (Pittsburgh), and the grandson was drafted on Sat. (Penguins), there's quite a bit of local press covering it. I don't know if the middle names are the same or not at this point. Perhaps a Andy/Andrew distinction will be made soon.  I'll keep an eye open (and maybe even actively do some searching! ;-O).  I'll see what I can find.  I'm actually a Pittsburgh Penguins fan, so it's not like some obscure topic I couldn't care less about.  I'll get back to you ASAP. — Ched :  ?  18:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * poor wording actually. Grandfather Bathgate actually ended his own personal career in Pgh. .by helping start the Penguins franchise — Ched :  ?
 * Bathgate sounds like some political scandal pertaining to baths! *Dan T.* (talk) 01:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Surely the Bathrobe Cabal is somehow involved... >_> لenna  vecia  01:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * bathrobe cabal? /me sneaks in to see if he can get a peek at something good :P lurking dirty old man 07:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * /me shoots the lurking dirty old man with a sawed-off shotgun for trespassing. Bad day for you. لenna  vecia  15:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

BLP question
I'm going to be vague, but on purpose. In your understanding of BLP - no matter how many "reliable sources" (news articles, journal articles, etc) claim that a crime was committed by people, Wikipedia cannot claim that a living subject actually committed a crime if the court did not convict them of that crime? Ottava Rima (talk) 00:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just email me the article. It's never wise to comment on real situations framed as hypothetical ones. لenna  vecia  00:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)