User talk:Industry shill

several serious technical and math errors
I would love to learn more about "several serious technical and math errors" in "The Bicycle Wheel" by Jobst Brandt. Could you elaborate? -AndrewDressel (talk) 16:18, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Comments by page # 11. Concrete analogy is flawed. Concrete has no tensile strength. Tensile strength is "created" by "borrowing" from compressive strength at the cost of lower net compressive. Aluminum rims have both tensile and compressive strength, so there is no net benefit from pre-load other than stiffness.

30. That is stress/strain for plain steel, not stainless steel, actual spoke wire. Stainless is correctly shown on p125. To not understand the "bump" in the shown curve is to not understand strain aging and/or fatigue.

35. Wheels do not collapse if spokes go loose. They become less stiff, but collapse is a function of rim strength, not spoke tension per se. Rims without excess compressive pre-load have more capacity for applied load.

39. The left-most ellipse shows "negative tension" - impossible in wire.

46. Only some spokes are swaged (hammered). Others are drawn or ground to shape. Brandt uses the term "swaged" where he should be using the term "butted" - the generic.

57.1. Anodizing is not observed to cause rim cracking. It is a function of excess spoke tension and rim extrusion anisotropy. 57.2. Ceramic does not cause rims to overheat. Clearly the author has no experience of use or has bothered to look up thermal conductivity of alumina/titania.

71. See 35.

72. "Correcting the spoke line" is a misnomer - bending a spoke before the hub hole has deformed is by definition going to create a non-alignment with the final form.

74. "Stress relieving" is a misnomer. Spokes are not observed to initiate fatigue in regions of high residual stress, but bending stress. The actual practice of over-tension serves to embed the spokes in the hub and rim, thus helping to ensure tension evenness, nut it does not address fatigue directly as "described".

105. The method described causes excess spoke tension. See 57.1.

119. The "formula" fails to account for spoke stiffness. Observe the Park Tools tensiometer calibration chart for 2.0mm titanium and 2.0mm stainless steel spokes for example.

131. Incorrect conclusion drawn. This calculation shows the effect of load on spoke length. The incorrect conclusion is "evidence" that higher strength derives from higher tension. It should be obvious from the lack of any material strength factors in the data input that it is impossible to arrive at a strength calculation as shown. Again, load is not strength.


 * These details are fascinating, but by now I hope you realize the difficulty with using them on Wikipedia. Without some recognized reliable source stating that there are "several serious technical and math errors" in the book, any attempt to say so will be considered original research. Has this been published anywhere else? -AndrewDressel (talk) 13:27, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Understand, but at the same time, why would self-evident mistake (eg 11, 30, 39, 46, 57.2, 119, 131) require citation? I can "cite" sources for flat earth theory, but that doesn't make it correct.  But this said, each point (this is merely a compilation) has been on rec.bicycles.tech and thus searchable on Google Groups for many years,  Re-posting hundreds of pages of r.b.t. is a daunting task, but if this is something you feel strongly about, since you're clearly interested in this field, you could start a (collaborative?) examination that would be citable.Industry shill (talk) 16:31, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I am interested. Let's talk off-line. You can find an email address here. -AndrewDressel (talk) 16:51, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

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 * Apologies. My priority with my limited time is correct information rather than learning Wikipedia syntax. Feel free to edit or assist.Industry shill (talk) 16:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

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