User talk:Infrogmation/Archive1


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Hello there Infrogmation, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you ever need editing help visit How does one edit a page and experiment at Sandbox. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Naming conventions or how to format them visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Help or add a question to the Village pump. BTW, nice work on the Blues and Jazz articles. Cheers! --maveric149

I'd like to thank you for adding a comment on A. Baldwin Wood to the Zuiderzee Works page. I wasn't aware of this bit of information, but after some research (e.g. see here all the way at the bottom) it turns out he was the inventor of the screw pump, which is indeed used in the pumping stations. I've edited your comment primarily for brevity, as I feel the article is overly long as it is, but Baldwin Wood certainly should be added. Scipius 18:33 Oct 7, 2002 (UTC)

Thanks. Wood is fairly well known here in New Orleans (and I recently visited some friends that live in Wood's former house). I'd heard mentioned that he also designed pumping systems for the draining of the Zuider Zee. Thanks for the link to the pdf cache-- I got some additional information from that article. If your Zuiderzee Works article is long, it looks to me to be well organized and appropriate for the topic. -- Infrogmation

I hadn't gotten around to saying hello, so "Hello!" Welcome to Wikipedia. I look forward to bouncing some more r&b, jazz, and rock&roll ideas off you in the future. Ortolan88 - Hello, I'd like to offer a belated welcome too. :-) I notice you've worked on some film entries, so I just wanted to let you know that Danny, Zoe, Eclecticology, & some other film buffs have subscribed to the filmtv list serv as a means of fact checking or posting questions when something comes up we can't find the answer to.  Cheers,  --KQ


 * Thanks for the welcome. I'm not a real film buff -- I have some friends who are, so I can tell I'm not :-) -- it was just a case of seeing something I could add to.  Best wishes, Infrogmation

- Thanks for great scans of the engravings! I am new to wikipedia, so I haven't done much yet myself, but I find wikipedia invaluable! Thanks, Jesse


 * Sure thing. Since I have a few late 19th century and early 20th century books and magazines in the clutter of my shelves, I thought I'd scan some relevent images. --Infrogmation 23:55 Nov 4, 2002 (UTC)

When I first came into Wikipedialand, I got into a squabble with the guy who wrote Cajun. It seems he's long gone, but the article still needs work. See Talk:Cajun for the squabble, my questions. I wonder if you'd be interested in improving it. (Unlesss that was you I got into the squabble with under another name, in which case, sorry, but it still needs work). Ortolan88


 * No, that wasn't me. Being from New Orleans I know that Cajuns are from the South Western part of the state, not here, but beyond that have no particular detailed knowledge about the subject.  I'd like to see that entry turned into a decent encyclopedia article, maintaining at least some of that colorful language if possible. Sorry, I'm not volunteering.  Cheers, --- Infrogmation 07:32 Nov 15, 2002 (UTC)

Ah, well, someday someone will fix it. Nice work on Muggles. Have you heard this story? Louis Armstrong was making a State Department trip to Moscow at the same time as Richard Nixon. They met in the airport and Nixon came over and said he was great fan and admirer and if there was anything he could do, he would be glad to. "Well, Mr. Vice President," Armstrong said, could you carry my bags over there for me?" Nixon was surprised, but complied, thus smuggling the band's stash through customs.  Ortolan88


 * Heh, yes, I'd heard that story. Not from any verifiable sources. I can picture it though...  -- Infrogmation

Hi - I just saw on your user page: "I'll leave writing the needed article on abstract impressionism to someone else" - is abstract impressionism something I don't know about, or do you mean abstract expressionism? If you do mean that, by the way, I think they're very pretty ;-) --Camembert


 * D'oh! Thanks for the correction-- and the fine article!   Certainly, it's a matter of taste, and that was a subject I thought would be better approached by  someone whose tastes were different than mine.  While I have some understanding of the creative impulse that would prompt an artist to make a work of abstract expressionism, I've never been quite sure why anyone else is supposed to want to spend time looking at it ;-)  -- Infrogmation

- Thanks for cleaning up History of Mexico. :-) I was trying to merge two different sources of text and it apparently resulted in some redundancy.  --KQ


 * Yes, thanks. The article still needs work, but it's getting better bit by bit. -- Infrogmation

- What is your source for History of the Philippines? This certainly isn't what is taught to us in school. There was very little mention of the Philippine Revolutionary Movement, a topic that is quite a history in itself.

I particularly take exception to this part:


 * "...the Asiatic Squadron, under Commodore George Dewey, defeated the Spanish fleet in the Battle of Manila Bay. This encouraged a large revolt against the Spanish by Filipinos, who looked upon the Americans as liberators."

This is misleading because it implies the Americans defeating the Spanish fleet is the spark that led to the Philippine Revolution. The Revolution started with the Propaganda Movement years before, which eventually led to the founding of the Katipunan, and later, with the help of the Americans, to the routing of the Spaniards.

Maybe if I have a bit of time, I can re-edit those parts. Nice job, by the way. :-)  --Eugene


 * Hm, I don't recall if I was the one who wrote that paragraph or not. My sources were a couple of books in my collection (all published in the USA over 50 years ago) supplimeted with a few websites I found on Google.  I certainly don't consider what I wrote a final version of the article; I just left it much improved from what was there before.  Further improvements welcome! -- Infrogmation 22:54 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Infrogmation. For Chichen Itza, I have yet unposted photos of the adoratorio, a section of the relief of skulls from the tzompantli, a relief of a jaguar and an eagle from the platform of jaguar and eagles, the chacmool and the red jaguar inside the castillo (dark pic..isnt the best) and some reliefs from inside the ballcourt. I don't want to overdue the chichen article...are there any of those I've listed you think are worth adding? The adoratorio is a at least one more good pic that I plan to add after I get it scanned in. I see that you're not the best speller...I won't give you a hard time about that any more. B


 * Thanks for adding the photos. If you have particularly good or illustrative pics, sure add them.  If the article starts to get too long we can always make some of the major structures into seperate articles.  I plan to scan some of my own photos of Maya ruins one of these days... also some good pix from pre WWI era books. -- Infrogmation 05:51 Jan 30, 2003 (UTC)

I see you're modest about your journal too. :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

Nice catch on Jump Jim Crow

Re HMV: What a dope; since I have no sense, I'd better go to bed. Ortolan88

I was banned before I could finish the articles on emir and shaikh. Now you will have to do it all by yourself. Vera Cruz

Thanks for the review of Stephen Decatur, but it turns out we're both wrong about how to format ship names - the "USS" and "HMS" are definitely not italicized, but they should be replicated inside the link so they go with the name, as in USS Hornet and HMS Resolution. Stan Shebs 17:17 Feb 11, 2003 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Infrogmation

Want to comment on my disambiguation proposal on the Stardust talk page? --AW


 * Stardust and associated pages look good now. -- Infrogmation

Let's please not start referring to all Americans as "USA". That's not even a nationality. -- Zoe


 * Yep...it should be Usian :)


 * Hm. Since an encyclopedia should value precision, I like using "USA" when practical instead of "America" or "American" as it is short, clear, and unambiguous. Do you think that this is wrong or inappropriate? Perhaps there is somewhere in Meta or such where this should be discussed?  Cheers, -- Infrogmation 20:52 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)

Discussion of when to best use terms like "American", "USA", etc moved to Talk:List of United States people (see).

BTW, I've wondered from some reactions I've seen: Does anyone consider the abreviation "USA" to be somehow insulting or deragatory? -- Infrogmation 23:37 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)

I am a new user of Wikipedia. I tried to adapt some material that I wrote about Dan Dennett's book Elbow Room for Wikipedia. I had previosly posted my work at my GeoCities website. Can you tell me what the correct method is for doing this? JWSchmidt 20:39 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)


 * Hi. Wikipedia has to beware of people trying to put copyrighted material without permission. When an unlogged in user places a large block of text that duplicates websites elsewhere it raises flags. It looks like in Talk:Elbow Room you explained the situation fine. Your text is now back in the article.
 * For future reference of others in similar situations, it might be a good idea to put a short explanation on the discussion page when adding a prexisting chunk of text to Wikipedia, as I did on Talk:Sidney Bechet. Other info at: Welcome, newcomers and Copyrights.
 * Welcome to Wikipedia -- Infrogmation 20:59 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your editing at Fletcher Henderson. I appreciate the improvements and, just as important, the demonstation of correct Wikipedia-style --User:SeanO (how does one add the time??)


 * Thanks. To put your user name in a comment, use three tildes (~) in a row. For time as well, make it 4 tildes. -- Infrogmation 22:48 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks again. Very handy. -- SeanO 00:15 Mar 11, 2003 (UTC)

Directing your attention to Champion Jack Dupree and Lester Melrose. When Champion Jack sings about "Rampart and Dumaine", what is the spelling of the second street and what is the significance of the intersection? Ortolan88


 * Rampart Street on both sides of Canal Street was heavily given over to entertainment establishments for African Americans. Dumaine is on the downtown side, on the edge of the French Quarter.  I'd have to do some research to know what clubs/bars/etc were at that intersection when Dupree made that record. -- Infrogmation

Rampart and Dumaine, address of J&M Records and J&M Studio of Cosimo Matassa. Ortolan88


 * Aha, of course! The uptown river corner of the intersection, IIRC. --Infrogmation

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 * Glad you asked... What system/browser are you using...? - &#35918&#30505


 * Usually Win98/Opera. Opera has several encoding options which include Chinese, Big 5, but switching to that and reloading didn't help; maybe I need to have fonts loaded somewhere? I had no beter luck with IE. --Infrogmation

Hmm. Maybe Unicode UTF-8 encoding is the issue... and try explorer again, but just do the winupdate - and select Chin and Jap options... let it do its thing and restart... I use 98 /IE6 and it works fine... Im running it in western ISO mode as well, so no need to change encoding... The big5 GB and Jis codes can be overkill... JIS x gets into 68,000 characters! useless... --- &#35918&#30505


 * Hm. I tried IE changing to ISO and UTF-8 and other "Encoding" options. I was sorta hoping for a link to something where I could figure out what to switch/upload myself. Ah well. --Infrogmation 22:08 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)

Ah. Ok. How about now? You need the update, I think... Ive got a speedy con, so its not a problem... 3mb isnt a joke on dialp. - &#35918&#30505sv

The Brownie was not the first camera using roll film. It was the first camera for the "man in the street", and the first camera produced in very large quantities, though. -- Egil 19:41 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I was aware that roll film somewhat predated the Brownie, but I was under the impression that the Brownie did much to popularize this still new medium. If someone can provide some historical data to Photographic film that would probably be useful. -- Infrogmation

RE: Irreversible (movie) - You made it sound as though a film is only controversial if it is released in North America. This film became controversial as soon as it came out all over Europe in Oct. 2002. At the premiere some people even vomited, most closed their eyes. Every critic labelled it the most crontroversial ever (at least one available in cinemas). I saw it today, I agree with them,it is by a country mile and then some! User:Black Widow


 * I think you miss the point I was trying to make. I think it's a bit premature to call any film (even if it currently arouses a great deal of controversy) "the most controversial in history" when it has been out for less than a year. If you really hold that this is undebatable, I think it's up to you to explain how it surpasses "Clockwork Orange", "Citizen Kane" etc etc in controversy.  Until then, qualifying with "one of" seems IMO more prudent. I suggest any further discussion of the topic should go on Talk:List of 'years in film' where more people interested in such discussion will see it.  Cheers, -- Infrogmation 02:33 Mar 16, 2003 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for the touch-up to the Brisbane, Queensland article, especially the rewording of the link back to Brisbane at the bottom (I'll be copying that). One question though. Why did you move the image down? Its previous location (top right) was not an accident. I'll watch this page until you reply. - Gaz 08:17 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)
 * While I was editing I moved the image down as it of a size that takes a few seconds to load on a dialup connection. That's just my preference to have a bit of text availible on top that can be read while the image loads. Put it back on top if you wish, but count to five or ten to yourself imagining nothing on the page is loaded to simulate the experience :-) -- Cheers, Infrogmation 08:37 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for that :). Can I just check, I see two delete links - one next to the image (del) the other the usual "delete this page" link at the bottom. Do I need to use both? or just the image (del)?  Sorry, I being dense tonight -- sannse 22:19 Mar 21, 2003 (UTC)

I enjoyed your aricle on "You Don't Know What You're Doin'".Though, I have to admit, I was surprised to see someone do an article on such an obscure cartoon. What prompted you to do the synopsis? You planning any more? BrianSmithson 21:55 Mar 24, 2003 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That's just a cartoon I like and I recalled enough off the top of my head to write some stuff. I don't have any specific plans, but may do a few more eventually if noone else does 'em first-- I'm most likely to do some of the cartoons with good hot jazz sound tracks. Keep up your great work on classic animation! Cheers, -- Infrogmation 00:17 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)

Why was I blocked!!! Danny


 * I don't know. I didn't block User:Danny. -- Infrogmation 04:55 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)

Actually, Frumpysnarf was linked to, but it's in the How to start a page page, so it's linked as http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frumpysnarf instead of the usual double brackets. That's why it doesn't show up with anything linking to it, but it's going to be created and re-created anyway. -- John Owens 01:17 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)


 * Aha; thanks. So, despite all the contributions to wikipidia, no one has yet written a decent article about Frumpysnarf :-) -- Infrogmation 01:27 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

With reference to the term "search string" on Booker T. Washington, would you mind explaing what this means? I'm a novice at computers, so bear with me. Thanks. User:JoanB


 * Sure. It's a minor point; there was nothing wrong with your fine work on the article. In sizable biographic articles I like including the subject's most commonly known name in the text as this helps people using Google or other internet search engines to find the page. As the text lists him by his full but less well known name of "Booker Talifero (T.) Washington", I replaced a couple of "he"s with "Booker T. Washington". Welcome to Wikipedia! Cheers, -- Infrogmation 16:45 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

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Hey, where did you read Nanook of the North referred to as a docudrama? I've always seen it listed as a documentary, and I study documentary film. (Incidentally, that constant reference throws some water on the (generally uninformed) assertion that Michael Moore doesn't make documentaries because of their stagings, but that's a topic for another day). Koyaanis Qatsi


 * That was from a conversation some 10 years ago with some film buffs at an alternative video store that rented Nanook. If you think the opinion I mention is inappropriate, be bold. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 05:32 Apr 21, 2003 (UTC)


 * I'll defer to documentary film makers; maybe I can find one canonical director who comments to that effect (I haven't so far, but I haven't specifically looked for a comment like that, either). Otherwise I'd rather remove it.  Koyaanis Qatsi


 * Fine, I took that comment out. -- Infrogmation

Wrt: Al Capone: When making an improved version of an image, I think it is much preferred to upload the new version with exactly the same name. There are then convenient methods to revert or delete the old version. Changing names, you will need to edit the article too, plus, the old image ends up as an orphan. -- Egil 11:48 May 4, 2003 (UTC)


 * Good point! I have sometimes done that (eg, at Adlai E. Stevenson) but did not with Capone. Thanks for explaining why that's prefered. -- Infrogmation 11:53 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

I have also been blocked, apparently because I'm on the same IP address as "Michael/Weezer." He probably used AOL, as I am right now, so blocking his IP might block a lot of other people as well. RL Barrett 22:38 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I'm not sure of the proper procedure here; I've brought it up on Village pump. -- Infrogmation 22:55 May 6, 2003 (UTC)

Why did you remove White House from Requested pictures? It currently only has 19th century pictures. --Eloquence 04:48 May 11, 2003 (UTC)


 * Sorry. I recall it was there when I put up those 19th century pictures months ago, and I hadn't seen any further action on it since. I didn't know that the request was still relevent. If you like, put it back there, perhaps with the specific request for a good recent photograph. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 04:53 May 11, 2003 (UTC)

Opps! Thanks for fixing my Mum's Day error. --mav 05:43 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! I was surprised we didn't have anything on White/Thaw/Nesbit, so...! -- Someone else 01:06 May 13, 2003 (UTC) - Good call on the Stillborn article/photo. I tried my warmest and fuzziest on the talk page to try and get a reasonable response, rather than an instant reversion from anon. I fear my warm and fuzzy is a little out of practice, more like a cold and balding :( -- Someone else 06:29 May 15, 2003 (UTC)

Re: Revert to saying "one of the longest lasting" unless you have written proof that the Tokaji advocates have surrendered

Good point, forgot about Tokaji. I see that crownestates-tokaji.com claims a bottle of 1641 was drinkable in the 1970s, which probably beats Madeira by a long shot. Still, 1799 Madeira still being bottled (12 bottles a year) has to count for something, right? Hey, you're not volunteering to write the Tokaji article and fully express their position, are you? Regards, Wnissen 21:00 20 May 2003 (UTC)


 * No, but I gave the Tokaji subject a stubby start. Thanks for your fine contributions about wine. Cheers, -- Infrogmation

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 * # (diff) (hist) . . M Epitaph Records; 04:32 . . Infrogmation (Talk) (Reverted to last edit by Black Widow)

Now there's something I thought I'd never see! :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

I just started an article at George Leybourne that I thought you might have something to add to (which I'd be glad for) - there's a bit of a connection to New Orleans and the Rex Krewe... -- Someone else 01:53 22 May 2003 (UTC)

Talk:Lee_Harvey_Oswald -- user_talk:hfastedge

I guess bad jokes and other deleted nonsense has fallen out of fashion. Oh well, it's good for a laugh when you have some spare time. :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

While I didn't check the rest of the names on the list of famous Lithuanians, I do think Daffy Duck was not on the list, however the "voice" of Daffy Duck, Mel Blanc was on the list... YMMV, but I think your deletion might have been slightly quick. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo stick 16:43 31 May 2003 (UTC)


 * You may be right. The article certainly looked a mess, a quick glance showed many non-Lituanians with no indication of their possible Lituanian ancestry. I now moved it to Talk:List of famous Lithuanians, which I almost did at first. -- Infrogmation 16:55 31 May 2003 (UTC)

Odds on the list is infact a dud. But there may be something to salvage from it. And it may not be maliciously intended. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo stick 17:09 31 May 2003 (UTC)

June 2003
The last two Liam Lynchs you wrote about were the same person :) LittleDan 16:50 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I was wondering if they might be, but I didn't find anything in 5 min on Google confirming it. Long live the wonders of the informal peer-review of Wikipedia! -- Infrogmation 16:56 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)

In case you didn't already know, I've created a group watchlist of sorts at Favorite pages of banned users to help with tracking when Michael is vandalizing (and any future vandals like him). So feel free too use it, I have already found it helpful, and please add to it when he vandalizes more. Thanks. MB 22:11 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi, I'm trying to add a bit about John Densmore's drumming for the article on the Doors, but I keep seeing it referred to as "jazz drumming." Is there in fact, anything such as "jazz drumming"--distinct characteristics of drumming in jazz, which Densmore's drumming shares? Or is "jazz drumming" a term, much like "uptempo," created by non-musicians to describe music? Koyaanis Qatsi 20:42 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * Hm, there is such a thing as jazz drumming, but it's more than one single style. That might warrent an article in the future. Sorry, I don't have any particular reccomendations for the Densmore article. --Infrogmation

Hi- Thanks for your efforts in cleaning up the list of people by name listings. I've been copying descriptions wholesale from other lists where the names show up; it's good to have some better edits. Thanks! -- Amillar 17:58 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * Thank you for all your work in the name listings. --Infrogmation 18:51 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi... why was the sentence "it is believed to have functioned as pets in the Mayan and Aztec civilizations" removed from my Mexican Hairless article?
 * See: Talk:Mexican Hairless. --Infrogmation 18:51 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Jolly good job~ Pizza Puzzle

Hi. I'm not clear of the point of the png added to Condor, which looks like a 19th century drawing. Whilst it's not as bad as the cartoon bird I've just removed from finch, I'm not sure it adds to the article either, especially as I can't tell which condor it is supposed to be. As it happens, Californian Condor is one of the few birds for which there are lots of good public domain images. If it is just a matter of adding another image, I'd rather add another good quality jpg. Let me know your views, or if I've misunderstood something. jimfbleak 05:38 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * Replied to at User talk:Jimfbleak

I see you uploaded to the article Oakland Motor Car. Could you please provide the name, Vol. And issue # of the 1917 magazine this photo came from so as to be certain in case someone questions our copyright and source. Thank you. ChuckM 03:31 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * Nov 24 1917, page 24, of a USA national weekly of the era. No volume or issue number given. Further info, or scans of sections of that issue in my personal collection, availible upon specific request. Any reason you're asking about that particular one? --Infrogmation 03:55 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

See User:ChuckM for the reason... Evercat 03:56 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my mistake in Melbourne Beach, Florida. I can't believe I wrote that Ponce De Leon was the first person in Florida! Paullusmagnus 19:04 30 Jun 2003 (UTC)

July


From VfD: "Unless some football fan thinks this is worth fixing (perhaps making the goat article a redirect to a team article), I'd say sacrifice the goat." - That made me chuckle. :-) --Eloquence 23:49 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I have a couple of minor issues to raise. Unfortunately, I don;t seem to be capable of raising them briefly.

1. I saw you reverted Art Blakey to a version with date links. I've been removing irrelevant date links from all the jazz stubs I've been creating, in line with Make_only_links_relevant_to_the_context. However, this isn't an issue I feel deeply about, and I don't want to get into reversion battles over the issue (I did by accident remove the date links again -- at my age you assume that your memory's wrong before you assume someone else restored them -- but have now re-reverted to the linked version). So I thought before doing any more link removal I'd ask if you have any firm opinion on this issue. Incidentally, I am the Jfitzg who started the Blakey article.


 * Okay, forget that issue. now Hephaestos is restoring the date links, too. Who am I against so many? Still interested in the next question, though. Trontonian


 * While the relevency of some dates are debatable, it seems to me that both Make_only_links_relevant_to_the_context and Biography standards suggest the birth and death dates of people should be wikilinked. I noted that you were taking those out too. BTW, as you can observe in the article history, you were not logged on while you were doing those edits; I saw someone with no Wikipedia User history except for removing links from articles. This made me (and perhaps others) more scheptical of just what you were up to. --Infrogmation 21:19 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * A littler learning was a dnagerous thing for me, then. I don't see the point of linking the birth dates, but I'll do it. Thanks. I'll take the condescending remarks off my user page, too. Trontonian


 * Heh, I hadn't noticed "the condescending remarks" while they were there. Infrogmation

2. I liked your expansion of Jazz standard. It's much more useful now. I had earlier added "Bags' Groove" to the instrumental list, but am still wondering whether it's substantial enough to qualify as a standard. What do you think? Trontonian


 * Kudos for your fine contributions in jazz related topics. While I enjoy listening to many styles, my research has pretty much been limited to the early (pre- Swing era) stuff, and I can't claim any expertise for the later stuff. Perhaps you could google search that title and see how many hits it gets compared to titles of other standards? Um, in other words, my answer is "Sorry, I don't know". Cheers, -- Infrogmation 21:19 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * Thanks. My knowledge of jazz has developed from my early fondness for Jackie McLean and Dizzy Gillespie. I'm mainly familiar with the people they played with. Jazz is such a huge field that no one can know a lot about it, and the musicians are continually changing it -- it's music controlled by the people who play it. Trontonian


 * Cool. I had the privledge to hear Dizzy play back in the early '80s. Jazzily, Infrogmation 05:33 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Re: Lower Middle Earth in League. This was an oblique reference to Bored of the Rings that I put in months ago and had thought got taken back out. Shouldn't have gotten back in, really Williamv1138

-- Great article! I should read Wikipedia more often. --mav 04:50 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Re the specific reference, it's here on The Guardian site; I didn't link to it as it only mentions bathing machines in passing, but might be of interest about history of going to the beach.   You should read Wikipedia more often?! Is that physically possible? -- Infrogmation 05:26 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * LOL - I guess I'm a work-a-holic. --mav

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