User talk:Infrogmation/Archive July September 05

Archive of old discussion, User talk:Infrogmation for July, August, and September of 2005

What American really means
I'm glad you define American as from North or South America not just the United States. American really does mean that. Everytime I elimanate usage of American referring to the United States this dumb fuck Firebug reverts it back. Please help if this ever happens again. By the way if anyone ever reverts the inaccurate usage of American please contact me and I'll help you get to the bottom of it. Heegoop, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Except it's contrary to plain writing. "American" is near-universal usage. People know it refers to citizens of the U.S.A. and there's no disrespect to residents elsewhere in the hemisphere. In geography contexts, of course, you might want more precision.


 * I also disagree, respectfully, with personal name-calling like "dumb..." I hope everyone agrees that collaboration thrives on civility.
 * DavidH 30 June 2005 21:08 (UTC)


 * I've stated my position in detail a number of times; in short I prefer specific to portentially ambiguous terms. Use of American has been one of the long term running discussions on Wikipedia. Thanks for the feedback and offer of help, but I have to agree that calling people who use the term differently "dumb" is inappropriate and needlessly insulting; please see Civility. Thanks, -- Infrogmation July 1, 2005 06:43 (UTC)


 * I removed the "American" link from this discussion as part of the efforts in Disambiguation Link Repair. Since you seem to be interested in this subject, I also found the page Alternative words for American. There seems to be a very lively discussion on this talk page as well. EWS23 17:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

České Budějovice and Plzeň
Infrogmation, I have noticed that NoPuzzleStranger initiated changes to both articles. He is pushing a wording change to foreign name references indicating that Pilsen and Budweis are not current English name alternatives.

I have found several examples of current use of both Pilsen and Budweis in English language texts by the local population, including the municipal web site of the City of Pilsen. Obviously, both names are used by foreigners as well - for historical or practical reasons. I wonder what your thoughts were on this since you have evidently initiated the České Budějovice article including the paragraph in question. Jbetak 1 July 2005 22:02 (UTC)


 * Back when the Czech lands were part of the Austrian & Austro-Hungarian Empire, English language map makers often took their cue from the German map makesr as to naming. Certainly the old German names should be mentioned, but I don't know if they should be called English language names unless there is substantial English usage of that name. "Pilsen" I think is an example where that case can indeed be made; I'm not sure of other examples being wide spread. -- Infrogmation

Thank you
Thank you for the welcome. I believe some of the info there will come in quite handy.Bjones 2 July 2005 02:14 (UTC)

Tea Sucking
Froggie, I noticed your name among those who had voted to delete Tea Sucking. I voted to delete it myself. Uncle G subsequently did a very radical rewrite; I'm happy to change my vote from delete to keep and even if you don't want to join me in this I think you'll find the new article worth a look. -- Hoary July 2, 2005 07:22 (UTC)
 * Heh, that's one article I didn't think was worth rewriting to save, but I see it was totally re-done from a dubious article about a non-notable practice to a well researched article about a different practice that I guess squeeks in with adiquate notability. I've modified my vote accordingly. -- Infrogmation July 2, 2005 13:01 (UTC)

American cats
I was just going over the comments on the American Dependencies CFD, and I was wondering whether you are arguing in favour of renaming all the "American" categories (except, of course, things like American Idol Contestants), or whether you were opposed to re-naming non-US cats. Thanks. Guettarda 3 July 2005 05:01 (UTC)
 * I am indeed in favor of renaming categories using "American" as a potentially ambiguous adjective (I do not count examples like the one you site where usage is made specific in the context of the title itself, or where the category name is quoting a title). I'm aware that would be a fair sized project. -- Infrogmation

Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure - again!
Infrogmation, please stop reverting edits on Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, you know it was copyrighted and published in 1988. -- Mike Garcia | talk 4 July 2005 03:12 (UTC)
 * I just explained my single revert on Talk:Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure. Please try to discuss issues calmly there. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 4 July 2005 03:14 (UTC)


 * And your answer is there. -- Mike Garcia | talk 4 July 2005 03:17 (UTC)


 * I just got a message from Danny and he told me we should leave it alone for now. He said he will look into it for some sort of type of case. -- Mike Garcia | talk 4 July 2005 03:44 (UTC)

Meetup
I'm thinking about a meetup for people in our part of the country. Since it would be a central location, a cheap destination, and I think I could get some favorable incentives from the chamber of commerece for people who come, I'm thinking of Marshall for the venue. Though other options certainly could be considered and no time has been set. Do you think you'd be interested? -JCarriker July 6, 2005 11:20 (UTC)
 * Hypothetically I'd be "interested" in a meetup, though the logistics of anything likely to take a full day or more out of town (including transportation time) make it a bit daunting, so I don't feel I can give you anything stronger than a "maybe, it depends".  Hmmm, looking at the weather projections, maybe if it could be combined with the next time I have to evacuate New Orleans for a hurricane? :-) Seriously, why don't you set up a "Wikipedia:Meetup South Central United States" page (or some such name) for discussion. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 6 July 2005 14:38 (UTC)

Universal Music Group/MCA
Just go to the External Link for the website on the article page. Thanks. Ted Wilkes July 8, 2005 13:49 (UTC)


 * Re your question. Originally a music company, new owners renamed it MCA, Inc. and turned it into a conglomerate. I think the evolution is pretty easy: MCA, Inc, the parent company, changes its name then changes a division's name. -- MCA, Inc. (operating parent company) created through acquisitions and/or new ventures various entities that were collectively managed and reported on financially for monitoring growth as "MCA Music Entertainment Group" (operating division). After changing their legal corporate name from MCA, Inc. to Universal Studios, Inc., they appropriately changed the name of their division, "MCA Music Entertainment Group" to "Universal Music Group." Legally entity wise, and in terms of B/S and P&L reporting, nothing changed, just names. (Do not confuse the acquistion by the Bronfman holding company that purchased control of the parent operating company.) I don't have a lot of interest in this, other than perhaps the less than brillant moves by Bronfman, Jr. which cost his family several billion dollars and saw them lose control over a great distilling empire and brand name. However, I'm certain you are more qualified than me on music stuff but my background is corprate finance (M&A, restructuring) but I really do not want to write on things I did as a career - fluff is easy and fun. However, if you can't figure out the corporate structure let me know and I'll take a shot at merging them when I get a chance. Thanks. I hope I haven't confused you and made it worse! Good luck. Ted Wilkes 14:44, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Barger photo
I obtained "public domain" copyright status from Jorn Barger for the photo uploaded in the article on him by writing to his email address. I saw you'd inquired about it at the Robotwisdom wikipedia username, and I had been thinking the same thing. I did ask him for GFDL but he said "just make it public domain"; since it's a self portrait that is good enough permission. I've now tagged it. &mdash; Emerman 8 July 2005 15:50 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Infrogmation 8 July 2005 19:04 (UTC)

Green Day, AGAIN!
Hi there....

I just wanted to report to you that Mike Garcia has again gone and reverted my proven and correct dates of release for 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours. Evidently, banning him for 2 days is not enough to get him to stop behaving in this childish manner. He also left somewhat of a threatening message on my talk page.

Can this be resolved for once and for all?

Thanks

PetSounds 9 July 2005 18:38 (UTC)

PS - I've ventured further and saw that he also deleted the 39/Smooth page (which was the original release of the album in 1990 - which is where his stubborn confusion on the release date arises from) and added a re-direct. I've undone and restored everything - only once.

I really don't appreciate being threatened on my own talk page.

Thanks...

PetSounds 9 July 2005 18:52 (UTC)


 * PetSounds, I am trying to correct your information to prove it, but you keep refusing to check my sources. By the way, I am not threatening you, I am trying to avoid your edits on those pages with inaccurate information. Besides, nobody cares about your corrections, anyway. -- Mike Garcia | talk 9 July 2005 19:13 (UTC)


 * Ahem. *waves* I for one care about his corrections. If you can find a source other than the album cover that says 1990, then your opinion might be worth considering. the wub  "?/!"  9 July 2005 19:17 (UTC)


 * Hi to both of you. Most of us here at Wikipedia care about accurate information, therefore we care about corrections. Mike, I don't understand your statement "about trying to correct your information to prove it". I havn't looked at your sources yet, but it's great you if you are listing sources for your information. Again, discuss any disagreements by calmly listing and evaluating sources on talk, and avoid edit wars. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 9 July 2005 19:23 (UTC)


 * Infrogmation, it's at the talk page of the band and Petsounds' talk page. Their official website also says the correct year (1990). -- Mike Garcia | talk 9 July 2005 19:26 (UTC)
 * Good then; I assume you've posted a link to that on the talk page discussion? Remember that siting your sources and evidence is especially important when there is disagreement. -- Infrogmation

Their website is all fancy flash so I can't point you direct to the source but that says 1990 for 39/Smooth, not 1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours which was released later. They are not the same album. the wub  "?/!"  19:34, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Bob Dylan pages
Hi again. I've spent the last while refurbishing and improving all of the articles on Bob Dylan's albums, making them much more informative, and as of last night this user named "monicasdude" keeps reverting my info (on many of the over-40 album entries), deciding it is "inaccurate" and "wrong" (although my info is from reliable sources) and he keeps erasing all the hard work I've done, even telling me that I'm "screwing up" the pages. I reminded him they were not HIS alone, and that others were free to improve upon them, which I have, but I had to restore my work again this morning. Which means that this fellow is in jeopardy of violating the 3RR rule. Examples are John Wesley Harding, Planet Waves and Bob Dylan discography. His deletions are also reinstating poor cover images that I improved on, as well as proper formatting (especially the discography page - which, if you compare, you'll see that the albums section was messy, while I made it more presentable and practical). PetSounds 13:26, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Please don't harass the admins when you have edit disputes, especially since you consistently refuse to provide any references or factual information to support disputed positions. It is remarkably inappropriate here, for example, to change the titles of pages discussing Bob Dylan albums to reflect your preferred versions of the titles rather than the official titles used on the albums and documented on the artist's website, nor is it appropriate to repeatedly insert text declaring an album has been deleted from the artist's catalog when it is offered for sale on the artist's official website. You are not the only person who works hard on their contributions, but you seem to have a uniquely elevated view of the value of your own contributions and a demonstrated lack of interest inachieving consensus. Monicasdude 05:42, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

N'awlins thanks
I like your name-- might you be a fellow New Orleanian? Either way, Cheers, -- Infrogmation 17:39, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your welcome--I appreciate it. In my heart I am from New Orleans, but not in reality.  It is my favorite US city.  Tchoupitoulas 21:02, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Bleedy is back, again
Bleedy 18:33, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Classicjupiter2" in the meantime, I agreed to a consensus with Stirling and Sparkit to leave out the Revolution passage out of the Surrealism article.Classicjupiter2 22:27, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/3.14
Given your prior involvement in the discussion of a related article, you may wish to participate in this discussion. Uncle G 01:56:51, 2005-07-25 (UTC)

massive floods in Mumbai
Why not page on massive floods in Mumbai? pradeepsomani

Bleedy is harrassing me again
I already told this person to stay off my user page and to stop harrassing me. Here is Bleedy's post from today,
 * Let's work together, Keith
 * Hey Keith, wanna work on an article together? How's Francine doing these days? --Bleedy 19:40, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Please help me and keep this person away from my talk page. Thank you.Classicjupiter2 00:08, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Another Bleedy post from August 2, 2005. Please keep him off my discussion page and to stop calling me Keith and to leave this artist alone and stop using Wikipedia as a forum to harrass me and this artist and also whatever issues this Bleedy has, to please go away.Classicjupiter2 00:59, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Vote for Mike Garica
Please feel free to vote for me at Requests for adminship/Mike Garcia 2. -- Mike Garcia | talk 14:52, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism
I noticed that you have previously blocked User:66.4.225.11 for vandalism. While they have been thankfully absent from editing for a while, the anon IP has unfortunately returned to editing (and vandalising) today. I reverted the changes that I could find; could you please block the user again? Thank you. jglc | t | c 14:23, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Homosexuality
Thanks for that block. However, you should know that he vandalizing from both  and. &middot; Katefan0(scribble) 18:00, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Regarding your reversion of my disambiguation...
Fixing the 5000+ links to "American" is our major project right now at Disambiguation pages with links. I understand your desire to maintain the exact wording of your discussion in Category talk:American actors, but can we arrive at some way to achieve that without linking to the disambiguation page? Perhaps you could delink the term, or direct the link to "America (disambiguation)" instead? Cheers. -- BD2412 talk 23:07, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * I rather think that this was a reasonablee and rare exception to the generally good rule to elimiate links to disambiguation pages. Thanks for your good work in fixing the piles of links in article space. As the link is in a talk page discussion rather than article space, I don't see that leaving it is harmful. However if you feel strongly that leaving it is some sort of impediment or problem, I suppose I can remove or rewrite my discussions if you think I need to. Thanks for contacting me, -- Infrogmation 16:00, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

RE: Meetup
Sorry for the lag in response time. Would you mind if a set up the meet up as tentatively in Marshall? I think some people in nearby Longview may be interested in helping set things up. I'd create a subpage in my userspace and move it to meetups when we know more, I wouldn't want it to become one of those embarassing neglected request on the page. Thanks. -JCarriker 16:07, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Vasco da Gama
An article that you've edited before (Vasco da Gama) is nominated for Article Improvement Drive. If you want go there and vote. Thanks. Gameiro 02:58, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Just a personal question
I read that you are fm New Orleans. Just out of curiousity, I am wondering where are you editing Wikipedia now. And would you consider going back there (if it is ever possible)? Or may it be the case the entire population of the city have to be relocated elsewhere? (Think Tuvalu, "The population may evacuate during the next decades to New Zealand, or Niue, a small Pacific island (independent but associated with New Zealand) that isn't threatened by sea level rise, but does have decreasing population.") SYSS Mouse 12:34, 31 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm currently a refugee in Florida. I hope to return home to help rebuild my beloved home town whenever such is possible. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 19:03, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Sending blessings to you, Frogman. My people in Shreveport tell me a lot of New Orlineans are up that way, with their children enrolled in schools there. Glad to know you are safe and well. DeeCee reportedly is planning to send buses to transport 400 refugees here to our National Guard Armory by Labor Day, and fundraisers are being held all over. Take heart. deeceevoice 18:54, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to see your alright, I've been helping coordinate some on-line reliefe efforts, and will still be doing so. Actually, now that I know your OK, I'm only have to find someone I went to high school with. If you need a more long term arrangemnet let me know and I'll find someone in Marshall who'll take you into their home. Like Shreveport, we are also taking in many refugees. -JCarriker 11:24, September 4, 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks much. I'm still hoping to be able to get back sometime. After another 5 days to a week here in Florida I'll probably be heading west, most likely to take up the offer of an old friend in Austin if I still can't go back to NOLA. However a day or two somewhere might be helpful in transit depending on circumstances; if so I'll let you know if that's something to look in to. Sincere thanks to you. All the best wishes, C.M. Infrogmation 18:36, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

With little to add to what has just been said, I share all the feelings of sympathy expressed above. Good luck.--CSTAR 15:34, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Ditto on the above. Good luck on return to your home town, I hope to visit it some time. &mdash; PhilHibbs | talk 14:08, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard
I have created a new project page at Bureaucrats' noticeboard, and Secretondon suggested that I tell my fellow bureaucrats about it. It's designed as a forum where users with bureaucrat rights can discuss difficult situations, either beforehand (for advice about what to do) or after taking action (for review and feedback). It's similar to another page I created, which is starting to catch on (e.g., Jimbo used it this August): account suspensions, which is not for 3RR or simple vandalism but for close calls and disputed blocks.

Please take a look at these new project pages and give some feedback. Good idea? Bad? Needs improvement? --Uncle Ed 12:25, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Binary File
NatureBoy 20:41, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I removed the reference to P-26_Peashooter in Boeing_247 under "Related Content, Designation Sequence, 248 and 266" because the referenced page "P-26_Peashooter" is a binary file. Never saw this before in wp. This binary file also comes up when searching for "P-26_Peashooter" from the left menu. I downloaded the file and scanned for viruses and it came up clean. Any ideas? Looks like it needs an Admin intervention to remove it.

NatureBoy 13:40, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I put back the removed references as the linked page now works, also added 281 to sequence to match the peashooter page. Looks like the problem has been fixed.

Your recent reverts
Good call, particularly the link to the "Mayan pyramids of Teotihuacan". Ouch. –Hajor 18:47, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

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