User talk:Infrogmation/Archive October December 05

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Pickford
I hope you don't mind, but I replaced your photo of Mary Pickford with an improved one and put your June 2003 one up for speedy deletion. - Ted Wilkes 17:01, 1 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I really wish you hadn't speedy deleted it. Like many images I upload, that was scanned from vintage paper sources in my own collection. (As yet I don't know if any of my vintage paper collection still exists.) What ever happened to moving old illustrations to the article talk page when a new one was uploaded? I liked that practice. Moving images to the Commons is also often a good option. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 10:21, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * And for that matter, what Criteria for speedy deletion did that qualify under? Puzzled, -- Infrogmation 11:12, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

My only concern was quality. I'm not sure how a poor quality image coming from a "vintage collection" is relevant here, but I regret if my sincere effort to enhance and improve the Mary Pickford article offended you. And, I labelled it for "Speedy" deletion as it has no other value that I could attest to. However, for whatever reason you certainly may change it to something that pleases you. - Ted Wilkes 14:00, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I think if you will review the above link, the fact that Wikipedia now has a different, better illustration is as far as I can see NOT a criteria for speedy deletion! One may list it for deletion, but speedys are very specific cases. Please be more careful in the future; deleting information that may have been unique to Wikipedia and possibly may no longer be accessible in any format anywhere else without allowing time for consideration or discussion is IMO inappropriate. -- Infrogmation 05:11, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

RE: Meetup
I hope you find the Live Music Capital of the World to your liking. I made a post on this page that did not recieve a response, and I'd like one as soon as convenient. Here is the big question: Would you mind if a set up the meet up as tentatively in Marshall? I think some people in nearby Longview may be interested in helping set things up. I'd create a subpage in my userspace and move it to meetups when we know more, I wouldn't want it to become one of those embarassing neglected request on the page. Thanks. -JCarriker 16:07, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
 * Bonjour mon ami. Puis-je demander que vous repondrez s'il vous plait. Merci. -JCarriker 23:48, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Feel free to put a link to any page about regional meetups on my talk page. As I'm still currently worrying about such things as finding someone willing/able to patch large holes in the roof of the house I'm living in (after nearly a month), planning for travels is still something I'm not committing to at present. -- Infrogmation 04:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to see your not doing well. I'll putter about and setup a page and inquire with others, but we won't meet until you are in a postion to come. Your concerns are more import. -JCarriker 00:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Welcome home
Glad to see you're back in New Orleans. –Hajor 23:21, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Ditto. I noticed you're back contributing somewhat regularly, so I assume/hope things are beginning to settle down for you again, and that there is some stability, comfort and joy for you once again in NO. Peace 2 u. deeceevoice 21:52, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * What Hajor & deecee said. -JCarriker 08:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Barrison Sisters
Hello, I am trying to track down a high resolution copy of the famous photo of the Barrison sisters you posted (kittens in their laps). From what I can gather, this photo is in the public domain, and not part of some family archive or what not. I would appreciate any advice you might have regarding how I could get a better resolution pic. Thanks, User:Casseyk (Sorry, I"m new to this and don't know how to code my user name properly)
 * I fixed the link for you. In the future just add 4 tildes (~) in a row and it puts your sig and the date automatically.Ooops, it looks like you havn't logged in and edited under that user name. You need to log in to get a user name page and talk page. Drop me a note after you take care of that; I think I can find the source PD book. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 05:05, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, I made a user name and talk page. Thanks! Casseyk 19:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

1947 Fort Lauderdale Hurricane
Do you have sources for the stuff you added here? You say the hurricane did $100million in damage to New Orleans, but the total damages for the storm are given as $110 million. So what gives? Jdorje 18:11, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It was mostly from 3 or 4 websites. I'm not sure which one I got that figure from, but the same number of $100 million is quoted at http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/hurricane-risk-new-orleans.htm and I know I've seen it elsewhere. Good catch that those two figures don't seem to jibe; perhaps they're estimates from different sources. BTW, I suspect whatever figure of New Orleans is probably for the whole Metro area; folks who remember it say suburban Jefferson Parish got much more damage than the city proper-- it flooded there, while the levees held in the city in '47. Maybe more research to determine just where both monitary figures were from and what they specifically refer to would be good to improve the article. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 02:29, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Barrison Sisters Question
Hey Infrogmation. Just wondering if you found any source books for the Barrison Sister pic. I've got a page up. Thanks! -- Casseyk 00:45, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I added that info to Image:BarrisonPussy.JPG. (Back when I first uploaded it, for some reason it was not common practice to mention the PD era book things were scanned from, which is why I didn't at the time.) Cheers, -- Infrogmation 23:38, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Image:Domitian.JPG
You insert PD in this image, can you explain why? There are some more images like that and none of it is public domain. --Saperaud 17:52, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I fear I don't reall at present. Possibly it was the tag on the .it version at the time, or similar to other images uploaded at the time? By and large I tend to be conservative about retagging others' uploads as PD. If you suspect it is a problem image, I have no contradictory evidence, sorry. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 23:25, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
 * same problem at Image:Pompeygr.JPG. Please try to clear these licenses, tag them as unlicensed or get them deleted (about 20 of them are at en, some in other wikipedia, 2 in commons). --Saperaud 00:24, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If you wish to second guess my call on images I didn't upload that don't have a specific sources listed, I have no objection to your tagging them "no source" or what you think best. Is there anything else you need of me? Cheers, -- Infrogmation 02:36, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about and . Copyright issues should be taken very serious. --Saperaud 04:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh, yes, I do take copyright issues very seriously-- I used to be very active in WP:PUI and WP:CP when I had more time to devote to Wikipedia. Looking at these images, I see they were uploaded by User:Isis, who was notorious for not giving sources. I recall discussion some time back about what to do; I took care of listing a few hundred Isis images on WP:PUI and deleting them, but IIRC it was suggested that there was no need to delete the photos of ancient artworks, as they were mechanical reproductions of public domain images. Do with the Isis images what you think best. -- Infrogmation 16:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Continued vandalism from IP 213.166.17.25
Further to your comment on 213.166.17.25's talk page on 18 Oct, this vandal is continuing to carry out childish, homophobic vandalism. As an admin, are you able to take any further action? Thanks, CLW 09:50, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Reblocked. -- Infrogmation 17:45, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Turkey in the Straw
Hi, Infrogmation. I just noticed that you reverted the edits to the "Turkey in the Straw" article that were made by an anonymous user 4.235.90.172. The anon seems to have deleted some information that should probably have stayed, but the bulk of the new information seemed pretty good. Was it copyvio? Or should we try to merge some of it back? —BrianSmithson 20:44, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Eeep. I reverted on the basis of the anon's last edit, which removed some wikilinks. I see now that some of their edits were reasonable additions. Yes, I suppose merging versions is appropriate. -- Infrogmation 22:21, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * No worries. I've merged them. —BrianSmithson 03:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Cheers, -- Infrogmation 04:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Not orphan images
Thanks for deorphantagging Image:USRegalRecord1Big.jpg. In the future, please stick the notorphan template on such pages as it will prevent such confusion. Thanks! --Gmaxwell 05:53, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Surrealism article, the imposter is back
The user, keith-wigdor is back harrassing the real artist on this discussion page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Surrealism This user went and created a website that defames, slanders and harrasses this artist and I want to report this to you so that this user does not use Wikipedia to harrass this person.Classicjupiter2 01:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Block of 169.139.224.10
Today you blocked 169.139.224.10 for one month for repeated vandalism. You may not have known that this is a shared school IP; as such, I think a shorter block period is appropriate. As it happens, it also catches legitimate editor Luigi30. Can you please revise the block length so that the user can edit today? I have also put a note on WP:AN/I about it, in case you don't get this message until later. Thanks! Demi T/C 19:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I see at WP:AN/I that it has already been taken care of. Hm, too bad major vandalism has been coming from that ip, but a good user edits via it. -- Infrogmation 01:58, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Welcome right back
Thanks for the welcome. I trust you're doing okay in New Orleans. I plan to be there before the end of the year. Just edited the Industrial Canal article, then noticed that you'd edited it about 20 minutes earlier. Hope I didn't interfere with a current edit. Will check out the six links for newcomers. -- Muffuletta 16:39, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the copy-edit. Red beans & ricely, -- Infrogmation 17:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Unsigned comment about the 9th Ward
I'm a little hazy since I no longer get to travel to and from my upper 9th ward house on a daily basis, but I seem to recall having to cross the industrial canal to get to it every time. For your information, the industrial canal isn't the actual boundery for any part of the 9th ward. It's simply the functional geographic boundery, and that's all I've ever meant by calling it a boundery.

I encourage you to review the webpage that I linked to the 9th Ward page on wikipidia when I first started it to learn more about New Orleans ward bounderies. You'll find that Almonaster is the official western boundry. I make no comment on the boundery for the bywater neighborhood, because to my knowledge, it isn't an officially bounded territory, but the 9th ward is. I propose we make an agreement to be consistant on calling the industrial canal a boundry for the entire 9th ward, or refrain from calling it a boundery at all.
 * Hi. Please sign and put in proper order any comments on my talk page, thank you. I see no external links on the Ninth Ward of New Orleans page. The page could indeed be improved. There are "official" (meaning city political limits) and unofficial (meaning just what people call it) neighborhood boundries in New Orleans, and some of our articles are not always clear on definitions we're using. Bywater is not a political division, but is traditional even to the points of having "Welcome to Bywater" signs along St. Claude Avenue, and last I looked at a City Ward map, the 9th Ward does indeed include areas on both sides of the Industrial Canal; "Lower 9th Ward", meaning the area below the Canal, is a traditional or folk neighborhood designation. If there is anything you think needs to be improved or corrected on the page, please note it on the talk page of the article. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 02:39, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

I thought I was signed in, but in any case, the 9th ward IS on both sides of the indistrial canal, which is why it makes no sense to call it a boundry for the "Lower 9th ward" unless you are just using it as a made-up geographic boundery--which is fine, but NOT unless you apply this same arbitrary standard to the rest of the 9th Ward, as well, since it is no less deserving of mention than the lower 9th ward with regards to the industrial canal. In any case, I think we've reached a point at which we need to stop referring to the industrial canal as a ward boundery alltogether. The official western boundery of the 9th ward--ALL of the 9th ward--is Amonsaster. That's it.... and here is the external link that you were not able to find on the page that you've been so persistant in adding erroneous information to: I really hope we will never have to argue on this point ever again and I hope there won't be any neeed for future edits because of this; The official bounderies listed on this page, which has been available since before I started the 9th Ward page on wikipidia, are going to be the ones used on the article.
 * Hi. Just put 4 tildes "~" at the end of what you write, and Wikipedia adds your user name and the time/date automatically. I see no need to "argue", let's just work together to improve articles. I think one of the possible points of confusion is that we have a number of New Orleans neighborhood articles based on traditional boundries, like Treme, Faubourg Marigny, etc, whereas the 9th Ward article is the only city Ward division we have so far (I guess we need 12 Ward, 17 Ward, etc and all the rest articles for full coverage, no?). I'd be very surprised if you hadn't head the expression "Lower 9th" or "Lower 9th Ward" refering to the portion near the river below the Canal. No, that's not a Ward boundry, but it is a long recognized neigborhood boundry. Best wishes, -- Infrogmation 03:12, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

I am not the person to say whether we need articles for the 12th and 17th wards, but I don't see why they can't be written. I just know that I wrote the original 9th Ward page because it is an oft-cited, but little known part of the city. Hurricane Katrina and the resulting news coverage brought a lot of attention the the region and to the page, as well. As a result, the article has grown and a lot of good information has been added to it. What needs to be made clear here, however, is that just because some people mistakenly refer to the LOWER 9th ward as the "9th ward" as if they have just made reference to the area you and I both know is on the river and just east of Bywater, and not to the true 9th Ward (all of it.)I think one of the purposes of wikipedia is to be a source of facts, not a propagator of myth and misinformation. Just because the "folk" boundary for the 9th ward might be what is actually the portion of the 9th ward east of the industrial canal doesn't make it factual. If you want to make a footnote that there are unofficial or "understood" folk boundaries for the lower 9th ward, then go ahead, but I have already addressed this misconception on the page, so it would only be an elaboration on what I wrote. It makes absolutely no sense to cite incorrect ward boundaries just because an uneducated public is misguided in thinking it has some other boundaries than the ones I already listed.Wbbigtymer 03:56, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

General fuzzies
Thanks for your kind appreciation of my small New Orleans contributions on Wikipedia; I'm busier on my own site, of course, else I'd do more, within my limits. In turn, warm fuzzies to you and hoping you get back to something like a normal life in the Crescent City, as soon as possible. As you know, my reaction to the Katrina disaster was to drop what I'd been doing and start what is already now a large subsite on Louisiana history; once I'm finished with Kendall (several hundred pages more to go!) and the 1895 drainage project report, I hope to put up several additional major items, first among them almost certainly Charles Gayarré's history. Am constantly surprised how poor the Web is.... Best, Bill 15:02, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Image
Hello! I am informing you that I've nominated your picture Image:KaliNepal1920.jpg at Images_and_media_for_deletion/2005_November_15 for deletion because it is currently replaced by Image:kaligoddess.jpg. There was confusion about the image you uploaded because it resembles the Nepalese God Kal Bhairab instead of the Goddess Kali. They could be one and the same but at this moment I feel it is best to have a solidified image to refer to instead of a misleading one. The characteristics are also hard to distinguish.

On another note, I've seen you on lj! Earlycentury? I loved your contributions!. --Eeee 02:23, 15 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks. the description of the image being of "Kali" is from the 1920 National Geographic. If that's an inaccurate description, I'd be interested to know the accurate info. Hm, do we have a Kal Bharib article yet? -- Infrogmation 04:20, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Francisco Luna Kan
I deleted the link altogether then, as the link I changed it to was the most relevant link available on Wikipedia. The previous link was to a disambiguation page and should not be linked. Cheers. Thaagenson 17:26, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I made another edit to the Native American link on Francisco Luna Kan, please review it for accuracy. Thank you!  Thaagenson 22:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Mesoamerican calendars
The Native Americans link in this article now points here -  Native Americans. I deleted the original link as part of a WP:DPL project, since the link didn't seem to add much to the content. Is there a better link? Dethomas 13:29, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I added a separate article on the Aztec sun stone, since I wasn't sure if it would be appropriate for me to mix it up with the Aztec Calendar article. Cheers! Metlin 17 December 2005, 16:46 (UTC)

New Orleans diaspora
I stumbled across this article, (New Orleans diaspora) cleaned it up a bit and requested its expansion. I thought you might find it of interest. Take care. -JCarriker 19:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Mayor Shakspeare
Sorry about that. The article the link was pointing to didn't exist yet when I tagged it on RC patrol, so it showed up as a red link. I'll remove the tag if it hasn't already been. Firebug 03:47, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Infrogmation

Image:GGrandKiss.jpg
I noticed you said you were not sure of the copyright status on your image. For unpublished works, it is the later of either 70 years after the death of the author (photographer) or Dec 31, 2002. As this picture was published here in 2003, its copyright term is based on the life of the photographer, which is life + 70 years. --Fallout boy 06:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

How's the house?
Have you gotten the hole in the roof fixed? Is New Orleans cleanup progressing nicely? Your empathic and annoying neighbor to the north. -JCarriker 21:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm very happy to have a functional roof now and am the envy of many of my friends. I finally don't have to position buckets and tarps every time it rains. It took me over 2 months after my return. Clean up is progressing, with progress every day, but slowly and with difficulty. I have friends living in the second floors of their houses with the downstairs gutted after flood damage; some are still waiting for their electricity &/or gas to be reconnected (not so bad in the mild weather 2 months ago, but now it gets down to the the 30sF.) The Feds are paying for some crews of contractors that are slowly making a dent hauling away the mountains of debris everywhere, and some Army Corps of Engineers crews are still working on filling in the levee breaches. Those are the only signs of any governmental help. Pretty much everything else is that is getting done is being done by the locals who are back here working long and hard, often still never having heard back from either FEMA or their overwhelmed insurance companies. There are a good number of workers for hire from elsewhere in town, many from Mexico and Central America, keeping busy ripping out flood damaged sheetrock and such. Some private charities are doing good work; Red Cross trucks are still handing out meals, brooms, mops, buckets, and dust masks in some of the harder hit neighborhoods, which is much appreciated. Thanks for asking. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 14:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Harry James
Hello, good work on Harry James, and thanks for the contribution. However, you did not provide any references or sources in the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. Can you list in the article any websites, books, or other sources that will allow people to verify the content in Harry James? You can simply add links, preferably as the inline citations, or see citation templates for different citation methods. Thanks! Lupin|talk|popups 13:26, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I just added basic dates and names as can be found in such standard references as Who's Who of Jazz, and the Penguin and All Music guides. My usual practice for such articles is to have a few such books in front of me, sometimes augmented by some web sites like redhotjazz.com, and sumarize in my own words. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 14:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * OK. Sorry to keep on about this, but it would be useful if you could note those standard references, books and websites in the article when you do this. Thanks again, Lupin|talk|popups 15:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Archaeology Wikiportal
It's a fair point you made about the stubby nature of history and archaeology articles on wikipedia, however i'm actually writing to suggest that before editing the portal it might be worth checking out my baby Portal: Classical Civilisation to ensure we don't copy the same sort of thing - for example i was planning on using the picture of the ampitheatre at El Jem. Nice work however. Pydos 12:23, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

RE: Image:BobbyFischer.jpg
Hey! Please go to Image:BobbyFischer.jpg. I've just added the URL to that page. Adnghiem501 04:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Location of The Persistence of Memory
Ah, right you are. I must not have read closely enough. Thanks for catching my mistake. ALC Washington 03:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism by 141.157.35.222
This has resumed ... I saw that you were the last to block this IP (an entire countywide school district in Maryland). I think a reblock is in order. I am contacting the high school alluded to by one of the posters who gave his name to see if any discipline for misuse of the school's computer network is in order. Daniel Case 15:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikifying dates
Hey; I hope I'm not offending you, but the Manual of Style says that dates should be wikified such that the "date format" feature works in the preferences. --AySz88 ^ -  ^  22:01, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * No offence. And thanks for catching my using the wrong template on that talk page. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 23:59, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

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