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Jordan Hall statues
Hi Ingratis, thanks for your comments on the Jordan Hall AfD. In addition to your comments, you also wondered whether Statue of Louis Agassiz and Statue of Alexander von Humboldt (Stanford University) were notable either. I thought that you might be interested in a rather stale discussion at Talk:Statue of Louis Agassiz. There are suggestions on merging these articles into the Main Quad article and another to merge all Stanford sculpture articles into a single page covering the whole set of public art. Someone at a recent RM that I closed made a similar suggestion, and I thought you might be interested in trying to restart that discussion. Wug·a·po·des​ 03:44, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Redirect from "venturies"
Hello, Ingratis!

I've been looking over the Typo Team moss work, and I wanted to address the article SCORE Lites, which you updated a couple of days ago. You provided a link on the word "venturies" to the relevant section of the Venturi effect article. Thanks for this!

But I think that the preferred spelling of this plural should be "venturis", probably because it stems from a proper name, rather than a plural of a word ending in 'y'.

I'd like to change this, and I think one way to do this would be to move your redirect page from "venturies" to "venturis". There might be other ways. Does this sound reasonable? Jkgree (talk) 20:14, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi there - and thank you for asking nicely! You are right, of course, about the correctness of the plural but I created the redirect from "venturies" with the superfluous "e" because that was what I found - and not only in SCORE Lites. Rightly or wrongly (although I have not checked beyond Google searches) it is a spelling in use in the industry and in engineering alongside "venturis". How about creating a separate redirect from "venturis" and leaving "venturies" as a Redirect from a misspelling? Ingratis (talk) 23:12, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestion. I really didn't know how to create a new page-- never done that before-- especially a "special" page like a redirect.  I read up, and played around, was ready to give up, when I finally figured out one way of doing it.  Thanks for your input, and for nudging me into generating my first new article (albeit, kind of a sad excuse for a new article, but, hey, you gotta start somewhere).  I don't know what the relationship, if any, is between the "Venturies" page and the "Venturis" page.  Does this make a difference? Jkgree (talk) 17:58, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * P.S. - I'm going to delete the entry for SCORE Lites from the Typo Team moss/S page. Jkgree (talk) 18:01, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it worked. There's no need to try to connect the two redirect pages, as the target article does that. All best, Ingratis (talk) 03:09, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

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Help
Help me check the page Tambor (dance). It's too bad. Đông Minh (talk) 13:12, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll have a go at some of the formal problems, which are fairly easy to fix, but it badly needs more decent sources, and without those it may not have much future, so that is the real problem. I think there may also be copyvio issues. Ingratis (talk) 13:17, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, Mr can you help me edit Trần dynasty military tactics and organization and Tây Sơn military tactics and organization true English grammar and delete the sign on the top page. So thank you. Đông Minh (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look, but it may take me some time! Ingratis (talk) 15:02, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I hope you lost little time to help me, thank you! Đông Minh (talk) 15:20, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Expand tag
Please teach me: what does the "expand" tag mean. It's so normal that articles that are translations from foreign languages are covered better in that language, - why mention it? Seen at Altenberg Abbey. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It depends on the language! For the wider picture may I refer you to WP:Translation, of which the Expand tag system forms part. I added it to this specific article because there is a lot of additional usable content (not just a small amount, and not just any content) at the German article which I don't have time to translate myself presently. As you will have seen, the tag adds articles to a category of articles in German (and other languages) requiring translation, the theory being that this may bring them better to the attention of potential translators who might not otherwise spot them. I find it useful to signal articles like this where there is a lot of good content to add, and also those where the addl content is not in the obvious language - for example, some articles about French monasteries have better content in German (occasionally vice versa). I don't expand-tag articles where the addl content is not usable on en-Wiki - for example, many French local historical articles are hopelessly verbose / excessively detailed / based on OR, and many in other languages are very lax about referencing, so the addl content is not worth translating - so I disagree that it is not worth indicating foreign-language articles where appropriate. Ingratis (talk) 11:03, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for explaining. For my - perhaps too simple - understanding, tags on top typically indicate that an article is missing something or even has problems. I often translate, but confess that I was more interested in the church, Altenberger Dom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

About typos: Bhu-Bif
hello, it seems you are also fixing typos. can you please create talk page on Wikipedia:Typo Team/moss/B and announce on it your desired section. i have announced my plan on Wikipedia:Typo Team talk page.

once again i sincerely apologise for suggesting or contacting you.

regards Leela52452 (talk) 16:21, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your polite message! Although perhaps people should do as you have done, I don't think anyone else does, so I'm not in the habit of checking that page but will try to avoid you for the rest of this list. However, because the lists at the beginning are extremely long - as you will see when C is posted, which will be soon - and because not many people take part in typo fixing, in practice it is usually easy enough to avoid other editors, although I do realise from past experience that it is annoying to discover an overlap. I usually edit from the end upwards, if that helps. All best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 18:08, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

"Klostersekretär"
I hope you are well. I wonder if you are able to help me with an English language translation of "Klostersekretär" and of "Domstiftssekretär"? Here is where I got to so far with this, but "monastery administrator" is short on euphony, and does not look particularly "genau".

I am conscious that it says somewhere that you are wiki-retired, but that was somewhere else. You should in any event, and please, on no account reply unless you want to. I have no wish to get in your way. Either way, thank you for having thought about it, and I wish you all necessary strength and fulfilment for the year ahead  Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 17:21, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year - and decade! and thank you for your good wishes for what may well turn out to be a difficult year. I'm very pleased to hear from you. I hope you are well too. I "retired" for a while and forgot my password, so when I returned I had to start again. In this incarnation I'm doing more gnoming and less article creation but am still interested in monasteries.

As to "Klostersekretär" and "Domstiftssekretär", your translation seems fine - "abbey [or monastery] secretary" / "chapter secretary" would be alternatives, but no real need for them. The post itself, which I hadn't come across before, is an interesting one. If you read Gothic print, this is a detailed account of how it developed at St Marienthal (coincidentally) from the earlier post of steward (Schulze) - an employed "man of business" or (as you say) administrator, mostly for nunneries, apparently. Skimming through google I saw a couple of other passages where the Sekretär was also the librarian and archivist. All best, Ingratis (talk) 13:44, 7 January 2020 (UTC) (irl Andrew)

Archaeosphaeroides
Good catch on the typo. Thanks :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:12, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the thanks! Ingratis (talk) 15:01, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted
Hi Ingratis, I just wanted to let you know that I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&page=User%3AIngratis added] the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Autopatrolled. However, you should consider adding relevant wikiproject talk-page templates, stub-tags and categories to new articles that you create if you aren't already in the habit of doing so, since your articles will no longer be systematically checked by other editors (User:Evad37/rater and User:SD0001/StubSorter.js are useful scripts which can help). Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Chetsford (talk) 15:32, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Ingratis (talk) 17:07, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of The Ash grove (Charyn ash forest summerhouse) Almaty region


A tag has been placed on The Ash grove (Charyn ash forest summerhouse) Almaty region requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Bhockey10 (talk) 19:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I meant to tag it and forgot. Ingratis (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Church naming convention
I agree with you when you say that Italian church titles should not be different to titles for churches in other countries. But since 95% of Italian churches titles already uses the same standard, except for those with a clearly established English name, I referred to WP:CONSISTENT. I moved just a few compared to the hundreds Italian churches articles we have. If you are interested in starting a discussion involving other users it would be great, so we'll finally have a good naming convention for religious building articles and we can fix this chaotic situation. This generic proposal was written more than ten years ago when English Wikipedia didn't have this huge amount of minor churches from other countries, but it has never been approved and it's totally forgotten now. We can consider bringing it back to life and improving it.--Alienautic (talk) 13:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've thought about your suggestion of opening a general discussion but wdn't want to be involved in it, based on repeated experience of when similar things have been discussed at RM. I have a pretty good idea of who among the old lags will take part and what they will say, and it will just be the same old crap as before, so I don't see the point. On the Italian churches, I don't see how you can justify moving perfectly OK English language titles to Italian language ones for no better reason than "consistency" given all the other factors, especially as you agree that the Italian format you're moving to is non-standard, but I don't have the energy to argue it. Italy is not one of my main fields of contribution and I will just have to look away. Thanks at any rate for your civility. Ingratis (talk) 23:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

NPP
Unfortunately, I don't really do NPP work, so I'm not the person who could tutor you through their processes. Sorry, but good luck. Bearcat (talk) 16:26, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Oversimplified
Hello CrazyBoy826. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Oversimplified, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: It was not transwikied, and is not a dictionary entry, so it does not meet the criteria. Thank you. CrazyBoy826 (talk &#124; contribs) 16:20, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * My mistake! Ingratis (talk) 16:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * - a nice surprise and greatly appreciated! (and I could be wrong - I usually am - but I'll take the beer anyway!) Ingratis (talk) 11:41, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

speedy deletion
Hi sir/madam i had wrongly accessdated some of my links i had sited on my new article Chreso University and you listed if for somespeedy depletion since now i have corrected my mistakes will it still be deleted? Joseph R Sumaili (talk) 00:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, but..
Thank you for giving me the link to collect info about Peruvian VPs. Unfortunately my knowledge of Spanish is very little, beginner level only. So I could understand a few percent of the pdf file. Anyway I am learning Spanish during lockdown. Thank you. Ppt2003 (talk) 19:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Vice presidents of Peru
Will you be kind enough to comment on my articles on Peruvian Vice presidents, and the style in which they have been written. I have written many articles about Vice presidents of Peru, a significant portion of which have been translated from Spanish. With my limited knowledge in Spanish, I fear whether these articles are merely literary  translations,  or remain in complete. Another thing is that the Freddy Centurion thesis discusses on the need of the expansion of the powers of the Vice presidents, not necessarily  their careers and political  achievements. Ppt2003 (talk) 21:38, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * - I'll be glad to look at your articles, if you could give me until tomorrow. As for Centurion's thesis, I'm sure there are much better sources out there, which you've doubtless located by now. However, it does seem to name most if not all the VPS and give a few summary details on most of them. So my thought about it was simply that it could serve as an independent and reliable reference by confirming that obscure personalities like Garmendia Puertolas really were VPs, and that including it in the articles (until better sources appear) might stop some of the objections about sourcing that you were experiencing. Ingratis (talk) 00:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


 * - I've looked at some of them now, including the longer article on Ricardo Bentín Sánchez. There is nothing wrong with the English - there are very few mistakes, mostly typos, and those are easily corrected by copyediting. The articles don't read like translations, probably exactly because you're translating from a language in which you're not fluent. What you could do however is to pay more attention to the formatting: check your articles against MOS:BIO, especially in the lead. You should also check that in dates and spellings of names you are being consistent: for example, in the article on Ricardo Bentín Sánchez you have some dates in the format dd-mm-yy but another in the format mm-dd-yy (I edited this) and you spell the man's name sometimes as Bentín and other times as Bentin (I didn't change this but you should). Also punctuation: most punctuation marks follow directly after text, and are followed by a space: text[punctn mark]{space}next txt
 * One very specific thing on Vice Presidents: note the difference between "X was the first Vice President" (i.e., the first ever VP of Peru) and "X was the First Vice President" (i.e., a holder of the office titled First VP): it's the second one you need (in all except one case, which I suppose would be "the first First Vice President"!)
 * As to completeness, Wikipedia articles are almost all works in progress, and few if any are "complete": they build up over time. What you do have to do is to provide enough sources / references from the beginning to make the notability clear and support the contents you have. This is very important. The point of the Centurion thesis was that it provides a source - maybe not the most detailed but an acceptable source - which confirms that they really were Vice Presidents, which may be useful for the most obscure ones like Garmendia. You can replace it once you find better ones. I often translate from other languages (not Spanish), where the sources are listed at the bottom without any inline citations, and it's not always possible to get footnotes from them. I've found it useful to tag the article myself with the tag, because it shows that the issue's been considered and acknowledged.
 * I don't know if any of that is of any use! to sum up the articles are mostly fine, subject to a little copyediting and format checking, but make sure you include sources/references - cf e.g. Diego de Aliaga. All best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 18:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

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Your co-operative attitude is commendable
Thank you, sir for taking your time and toils to engage in the perusals and revisions essential to the modifications of my articles. The precipitous attitude of mine compelled me to compose so many articles within a few days. I will rectify the errors according to your suggestions. Your kindness is worth commendations. Ppt2003 (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome! Ingratis (talk) 23:36, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Griestal-Strauße
Hello Ingratis. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Griestal-Strauße, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Article claims coverage in reliable sources. Thank you. So Why  08:43, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Notability of Savion Castro
Hi Ingratis! I noticed you put a notability tag on Savion Castro. May I ask your rationale? The article cites ample sources. Is it because a school board member, by definition, isn't notable enough for Wikipedia? (I note there is a category for Wisconsin School Board members). Thank you for your response!WondermentDaily (talk) 13:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for asking nicely! My reason for questioning notability here is based on the guideline for the notability for politicians, WP:NPOL: "The following are presumed to be notable: Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline."
 * Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them.
 * Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.

I understand this to mean that something as relatively minor politically as membership of a school board is not enough by itself for notability.

On the categories, these will overwhelmingly be for people notable in some other way who also happened to be members of school boards. The numbers are interesting: the range is from Delaware and Nevada with 2 each, up to Illinois, which has 85, + 16 for Chicago, with the average towards the lower end of the range, but Wisconsin has 389. This seems to suggest something unusual in the way Wisconsin bio articles have been categorised formerly! Best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 15:04, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick response! The question, then, concerns local figures who have received "significant" press coverage. In the case of Castro, I would argue he has. He was singled out in a speech by First Lady Michelle Obama, and has been noted for being the youngest person to ever serve on the school board, and has received fairly substantial local coverage. In addition, with all the racial tensions in America, I would argue it is notable that, for the first time, there are two African Americans on this board. Therefore, I would argue, the press coverage merits the standard for "significant." If you think it would be beneficial, I found citations of coverage in other papers, including the Chicago Tribune, one of the biggest papers in the US. Would it be helpful to add this and other sources beyond Madison, WI?WondermentDaily (talk) 15:24, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * If you're aiming to demonstrate "significant" press coverage, then further non-local sources of the appropriate quality certainly wouldn't hurt. My own opinion is inclined to be that, other things being equal, if being a school board member isn't notable per se then notability is unlikely to be created by being in a particular sub-group of school board members but other things may not be equal: there may well be local factors that I'm not aware of that affect this, and I'm sure that there are other editors who would see it differently, especially with the support of more non-local sources, as you suggest. The notability tag can be removed by anyone at any time, by the way! All best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 16:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for your note and assistance about M.S.Ö. Air & Space Museum. I will do that for the translated articles in the future. Tauslu (talk) 08:26, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Unreviewed
Why do you keep unreviewing articles I review??? scope_creep Talk  22:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * - I unreviewed Monastery of Vallbona de les Monjas for the reason given: it duplicates an existing article, which was already indicated when you reviewed it. I will not have unreviewed others without a valid reason, but you would have to remind me of the articles. Ingratis (talk) 23:21, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I had a second look at it. It seems to be phenomena now, these double articles. You see them in NPP/AFC. Its weird. Thanks for spotting by the way. I never noticed, prattling on.   scope_creep Talk 
 * - It isn't obvious straight away - one has the Spanish title and the other one the Catalan title. It was clearly a genuine oversight by the translator of the second article. On the other hand, I'm guessing that the other duplicates you mention - you're right: there do seem to be a lot of them - are mostly down to people not wanting to take No for an answer! Best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 00:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Mark Sheldon


- Panama City Beach hosts 17 million + visitors each season - thats more than double the entire population of NYC. Your stated position, which was condescending and not factual, regarding Mark Sheldon's position, Mayor, and I quote you: "a small town (less than 13,000 inhabitants) with no trace of significant press coverage - fails".

The economic impact of this town is over $2 billion annually.

--Guitarhistory (talk) 03:47, 5 July 2020 (UTC)Guitarhistory


 * - I should point out that the nomination is not for a speedy deletion, but for a discussion at AfD. I see you've already made your point there at greater length, and I've given my reasons for making the nomination, so let's keep the discussion together - there. If there is press coverage of Mark Sheldon beyond the local, it would help if you were to add the references to it to the article. Ingratis (talk) 12:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

A beer for you!
- thanks - much appreciated! Ingratis (talk) 01:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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- not emptied until 9 July, when the only article in it was draftified.Ingratis (talk) 16:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * . . . which is why it is now in Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion, where it will remain for seven more days at least in case it is repopulated. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:06, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hiya! Thanks for getting involved - that was an unusually civil and sensible conversation with a productive outcome! Cheers Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:02, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * - no problem, and thanks to you too for your reasonableness. I hope the creator will come back to expand the examples. Ingratis (talk) 17:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

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Possible copyright issue
Hi, I'm ToBeFree. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Tamaşalı, and have marked it as unreviewed. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

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 * (sorry for the context-less notification, I wanted to create this first: WP:AN (permanent link). You have done nothing wrong, and the specific article may even be fine. I just wanted to make sure that each of these articles gets a second review with the copyright issues in mind.) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank You
Hi Ingratis, Thank You for reviewing ONG & ONG. DMySon (talk) 18:20, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You

 * - very belatedly, thank you very much! Ingratis (talk) 04:15, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your participation in the November 2021 New Pages Patrol drive
Thank you for reviewing or re-reviewing 56 articles, which helped contribute to an overall 1276-article reduction in the backlog during the drive. (t · c)  buidhe  12:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

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Katori Sea
It includes part of the Spanish (but, the part in Spanish is extracted from WP Japanese), part of two pages referred to in Japanese (I use a translator; although I speak something, but in general it is factory language), a detailed view of the place on Google Map, other old plans of the place (Katori Sea and Tokyo Bay, Jōmon period) and various articles. The first reference to its existence, I got it from the page in Japanese some time ago. I lived in Tsukuba City. I have been to Lake Kasumigaura, Tone River and Katori City, etc. My user, kasutoro is on rōmaji. Thank you.

Port of Kashima
I have used several IPs in Spanish WP, as the Internet provider changes them. That page in Spanish started by IP 190.107.18.84 on Febrary 15, 2014 about Puerto de Kashima, I did it myself. This year 2021 I was writing in Ibaraki Prefecture in English WP, and I didn't have a Port of Kashima page. Like others that I elaborated or expanded in Spanish, the primary source was Japanese WP, but I also used English WP. When I have written or expanded on Japan, I usually do it on Ibaraki Prefecture, there I lived and I know the environment. Thank you again.


 * Jkasutoro (talk) 23:13, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you
I wanted to thank for your help with the article on Sergej Grecicho and its deletion discussion. I was beginning to lose patience when what seemed like obvious common sense to me wasn't making any headway. Your addition made all the difference. Papaursa (talk) 23:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC) - You're very welcome - I can certainly see where the problem was! All best, Ingratis (talk) 01:42, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Grindle
Hi, thanks for the prompt and hopefully straightforward page review. One question, I couldn't see Grindle on Special:NewPagesFeed, am I doing something wrong? TSventon (talk) 12:14, 7 January 2022 (UTC).

- no problem - as you say, should be straightforward. You're not doing anything wrong - the page is on the NewPagesFeed under the date of creation, 15 April 2007. Ingratis (talk) 18:51, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I knew the redirect was creatyed in 2007 and pages are listed by creation date, but for some reason didn't put two and two together. TSventon (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Quartier Thiers
Hello. Thank you for the modifications on the article "Quartier Thiers". The geolocation at the beginning of the page is wrong because it points to the 7th district. I don't know how to modify and place the right geolocation which is on the equivalent article in French. Thank you for your help. All best. --Parsedan (talk) 10:55, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * - no problem. I've added the coordinates from the fr-Wiki article, so I hope it's OK now. I'm also making a small spelling change ("neighborhood" to "neighbourhood"), for consistency of ENGVAR, as elsewhere you're using UK English spellings. Best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 23:12, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you and, by the way, happy new year 2022.--Parsedan (talk) 07:57, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! and happy 2022 to you as well! Ingratis (talk) 08:26, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Ellen Alpsten / The 'Tsarina' series
Hi, the novel is not about Catherine the Great, and the quartet of novels deals with the early Romanov dynasty, which has not been treated at all in Literature. Catherine the Great was born as a German Princess and ruled at the end of the 18th century. M — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makkimekko (talk • contribs) 11:34, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * - You're right - apologies. I've acknowledged as much om the talk page. Ingratis (talk) 22:36, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

draft review
Hey, I noticed you are an active person at AfC. I've helpe this draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gohenry and filled it with reliable sources. Could you please take a look? --82.40.169.107 (talk) 11:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Irmintraut Schneider
thankyou for redirecting the article on Irmintraut Schneider. The events that happened with this article make me very heavily question the justifiability of Lugnuts mass reverting my redirects. I feel that he is specifically trying to limit my ability to contribute to Wikipedia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:03, 15 February 2022 (UTC)


 * - hi John. Thanks for the thanks! Since you approach me directly, my take on the whole thing is that it's seldom clear with older Olympians whether they're going to be notable without a lot of pre-internet foreign-language research so there is a wholly legitimate point here about redirecting too quickly, which parallels the concerns about articles being created too quickly - I can see the points of view of both of you. My own feeling FWIW is that if some form of bulk deletion really has to happen then wherever possible redirection is preferable to outright deletion, without necessarily being convinced that the wholesale deletion programme is a "good thing" in the first place. (I am however quite angry that these deletions have now extended to medalling Olympians - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aage Høy-Petersen. This is really taking the piss, but I'm aware that this nomination was not yours, so this is not directed at you). Try not to take it all personally! Certainly wise to focus the bulk of your editing away from this area to give yourself a breathing space. All best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 17:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News
Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest. Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
 * The template db-afc-move has been created - this template is similar to db-move when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Olympics
Hello. I've begun a deletion sorting page for articles about the Olympics which are nominated at AfD. Hope you find it useful. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Great idea, and thanks for letting me know. I was sorry to see that the SPI came to nothing, but I think FWIW that there were enough grounds to raise the question.Ingratis (talk) 19:15, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Ingratis. I think there certainly were grounds and the Icewhiz one was inconclusive, perhaps because we muddied the waters. I was completely wrong about the first one, although the activity was similar. It was a case of investigate or ignore, and I think it would be wrong to ignore. Anyway, glad you like the delsort. All the best. No Great Shaker (talk) 08:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you

 * Thank you! much appreciated. An unexpected side effect of the exercise was to renew my interest in AfC, so I may well look at more reviewing. All best, Ingratis (talk) 01:06, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently Special:ListUsers/patroller New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.
 * Backlog status

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.
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Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.
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Re: Lucifera (ancient name/goddess/epithet) vs Lucifera (comics)
Thanks for help with Lucifera; I overdid the subject making separate '(name)' article. I don't know the original ancient name/goddess/epithet (mainly Diana/Artemis) is large enough subject so can you say either way if should still be disambiguation (now stub) or just move back Lucifera (comics) as main with hat-note to Diana? I prefer articles start with history (like Boston should be about UK with hatnote to 'Boston (USA,)' and many similar cases) but maybe not always done. Luciferas certainly have citations/quotes/references for respective articles, which sounds like what cross-references are for.--dchmelik (t|c) 10:54, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * - thanks - I've replied at the article's talk page, to try to keep everything together. Ingratis (talk) 10:56, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Rabin Koirala has been accepted
 Rabin Koirala, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. It is commonplace for new articles to start out as stubs and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the  [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_talk/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Rabin_Koirala help desk] . Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Pedro Braillard Poccard has been accepted
 Pedro Braillard Poccard, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. It is commonplace for new articles to start out as stubs and then attain higher grades as they develop over time. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the  [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_talk/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Pedro_Braillard_Poccard help desk] . Once you have made at least 10 edits and had an account for at least four days, you will have the option to create articles yourself without posting a request to Articles for creation.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider.

Thanks again, and happy editing! Ingratis (talk) 01:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Guillaume Hoorickx
I'm just wondering about this edit you made - is it really a pseudonym, or is it just a different spelling (Anglicization) of his name? What do the sources say? StAnselm (talk) 19:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it's a side-effect of being Belgian that the name occurs in two languages, i.e., French and Dutch. Some Dutch sources call him Willem, and many of the art and auction sites give it as an alternative. (One or two Anglophone sources also call him William, but I'm discounting that). If you think it's a distraction, by all means take it out again. Ingratis (talk) 20:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022
Hello ,

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators and, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.
 * Backlog status

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.


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 * TIP - Reviewing by subject: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.


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October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
(t · c)  buidhe  21:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello , Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to ), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also. Software news: and  have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved. Suggestions:
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Backlog: Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!


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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
Hello , The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day. won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
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Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

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Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as and  have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.


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Dominican priory
Thanks for the education. I admit to not knowing much about the order besides the song. I moved the article to "Dominican priory", which is what I think you were recommending. If not LMK Elinruby (talk) 20:48, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Another question about Dominicans
If you know: I am getting a disambiguation notice for "Phylactery" in that article. I have only previously encountered the word in the context of Orthodox Judaism, which is why I wikilinked it. Do you know which of those choices on the dab page, if any, is appropriate? Elinruby (talk) 21:12, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * New to me too, except, as you say, in the Jewish sense. But it does also apparently sometimes mean some type of small Christian reliquary or amulet (e.g. here). Since this article is about a Christian subject, perhaps "reliquary" would work better? Ingratis (talk) 21:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * good suggestion. Seems to be accurate and solves my dab problem Elinruby (talk) 23:40, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Articles for creation/Redirects and categories participation
Hello. Thank you for participating and helping out at WP:AFC/R. I thought I'd suggest that you utilize 's script for processing requests which can be found here. I mention this because it looks like you're processing requests manually and, in doing so, you appear to have made a typo in a request that you processed. No big deal, these things happen, but I wanted to suggest it since I've found it's made life easier for me. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:49, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link - I've tried out the script and it's indeed very helpful. Best wishes, Ingratis (talk) 08:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Ancient World: History of Dress


A tag has been placed on Ancient World: History of Dress requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

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 * Hello, Ingratis,
 * You certainly create a lot of redirects. It concerns me because we have had editors get in trouble in the past for creating too many frivolous redirects. There was even a special CSD criteria category to delete the thousands of unnecessary redirects created by one admin editor who resigned as an admin and then blocked from the project. Be sure you are only creating redirects that make sense according to Wikipedia guidelines and serve a useful purpose. Just because a redirect is requested doesn't mean it should be created. You've been an editor for a long time now so please use the judgment that came with all of that editing experience. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 04:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)


 * - Hello Liz. Thank you for your message. I have indeed recently created a lot of redirects because I was working on the lists of requests at WP:AFC/R. I started on this just a couple of days ago but have already had so much grief from it that I will not touch it again. As with SIGCOV and GNG, there is a large subjective element in what constitutes a useful redirect, and clearly my filters are differently aligned, but do please be assured that I am not a frivolous editor and do give thought to all my edits, even those that displease. Ingratis (talk) 12:51, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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Draft question
Hi Ingratis - did you intend to decline and then subsequently resubmit this draft? LittlePuppers (talk) 13:55, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, I did. I declined it because this particular editor has been submitting machine-translated crap for years under many different IP addresses, and also because there isn't enough content to warrant an article. After doing so I thought I might have been a bit unfair, since the references are adequate and there aren't any translation issues, so for fairness' sake thought it should have a second opinion, so resubmitted it. I'll point out however that if anyone did accept it I'd immediately redirect it under NOPAGE! Ingratis (talk) 14:36, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ...which I've now done. In the past in these situations the IP editor has then gone on to copy/paste their draft over the redirect, which is why I wasn't in a hurry to do it this time, but we'll see. Ingratis (talk) 23:38, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Don't mention it... oh, you didn't... Ingratis (talk) 06:32, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, somehow I missed your second comment here. It sounds like a bit of a convoluted process, but thanks for taking care of it. LittlePuppers (talk) 06:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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Yeah, I translated the Swedish article. I modified a few words to make it better readable, but it's like 99% translation. Go ahead and do the attribution thing, because I have no idea about that, sorry. Thanks for your interest on the article in any case. 12qwas (talk) 14:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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Nomination of Helsfyr-Sinsen for deletion
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Unreferenced articles February 2024 backlog drive
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Welcome to the drive!
Welcome, welcome, welcome Ingratis! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles. CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:52, 1 February 2024 UTC //en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ingratis&action=purge refresh via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

A citation barnstar for you
Much appreciated - thanks! Ingratis (talk) 16:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Referencing
Hello Ingratis. I learned how to properly reference articles. I created a new article about the Roman consul Lucius Cornelius Lentulus Lupus of 156 BC. Please check it to see if I did it correctly. If it is insufficient by all means, please delete it and inform me. Thank you, Edgar Aetheling 25 (talk) 17:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

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Acquasale
Hi, thank you for adding some references. As stated in the deletion request, the first reference isn't viewable; also, it would be nice if you could help me improve the sentences on this page. JacktheBrown (talk) 08:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem - I'll certainly take a look but not immediately - I'm still convalescing so am presently avoiding anything demanding much effort on Wikipedia. Ingratis (talk) 08:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * no rush, the beauty of Wikipedia is that there's no time to respect. Have a good recovery! By the way, the references you added don't seem to have been formatted. JacktheBrown (talk) 08:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * feel free... Ingratis (talk) 09:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Black Sun Ensemble albums


A tag has been placed on Category:Black Sun Ensemble albums indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Richard3120 (talk) 21:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Draftified article
I noticed that the page I created, William III Talleyrand was moved to a sort of draft. You have edited it, so Im going to to ask you the reason for that. Was it just the inconsistent spelling or is there another issue? Thanks. Edgar Aetheling 25 (talk) 17:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I did edit it but only to the extent of removing the inverted commas in the title. (I would have moved it to "William III of Angoulême", which is where I think it should be, but there is a redirect with that name in the way). The article is presently at Draft:Guillaume III Talleyrand of Angoulême, as you're aware - you should look at the edit history, where the person who took exception to it gives their reasons, which come down to this, that of the four references you have given, two of them don't support the contents they are supposed to support. I took a quick look, and the problem with one is simply that you've given the wrong name for an abbey (Sarlat instead of Saint-Cybard), which is easily fixed. the name of the abbey can't be verified from the reference as given. However, he is also querying the chronology of several deaths, and that's a far more important and complex matter. Ingratis (talk) 04:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * the underlying problems are that this editor is mostly translating from other Wikipedias (without attributing, btw, despite being warned about it) and also translates the titles of books, which means that the titles as given don't exist and can't be located; he also rarely gives page numbers.

"Not mentioned"
Re: "not named". She is named at 1999 World Women's Handball Championship squads, though. That leads me to want to give you a tip - to always check Special:Whatlinkshere of articles that are nominated for deletion. Geschichte (talk) 10:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. Why then did you not mention that in the discussion rather than the article 1999 World Women's Handball Championship? But I learn from this - again - not to trust anything anyone says in an AfD discussion. Ingratis (talk) 12:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)