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Not horror punk, Talk:My Chemical Romance
It's not really vandalism but it is nonsense. You have already said "Not really" but then you repeat yourself when asked to elaborate. I'm not sure what you're talking about so that's why I asked for elaboration. It didn't make sense to me and then you repeat it when I asked for clarrification. I'm not picking on you or trying to be rude, I am just trying to see what you mean by your comment and I removed the second one because it was repeated and not explained. Neither made sense to me so that is why I asked for elaboration. Orfen User Talk 00:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Graveworm
I most certainly do *not* 'know' that Graveworm aren't Christian. I do know that bands who sing to Jesus Christ asking him to awake are not black metal. I am reverting, but I suggest you discuss why they aren't Christian on the article's talk page. If you can give me a good reason and a citation or two (since that's what I have done to support *my* edit), I am quite happy to negotiate. The Crying Orc 06:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Mallcore
Hi, half an hour ago, you erased a small internal link. May I know why you did so? I reverted your edits until you can bring clarification on this edit. --Zouavman Le Zouave 19:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't think that's a sufficient reason to erase the link. I could say the same thing of The Beatles. I mean, they don't do any more music, these days, but does that mean we should erase every single internal link that may link to the Beatles' article? Plus, Emo themed still concerns Emo. By the way I don't agree with you on the point that emo is dead. --Zouavman Le Zouave 10:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

"Correctly or not, emo has often been used to describe such bands as AFI, Alexisonfire, Brand New, Coheed and Cambria, Fall Out Boy, From First to Last, Funeral for a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, My Chemical Romance, Panic! at the Disco, Senses Fail, Something Corporate, The Starting Line, Story of the Year, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, The Used, and Underoath.[8] The classification of bands as "emo" is often controversial. Fans of several of the listed bands have recoiled at the use of the "emo" tag, and have gone to great lengths to explain why they don't qualify as "emo". In many cases, the term has simply been attached to them because of musical similarites, a common fashion sense, or because of the band's popularity within the "emo" scene, not because the band adheres to emo as a music genre. (The revulsion of some bands from the term emo is not unlike the retreat from the genre by the bands in the indie emo scene near the end of the 90s.)"

This is straight from the emo (music) article... Anyways, I don't really care about the edits, they haven't changed much on the article and probably saved some bunch of debates, but I just want to show you that even though they might not be exactly in the same musical period, scene, or style, they are considered emo by many, and I think that this is the most important ^^. Anyways, have a nice day. --Zouavman Le Zouave 07:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Please leave the Fred Durst article alone
Whether or not Slipknot is metal, we've had far too many edit wars on that page about the classification of bands. I'm not going to stand for another one. - Stick Fig 23:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Nu metal and death metal
It's already been discussed in the talk archives, but I'll just give you a quick recap: Prominent nu metal influences include death metal bands Fear Factory and Sepultura. Korn have also cited Cannibal Corpse as an influence. Static-X have cited death metal as an influence, as well as occasionally being mislabelled as death metal themselves. -  Swi tch t 04:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

skillet
The top of the page says:

Some bands could better be classified as hardcore, but have been referred to variously as metalcore, heavy metal or one of the many metal genres by fans.

So it doesn't have to be a traditional heavy metal band to be on the list as long is it draws a lot of metal influence, which skillet does.

Also their page did say industrial on it, and I don't see how you can deny that the band is a form of nu or alternative metal if youve listened to their music. Personally I don't really like that stuff, but that is besides the point.

Oh and the vandalism I reverted wasn't by you, it was an edit after yours.

Did you even read the industrial metal page? I'd say skillet from what ive heard could be lumped in ther

Well as much as I detest nu metal it still is a metal genre.

Decapitated
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 * It "suggests", the band's influences aren't only technical death metal orientated, for a band from that genre to be influenced by that specific group is an odity and thus notable.. - Deathrocker 07:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Christian Metal Project
If you are interested in joining a potential Project Wiki Christian Metal project go here to sign up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Christian_Metal --E tac 07:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Reply
There are no limitations as to sources that can be provided, both are from reliable media soures. And it was agreed on the talkpage (After an admin suggested, a while back) in part to fan the older dispute, that both sides of the argument (regarding Zeppelin) would have two sources. That is the second source for Zeppelin as a heavy metal band, thus it is important to the articles neutrality. - Deathrocker 07:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * To answer your question. No, I don't believe I have any "bias towards Extreme Metal".. if you view my edits to any Extreme Metal related article they are only constructive, I never place attacks nor vandalism into its content. I just sometimes point out on the talkpages, when some who are fans of Extreme Metal are trying to POV push certain articles (especially nu-metal related) in an attempt to elevate their thing to "metal" and nu-metal as "not metal".


 * Anytime I'm addressing such matters, it is only in the interest of neutrality on any given article, never to deride any form of music infavour of another. - Deathrocker 08:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Reroute to remain
I totally agree, I will try to find some sources. Bye --Dexter prog 01:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I tried changing the genre listing to Heavy Metal, since I think it is a good cover-all-bases type genre in this situation since we can all agree that this band is in some variant or sub-genre of heavy metal. --Wildnox(talk) 22:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Used proof
listen to their music and theres your proof

ECW Originals/ New Breed (ECW)
Just though you would like to know that even though it seemed like the decision was to keep them seperate, they were merged anyways. I plan to de-merge them, but would like you to voice your opinion on either talk page. TJ Spyke 05:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding edits made during March 10 2007 (UTC) to Grindcore
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Deathrocker and Encyclopaedia Metallum
Hi,

As you already know, Deathrocker seems to have a problem with the inclusion of Encyclopaedia Metallum in the heavy metal article. I was wondering if you could help to reason him in order to show him that his accusations are not valid. Thanks in advance.

Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me! • O)))) 20:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

List of Grindcore Bands
Either explain your deletions of Genghis Tron and An Albatross from the list on the talk page, or stop reverting my edits. Thanks.

You did it again. You are obviously violating Wikipedia policy.

First of all, An Albatross is clearly Cybergrind, which used to have its own article until that got deleted. The result of the deletion was to merge it into Grindcore, so that means all Cybergrind bands should now be listed in the list of grindcore bands, instead of just being erased out of existence. An Albatross was listed as Cybergrind for a long time, then someone changed it to noise rock to make it easier. I didn't change it back because I didn't want to get into an edit war, but I'll gladly do so.

Secondly, it still doesn't explain your constant deletions of Genghis Tron, who are clearly listed as Cybergrind and clearly fit into the genre.

Well, The Locust are a different story altogether, but An Albatross uses blast beats and 8-bit sounding keyboards like a lot of other Cybergrind bands do. But since I'm apparently the only person on Wikipedia who cares about that subgenre, I'll let the argument rest for now and give the movement a couple of years to become more visible. I'm glad we were able to compromise. See how easy things are when you actually discuss changes instead of making the same reverts over and over?


 * Hi there. Concerning the list of grindcore bands, can I just clarify something with you... is it Wikipedia policy to not include bands on a grindcore category if they are also on a death/grind category list? If that is the case, then I will stop reverting your edits. However, if there is in fact no reason why this case (and it would seem like an unusual state of affairs) then these bands should easily be able to fit on both lists. A case in point would be Soilent Green. I have provided a reference from a reliable source stating that they can be considered grindcore. I could also find one stating they are death/grind as well, I'm sure, but to remove them from the list would actually require you to provide me with a reference from a reliable source stating that they are not a grindcore band, not simply that they are also a death/grind group. As death/grind is listed as a subgenre of grindcore, it seems nonsensical to exclude them. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I checked with the Categorization FAQ where it quite clearly states that articles can, and indeed are often expected to be in multiple categories. Without even adding the grindcore category, Soilent Green already belongs to death/grind, sludge metal and American death metal categories, which contradicts your (unsourced) assertion that they are one category and therefore cannot also belong to another. I have thus re-added the grindcore category, with reference. Any reversion of this will be reported as vandalism. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Fanboyism?
Dude, I'm not trying to be rude here... but how is asking if Hellyeah tour dates are availible yet "fanboyism?" Technically, it is discussion about the main article, because it'll be their very first tour! I don't know about you, but I'm anxious for that news to come out!

I'll admit, I have posted "fanboyism" on various pages before. But if we could work out a compromise, then I believe that we can put an end to this. We could even become friends - check out my userpage and look at some of the bands I like. URFG 20:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)URFG

Re:Heavy Metal slang
I've heard some people call it mallcore, but since I don't agree (I love grindcore) and apparently you don't either, I'll take it off. Thanks for bringing that up! ^^ Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 20:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivium
Please do not change the genres as and when you feel like it, discuss it on the talk page if you wish to alter the genres of any articles related to the band. Unless you have citation for these genre changes please do not alter them, as some critics have labelled the newer stuff "thrash" and the older stuff as "metalcore" therefore both genres should be present on the band member's pages.  Asics   talk  Editor review! 11:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Compromise
can we comprimise on Lamb Of God for it to be heavy metal groove and metalcore? there EP and shirts even say it Pure American Metal Skeeker 00:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

They truely are heavy metal. Skeeker 00:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

If you say so... Skeeker 02:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh really please explain... -,l,, Skeeker 22:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

You can't block me, you're not an administrator. Skeeker 04:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

And youre really that conserned... Skeeker 06:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Vandalism warnings aren't for content disputes, you can't just label anything you disagree with as vandalism. Both of you need to calm down and discuss this. I've protected the article for the time being so you aren't tempted to just apply your change --pgk 07:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I have nothing against metalcore its just that I don't think it follows those stats, I do like metalcore some of my favorite bands are, please take a look at the genres of there albums all say groove metal or post thrash it just doesnt make sence to call them metalcore if it is that way. Log are not "Traditional" metal like Iron Maiden but they are by guidlines, heavy metal. I dont want burning bridges with us two you seem pretty cool judjing your musical tastes, I just thing we can comprimise by having it as

Groove Metal Metalcore Heavy metal

as a fair deal, please consider this. Skeeker 20:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I see what your saying but what you said earlier didnt really make sense "just because they're metal doesnt mean they're heavy metal" dont you think things are just being cookie cuttered with genres now, do you relize theres a genre called porn metal! Everything with heavyness in it used to be called just heavy metal and now there are all these gay genres like "porn metal" & "alternative metal" what is it alternative to, I mean come on. The key artists to metalcore I would say are As I Lay dying, Killswitch engage & Unearth none of which hardly ever have guitar solos and sing rather than scream or drone all the time like lamb of god, which is why I think they should have heavy metal under the genre. And I don't know what it was about but someone edited it not too long ago and those three sources were for groove metal just thought I should let you know that, I dont know that that was about though, but I dont mind them being called groove metal because that is what Pantera is and Pantera is... was an amazing band. Sorry for the long message but I thought I would tell you what I had to say. Skeeker 21:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying their not Im just saying someone changed them from that. How about we have

Groove Metal Metalcore

as the genre and take away those sources. Does that sound alright? so we can have that protection taken off. Skeeker 01:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

So is that okay? Skeeker 00:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to change the genres if it stays as groove metal and metalcore, so we wont need the sources, but make a note to not change it. Skeeker 00:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Alright but lets get the block off.

Alright, so were all alright? Do you know how to put images on here I screwed up the image for Velvet Revolver, if you do could you fix that? Skeeker 01:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you watching everyone argue over this like I am? Skeeker 16:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Darkest Hour (band)...
...are metalcore, not melodic death metal. Influences don't turn a band into their influences. --Danteferno 00:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As evident on The Black Dahlia Murder talk page, a band's genre is not determined by editors' personal opinions or what said band thinks it should/shouldn't be called. Here's an offsite list of bands Last.fm compares to Darkest Hour. Pretty spot-on musicwise, tourwise, and ethicwise. Rock Detector calls DH metalcore/hardcore . Metalcore with melodic death metal influences is a good enough summary at the end.--Danteferno 02:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Underoath
Hello. Please do not remove acknowledgements of Underoath's Christianity from Wikipedia again. Members have went to great pains to point out that Underoath is a Christian band, and their Christianity is also evident in their lyrics. Thank you. Elsebroke 04:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi again. Underoath is metalcore, which counts as hardcore, just not "pure" hardcore. I'll write a section of the Christian hardcore page about Christian metalcore and link it directly to there. Have a nice day. Elsebroke 21:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Genre Editting BY YOU!!!
Please view the siverstein talk page where I replied to you and tell me why they are not emo.Xr 1 08:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Look, nothing against you but give me reasons not to call silverstein and alesana emo!Everywhere they are stated as emo bands.And because they don't sound like the first emo bands don't make them not emo!But no...you just edit the pages and everything is done.I can adit them too.And the sources about silverstein are in big sites, widely known and people look in them when they want to know the bands genre!!Give me sources where is not written emocore about silverstein and alesana and I won't change the articles again.I think you just want to make new music...or don't like these bands and don't want to add them your emo collection, or you like them but hate emo.These bands ARE emo!If you don't like it-his is your problem. And the sources about The 69 eyes were just fine!A review for an album where they're called gothic band, a information about the band and the site 'The best stuff' In this site the information is right.But people may include the bands and the things into different categories,that even are not related with the band.But the info is not given by them!!! I hope you've read this!I want some explanation about this all changing the genres!And I can tell you something-no sources-no genre.And you didn't give any!Unreliable sources-that's your words because you CAN't proove that I'm not right and you just don't know what to say to keep your thesis about the genre!Well FIND ME RELIABLE SOURCES WHERE SILVERSTEIN AND ALESANA ARE NOT STATED AS EMO/SCREAMO AND THE 69 EYES ARE NOT STATED ASE GOTH BAND!!! thanks for the attention! P.S. About AFI.I'M NOT saying they are goth, just goth influenced in the two albums.And these albums have dark and melodic sound including deathrock and horror punk elements.Yeah afi just go from hardcore to punk and then to alt.rock but in this two albums goth elements are present.Xr 1 21:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

"Hardcore Punk, which by its true definition, is what Emo and Screamo." even the first emo/screamo bands with sound closer to hardcore punk can't be classify just as hardcore.This is a big mistake.You'll have problems with the punks.By its original meaning emo and screamo are derivative forms of hardcore and are a part of the post-hardcore.The first emo bands start the post-hardcore scene. You hate when people call post-hardcore bands emo.But part of this bands are emo, the other are metalcore, screamo.And silverstein and alesana are emocore.Well not emotive hardcore that you like - that were the first bands.They are the new but true emocore.

Alesana
Requesting your opinion in Talk:Alesana. Thanks. Ambrosia- 14:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Requesting your opinion again in Talk:Alesana. ~ Ambrosia-  talk 02:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

This is your LAST warning
Do not delete citations like you did in The Used article.Hoponpop69 04:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

List of crust bands
Why do you keep removing such bands as Consume, Kru$h, etc ? Maybe you have never heard of them, but they certainly fit the criteria of "notable."
 * So I should write the article first, then link to it in the list of bands? Thanks!

Slipknots 4th album
Please note, Slipknot members themselves have stated that their 4th album will be at least partially thrash-metal. (see www.slipknot1.com or www.slipknot2.com if the 1st one doesn't work.) There's a note there NOT to change the genre until more info becomes availible. So please leave that alone. Thanks. Dark Executioner 17:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

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Death metal articles
What are you doing? You are redirecting the articles Progressive Death Metal, Slam Death Metal, and Brutal Death Metal to death metal. Feel free to edit them, but please stop redirecting them. I shall Mezmerize you! My edits shall Mezmerize you!! My articles shall Mezmerize you!!! 02:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! :D I shall Mezmerize you! My edits shall Mezmerize you!! My articles shall Mezmerize you!!! 01:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I joined WikiProject Metal

Aiden
Aiden has got strong influences of emo and horrorpunk!listen please first to their music before you change it! but when you are not understand with it than write: a post-hardcore band with emo and horrorpunk influences ok? Melodic Horror

BIlly Talen(album)
IT's not punk! the first album is more emo than the second Melodic Horror

I'm not a sockpuppet
I#m not a suckpuppet so don't touch my page! i don't do it too on your user page!!! write somethng in my discussion page but don't touch my user page! Melodic Horror

Thanks
Thanks for helping to revert some of this guy'sedits.  Angel Of Sadness  T / C  20:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Doom metal
On the Extreme metal page, why do you keep removing doom metal from the genre list? -- Motley a b c qu 03:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It includes all subgenres. That means you couldn't include stuff like funeral doom but not doom itself. Funeral doom is definitely extreme, therefore Doom is. Listen to Boris' Amp Worship, it's drone doom and normal doom, and it's definitely extreme as thrash. -- Motley a b c qu 06:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Grindcore
Yeah, it's derived from punk genres and I understand your point about crust and so forth, but grindcore is rather consistently classified as a metal subgenre. Allmusic for example classifies it as such. More importantly, bands like Napalm Death and Carcass drew as much from death metal as they did from hardcore (as indicated by a quote from Carcass' Jeff Walker in Ian Christe's metal book Sound of the Beast). You can certainly argue it isn't a "pure" form of metal, but it is quite clearly a fusion genre. WesleyDodds 02:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed, the tree of metal from the movie Metal, a Headbanger's Journey, even though having a few mistakes by omiting certain genres, does include Grindore as a definitiv form of Heavy Metal. You have undon a few times what I have written on the metal page, and I do not want this to end as an internet fight. Please stop changing what I write, it is exact and I I do not appreciate your persistance at changing it. UberHeadbanger 21:40, 25 Mai 2008.

Just wondering...
Question - how come you spend so much time on genre edits? Chubbles 03:09, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Dude
Ok first of all on Emery's purevolume page they say there screamo on there myspace they say there screamo So they are screamo listen to most of there songs like Walls and studying politecs and other songs they do aot of screamo. oh and Also The The Almost is Emo User:Skateremorocker

The Used
They are not Alternative. Stop changing their genre to that. They aren't, but even if they were, which according to you they are, there is no verifiable evidence to support that claim. Pwnage8 02:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

They are quite possibly the best example of Emo we have today. Their first two albums are definitely emo, and on their third, although they've tried to move away from that style, the emo-ness still shines through. Not to mention almost everyone says they're emo(hmm... why do you think that is?). But you can call them whatever, i don't really care. But the citation that supposedly says they're 'Alternative' doesn't say that at all. Infact, it says that they are 'Emo'. So if you want to advance your agenda of calling the used alternative, at least get a credible citation that says they are. Then maybe I and other users won't edit it all the time :P (Pwnage8 02:29, 31 July 2007 (UTC))

They ARE hardcore. How do you explain "Maybe Memories", "Say Days Ago", "A Box Full of Sharp Objects", "Pieces Mended", "Choke Me", "Take It Away", "Listening", "Sound Effects And Overdramatics", plus the songs where they mix elements of hardcore with their own unique emotive style? I'd say that's the perfect definition of CONTEMPORARY Emocore. FYI, I don't even watch MTV, I watch Much Music occasionally, and I have never heard them described as emo on that channel. One thing you have to keep in mind is that since Emo is an outgrowth of hardcore, and a completely separate movement, it's not going to sound 100% like hardcore, and The Used show that. Pwnage8 02:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Neither Much Music, nor Revolver ever told me they are hardcore either. I can tell they are by the music(because I have listened to hardcore), and I even gave you examples of songs by them that could be considered as such. One thing you must realize about music is that it is always changing[mutating], and mingling with other styles. The hardcore of the 1980s doesn't sound like the hardcore of today, and neither does emo. You say the "third wave" bands are either just plain rock, or pop punk? Let's examine that...


 * AFI... yeah they are hardcore, but with a twist. An emo twist(lyrics and sound) they fit the definition quite well
 * Alexisonfire... not just "plain rock", certainly not "pop punk". Most often referred to as Screamo by the general public.  Based on Wikipedia's definition of Screamo, their first album would qualify as such, however, they have gone in a more post-hardcore/emo direction since.  You can tell by the music.

Well, honestly, I'm too lazy to go beyond that, but you can see that people have reasons for calling those bands emo. I will say however, that Fall Out Boy and Panic! At the Disco should not be included on that list. Yes, I only agree with you on that.

As for pop punk, if you read the article you will find:

"Pop punk music in the 2000s often has more poetic lyrics as well as vocal and musical styles borrowed from the post-hardcore genre."

"In the mid 2000s, several bands began mixing pop punk with genres such as emo, Christian rock, indie rock and post-hardcore."

Music changes over time. Pop punk has mingled with emo, thereby creating a different sound, still referred to as "emo". And I disagree that this new style has nothing to do with the first two waves. The third wave still drew from the first two, but progressed towards a new style. Just like the second wave didn't sound exactly like the first one.

The Used's sound is similar to other "third wave" bands, and should thus be included in the emo genre. Pwnage8 19:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * ahahahaha you have the most hilarious talk page, btw. Looks like I'm not the only one you've had arguments about genres with :P --Pwnage8 (talk) 07:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * what's that supposed to mean? --Pwnage8 (talk) 18:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You are so naive to still believe that about me, after all I have said. Try as I might to assume good faith (you should try it some time), I think what you're doing here is ignoring everything I say and then baiting me.  Speaking of research, YOU are the one imposing their original research on everyone else. --Pwnage8 (talk) 13:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I never said The Used are hardcore punk, as in true hardcore, like Black Flag or Minor Threat are. You don't seem to understand that music evolves over time, and diversifies. You'd be a fool to deny the hardcore punk influence in their music. As for your comment about the third wave having "nothing to do with the first two waves", you make it seem like the second one sounded just like the first. But I ask, what do Weezer have to do with the first wave? Ah ha. --Pwnage8 (talk) 21:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * What is there for you to explain? --Pwnage8 (talk) 22:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Cock and Ball Torture
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Nu metal
Ah. Now I understand my initial confusion. I had initially misinterpreted 'readd' as a typo for 'read' and I now see it means add again. Munci (talk) 18:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

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Regarding The Locust
I have noticed your repeated reverts of the addition of The Locust to the List of grindcore bands Category. I have a reference for this. In fact the reference has been cited on the grindcore talk page several times: Albert Mudrian's 'Cloosing Death'. I am trying to assume good faith, and as such believe that you are somehow unaware of Wikipedia policy regarding the use of sources. What this means in very, very, very simple terms is that your opinion of whether the Locust qualify as a grind band is utterly irrelevant. What you need is a reliable source stating specifically that they are not, and even at that stage the best you get is a comment on their page stating that their genre is contested. I have informally warned you about this kind of thing before, and as such any further reverts from you on this issue will have to be regarded as vandalism. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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Hi, you asked me to respond... Blackmetalbaz (talk) 01:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Decimate the Weak and The Tides of Tragedy albums
hey buddy. stop messing with their genres. their genres are most definitely right. Winds of Plague has very much hardcore in them if you have their cd, and Age of Ruin has Melodic Metalcore. and you removed the links for the things. you need to leave links in there for notability reasons. let the articles alone when concerning Genres.Guitar freak91 (talk) 19:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

About your comment
Not hardcore punk. Hardcore. Hardcore and Hardcore Punk are two different things. i'm talking about the song "Reloaded" on that album, which is Track 7. that song is most definitely Hardcore. if you haven't heard it, then wait for the album to be released and get it. i downloaded it via Torrent downloads. its much like the hardcore track on A Cold Day In Hell. and you removed more than one thing with brackets btw. g'day! Guitar freak91 (talk) 03:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

well whatever. i had the cd before everyone else, i KNOW its got hardcore roots, so back off. i created the article you edited and i'm telling you leave the genres alone.Guitar freak91 (talk) 03:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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Category:Grindcore groups
I can definitely see what you're getting at with the 'or have been referred to as such' addition, but I'm a bit concerned that this is an example of weasel words. Whilst I agree with you that there is certainly a certain amount of "controversy" over the placing of individual bands into this category, do you not think that this should be confined to the bands' individual pages. It comes across as POV-pushing. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 22:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure about Iskra or Dystopia by the way. Iskra I don't really know from Adam. I'll have a bit of a look for references that extend beyond their Myspace pages. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 02:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Absolutely agree with you, partially because a band's descripton of its own style is not reliable and also because Myspace restrict options on what you can list yourself as (there is no 'doom' option for instance). That's why I haven't readded them :-). Blackmetalbaz (talk) 03:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

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Barnstar
Much thanks for the recognition. It's really appreciated and quite epic too. :D -Lindsey8417 (talk) 05:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, a-hole
i merely said in the discussion page of the WoP article that people should stop A. vandalizing, and B. stay off the page if you dont like the band, because it doesnt need that kind of input. i never acted like i own it. so back the hell off.Guitar freak91 (talk) 03:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

oh and btw, i go to fuckin daniel boone highschool, so i think i'd know better than you what goes on there. and how about you stop searching up all my edits? your a fucking douchebag. i'm not being immature here either, i'm getting straight to the point. the ATSS article? half that shit wasnt from me, i added in a few details. you need to back the fuck off dude.Guitar freak91 (talk) 03:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I didnt put anything that was a "point of view" in ATSS you fucker. i added maybe one or two things and they certainly WERENT point of view. if you're talking about the screamo thing your def wrong, they are NOTABLY grindcore. if you dont believe this so, look it up, its all around you on the internet.Guitar freak91 (talk) 04:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I read it, and i also read your myspace, so fuck you. you say that you like "pure hardcore not the shit everyone else defines it as" or w/e the fuck it was. you're just being fucking opinionated. all metalheads are fucking alike! why cant you just be fucking open to other genres, and SUBGENRES??? i've read all the comments above me, and OBVIOUSLY you've had a lot of fucking disputes about genre-ing before. so i think a big "fuck you" is in order. leave it the fuck alone. i'm going to bed. and if you remove hardcore i'm only going to put it back. goodnight.Guitar freak91 (talk) 05:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I shut up didnt i? so how about you just leave me alone and we can get back to our daily lives. i dont need you telling me what policies i should read, i get the fuckin point. good BYE Guitar freak91 (talk) 20:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Powerviolence
Do we have a reliable source to suggest that power violence is actually a derivative form of grindcore? I appreciate the whole area is tricky because I'm not convinced that there are firm lines between grindcore, crust, power violence, noisecore etc. However, for it to be a derivative form would suggest that it had specifically arisen from grindcore as a musical form. If we can source that, brilliant, otherwise, we (as a collective) are going to have to come up with a sensible way of relating all these various styles (that doesn't involve genre edit wars! 'Cause no-one wants that ;-)). Blackmetalbaz (talk) 01:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * For instance, the Powerviolence article states it is a cross-breedling between hardcore punk and grindcore, and yet it is not mentioned within the grindcore article, specifically amnong its fusion or subgenres. I'm prepared to believe the genre of powerviolence exists, but I'm slightly concerned that despite concern being raised over this issue as early as 2005, not a single reliable source has been produced to back it up (other than Google search results, which as we both know do not demonstrate either notability or verifiability). Blackmetalbaz (talk) 01:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah. Problematic. I'll try and do some digging. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 01:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Eighth Hour Romance
Do you actually listen to them. A listener of the band would be able to distinguish their genres more easily. Saksjn (talk) 14:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Slipknot AoF Voting
Following the great success of the Slipknot (album) article after receiving the attention of the Slipknot WikiProject's collaborative effort, the "Article of Focus" (read more) voting on the second article to recieve it's attention is now open. The articles nominated to choose from are Voliminal: Inside the Nine and Slipknot discography, please head over to AoF talk page to vote for which you think should recieve the AoF attention next. Voting ends on 06.02.08 at 8pm GMT.  Rezter  TALK  14:41, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Slipknot AoF #2
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AoF Reminder
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AfD nomination of The Eighth Hour Romance
An article that you have been involved in editing, The Eighth Hour Romance, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/The Eighth Hour Romance. Thank you.  Donald Albury  21:38, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Eighth Hour Romance
Just wondering why you thought it should be deleted. The band has enough fans to be notable and has released 2 EPs. Just because its local notabilty doesn't mean its not notable. Saksjn (talk) 13:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Rockismorethanmusic
I notice you're having similar problems with him as I'm having. We have to start leaving warning on his talk page using the templates found here. This way if he continues to violate rules he will get blocked.Hoponpop69 (talk) 18:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Guitar freak91
I have pointed him to a few policy pages, and warned him to stop the attacks or he will find himself blocked. Prolog (talk) 21:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Off-wiki discussion is fine, but legal threats for example are not. Prolog (talk) 15:20, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't really know a precedent for a case like this, but HARASS may be of interest. Prolog (talk) 15:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

hmm...
it appears that somebody changed one of our templates to make your orientation different. vandalism much? i'll be changing that back for you, because as much as i dont like you, i'm sure you're not gay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guitar freak91 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

umm.. i dont know how you get that out of it? my IP is 69.22.207.71Guitar freak91 (talk) 01:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

"Hardcore" referencing
i added some references for guitar freak on the Winds of Plague and The Tides of Tragedy articles. hopefully they satisfy notability. check it out if you'd like.Killmefaster (talk) 04:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, at least now i know for future referencing! =) Killmefaster (talk) 20:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Slipknot AoF #3
The third AoF has been decided, Iowa (album) is the article chosen by default due to single nomination. You can see what this task is for and its aims here. As you are a member of the Slipknot WikiProject, your participation in this task is greatly welcomed and the quicker and better that we improve the article, the more efficient the project will become. Please head over the the talk page and identify areas for improvement on the to-do list and begin to achieve these goals. Collaboration is the key word for the AoF and collaborating with 1 or more users on certain tasks is recommended, communications can be made on the articles talk page or on user's talk pages. Nominations are now open for the fourth AoF so head over to the AoF talk page and nominate which article you think should recieve the attention next.  REZTER  TALK   &oslash;  22:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Concerning List of Christian punk bands
Just to make sure, did you read my edit summary or the appropriate Wikipedia guidelines such as Red link? Remember that Wikipedia is a work in progress and I am working on the list to weed out the non-notable bands. However, many of the bands you removed warrant a spot on the list, even though an article hasn't been created yet. What is your motive for removing every single red link from the articles you come across? Can I revert your edits? (I'm asking your permission because I do not wish to start an edit war.) How about if I de-link the red-linked bands (remove the " "s and "  "s while leaving the band names)? If necessary, I will have to resort to dispute resolution.  ~EdGl  22:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks.  ~EdGl  23:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

the used
branden was kicked out of the band, the source is next the it and it takes u directly to brandens myspace blog where he announced he was kicked out for the second time, please dont not change it to he left the band or ill have no choice but to report u, this is an on going problem with ppl change ing it, brandens blog is the source right next to where it says it and ppl still keep changing it, so yeah please stop or ill have to report u, thanx, USEDfan (talk) 23:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * opps sorry, USEDfan (talk) 02:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Changes to Emotronic
Just a friendly reminder to use an edit summary when proposing deletion for an article. Edit summary usage is always good, but it is especially important that edit summaries are used when proposing deletion. The reason for this is that articles proposed for deletion that later have the prod tag removed should not be proposed for deletion again, but rather sent to Articles for deletion. The only easy way to check if an article was previously proposed for deletion is to look at the edit history and the edit summaries people have left before. Thanks!

I have removed the prod tag from Emotronic, which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, it is best not to propose deletion of articles that have previously been de-proded, even by the article creator, or which have previously been listed on Articles for deletion. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! Azazyel (talk) 07:01, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

"Ruined enjoyment"
Don't let them get to you man, they are just assholes. --Pwnage8 (talk) 16:06, 2 June 2008 (UTC)