User talk:Inka 888/Archive 1

Welcome
Hello, Inka 888, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type   and your question on this page, and someone will show up shortly to answer. Here are a few good links for newcomers: We hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, you can sign your name on talk and vote pages using four tildes, like this: &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Active Banana (talk) 04:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
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See Active Banana's response below. Shearonink (talk) 22:47, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

becoming an administrator
One becomes an administrator through the Requests for adminship process, either nominating yourself or being nominated by another editor who appreciates your contributions to the project and believes that you would handle the adminstrative tools in a way that would benefit the project. In order to have any chance to gain enough support from the community, you will need to have been a productive member of the community for a significant period of time and show that you know an understand Wikipedia's policies. Active Banana (talk) 04:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

RELIABLE sources
Please note that content needs to be supported by reliable third party sources such as those non-blog sources found with news.google.com searches or books.google.com Active Banana (talk) 04:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * From my user page "using adultswim.com as source for a episode of the boondocks is a reliable source. The boondocks airs on adultswim. and adultswim is not a blog."  It is not a reliable THIRD PARTY source. Having significant coverage by third party sources is required to meet the WP:N requirement for a stand alone article. Active Banana (talk) 02:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:N if there is NO content that is from reliable third party sources, then we should not have an article about the topic. Active Banana (talk) 21:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Signatures
How do you make a signature? Inka 888 (talk) 16:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It requires a bit of HTML. See WP:CUSTOMSIG. &mdash;La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 21:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, please sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~ ). This way, we can easily see who wrote the post and when it was made. &mdash;La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 21:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

How do you customize your signature?
 * Tip of the day/December 5, 2007. Instead of messing with your signature, please consider writing an article and actually contributing the content of this encyclopedia. Thank you,  — fetch ·  comms   20:53, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you read the link, you'll see your question answered so read the link like you're supposed to instead of blindly accusing me of telling you what's best for the project.  — fetch ·  comms   21:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

i still do not understand how to make a customized signature if someone could tell me that would be wonderful. inka 888 (talk) 03:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there, what kind of customized signature are you looking for? -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 03:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

one that has color and is written in cool text. inka 888 (talk) 03:36, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, first you gotta figure out what you like (my crystal ball is broken) and then let me know in what colors you want it in and I can take it from there. I recommend you come up with something original, but if you want to copy from someone else, I recommend changing the colors up a bit. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 03:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Also La Pianista and Fetchcomms have some good advice above too. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 03:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Good signature, but took similar in color. How about blue and black? -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 03:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, here is what you do, you take the following code...
 * Inka 888
 * ...copy/paste it as is and click on "My Preferences" at the top. In the "Signature" field, put the code in there, click "Save" at the very bottom.  Sign with the four tidles ~ and go from there. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 03:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I seen your most recent use of the new signature. You must put in all of the coding, with the exception of the "nowiki" tags, else it will not work. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 04:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

That is because part of the code is missing, you must add the entire code with the exception of the nowiki tags. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 04:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Inka 888 Put that code in, minus the nowiki tags. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 04:30, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

the code does not work
 * Tried to help, obviously "pilot error", code works fine for me. Giving up, another editor can help. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 21:32, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Code does work - see User:Ronhjones/Sandbox2, just open that page to edit and copy the text.  Ron h jones (Talk) 22:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem...Take Care. :) -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 22:10, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

list of the boondocks episodes
I am not sure exactly what you mean, but when there is not an article for an episode, we do not include a link to a nonexistant or redirect page. Links need to be worthwhile or we dont include them. Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  15:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The AFD (article for deletion discusssion) determined that there WAS NOT sufficient material for an article about the episode to exist. IF in the future, someone finds enough third party material to create a stand alone article THEN they can create a link to that page. When we know there is not enough material for an article, then we do NOT leave a red link. WP:REDLINK: "Articles should not have red links to topics that are unlikely ever to have an article, ... Red links should not be made to every chapter in a book nor should they be made to deleted articles. (emph added)  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  15:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I am fairly certain that the nominator placed all season 3 episodes up for deletion discussion - and none of those placed for deletion were found to have significant third party coverage that warranted a stand alone article.  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  15:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The discussion determined that none of the episodes nominated had recieved the "significant third party coverage" that is required for a stand alone article to exist. There is one episode that was not nominated that appears to meet the stand alone article criteria - I have re-added the link to that article.  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  15:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/It's a Black President, Huey Freeman closed as redirect.  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  16:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Read the nomination, it covers all the season 3 episodes named.  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  16:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

images
You can get a picture to show on your user page by (you need the double brackets like a typical link)  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  18:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You can only use pictures from the web that have been released for free use, and most of the image on the web arent. However, any picture you find at Wikimedia Commons [] is available for your use.  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  18:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

signing talk pages
As a reminder, you can sign by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. or clicking the graphic that looks like a pentip.  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  18:26, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Just typing Inka 888 isnt really what wikipedia calls a signature and will not automatically be a blue link. but if you type four of ~ in a row, Wikipedia magic will automatically sign with your "signature" which by default contain blue links to your user page.  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  18:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * hmmm - you may have blanked it from your preferences. you can go to mypreferences and add

User:Inka 888 talk into the window for your customized signature.  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  18:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like that worked? for custom signatures see: Signatures  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  19:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Barnstars
how do you put a barnstar on someone's page
 * Take a look at WP:BARN. Under #Barnstars there is a table with a column "What to type", which gives the wikicode. Basically the code transcludes the star from a template. Just copy the content of the "What to type" cell next to the barnstar you want to give someone. It's also helpful to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ) so people know whom they're receiving it from.  Intelligent  sium  01:23, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * What <font style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> Intelligent  sium  said^.
 * Shearonink (talk) 01:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Paradise trees.jpg
Thank you for uploading File:Paradise trees.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the file. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have created in [ your upload log].

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Eeekster (talk) 02:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Paradise trees was not uploaded from the internet it was one of my personal pictures. So it would make sense that it would not have cobyright information. Inka 888 (talk) 04:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Images uploaded to Wikipedia need to be licensed []. When you license it for use on Wikipedia, the license will allow other people, including commercial entities, to use the image pretty much as they wish.  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  15:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You will need to choose one of the licenses listed here ICTIC and place the appropriate language on the image page.  Active  Banana   (  bananaphone  16:03, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

how do you put a copyright tag on a picture?
 * Choose one of the licenses at WP:ICTIC that you want to use for your image. Then copy that template (e.g.  ), edit File:Paradise trees.jpg, paste it on the page, and save.  Please let me know if there are any more questions.  Thanks!  --Mysdaao talk 16:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

i can't get the free art licence template on the file: paradise trees.jpg== i tried copying and pasting it and it won't give me the option to paste. Inka 888 (talk) 18:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello again! Just click "edit this page" on File:paradise trees.jpg and paste (hold down "ctrl" and press "v" on most keyboards) the licensing template you want. Best,  HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I placed a copyright tag on paradise trees. jpg and removed the deletion tag. Inka 888 (talk) 00:45, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for uploading File:Paradise trees.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the file. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have created in [ your upload log].

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Eeekster (talk) 01:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

There is now a copyright tag on that page Inka 888 (talk) 02:03, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

confirmed users
what are the reasons that someone would become a confirmed user. Inka 888 (talk) 02:19, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If they needed to upload an image before being autoconfirmed, for example. Basically if they have a valid reason to need to do something that they can't currently do but autoconfirmed users can.  — fetch ·  comms   02:22, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank semi-spam
Thanks for your support in my RfA, which was closed as successful. Also, although I see it's been said, welcome to Wikipedia! Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 15:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

wpnotnow
how to close rfa WP:NOTNOW. Inka 888 22:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you don't know, you likely don't need to close it right now (MZMcBride's? That would not be an appropriate rationale anyway.) See Guide_to_requests_for_adminship on closing.  — fetch ·  comms   22:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmm
This is not good advice to give to a blocked user. Creating a sock would create more problems for them. It might be best if you were to avoid involving yourself with user conduct problems until you have a better understanding of the user conduct policies and guidelines. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 03:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The message i was trying to give that user is that he no matter what he should stop violating the WP:OUTING policy and no matter what account he has he has to follow that rule. Inka  888 03:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It came out wrong. Best just to stick to the basics for now. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 03:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

ok i will try to read more about conduct policies and guidelines. Inka 888 03:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

August 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on User talk:Fastily. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Jrod2 (talk) 22:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * if you look at the user page User:Fastilysock, it identifies the account as an alternate account of Fastily. There are limited legitimate uses of identified alternate accounts, such as use at public computers where log in information my be compromised.  Active  Banana   ( <sup style="color:gold;">bananaphone  22:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Inka, I think what Active Banana said should be enuff, but if you think Fastily or any other sysop is misusing user accounts, you can always take it to here...In any case, this is a good admin ya were talkin 'bout and before you leave comments like that on anybody's TP, try to read guidelines....like for the use of multiple accounts...Sorry I didnt get your meaning with the comments you left on Fastily's TP at first. Peace. Jrod2 (talk) 04:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll ask this question nicely: did you read the description on the Fastily's sock userpage, and follow the links that show it to be a valid use of an alternate account before you approached Fastily directly? ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 20:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

when you click on fastliysock's signature it goes to fastily's talk page. I can understand how what i said was a bit harsh BUT it was NOT breaking the assume good faith guideline. Inka 888 21:18, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has a lot of different "rules" and ettiquite in a lot of different places and as a newcomer it can be steep learning curve. Hopefully your stumbles will diminish as you become more familiar with the site, but we all make mistakes. Active Banana   ( <sup style="color:gold;">bananaphone  21:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what your referring to. Inka 888 21:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I am saying that a lot of the comments on your talk page, including mine, look a little bit like piling on a newcomer and I hope that you dont feel like you are being bitten and run away, but instead take the opportunity to learn from initial misteps and find how you can constructively fit into the community of building an encyclopedia. Active Banana   ( <sup style="color:gold;">bananaphone  21:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

No not at all, I'm still getting to know the place i make mistakes. I will be here for a long time, no plans of quitting. Inka 888 21:47, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Not at all as in i don't feel bitten. Inka 888 23:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

full protection vs. Permanent protection
I'm not getting what Permanent protection is. Is it like indef full protection or indef semi protection? Inka 888 03:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Full protection means that only administrators can edit a page. Semi protection means that only autoconfirmed users can edit the page. Permanent protection is indefinite, yes. As it says at Protection, Only accounts that are associated with these pages or administrators are able to edit them. Hope that helps! — GorillaWarfare talk 04:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Inka, read {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy this]. Jrod2 (talk) 04:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank semi-spam
Thanks for your support in my RfA, which was closed as successful. Also, although I see it's been said, welcome to Wikipedia! Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 15:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

August 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on User talk:Fastily. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Jrod2 (talk) 22:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * if you look at the user page User:Fastilysock, it identifies the account as an alternate account of Fastily. There are limited legitimate uses of identified alternate accounts, such as use at public computers where log in information my be compromised.  Active  Banana   ( <sup style="color:gold;">bananaphone  22:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Inka, I think what Active Banana said should be enuff, but if you think Fastily or any other sysop is misusing user accounts, you can always take it to here...In any case, this is a good admin ya were talkin 'bout and before you leave comments like that on anybody's TP, try to read guidelines....like for the use of multiple accounts...Sorry I didnt get your meaning with the comments you left on Fastily's TP at first. Peace. Jrod2 (talk) 04:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll ask this question nicely: did you read the description on the Fastily's sock userpage, and follow the links that show it to be a valid use of an alternate account before you approached Fastily directly? ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 20:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

when you click on fastliysock's signature it goes to fastily's talk page. I can understand how what i said was a bit harsh BUT it was NOT breaking the assume good faith guideline. Inka 888 21:18, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has a lot of different "rules" and ettiquite in a lot of different places and as a newcomer it can be steep learning curve. Hopefully your stumbles will diminish as you become more familiar with the site, but we all make mistakes. Active Banana   ( <sup style="color:gold;">bananaphone  21:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what your referring to. Inka 888 21:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I am saying that a lot of the comments on your talk page, including mine, look a little bit like piling on a newcomer and I hope that you dont feel like you are being bitten and run away, but instead take the opportunity to learn from initial misteps and find how you can constructively fit into the community of building an encyclopedia. Active Banana   ( <sup style="color:gold;">bananaphone  21:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

No not at all, I'm still getting to know the place i make mistakes. I will be here for a long time, no plans of quitting. Inka 888 21:47, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Not at all as in i don't feel bitten. Inka 888 23:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

full protection vs. Permanent protection
I'm not getting what Permanent protection is. Is it like indef full protection or indef semi protection? Inka 888 03:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Full protection means that only administrators can edit a page. Semi protection means that only autoconfirmed users can edit the page. Permanent protection is indefinite, yes. As it says at Protection, Only accounts that are associated with these pages or administrators are able to edit them. Hope that helps! — GorillaWarfare talk 04:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Inka, read {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy this]. Jrod2 (talk) 04:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

RFA closure
I reverted your NOTNOW RFA closure, as it wasn't properly formatted. Townlake (talk) 02:00, 29 August 2010 (UTC) what was wrong with it? Inka 888 02:02, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

was it because i forgot to move the info from the rfa to the closed page. Inka 888 02:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You blanked the page. The text gets kept in the archive. Townlake (talk) 02:09, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh sorry, long day. Inka 888 02:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You messed up the closure the second time (here), and I had an edit conflict at the same time. I had to re-close the RfA, and since I wasn't going to sign for you, I signed my name. Hence, the current version states that I closed it. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 05:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * ...and WP:NOTNOW would apply anyway. There are too many policies you misunderstand ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Not accurate
This isn't accurate. He is forced to appeal his block via ArbCom before editing again. / Hey Mid  (contributions) 13:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

arcive talk page
how do you arcive your talk page? Inka 888 22:30, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Help:Archive; create /Archive 1 and copy-paste everything currently on this page into there and remove it from here. Then use archive box or something to keep the link.  — fetch ·  comms   22:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

thanks Inka  888 22:35, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a tip, if you searched in the search bar for what you need help with, you would probably figure it out a lot faster.  — fetch ·  comms   22:36, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * As in Archiving. Shearonink (talk) 22:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Or...if you want it to be automatic. If you want, tell me the number of days that, beyond which, you want things auto-archived, and I'll put the code in for you. (just say x days, below, if you want it doing; and I'll explain the code I put in)  Chzz  ► 23:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

11 days, thanks. Inka 888 23:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * OK; I've set up this page for auto-archiving.

Normally, I prefer to explain how to do stuff, but in the case of archive set-up, it's easier to just do it for you. The code to make it work is here; the bot should start within 24 hours.

It's set to 11 days (11d), which you can of course change. Note that a) it won't archive very small threads or things with no sigs in (ie no date) - you can cut those yourself and paste them into the archive page if you want.

So - that's about it; no action required, just let the bot do its thing, and - if I've done it correctly - all should be well. If it goes wrong, of course, give me a shout.  Chzz  ► 06:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Small waterfall.jpg
Thanks for uploading File:Small waterfall.jpg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.

For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 00:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

reviewer
i got reviewer i don't know how to put the little topicon at the top of the page. -- Inka 888 00:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Add reviewer topicon to the userpage.  — fetch ·  comms   00:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank's again. Inka 888 01:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

icon
I am trying to put the little trout thing on my user page but it keeps going on top of my reviewer topican. Inka 888 03:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If you actually bother to read Template:Reviewer topicon, you'll find the answer there. Add  to the reviewer icon. This is a good example of why searching first rather than just asking a volunteer to do it for you is a much better solution.  — fetch  ·  comms   03:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about the troutme thing when i try to put that next my reviewer topican it gets all screwed up. Inka 888 03:50, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I fixed it. You can look at what I did to see how you could add more, if you ever want to. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 04:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Inka 888, my answer would have fixed it, too. Next time, don't assume that I don't understand the question, just try the answer first. It's very frustrating when someone tries to help but gets rejected because the questioner doesn't bother seeing if the answer works or not.  — fetch ·  comms   12:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Give a man a fish ... ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 12:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * True, but I figured that once Inka takes three seconds to look at it, help won't be needed anymore. <font style="color:#006400">Hi <font style="color:#DC143C">8 <font style="color:#800000">7 <font style="color:#FF4500">8   <font style="color:#0000CD">(Come shout at me!) 17:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * ...and that's not the issue in whole. Almost every single helpme request has been something that was easily findable using a 2-word search term.  It's a lot of spoonfeeding. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 17:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Post that concerns you at admin noticeboard
Hi, Inka. I wanted to inform you of a thread I posted to the Administrator's Noticeboard for Incidents. I'll ask your pardon in advance if I'm mistaken, but I've seen some things (documented there) that lead me to believe that you could be associated with one or more other accounts that have been rather a problem in the past week or so. You can post any reply you might like to make to me personally right here on your talk page, just below this message. I won't miss it, since I've put this page on my "watchlist" to make sure I don't. And, of course, you might also like to reply at WP:ANI. Probably the best way to find the post would be to go to the ANI page and just search with your browser's search function for your user ID there. If you don't see this message for some time, the thread could already have closed, and you might have to search the ANI archives to find it. Again, I'm sorry if my perceptions of the facts I've seen may have misled me, if you're not, in fact, associated with these other accounts. Best regards, – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard  (talk) 10:56, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, again, Inka. I just wanted to admit my mistake here: I've retracted the suggestion I made at ANI that you might be the same person as the other accounts I mentioned there, and have struck-through the relevant passages. Sorry for making the mistake. Best, – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard  (talk) 14:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer authorization
Hi again, Inka. As I was cleaning up a few things I noticed you'd just been granted "Reviewer" permission. I'm probably not the best person to say this, given my own mistake just above, but will you please go very, very slowly with that, at first? And will you especially make sure you completely understand all the relevant polices that apply to the use of that permission before you start? I only ask because many of the comments above on this page appear to express frustration over what people seem to have interpreted as an unwillingness on your part to read through the documentation. It's great that you want to help out with admin-like duties – I appreciate that, truly – but the more permissions you get the easier it becomes to mess things up in a bigger way, too. Hope you don't mind my saying so, and asking you to read up on how to use the tool before you jump in with both feet. Thanks, – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard  (talk) 15:24, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I will be careful with reviewer before i use it heavily. -- Inka 888 21:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey Buddy!
Hey man thanks! Wikipedia is awesome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackImperial (talk • contribs) 21:14, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Reverts
Hi Inka 888. I just had a look through your contributions and I must say, looking much better! Just a quick reminder - be sure that you are actually reverting vandalism, edits like this are not vandalism. With all due respect, I'd like to wait a few more days before adding the right to your account; I think a few more days of experience wouldn't hurt. Keep up the good work, I'll be watching. Best,  F ASTILY  <font color="#4B0082">(T ALK ) 02:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

License tag
Is there a reason why you removed the license tag from File:Small waterfall.jpg? --Carnildo (talk) 21:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * How do you explain this edit, then? To me, it looks like you removing the Free Art License tag. --Carnildo (talk) 22:12, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I've seen people remove tags out of frustration, or because they don't know what it is, or because they want the image to be deleted, or simply because they don't like how the tag looks. Since I can't read minds, I have to ask to find out why. --Carnildo (talk) 00:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Re:50 reverts
- F ASTILY  <font color="#4B0082">(T ALK ) 01:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Helpme
I read the page on checkuser. Just out of interest it says provide personal identification to wikimedia office. What kind of id are they talking about. Inka 888 02:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Some sort of government-issued ID. Why do you ask? <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 02:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering it. But over the computer seems hard. Inka 888 02:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Black and white golf ball..jpg
Thanks for uploading File:Black and white golf ball..jpg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.

For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 02:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how you're doing it, but you're putting the contents of the image tag rather than the image tag itself on the page. If you click "edit this page" on the image description page, you'll see a whole lot of stuff on the page, rather than a simple  . --Carnildo (talk) 03:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Re:50 reverts of VANDALISM
- F ASTILY  <font color="#4B0082">(T ALK ) 03:16, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Re your post to my talk page
This is a "talkback" notice: I've replied here to the post you left on my talk page. Please do not reply to this message here, or on my talk page. Instead, please keep the discussion on the page where it began, on Fastily's talk page. Best, – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard  (talk) 07:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Archiving
Hiya,

I just checked back to see that the archiving worked, and it did; I also notice that you 'manually archived' lots into archive number 2 - that's fine, except that the header was still set to archive into archive number 1, and would continue to do so until it reached a size of 100Kb...so, I just changed the counter to.

That means any further auto-archives will go into the 2nd archive, until it fills up&mdash;at which point it will automatically change to a '3'. Hope that makes sense, best,  Chzz  ► 15:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

thanks, Inka  888 21:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:ANI
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. - F ASTILY  <font color="#4B0082">(T ALK ) 03:55, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Clarification Needed
Exactly what did you mean by this statement? It is not helpful in the least to your cause of getting Rollbackers. If you are saying if you get a mentor, even if it is me, that you will not listen, that is likely to come back and bite you whenever you request any kind of tool. I recommend you clarify here and on ANI what you meant by that. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 09:29, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't worry about it - the damage is done. Hard to get that genie back into the bottle.
 * The simple thing Inka: for ANYONE to get rollback, they have to have a history of fixing vandalism manually first. All 3 denials have said that they don't see enough.  This is not rocket science: you get permissions based on actions ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 09:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Huh?
Inka, as a fellow wikipedian, I respectably ask you to stop asking Fastily for the Rollbacker rights. To receive such rights is not the point of Wikipedia. Please read the WP:PG. This should help explain the purpose and reason for Wikipedia. Please, consider to just edit Wikipedia, and not just ask about the rollback. Thank you and good editing. If you should have any question, just ask me.-- in te la ti 03:17, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, Reprase the question. What template are you trying to use, and what page are you trying to change?-- in te la ti 05:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * And Which file?-- in te la ti 05:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's a master link to all files copy all of the line between the "Example" and include the Brackets. that should answer your question.-- in te la ti 05:46, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to change any page, i think i figured it out. Thanks for the help, Inka  888 15:25, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. Be sure to be clear with your questions. thanks-- in te la ti 16:07, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * BTW, Read this. you recently welcomed a editor with no edits.-- in te la ti 16:59, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh Inka  888 22:07, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * thats alright, it's just a suggestion to reduce server load.-- in te la ti (Call) 22:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Windows phone 7

 * Can you review the edit conflict for Windows Phone 7, thanks -- in te la ti (Call) 22:16, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There does not appear to be an edit conflict on that page. Inka  888 22:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well content disputation. And we need community consensus to continue.-- in te la ti (Call) 22:30, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * When was the edit conflict? Inka  888 22:40, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * and have had several runins with each other, and now the article is in near lockdown mode until we have consensus.  When? today 9/6/2010.-- in te la ti (Call) 22:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Does not seem like a huge deal just seems like argument over the layout of an article. Inka  888 23:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you input your opinion on the status of the article and the proposed changes. Thats all. Thanks.-- in te la ti (Call) 23:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A bit of a dumb question< would i "voice my opinion" on the articles talk page or on the Art, arcitecture, literature, and media page? Inka  888 23:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * On the talk page under the clean Up tag.-- in te la ti (Call) 23:14, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Done Inka  888 23:17, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, now go to the WP:AN/I again. Sorry. :)-- in te la ti (Call) 23:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I was just there. Inka  888 23:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Good, I saw that. I am kind of(Ie user page and WP:AN/I) stalking you to try and help your case.  Please keep in mind the suggestions of other users. -- in te la ti (Call) 23:27, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thankyou, Inka  888 23:30, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I was afraid you would be mad at me for stalking. -- in te la ti (Call) 23:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No not mad Inka  888 23:34, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * See the last Post on the Administrators noticeboard/Incidents comment on the appropiate post on your talk. (Nicely.)-- in te la ti (Call) 23:37, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This one User_talk:Inka_888-- in te la ti (Call) 23:38, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Request for Rollback and Using Twinkle
Something you are doing using Twinkle is not correct. Are you using Firefox when using Twinkle? If so (and you should be), ensure that popups are allowed from Wikipedia, either that or ensure you put the article into the appropriate field in the Warn Template, otherwise, what happens (as is with your use of TW) is that the warnings left for users dont tell them where they made a mistake. Also, you still have a few improper uses of TW (use only one warning/note per violation for one, and secondly, ensure you have selected the correct (or most appropriate) warning).

Also, I note in roughly the last 48 hours, instead of working on vandalism reverts, you have spent more time requesting rollback. While that is your choice, it of course hasnt increased your vandalism reverts much since others last discussed it and suggested you perform more vandalism-revert work. You can check that here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Inka_888. While you may be watching your edit count increase, Wikipedia (pretty) easily allows tracking anti-vandalism related edits as opposed to other forms of edits. In roughly 48 hours, you've had approx 100 edits, of which, I have found only six vandalism reverts (most of which, did not have Twinkle used properly). On top of that, you've edited Manual of Style which is probably a page (minor edit or not) that you should not be working on - instead, feel free to suggest changes on it's talk page.

As a side note, I have rollback rights, and Huggle installed - and I prefer to use Twinkle instead, as (for me) it's a little easier to use without the risk of making a mistake. Huggle makes things quicker for me - a LOT quicker, but at the expense of making mistakes. Yes, there is a lot of vandalism on Wikipedia, and yes, WP needs all the help it can get fighting it as quickly as possible, but the most important part of it is ensuring that such things are dealt with correctly. That is far more important than how much vandalism one deals with. I've found I can do 1-2 reverts a minute, while taking my time, and using Twinkle (or occasionally, Rollback). Taking Huggle out of the equation, there isn't much I could do any better simply using Twinkle. Yes, I do go to Huggle every now and then, or use rollback as provided by rollbacker rights, but I believe you honestly can be just as helpful without it, and will be less prone to mistakes.

Just one other note; I had ten to twenty times the number of vandalism reverts as you, and years of experience doing such work elsewhere before I was granted rollback privileges. So, dont get discouraged if the answer remains no (at this time). Instead, learn how to use Twinkle better, and spend some time making better reverts (even if it means sacrificing speed). Twinkle is far easier to use than Huggle, and you have yet to master Twinkle. If I were you, I'd do more reverts, wait a couple months (not hours), and then request again.

Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 03:59, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What is wrong with the way i'm using twinkle? Inka  888 04:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Inka, read the post and you will have your answer. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 04:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * When you hit "Rollback (Vandal)" does it pop up the user's talk page in a new window? It should be. If not, then make sure you are using Firefox (NOT Internet Explorer) and that popups for Wikipedia are enabled (add en.wikipedia.org to the allowed list). Then when you use it, ensure you dont clear the article name. The reverts of yours I have checked do not have the articles mentioned on the user's talk pages, thus they may never know where they made the mistake.


 * Also, be careful that you pick the correct warning or note to leave - and only leave one per incident. Always assume good faith. Be careful what welcome template you use - various of them indicate to the other editor that you are a sufficiently experienced editor to help them use WP properly and edit properly, but honestly, you should probably wait until you make such offers (via the tools) to others.


 * Question #1: How do you find what pages you select to revert vandalism? Do you just surf through pages? Is there someplace special on Wikipedia you go?


 * Question #2: When you find a page where you suspect vandalism, what do you do next? Do you revert from there, or is there another link you check first?


 * Question #3: Are there cases where you should revert directly or check something else (refers to Q1 AND Q2) beforehand?


 * I'm not being funny... I would like to know what knowledge you have in these areas, and how I can help expand that knowledge. Then perhaps in the time frame the editors have proposed at ANI, you will be ready and fully versed. That also means, feel free to ask me questions. I dont know everything, BUT, if I dont know it, I will find out the answer for you.


 * Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 04:17, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Answer #1: I look for vandalism in recent changes.
 * Answer #2: In cases when am not sure i will compare the versions.
 * Answer #3: almost never.

Inka 888 04:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, first, I've broken this off into another section, since you've got some time ahead before you should request rollback again, and this pertains more to helping you with Twinkle.


 * Great answers (and correct). So, let's move forward.


 * First, have you figured out why when you use TW, it isnt putting the article link onto the user's talk page in the TW warning? If not, let me know and I will help you to try to figure out why (first try the tips I posted above). Also, be aware that many of the other TW tools also allow you to specify (or if used correctly, will automatically specify) the article in question. This is important for various of TW's other tools, as an article name is required for some of them (like CSD or PROD).


 * Now, some tips. Even now, with over a thousand reverted vandalism attempts, I still virtually always check the page diff. Here's one (of numerous possible) example of why. I've run into situations where an editor with an account makes an addition, then an anon blanks a whole section of the page. Numerous of the tools, especially huggle and the extended theme for WP, will flag it as possible vandalism due to section blanking. I have found cases where the editor with an account has added large amounts of nonsense (vandalism) and an anon, not realizing they should have made an edit/revert summary and alert the user, has fixed the issue and made their edit look like vandalism. Should you absolutely always check page diffs? Not necessarily - but it never hurts to, and it is best to check virtually all the time until you're more familiar with the tools.


 * Next, again, quality is better than quantity. Always err on the side of caution... if you miss one, someone else will catch it at some point.


 * Ensure you are not walking into an ongoing edit war. In such cases, reverting is not the answer. Reporting it to an Admin via the appropriate page is what's the correct thing to do. Do you know which page to use for that?


 * Learn how to report blatant, repeat violators/vandalizers. There is a tool in TW to do that. You MUST make sure it meets the requirements (recent vandalism, sufficient number of warnings - or the account in question is definitely a vandalism only account).


 * Spend an hour or a few each day you have time concentrating on nothing other than vandalism. Stay focused. This will help ensure your numbers rise and that your focus/accuracy is on the issue at hand (reverting vandalism).


 * Ensure you are always working from the most recent "Recent Changes" page. Reload before EVERY instance of vandalism revert.


 * Spend some time on the TW documentation page (and the ones it references) reading up on the explanation for each message/warning, and when each is applicable. Use the one most applicable for the most severe offense committed - while at the same time assuming (when possible) good faith. In this, it is best to err on the side of caution.


 * Dont vandal revert for things like unsourced additions that otherwise seem valid. Add a citation needed tag - or do a regular revert then a notification (via TW) to the user page.


 * Always feel free to ask for help.
 * * Go look for a mentor and ask for help, suggestions, and (most importantly in this case) a review of your actions. Accept their criticism with equal grace as you would their compliments. You will find information on Mentorship here: Mentorship and can find how how to request a Mentor here: Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's_Area. One advantage of having a mentor, is that with them working with you, they'll help guide you along to a point where (among other things) you may end up being granted rollback rights, and they will (when they think you are ready) possibly even sponsor you for it.
 * * Find an admin you are comfortable with going to for bigger issues. Believe it or not, Fastily would have been a great choice. In the years I have been online, and the almost year I've had an account, Fastily has always been fair and helpful in every issue I have had or had been involved with.
 * Hope that helps. Now, do you have any questions?


 * RobertMfromLI | User Talk 05:03, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

CSD
Please do not issue CSD templates for image talkpages as you did here. I recommend reading WP:TW/DOC, as it seems you are having trouble learning when and where to use TWINKLE. Remember, if you misuse TWINKLE, it can be taken away. Not saying this is the case in this situation, but just a note. If you have questions, feel free to ask myself or an admin, we are always open to help. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 22:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think in this case the deletion was good, though I wouldn't necessarily carry over the same advice to other similar situations.  — Soap  —  23:17, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

ANI
I have brought some of your behaviors associated with TWINKLE to ANI. You can reply here. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 23:13, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Userbox
FIXED, needed one more "}" at the end-- in te la ti (Call) 00:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah i was fixing that at the same time you were, you beat me to it. Thanks for fixing it -- Inka 888 00:39, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know how I got so fast at doing that, now it is second nature for me. :/

Your welcome.-- in te la ti (Call) 00:41, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

user
Sorry, but you are pushing the point over the line. I will stay out of this one.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:51, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I will stay out of the WP:AN/I you recently posted.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * i'm not sure how to say this nicely, but here is a blunt suggestion.

"Don't do anything stupid for about a month, 4 weeks, Oct 7..."-- in te la ti (Call) 03:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

ANI
Because of the green arrow and "resolved" the conversation is closed and done. Be smart and do safe edits.-- in te la ti (Call) 03:48, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle
Hi Inka,

In this thread, administrator DGG made an administrative decision to revoke your Twinkle access and added you to the blacklist.

It appears you still have access to the tool somehow, perhaps because your cache hasn't been refreshed or something of the sort.

Please enter Special:Preferences &rarr; Gadgets and disable Twinkle and bypass your cache.

You may request to be removed from the Twinkle blacklist after a reasonable amount of time editing manually.

You should ask in the first instance; but if you are unsatisfied with the response, you could also request a review of the decision at WP:AN. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 01:38, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Use of Welcome Templates
Hi Inka 888, earlier I recommended that you be careful about leaving welcome templates on new users pages. It seems you've been leaving a bunch of them recently. Here's the text of one of them:


 * "Hello H2iam, welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page contains a lot of helpful material for new users—please check it out! If you need help, visit Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Inka 888 10:42 pm, Today (UTC−4)"

Note that it tells the new user you are available to help them with their questions. While I think it is commendable that you are welcoming new users, I suspect you may wish to spend more time familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia before you are posting welcome messages offering to help these new users. Also, you should know that there is actually a Wikipedia Welcoming Committee that does just that task, so dont worry, if you dont welcome them, chances are someone else will. You may also wish to consider that putting welcome templates on new users pages does not help with revert counts, or mainspace page edit counts; so, it really doesnt help that much for anything.

At this point, it's up to you whether you want to continue doing that, but I know I'd heed the suggestion if it was given to me.

Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 02:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, I think most questions a brand new user would ask would be something I could answer. Thanks again for all your suggestions, I'm sorry if I'm shooting down a lot of them. Inka  888 03:17, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem... though I think things may have went easier for you if you had listened to a few instead. What's MOS? Why did you recently put a warning on a user's talk page and remove a link to their website that was in their user space? (check mine out: User:RobertMfromLI - you will note I have quite a few links). What's AGF? Describe what a valid cite is? What magazines or companies can I use as references to reviews for musicians/bands/albums? For editors, what does the term weasle mean? What's a lede? How can I find out how to create or update a userbox or infobox or biobox? How do I add a date tag? What's uw-idt3? What's a coi? These are the tiniest portion of the questions a new user will ask help for, and I suspect you do not know the answer to a lot of them without searching for them.


 * But anyway, I made my suggestion. If you get in over your head, ask for help. If you keep everything in control, then great! Best, RobertMfromLI | User Talk 03:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

user pages

 * (edit conflict) Also, be sure to read all of WP:UP, particularly WP:UPNO and WP:UPYES. External links on a user page to someone's personal website are not inappropriate; I have a link to my blog on mine within an established Infobox and many other users do as well.  That is perfectly within guidelines.  Really, the only time you should be editing someone else's user page is for blatant violations of copyright, slander, or otherwise offensive material. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry i was unclear on that thanks for the information. -- Inka 888 03:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Templates
Curious why you edited the Vandalism template? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertMfromLI (talk • contribs)


 * Please sign your posts using four tidles, if you are talking about an edit I made yesterday or before that I still had twinkle then there was a catche problem, I can update the vandalism template information if I want cant I? I knew how much vandalism was going on because in recent changes. -- Inka 888 21:41, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You might want to learn about the unsigned template. All you do is check your pages history for who the unsigned person was, and add the unsigned|username ... that way it gets better archived because it will actually have a timestamp ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 23:31, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry Bwilkins, I should have fixed that... was running out for an onsite when I scribbled my quick response below though. RobertMfromLI | User Talk 00:09, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Recent Changes is not the place to use. Most of the maintainers use Huggle or similar tools that require access to IRC or Rollback. I'd suggest not changing it again because you dont have access to any of those tools. Best RobertMfromLI | User Talk 21:47, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok -- Inka 888 21:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Inka, I've left you a response to your questions on my talk page. Thanks! RobertMfromLI | User Talk 00:09, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

RfA thanks spam
<div style="float:center; border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:#F5FFFA; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">

Hello Inka 888, thank you for supporting my RfA! I was promoted with a final tally of 65/4/3. I hope I can live up to everyone's expectations, do my best for Wikipedia, and take to heart the constructive criticism. Always feel free to message me if I'm around. Magog the Ogre (talk) 11:20, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

your answer
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 * icon_nr    =#(of icons)

}}"

Could you elaborate on that please? Thank,-- Inka 888 19:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

After the Icon Like {{Example... place the code there.-- in te la ti {{sup|(Call)}} 19:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Go to my User page. It is the first two sets of code.-- in te la ti {{sup|(Call)}} 20:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help so far, my talk page is also move protected and I want to put the move protection symbol on my talk page but it keeps overlaping the semi protection symbol and i don't know how to fix that. Also on the topic of user pages how do you make your user page a certain color? -- Inka  888 20:09, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Mine's a Special template with all of the Icons user:Intelati/top. I can make you one too.?.-- in te la ti {{sup|(Call)}} 20:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I would like that.-- Inka {{sup|888}} 20:15, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Give me 15 minutes, but will be at User:Inka 888/top.-- in te la ti {{sup|(Call)}} 20:17, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, I took the liberty to create some additional pages for you. -- in te la ti {{sup|(Call)}} 20:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * {{tl|User:Inka 888/top}} is what you will type at the top of your page.-- in te la ti {{sup|(Call)}} 20:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't add the entire code to your page.-- in te la ti {{sup|(Call)}} 20:26, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You want the separate code so the user page won't get to big and messy. :)-- in te la ti {{sup|(Call)}} 20:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Templates
Thanks for making it for me, is the way it looks now the way it's supposed to be? -- Inka 888 20:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you mean?-- in te la ti (Call) 20:31, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Did I put the code in right, thats all I that I meant -- Inka 888 20:33, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If you make a separate template, you almost never want to put the entire code in the page. This applies to ANY template.  Especially the User:/top. the code is longer than a recent article I wrote.  I fixed the code for you.  There is usually a short ShortCut for each template, put that in between the brackets( – ), hit "show Preview" and check to see if it works.-- in te la ti (Call) 20:38, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I put the whole code in once and it did not look right, that was before I got your message so I changed it to the way you told me to do it. -- Inka 888 20:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure What you mean. Take Template:Kevin Harvick Inc., for example. If I use the "" it shows up like a link.  If I use the Template:Kevin Harvick Inc. it will show up like it does in the page.  to get the link to show with out actually using it add ""tl|" in between the "{{" and the name of the template.-- in te la ti (Call) 20:48, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Go to your sandbox User:Inka 888/Sandbox-- in te la ti (Call) 20:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. Thats why I'm here. I always love a good challenge. (Not that Your a challenge, but helping people is...)-- in te la ti {{sup|(Call)}} 20:53, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Trouted
You have been trouted for: You asked. :)-- in te la ti (Call) 20:02, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

helpme
If you go to here and see the signature I was working on when I try to put into the signature field in my preferences and also the signature got messed up somehow and it says 888 twice for my talk I don't know how to fix that either.
 * Copied and pasted the content of your signature over there. Now, go to your preferences and in the Raw text for your signature part (It's something similar, if not the same) use . That will solve your problem. Anytime you want to edit your signature, do it on the special subpage. Cheers, --Diego Grez (talk) 01:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You need to have the HTML formatting inside the link, after the pipe. If I understand what you are trying to do, then the correct syntax would be: Inka 888  which produces  Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 . If this is not what you wanted, feel free to ask. I advise you against using gold as your font colour; it is uncomfortably bright. You can find a variety of alternative shades here. <font style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> Intelligent  sium  01:31, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've corrected your sandbox link (Wikipedia titles are case-sensitive). Notice I use the HTML &#60;b&#62;&#60;/b&#62; rather than   for the bold part of your username; this is better if you have bold alternating non-bold text in quick succession. Don't worry if you can't get your signature right; it's not exactly the most important element of contributing to Wikipedia. <font style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> Intelligent  sium  01:36, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:EMAIL
-- in te la ti (Call) 02:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:58, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool Sig :) -- in te la ti (Call) 02:58, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks again -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:00, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

He he, sorry :D?-- in te la ti (Call) 04:27, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * About the user box right? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Your signature
I replied on my page but it seems someone has already provided the link. In future, you should see WP:A-Z in the first instance, which is an index of most topics of internal regard. FYI, your signature is now linking to User talk:Inka, however I do not believe you control that account. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 13:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I fixed the link in User:Inka 888/Signature, but you need to copy the santax into the Special Prefences signature box. Thanks.-- in te la ti (Call) 21:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I just fixed it, I guess we did it at the same time -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 21:35, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you did.?. :/-- in te la ti (Call) 21:36, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Before it said user talk inka instead of user talk inka 888 so I changed it. If you notice when I sign here it does not give a link to a talk page indicating that it is my signature on my talk page. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  21:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Good.-- in te la ti (Call) 21:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

My user page
When you edited my user page with an edit summary of sorry but this was wrong what were you refering to? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 06:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I removed the entire code of User:Inka 888/top and replaced it with User:Inka 888/Top. if thats what your talking about.?.-- in te la ti (Call) 16:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thats fine -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 18:13, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:FA
As for crediting, I think the person who wrote the article, or did the rewrite. See User:Nascar1996 for several good article examples.

Two, the "888" on you Signature links to User:Inka.?.-- in te la ti (Call) 20:32, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Fixed.-- in te la ti (Call) 21:10, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

And anyway, just do small edits until your probation is up.-- in te la ti (Call) 20:36, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by probation? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  00:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In the USA, You can get probation from a crime. Almost the same idea here at Wikipedia. Don't do anything wrong during that time, It's a done deal. Once you've served your sentence, and you can do your normal things.  Until you time is up though, you don't want to do anything risky.-- in te la ti (Call) 00:21, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I know what probation is in real life, I didn't know I was on some sort of Wiki probation I was never told that.-- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 00:28, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No, no, no, no... You aren't on any probation. It's just that for these two months of "hiatus" of asking for rollback the other editors are watching your edits.  So I suggest that you try to keep your edits low-key and safe. After the two months, the Sysops will decide if you can reinstall twinkle, and maybe ever Rollback. Sorry about the confusion.-- in te la ti (Call) 00:32, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what I meant by a "wiki probation" I was told that had to wait some time before getting my twinkle back and two months before asking for rollback. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 00:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's like, sorry about that. Ignore my marked out statement. :)-- in te la ti (Call) 00:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That was a very long discussion about something that I knew what you meant. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 00:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "It happens" Sorry about that.-- in te la ti (Call) 00:47, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Joer216
In regard to this edit, I recommend using standardized warning templates when you notify an editor that a page they created is up for speedy deletion. I don't know whether you were trying to do that or create a custom warning, but in this case the sentence "If you think the  at the top of the page" was not a complete sentence, and also misspelled hangon. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:03, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Crap, that looks awful. How do you use the standardized warning templates without twinkle? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Template messages/Deletion is a full list of page warnings and user warnings. i have this bookmarked for the times I need it.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If there is a speedy deletion template on a page, there will almost always be a reference to a template you can put on the article creator's user talk page. For example, if db-person is on a page (like it now is on the page Justin Kranz), it says near the bottom of the template:
 * Please consider placing the template:
 *  Justin Kranz ~ 
 * on the talk page of the author.
 * So you can just copy that template and put it on the user talk page of the person you are giving the warning to. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:14, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:16, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

A Little Tip For You That May Help
Hi Inka 888, here's a little tip that I am not sure if you found yet. Apologies, if you already figured it out. Go into "My Preferences" and then to the "Gadgets" tab, then enable "Navigation Popups" - now, when on RecentChanges, you can mouse over the diffs to get a quick idea of what the diff is. For smaller to mid sized diffs (or any diff I need a preview of), I've found it pretty helpful. And it also works on many other links in Wikipedia (providing you page previews of regular links). Hope that helps you a bit! Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CONTRIBS 04:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually forgot to tell you about this-- in te la ti (Call) 04:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ooops, sorry, one other tip about it. On RecentChanges, if you mouse over the contributing editor, you get their contribution list. And, if you mouse over their talk link, you get a subset of that, but the important part of this one is, you will sometimes see an image in the top right corner of their talk preview pop-up (such as a warning symbol). This can often give you an idea of whether you should look deeper into their edit. It doesnt always indicate they are a vandal though - sometimes it will indicate something like an image deletion notice or some other innocent notice. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CONTRIBS 04:49, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  21:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Top icons
I'm not really sure. ask User:Xeno.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * S/he is not around should I ask Fastily? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Fastily's retired. :( So, ask Xeno, and wait till tomorrow.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:21, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Or find someone else.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:21, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Would fetchcomms be a good user to ask? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:31, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Any Sysop would be fine. So, yes-- in te la ti (Call) 02:39, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
You have  new messages ( last change ).  — fetch ·  comms   03:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Multiple accounts
You can have multiple accounts for two main reasons. One, for public computers. My secondary account User:Intelati1 was built for this reason. The second, is for a doppalganger account See WP:DOPPELGANGER for a complete explanation-- in te la ti (Call) 01:20, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What kind was fastilysock? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:28, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Public computer...-- in te la ti (Call) 01:29, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Fastily Himself blocked it.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * When you say Public computer do you also mean public internet? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:43, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As long as it's your own computer your fine. But companies can install Key Loggers that can log your information, and thus compromize your account. If you use a secondary account less fallout will result. I.e. My main account has the rollback and reviewer.  on my secondary account, I am just an auto confirmed user.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:46, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would only use a alternate account if I was on public computer and I was to edit. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:51, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * yes.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:53, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Would I have to tag it as an alternate account? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:54, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * yes. Look on the WP:Multiple Accounts and my alternate user pages.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:56, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. Not saying I'm going to create an alternate account I was just asking for the reference. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * your welcome.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:10, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Full Protection
Normally one does not want to Fully protect a page. Only in edit wars where the parties do not agree, is the only common reason for fully protection. WP:RFP is the page for requests. Just explain that there is an edit war. then an Sysop will probably fully protect the page for no more than a week.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * (RE: Edit War): First thing to do (at least, this is the way I do it) is (a) talk to those involved ("hey, let's hold for a second on the page reverts and talk about it on the article's talk page"), (b) (if that doesnt work) then drop warnings on everyone's page who is involved in the edit war - when I do that I add a polite message with it... for instance, if they are all experienced editors, I add "Hey, this isn't worth getting blocked for a 3RR or edit war violation... c'mon, let's come to a consensus on the article's talk page before things get out of hand" and then finally (c) if the polite reminders are ignored, or if things are escalating (editors calling each other names), then I report it. Sometimes I interchange (a) and (b) depending: for instance, if the edit war is getting out of control, I may start with (b) followed by polite conversations with those involved if they are so inclined.
 * I just worked on stopping an edit war on Mariah Carey in that way. If you check my edit history, or view my talk page, you'll be able to find it (and the messages I left) via the links there to the users and their contributions. So far so good over there. They are now all actively discussing things on their talk page instead of blind reverting each other and calling each other names.
 * Hope that helps, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 04:36, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I meant more If one were to ask any sysop to edit. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 21:30, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem
Hi Inka :) You wrote "No problem" and gave me a support vote in my Rfa. It worked :) Thanks for the vote. Sincerely  Wifione    <sub style="font-size: 60%">....... <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> Leave a message  19:18, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Bill Verda
Hi again :). iSaw you changed the CSD rationale of Bill Verda form A7 to A3, saying "does not fit a7". The page's contents: Bill Mcdonald Verda ( born February 14, 1980 ) is an American actor., with a generic template at the bottom and multiple maintenance tags. It does indeed, so I've changed it back. While I was writing this message,  deleted the page under WP:CSD. Out of curiosity, why did you think it didn't fit A7?  Airplaneman   ✈  03:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The article had about three or four words in it when I changed it to A3, to fit under A7 an article usually has some content. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:48, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Strictly speaking, I don't think it applied for CSD since it gave his full name and birthday and added that he was an actor and American, but I see where you're coming from. I do believe A7 applied as well, however, as the page did not assert notability with the little content it contained. BTW, I stalk your talk, so no need for talkbacks :). Airplaneman   ✈  03:55, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Since it did not say anything about his acting career, personal life, early life or anything else about him I still think it would fall under A3. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like we carry slightly different opinions on this one. That's fine; I still think A7 applied as well ;). BTW, I stalk your talk, so no need for talkbacks, Airplaneman   ✈  04:18, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for putting the talk back on I have to go somewhere so I wanted your response ASAP. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:22, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

And umm…
Is this really necessary? Airplaneman  ✈  03:37, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Considering that it is an example of move protection on protection policy; I don't think a newcomer would realize that page was move protected. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:44, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * OK; that's a valid reason. It doesn't really matter either way to me, and thanks for clarifying :) Airplaneman   ✈  03:56, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey there
Your userspace doesn't have to be perfect (mine is a mess). Don't forget that this is an encyclopedia and our main goal is to make articles look pretty. Anyway, just wanted to say hi and remind you to focus on mainspace stuff as well. <span style="border:2px solid grey;background:black;padding:1px;color:gold;text-shadow:white 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"><font face="Papyrus"> ℳ ono   feedback 06:12, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

New page patrolling
Hi Inka, Nice to see you  patrolling  new articles. Quite a specialised task! If you  can't  use WP:Twinkle (completes the edit summary  automaticaly  and notifies the author) for any  reason, please be sure to  make a complete edit  summary  especially  when tagging  articles manually  for deletion. 'no content' isn't really  enough when it shows up  on our watchlists. Try to  use things such  as 'CSD G10 attack' or whatever is appropriate. Cheers, --Kudpung (talk) 02:11, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:14, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me
...but when an administrator blocks a user an places a block notice on their talk page, that's one of the few more-or-less sacred actions on Wikipedia that you don't revert. So, what's with this? HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   02:51, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You did not format it properly It said September 2010 about 1,000 times. I was going to tell you that but I got interupted at the moment. Sorry -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * He did that himself (in the edit before). I left it because he can do what the hell he likes on his own talk page and it doesn't bother me because he's blocked. Anyway, don't remove block templates (unless they're clearly invalid) and if you have an issue like that, talk to the admin in future. Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   03:05, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I thought you did that by accident; sorry for the misunderstanding. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:07, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

ANI
Per ANI rules and policies, I must inform you that you have been brought to ANI for past behaviors. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 03:23, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If no one has blocked you from the ANI thread, I will block you the next time you make an incorrect revert, misuse a vandalism template, or do anything like remove someone else's block notice. This already points me toward blocking per WP:CIR. Is it so hard to LOOK at what you are undoing?  — fetch ·  comms   03:26, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * On what gronds making mistakes is not on the grounds for blocking neither is WP:CIR. Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  03:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Inka 888, please read WP:CIR, then also consider that repeated bad reverts and bad warnings may also fall under disruptive edits (which is a blockable offense when it keeps getting repeated). I would also suggest more careful use of wording. When I am speaking to a more experience editor, I tend to word such things in the form of a question to gain better understanding of a situation that I clearly do not understand; that the more experienced editor (in this case, a sysop with a LOT of experience and a pretty fair hand in dealing with everyone) surely has a better understanding of than me. But again, that's just my suggestion. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 03:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Responded on Neutralhomer's page since the discussion on yours has been removed. R OBERT M FROM LI TALK/CNTRB 03:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

FYI
Re-instating vandalism constitutes vandalism. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 03:39, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I was going to say don't say anything stupid. Nevermind. Sorry. I'm trying my best to help you out. The ball's in your court now. -- in te la ti (Call) 03:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2010
Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 04:03, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Who did I attack. Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  04:04, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe this one?-- in te la ti (Call) 04:05, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That was a comment about what he was doing not him personally, still don't see how I broke the rule. Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  04:07, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It could be considered an attack.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:07, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you explain why? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:09, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Because WP:Wikihounding is considered blockable behavior: therefore, accusing someone of doing it without solid grounds is usually considered an attack.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:12, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The overuse of "he did this" and "he did that" is often a clue, and nobody can tell the tone of your voice. Second, on a different subject, this is what I was talking about in the probation. Do safe edits. Now that You "broke" probation, the only thing you can do. (I apologize for the bluntness, but it's required to get my point across) "Straighten up, or get out."-- in te la ti (Call) 04:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Please remember this was NOT intended as an attack, But desperate times call for desperate Measures. Thanks-- in te la ti (Call) 04:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I said "It seems to me that he is some how stalking all my edits" I stated a feeling I did not make an accusation. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:18, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It wasn't necessarily that, but the entire comment had a negative tone to it.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:19, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:21, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I, personally would not have called that an attack, but different editors have different thresholds for "attacking". Here's my offer to mentor you. Please consider this carefully.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:26, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and mentor me when I get back from my wikibreak. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:30, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Good. Sleep on the suggestions. please. thanks-- in te la ti (Call) 04:34, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Inka 888, that is not what you said. Here's just one example: "If you read the top of WP:HA that is what Neutralhomer is doing" - you outright claimed he was harassing you. I've suggested twice before that you slow down and consider your wording. I hope you listen to that advise, because, here's another example. You state, multiple times, that people cant take xxxx right away because they are wrong on Wikipedia's rules and guidelines, you state they are wrong on other things as well. Though you might not intend to do so, what you are writing implies that people like BeyondMyKen, Fastily, SarekOfVulcan, myself, Neutralhomer, and numerous other experienced editors and admins are all wrong (across three ANIs and multiple talk page conversations), and you are correct. I know you probably had no intentions of implying something so absurd, but your wording does imply that. Hence, again, (a) I'd suggest you choose your wording more carefully and (b) address the problems brought up by others instead of being so defensive about them and instead of making more mistakes. I fervently hope that this time, you take mine and everyone else's advice. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 04:31, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer Flag
I have removed this as it is clear that you currently lack the experience and understanding of our policies to use this effectively. You can request any admin for its return as soon as your mentor agrees that you are ready. Spartaz Humbug! 13:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Resolving the issue on ANI
Hi. I have marked the issue about your behavior on ANI as resolved with a few comments that I feel I need to amplify for you: Please take these comments seriously. I wish you success in your mentoring and a productive future editing on Wikipedia. Toddst1 (talk) 14:55, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Your recent conduct has been very disruptive in a number of dimensions. We don't believe that you are being malicious, rather it has become obvious that for whatever reason, there seems to be a lack of understanding and perhaps poor contextual awareness behind many of your actions.  You need to carefully think about each action you make going forward because if the general pattern of your behavior does not change, you will be blocked.
 * The offer of mentoring made to you by is very generous.  You should work with this user to try to better understand how this place works and what types of actions and comments are appropriate and what are not. Hopefully, the mentoring will be successful and you will blossom into a productive editor, working within our policies and customs.  We've seen some amazing successes with relationships like these.
 * As per the ANI decision, Reviewer rights have been removed. Reviewer icon on your userpage has been removed by User:Avraham on 03:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC) to conform with the results/actions decided upon in the ANI. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 03:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Resolving the issue on ANI
Hi. I have marked the issue about your behavior on ANI as resolved with a few comments that I feel I need to amplify for you: Please take these comments seriously. I wish you success in your mentoring and a productive future editing on Wikipedia. Toddst1 (talk) 14:55, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Your recent conduct has been very disruptive in a number of dimensions. We don't believe that you are being malicious, rather it has become obvious that for whatever reason, there seems to be a lack of understanding and perhaps poor contextual awareness behind many of your actions.  You need to carefully think about each action you make going forward because if the general pattern of your behavior does not change, you will be blocked.
 * The offer of mentoring made to you by is very generous.  You should work with this user to try to better understand how this place works and what types of actions and comments are appropriate and what are not. Hopefully, the mentoring will be successful and you will blossom into a productive editor, working within our policies and customs.  We've seen some amazing successes with relationships like these.
 * As per the ANI decision, Reviewer rights have been removed. Reviewer icon on your userpage has been removed by User:Avraham on 03:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC) to conform with the results/actions decided upon in the ANI. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 03:18, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's the basis of what we're doing.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's a good clean start for you.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hows that a good clean start? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Review of the basic Wiki rules... need to eat, be back in an hour. Study that page and the links in it. Feel free to ask questions. (obviously:)-- in te la ti (Call) 02:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Inka 888, I wrote that for my adoptees, but others have been borrowing it for theirs as well. I've had it reviewed by various editors and a couple admins for input, so what you see is the contribution of various experienced editors on my original work. Like I say in the doc, following it will ensure the adoptee never runs into problems, and their mentor can always look out for them. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 02:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Read it -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  02:43, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Read What?-- in te la ti (Call) 03:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm back. So your an addict. :D Like me. Did you find new material that cleared some things up? Or was it all review.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:46, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

If I may interject here, and my apologies for intruding, although mentoring seems like a good idea and the current follow-up of studying the mentoring page seems like a logical step, I would like to ask a question that transcends knowledge of policy. I am referring to this edit by Inka:. IMO this edit is independent of knowledge of any policy because it is a matter of simple logic. I would like to ask Inka what was the logic behind this edit. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:45, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That was a mistake, It was bought multiple times on a on the September, 18th. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply Inka. Sorry but I did not see a justification for the edit although I did see it being mentioned at ANI. Your reply suggests to me that you should be a bit slower in reverting and that you should revert only after you get a good preview of the edit diff. I think that if you follow this simple strategy you should be ok. For more complex issues you should talk to your mentor and you are also welcome to ask me as well if you think I can help. Take care and good luck. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 03:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Side note, that's the type of edit I'd assume good faith on. Looks like someone doesnt know how to properly style things. Woulda done a welcome on their page first, followed by an "editing test" note or a hand written note. But that's just me. On good faith messups, I always like starting with the welcome then note/polite warning. A few "vandals" have ended up turning out to be good contributors after that. (I owe this to a very patient admin who was advising me, btw. So I cant take credit except for following their advice). Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 04:05, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It was obviously an editing test and as such an editing test note would have been appropriate. An editing test evalutation carries automatically with it the assumption of good faith (otherwise vandalism would have been assumed) and it is also reflected in the appropriate level 1 test note that is left on the user's talkpage (which is not as strong as the standard vandalism level 1 warning). Inka with some experience and mentorship will be able to distinguish between the different types of problem edits. I did not wish to elaborate on that too much since Inka is already taking enough advice from many different sides. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis  07:51, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Mentoring
To answer your questions: I was pretty much a review there were some things to get from it. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:32, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * like what?-- in te la ti (Call) 03:57, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:TRUTH, I have not read the page yet but I will get to it soon. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:05, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What don't you understand?-- in te la ti (Call) 04:14, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Likes
In life what do you do for work? What do you like to do in your free time?-- in te la ti (Call) 03:57, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I work at a museum, and I really enjoy to play golf in my free time. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * what Kind of Museum, and Do you have a favorite topic to edit?-- in te la ti (Call) 04:06, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Art. For editing I like to help the project fight vandalism, patrol new pages. I made two reverts today that and I did some new patroling. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What kinds of articles like I like to edit Trains and NASCAR articles. Is there one area that interests you?-- in te la ti (Call) 04:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * never mind, course work selected.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to take so long to respond, there were two edit conflicts. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

CSD tagging
Hi, I'd suggest removing the G1 tag for Tom Logan (director), as I can't see how that would be patent nonsense. Thanks, Access Denied ( Bad revert? ) 04:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅-- in te la ti (Call) 04:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I wonder if Inka meant A1 and not G1? (Of course, right now it has enough context, but still...)  Access Denied ( Bad revert? ) 04:24, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure, but just starting the mentoring process so on behalf of inka sorry.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Vandal Fighting
twice

The safest Vandal fighting you can do is make sure no article has the File:example.jpg in it. is the page with the articles that link to the file. Most of these can be simple to fix. First, check the history to see when it came up. Warn that editor with the subst:uw-test1 template. Then Manually find and delete the edit. Try the Periodic table of elements page first.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't I revert the edit first and warn them after? Are my reverts lately good ones, just wondering what you were thinking about it? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  20:58, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You might not want to revert, you might just need to edit out the filename if the rest of the edit is good. People can add that file by accident if they click the image button and forget to paste in the filename, so a handwritten note to ask them to go back and actually add the image if that was what they set out to do might be better than a template in some circumstances. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Just on templates and files...right? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 00:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean by that. :/, but if it appears that it was an accident write a hand written note. If it is an ip edit in a random place, use the template.- in te la ti (Call) 00:25, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Is that a warning template? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 00:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The template is the level 1 "use the sandbox" template. See here - the guy made a lengthy edit and accidentally added the example.jpg file.  So I edited out the file and left a handwritten note - I think he probably did intend to add an image, but forgot to paste the filename. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:29, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Inka 888, I think I may understand what you are asking (or Elen or intelati already covered it), but you should be looking on the link intelati provided to find articles (definitely NOT templates) that have that image used. Unless it's an article about adding images (like the stuff in the help section), then the image shouldnt be in use in the article. After that, follow intelati's and Elen of the Roads' instructions, and make sure you remember these few things: (1) always assume good faith (even if it means you leave a polite note instead of a warning), (2) if you are not sure, simply skip it and ask intelati about it (this is a great way of learning on these things), (3) be careful you dont touch templates or WP/Wikipedia: pages that use it - the image probably belongs there, and if it doesnt, let someone more experienced remove it or ask intelati. Best of luck to you, and thank you, from all of us, for slowing down a little and asking questions before acting. We all appreciate it. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 00:37, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Yep, exactly.-- in te la ti (Call) 00:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there a problem with the way I'm currently fighting vandalism? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 00:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not anything in particular, but it's always good to start with simple reversions first, then work "up" to more difficult reversions next. I assigned this to you for something productive to do while I get the other things for you to do.-- in te la ti (Call) 00:57, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * So your saying that I should use a warning template instead of a handwritten note? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  00:59, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sometimes. In doubt use a handwritten note, but in blatant cases of testing you can use the template.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:02, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think some users have made their own warning templates, how do I do that?
 * I would focus on just editing as of now, once you are practiced and your restrictions are lifted, then you can experiment with templates. in te la ti (Call) 01:06, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Nonsense
Please watch what you are nom'ing as "patent nonsense" under WP:CSD G1. This edit was not "patent nonsense" and should not have been marked as such. Please be careful when nom'ing things for deletion under CSD. When it doubt, ask me or your mentor. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 04:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought there was a bit of nonsense there: example, "started acting at age ... and directed..." there were a couple more things if I remember corectly, it does not say that any more but when I but the deletion template on the page It did I. I reacted stronger to that because the article is about a person. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If the article has references to verify the subject, then use the cleanup tag to tell others to (umm...) cleanup the article.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:32, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's probably what I should of done. Sorry, -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:34, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's alright, I reverted you before any backlash occurred. See my suggestion above.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:35, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think what the creator of the article did was use a template and forgot to remove the things that weren't created. I did that for them and added the Unreferenced template at top. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 04:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Inka, that's not patent nonsense. Patent nonsense means incoherent, nonmeaningful text or incoherent babble. A few examples would be "w45r6bbt6w397n4twb56tw54nb6nt954ntbn320h5w3n4w", "hi i like cheese yummy", or "susie is my love i wanna kiss her", well, you get the idea. The article you tagged was definitely not patent nonsense. Access Denied ( Bad revert? ) 04:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "Obbghfdjslalala" is always "patent nonsense". "He has 3 eyes and a horn in his forehead" is typically "patent nonsense". ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 21:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Requesting speedy Deletion of Article
I just started working on a stub (Estero River (Florida)) and within 9 minutes you marked it for speedy deletion. You might want to try and 1) contact the writer before immediately marking something as such and 2) calm down and let people get it going before requesting an immediate removal. I wouldn't even think of doing this to someone else unless their article was vandalism. I'm sure it was in good faith but you might want to check someone's history first before tagging articles. (And remember, when you use a generic tag that tells people that they may want to go play in the sandbox, remember many of us have been here much longer than our user history suggests). Remember, sometimes people start things and they have to come back to them later due to interuptions. jswfl09 (talk) 06:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I suggest you refrain from tagging articles altogether. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 07:06, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You probably should have tagged it as under construction. Sorry, -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 19:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Always keep in mind the onus to determine that is yours. If the editor forgets to tag it as under construction, you need to make that determination. In this case, what was appropriate would have been noticing that (checking the page history and realizing the article was just started), assuming it was under construction, and either (a) leaving it alone or (b) tagging it for the editor (as I did), or (c) leaving a very polite note saying nothing more and nothing less than "Hey, noticed you just created an article... maybe you might want to tag it as under construction or as a stub undergoing expansion" - remember, always assume good faith in such. Even if someone else makes a mistake (forgetting to tag the article in this case), your actions are still always your own and your own responsibility. Best,  R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 21:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Either way that was a very poor speedy deletion nomination. The article had context after the initial edit. As I mentioned above, you (Inka 888) need to radically change your behavior here. Consider this a final warning. Toddst1 (talk) 21:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Inka, have you read WP:WIHS? Airplaneman   ✈  22:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 22:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As I say to my son, "eventually sorry does not cut it. Don't do the behaviour and you won't need to say sorry".  Inka, you regularly claim to understand policies again and again.  Then it's painfully clear you don't.  As part of your mentoring, you should be saying to your mentor "I would personally nom article X as CSD Y because...", but NOT nominate it yourself.  That's the idea of mentoring.  They can then tell you right or wrong as to why.  ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 22:51, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It is mind numbing that this conversation is still going about a single mistake, I can't go back in time and fix and untag the article. I understand what has been said already, and I will work on my mistakes. I don't think anything more needs to be said. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 23:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually Inka, it does. It does until you understand you can't go around making continous mistakes, saying "oops, sorry" and still editing.  After awhile, like Bwilkins said, sorry just ain't gonna cut it.  I would recommend asking your mentor before nominating anything for CSD or AFD, again as Bwilkins has said above.  You are really on thin ice here, Dude.  If you mess up at this point, during mentoring, there really isn't anyone going to be on your side.  Take the advice from the admins and users above seriously and to heart, read and read again the policies until they are burnt into your brain, talk to your mentor about everything or an admin, but most of all...when in doubt...don't do it. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 23:10, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. You brought up a good point - I will make sure to tag something like this as under construction in the future.  It was an oversight as I got called away to do something else. jswfl09 (talk)  01:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

New editing restriction
Here's the most mind-numbing part then: you are under an editing restriction for the next 30 days. If you tag ANY article for CSD without expressed written approval from your mentor, I will block you for WP:DISRUPTION, whether correctly tagged or not. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 23:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Second that restriction. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

CSD Practice
User:Intelati/Mentoring What tag would you use on this article?-- in te la ti (Call) 01:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * G1 -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:13, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Why?-- in te la ti (Call) 01:15, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Because It is full of nonsense, not an encyclopedia article at all. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Could it also be WP:CSD G3, which is "vandalism" or "hoax"? There are many options open than G1. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 01:18, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In this case, the article in question is The Stink Bug it was deleted under CSD A10 by -- in te la ti (Call) 01:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ...and after a closer look by myself, Intelati is correct. That goes to show that even people with 36K edits don't always have things right and still have room to learn. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 01:23, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

2
How about this one?-- in te la ti (Call) 01:26, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I'm wrong, It depends on what is more important. Example: page is a talk page that has nothing patent nonsense on it put it is also a talk page for a non-existent article. It probably would go under CSD G8, Right? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:28, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * it is an Actual article.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * G11 -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * G11 is advertising, what does the article advertise?-- in te la ti (Call) 01:34, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The 8th grade girl, it's a soapbox article. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:38, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A7, It gives no reason for importance.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:40, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Dude, A7, unimportant person. Please review the criteria....Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 01:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

3
This one-- in te la ti (Call) 01:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That one fits under two criteria If I were to put it up I would say G11 because of the about a book In a promotional way. Fits G1 a little too. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In this case it is G11, G1 is nonsense which is "jkagh;paukhpn;"-- in te la ti (Call) 01:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats what I said it "if I were to put it up I would say G11". I agree that there was not enough nonsense to fit under G1. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:56, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Reverstion
Now try and remove the file out of some of -- in te la ti (Call) 01:56, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * tell me which one first. So I can Watch you.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:57, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by remove the file? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:58, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As per here-- in te la ti (Call) 01:58, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Are those real articles that should have a file in them? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * yes.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:01, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Then why do you want me to remove them, I not sure exactly what you are asking me to do, could you explain it? Thanks, -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  02:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * All of the linked articles have the File:Example.jpg but should not. This is what I'm asking you to remove.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:06, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Got it. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * make sure to tell me which one first.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I picked Watalappam. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:11, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Squash that bug. :)-- in te la ti (Call) 02:13, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Should I remove the two example images at the top? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  02:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes-- in te la ti (Call) 02:15, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Should I do that now? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Remove the Photos, and warn the user for test editing using Friendly-- in te la ti (Call) 02:18, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know which user put them there, I can't tell from the history. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

look at the last edits before yours.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hint: Use the "prev" link. —DoRD (talk) 02:28, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, you left a unneeded part in the article, Can you find it?-- in te la ti (Call) 02:46, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

talk page
Done -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Weird, but fine. :/ -- in te la ti (Call) 02:32, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no friendly vandalism template. The reason I wanted know how make my own vandalism templates is for when I fight vandalism It would be helpful. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:36, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:WARN keep this page bookmarked it has all the warning templates. Sorry about the confusion.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That was a fail on my part :/ sorry about that.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:45, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It is the wrong welcome template. It tells the user to create an account but the user already has one. It also mentions the IP address of the user which only a checkuser can know. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:37, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what happened, but it says the user do not exsit-- in te la ti (Call) 02:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked and the user exists and the welcome message must be changed to the correct version. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ thanks to -- in te la ti (Call) 02:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed to welcomelaws (closest) and uw-test1. R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 02:44, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Great. Thanks. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:46, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Inka 888, sorry if it seems we jumped on changing it, but that's the purpose of the training while intelati (and his hopefully helpful helpers) are here. We can quickly undo mistakes without you having to worry about repercussions, all with various admins aware of what we are doing and that intelati is playing "damage control" in the event of a mistake. The Welcome templates can be kinda confusing. If you dont have Friendly enabled, then (per intelati's instructions above) enable it. It subdivides the welcome templates so you can figure them out easier - and of course still review the template pages he directed you to. Best, R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 02:49, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * working on a welcome/warn template for you-- in te la ti (Call) 02:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I can also undo things very quickly. Thanks for help so far, -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:56, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank's very much. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:52, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Any time... and I just figured, since I have access to the tools, I can do it quicker and grab the correct template, while you can keep concentrating on working with Intelati. Best, Rob / R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 03:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, your welcom/warn template is done. just type in subst:User:Inka 888/template and the welcome/warning will pop up. Jsut remember not to use it now, unless I say to.-- in te la ti (Call) 03:06, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong with that, I was just saying that I can revert things as well; looking back on it, it was a very stupid comment. Thanks for the help, -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Intelati mentioned that the Watalappam edits need a small cleanup. This should be the final task for this round of tutorials. Can Inka take care of it? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 03:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Go back to here and see if you can find what you missed.-- in te la ti (Call) 03:10, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Some non-existing link, I removed it. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * okay, good, but not what I originally saw.-- in te la ti (Call) 03:18, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Hint: Go to history and check what the test edits included, then remove everything. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 03:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Jeopardy! theme plays. :)-- in te la ti (Call) 03:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * :) Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 03:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:25, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * First four lines of article.-- in te la ti (Call) 03:26, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Tomorrow's lesson, History tab
He should also learn to select and compare revisions from history. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 03:29, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

-- in te la ti (Call) 03:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 03:32, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Night, See you tomorrow.-- in te la ti (Call) 03:32, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Goodnight. Take care. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 03:40, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:DIFF is a good link for starters. Airplaneman   ✈  03:41, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe we can start from Help:Page history and then move to diffs. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 03:47, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Inka's talk page might not be the best place to discuss this, perhaps here instead? Access Denied  <sup style="color:black;">[FATAL ERROR]  03:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it is ok to keep it the way it is. Intelati has been following up quite regularly with tutorials on this page. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 03:57, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

-- in te la ti (Call) 03:59, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * See what I mean? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 04:02, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ;)-- in te la ti (Call) 04:03, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

9/22/2010
I know how to use the history of the page and I also kind of know how to use the diff, there still are a few things I could learn about it, but I know most most things about it. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 22:15, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * What are some of the things don't you understand about it?-- in te la ti (Call) 22:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I just moved it down to new header to start todays conversation.-- in te la ti (Call) 22:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I did not see this section. I don't understand what they mean by lines example: line 9901. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 22:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * For example, click the [edit] link by the 9/22/2010 heading, your comment starts on "line 7."... It's not very useful for the adverage antivanadalism edit, but is useful to see where in the article the edits are (where).-- in te la ti (Call) 22:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Got an chore to run, be back around 0:00 UTC (Wikipedia time).-- in te la ti (Call) 22:29, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I need to learn a lot more than I thought about diff's. I think I pretty much all I need to learn on this topic. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 22:34, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I need to go somewhere as well I will be back around 0:45 UTC. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 22:37, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Helpful Note: That's 00:45, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * -Rob R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 22:40, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Can you go to Watalappam and pick the edits between Yobot and the last edit of Saintindika from history. Then click the button "compare revisions"; copy the link which appears on the address bar of your browser. The link should be: this. Can you try this? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 22:38, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Is This what what you wanted me to do, I've known how to do that since my first two days of editing on wikipedia? - Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 00:45, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, looks like you were confused about it above… Airplaneman   ✈  00:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you elaborate on that a little? Thanks, -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 00:53, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * From above: I don't know which user put them there, I can't tell from the history. --Inka888 02:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC) Airplaneman   ✈  01:00, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Correct Airplaneman. Also remember you couldn't find the "gallery" edits to clean up? Intelati finally did it for you. If as you say you could do this then what prevented you from removing everything this editor added? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 01:10, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I DO recommend reading WP:DIFF and Help:Page history. Thanks, ask ANY question one of the very helpful TPS's will answer your questions.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I understand what a diff is now. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * So what was the problem with the test edits here and you could not remove them all? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:00, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed both of the example pictures, I don't know what other "test edits" were there. I am also unclear as to why they are being called test edits, test editing is more a user not knowing what s/he is doing and saving a page without knowing the whats going to happen or how its going to look. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:06, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Test editing is editing an article, without malicious intentions, just to see if it works or what it will look like. Access Denied  <sup style="color:black;">[FATAL ERROR]  02:08, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In other words what I said, "not knowing what their doing or whats going to happen", same think I was trying to say. I don't see how putting an image on a page is test editing, it is pretty intentional to put an image on a page and it takes some attention and effort. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, but when the images are not suitable for the article this means that the editor was playing with the edit button, or "testing". Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:29, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * The edits here are on four lines. All four lines are the test edits. You removed only the two middle lines but not the outer two lines called . Can you see now that you had to remove all four lines? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis  02:13, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Should I just of removed the unneeded tags? Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  02:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The "gallery" tags AND the images. All four lines as you see in the diff should have been removed. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:18, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

If I may interject (back to the test edit thingy). Sometimes, people will make good faith additions, and simply mess up some piece of wikiformatting, for instance, {{infobox}. Note the missing } on that. I find it also appropriate to send them the test edit message in these cases too (and fix them manually so the other editor's contribution isn't lost). R OBERT M FROM LI TALK/CNTRB 02:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. Good point. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:27, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I was implying that the pictures should have been removed. Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:33, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Good. Also without the pictures we do not need a gallery, therefore the gallery tags should have gone too. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:37, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Test edits
Now try this one. Same deal, a little more complicated.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Should it look like this? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:38, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes! Good. Access Denied  <sup style="color:black;">[FATAL ERROR]  02:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A+!!!-- in te la ti (Call) 02:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to notify the user who added that with a .  Access Denied  <sup style="color:black;">[FATAL ERROR]  02:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Great job! Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

CSD

 * This one has two possible answers. It's one I speedy deleted Multiple times.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's not forget he still has to warn the test editor for the Nutz (band). That should give him some more experience with page history and DIFFs. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 02:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * How about Example 15 on this page? Access Denied  <sup style="color:black;">[FATAL ERROR]  03:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I was not really following, what am I supposed to do? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:32, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A3 maybe? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What is the most applicable CSD tag for TRE3S and Example 15-- in te la ti (Call) 03:34, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A3 for which one?-- in te la ti (Call) 03:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * User:intelati/TRE3S for A3. And the other one would be A7 for Example 15 Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  03:46, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * TRE3S Was deleted for A7 three times and A9 once. I belive Example 15 would be an G2-- in te la ti (Call) 03:51, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * How is anything in example 15 important. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  04:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyway a G2 is a test page.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly sure example 15 was deleted as a G3... Access Denied  <sup style="color:black;">[FATAL ERROR]  04:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Darn.:| almost right-- in te la ti (Call) 04:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * G3 is for pure vandalism and blatant hoaxes, of with example 15 is both.
 * Got it. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:11, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

TRE3S
Can we find out why Inka thought that Intelati's example qualified as A3, which is for no content articles? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 04:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I will assume you are talking about example 15. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No. I am talking about User:Intelati/TRE3S which you classified as A3. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 04:26, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually my example was a real life article usefied under User:Intelati/TRE3S for just this purpose. The Question Dr.K asked is why you thought this one was an empty article?-- in te la ti (Call) 04:27, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Because there were no references, or any real content on the article. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Wrong. If there is any kind of content, real or not, then we cannot say there is no content. Remember: CSD A3 says: "No content whatsoever". It doesn't say "No real content". Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 04:34, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It was deleted under A7 for non-notable music recording, and under A9 for music of a red linked artist.-- in te la ti (Call) 04:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * And properly so. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 04:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * A3 is for articles which only include links (internal or external), references, see also sections, a rephrasing of the title, section headers with no content underneath, attempt to contact the articles subject, or several of the above. I know I sound like a robot here, but whenever I use twinkle for NPPing, it throws that definition right in my face. Access Denied  <sup style="color:black;">[FATAL ERROR]  04:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Clarification: My version of TW says: "A3 No content whatsoever", but even under the full definition of the CSD A3 criterion it is clear that there must be no salvageable content for the criterion to apply. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis  04:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

(ec):::::It shows the full explanation if you click the blue question mark button next to where it says "no content whatsoever." Access Denied <sup style="color:black;">[FATAL ERROR]  05:00, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 05:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

User:Access Denied/CSD Examples
Hi everyone, I'm working on the above page to provide examples of different CSD Criteria that Ive taken from Special:newpages. I'd appreciate anyone's help on this: I am striving for an example of each SCD Criterion. Just copy an applicable page from newpages, remove names if it is an attack page, then add it to my page under a new level2 header. This might help inka improve his knowledge of the speedy criteria while under the 30day NPP restriction., if we regularly point Inka to a random example and ask him to choose the correct criteria. Thanks, Access Denied  <sup style="color:black;">[FATAL ERROR]  06:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There's one like this somewhere - it's often referred to in RFA's as a test of candidates, and I think even as part of new admin school if I'm not incorrect. However, the more examples/tests the merrier!  ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 13:32, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Case Study- Notable vs. Non Notable album Articles
Here is a GA album article. User:Intelati/TRE3S is a bad album article. See if you can spot the differences for tomorrow.-- in te la ti (Call) 05:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me...
...that you did NOT actually remove the notification of your editing restriction off of your talkpage? ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:32, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't speak for Inka, but even if the removal were not a mistake, can't he, in principle, blank, archive or do anything he wants with his talkpage contents? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 09:38, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not when it refers to a current in-place restriction or block. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen this covered in WP:TPG. Is there another policy which forbids this removal? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 10:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It would fall under userpage guidelines ... the phrase in brackets "while any sanctions are still in effect". The restriction is a ban from doing "X" on Wikipedia, and is still in effect for another 28 days. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 10:12, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have said WP:UP not WP:TPG. I can see your point but this being a rather obscure point, in this case I would AGF. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 10:33, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

BWilkins, he archived it along with the rest of the talkpage. I would AGF that this was just overlooking that it should remain. Do you want to put it back yourself? Elen of the Roads (talk) 10:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, this friendly notification was an WP:AGF attempt so that he would reinstate it himself - the responses by others kinda blew it out of proportion. That's sometimes the problem with WP:TPS's :-) (done that myself, actually) ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 11:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can see that happening with TPS like me :) Anyway, hopefully Inka will catch it when he next edits. Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:56, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for calling me a tps, which I am not! I am one of his tutors thank you very much :) Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 16:51, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * (I didn't call you a TPS, I called myself one) ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 17:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Message received. Thanks and take care. :) Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 18:08, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I don't think that the WP:BLANKING section of UP was intended to preclude archiving a thread notifying someone of an editing restriction. It may help to look at the page before some sweeping changes were made: . I would guess that FT2 meant to refer to ban notices such as banned. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 16:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The editing I have done at WP:UP was not really intended to change the spirit of WP:BLANKING. Please feel free to refer to the previous wording if it needs fixing in any way. I think it's more that the wording has always been a bit ambiguous and that section might need some sharpening up. FT2 (Talk 17:18, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Should I put the notice back on this page? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 18:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, please. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 18:08, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅-- in te la ti (Call) 18:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Paradise trees.jpg
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If you have uploaded other files, consider verifying that you have specified sources for those files as well. You can find a list of files you have created [ in your upload log]. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged per Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion, F4. If the image is copyrighted and non-free, the image will be deleted 48 hours after 10:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC) per speedy deletion criterion F7. If you have any questions or are in need of assistance please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I specifeied that It was self created by me/Inka 888, and removed the tag because it has the source information. Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  16:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Nutz (band)
Before we start this, shouldn't Inka warn the editor who inserted the tests on Nutz (band) so that we can finish with the history check and DIFF examples? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 05:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * yes.-- in te la ti (Call) 05:19, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Intelati. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 05:21, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I forgot about that part. :D-- in te la ti (Call) 05:22, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * With the amount of effort you put into this it's understandable. Almost expected. :) Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 05:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

9/24/2010
Assignment We will discuss these tomorrow.-- in te la ti (Call) 06:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Add the test template to the editor who added the test edits. Make sure to put the name of the article in the template. Template:Uw-test1 may be useful.
 * 2) Next compare these two album articles. Breakout (album), and User:Intelati/TRE3S.
 * Moved the current discussion Down to the bottom.-- in te la ti (Call) 23:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't you think it's stale now because I removed the example picures almost 48 hours ago? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 00:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's an exercise. But good point. :/ Try this one now. Gives you an excuse to use your subst:User:Inka 888/template.-- in te la ti (Call) 00:10, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe do the exercise in my sandbox. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 00:13, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Click this link and use your template to warn the user.-- in te la ti (Call) 00:14, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thumbs-up-icon.png-- in te la ti (Call) 00:22, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, sorry for the above comment I didn't see the first link you gave me to the page. Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  00:23, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats alright. ;)-- in te la ti (Call) 00:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) 2 now. What are the main differences in these two articles?-- in te la ti (Call) 00:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Breakout (album) good article that is very informative, and User:Intelati/TRE3S is an unsourced stub. Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  00:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I completely forgot where I was going with it. Ummmm... :/-- in te la ti (Call) 00:35, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, Notablity. Doing a simple Google search is often the easiest way to test notability. Here is the search for TRE3S, 30,600 results. But Breakout has 9,600,000 results. that should be a hint that TRE3S is not notable.-- in te la ti (Call) 00:38, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure besides the quality of the article Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  00:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What would that mean? My tip is useful for the new page patrolling. It's what I do for articles of questionable notability.-- in te la ti (Call) 00:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Then what do you want me to do, I'm confused? Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  00:49, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a discussion of musical articles of questionable nobility in the Special:NewPages.-- in te la ti (Call) 00:52, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What is? Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  00:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The #2 of the list, and the #2 now..., was intended to be a conversation about how to quickly tell if the article is notable. By using the Google test you can get a good idea about the notability of the article.
 * What list?
 * What conversation?
 * What page is it on?
 * What am I supposed to do? - Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  01:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be back in about 45 minutes. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:08, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. :)
 * User talk:Inka 888
 * Todays conversation, the "Next compare these two album articles. Breakout (album), and User:Intelati/TRE3S."
 * this one
 * Discuss how to tell if a musical article is notable or not.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm back, I think it is notable, there are reliable references that come up just by doing a simple google search. I also think it could be expanded. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I'm lost. Which article?-- in te la ti (Call) 01:50, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Intelati/TRE3S  Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  01:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it that search was for the artist "TRE3S." Now I'm confused. Ignore the articles.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:55, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Just a sec.-- in te la ti (Call) 01:55, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Break
what's this CSD?-- in te la ti (Call) 01:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * G11 -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 01:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes-- in te la ti (Call) 02:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

User:Access_Denied/CSD_Examples CSD?-- in te la ti (Call) 02:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * G3 -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * G1, nonsense. There's not one actual sentence. that qualifies as nonsense-- in te la ti (Call) 02:12, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, it seemed more like vandalism if that was in a real article. I thought about saying G1. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:16, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * All of the Examples are full articles from "New Pages"-- in te la ti (Call) 02:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about New pages? -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Special:NewPages, yes-- in te la ti (Call) 02:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Rollback
Do you know when to use the rollback? rather than undo?-- in te la ti (Call) 02:37, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have rollback, but if I had it I would know when to use it. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I mean when is the appropriate time to use the rollback feature using ether WP:Twinkle, or the Wikipedia tool. For example, If I make a good faith edit, would you use the rollback to revert me?-- in te la ti (Call) 02:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If it is a good faith edit I would manually revert. If it was blatant vandalism I would use rollback to remove it quicker. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What if the editor reinstated his edit, what would you do?-- in te la ti (Call) 02:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If they took care of it before I got there I would either leave it alone, or issue a test editing warning. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Wrong meaning, my fault. I meant if a editor reinstated his good faith edit, what would you do?-- in te la ti (Call) 02:53, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * By reinstated you mean removed? Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888  02:55, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Reinstated as in he edits, you revert his edits, then he reverts your revert.-- in te la ti (Call) 02:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I would use the undo in 9 out of 10 cases. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 02:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * When it's clear, he intends to edit war over the subject, what would you do?-- in te la ti (Call) 03:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would still use the undo, after two reverts I would let someone else handle it. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Bingo. Thats our next conversation.-- in te la ti (Call) 03:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

3RR
How do you resolve a content disputation? What is the first step?-- in te la ti (Call) 03:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Bring it up to the user on their talk page. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What if that goes no where?-- in te la ti (Call) 03:08, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Depends on the situation, if the person is breaking a policy them I might bring it up at ANI, if it is a disagreement about the subject matter them I might ask another user to get involved. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:14, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * How would you get other people involved?-- in te la ti (Call) 03:16, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would ask a more experienced user to get involved in the discussion, or I might ask another more experienced user what his/her opinion on the matter is. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:19, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What I would do in this situation, is start a conversation on the talk page of the article. More people access the article than the user pages so you have more opportunity for an uninvolved editor to see it.-- in te la ti (Call) 03:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:23, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Questions
Do you have any questions on anything we have talked about, or random things you have run into in Wikipedia? -- in te la ti (Call) 03:24, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you think I know what I'm doing in with anti vandalism work. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 03:26, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Give me 5 minutes, I'll work up a test for you.-- in te la ti (Call) 03:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

9/27/2010
I'll be gone for the rest of today, and most of tomorrow.
 * 1) Keep all of these cleaned out.
 * 2) AfD will be the next topic of discussion. Study the related pages and ask any question on your talk page. You have 30 or so TPS's so some one will answer your question.--<font color="#FD0000">inte <font color="#FFC000">lati (Call) 16:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * On a related note, 100 threads is a long archive. I would start a new one.--<font color="#FD0000">inte <font color="#FFC000">lati (Call) 16:56, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 16:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Oh, and you bypass the cache on firefox by hitting CTRL+SHIFT+R. Access Denied <sup style="color:black;">[FATAL ERROR]  04:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 04:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Is this how it should look? It is still not working. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 05:01, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Anti-vandalism assignments
What happened to the anti-vandalism assignments? They were archived without being solved. Is this the end of the mentoring? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 06:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not the end of the mentoring. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 15:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Then I have to conclude that User:Intelati/test/1 is not going to be fixed. Is there a reason for that? Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 22:53, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It was a test for him to see if he could use the History tab to find the vandalism.--<font color="#FD0000">inte <font color="#FFC000">lati (Call) 22:54, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly. But he didn't finish it before archiving it. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 22:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately he made a bit of a bollox of it and b0rked the formatting - although I think he figured it out in the end.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:01, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * How did he do that? My instructions were even archived. The test page is still not corrected. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 23:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That confused me - took me five minutes to work out Intelati has unarchived them:) Didn't realise Inka hadn't actually finished. My bad. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem Ellen. Things on this page move so fast it is easy to lose track. I just saw your reply and only by looking at the history of the page. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 23:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

CSD test
When you have the spare time, have a go at tagging User:Access_Denied/CSD_Examples and User:Access_Denied/CSD_Examples --Elen of the Roads (talk) 18:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It would probably be A1. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 18:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Which one? --Elen of the Roads (talk) 19:24, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * example 7 would be A1. -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 20:00, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In what way is it no context? It's about the album Hypersona, the debut album by a British ambient (it's a type of music) musician who uses the recording name 36.  Could you explain why you thought it was no context, see if we can see what the problem is. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It does not really say anything about the album except about the songs and a little bit of other information, there are no references and is a very short "article". -- Inka <sup style="color:gold;">888 20:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Example 7 is an A9, which is an article about an album made by a band which does not have an article. Access Denied  <sup style="color:black;">[FATAL ERROR]  21:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Inka, you'll find hundreds of articles about albums that have pretty much only an infobox and a track listing. As long as the artist has an article, the chances are that the album article passes WP:MUSIC, if the artist does not have an article, it can be speedied as A9.
 * "No context" however means that you cannot work out what the article is about. "Symberman is blue and originated in Detroit." is no context.  "The lesser spotted backsun is a native of the Caribbean." is no context.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:24, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Now how about example 11.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:29, 26 September 2010 (UTC)