User talk:Inquiringmindswanttoknow

March 2014
Hello, I'm NeilN. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Street Artists Program of San Francisco seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.  Neil N  talk to me  00:35, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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To whom it may concern:

Let just say for now that you are who you claim to be. That is; you are an unpaid volunteer that has no connection to the Arts Commission; it's staff and no prior knowledge of the San Francisco Street Artists Program.

Then you may not be aware of the raging controversy that recently erupted when the Arts Commission without proper public input spent over $200,000.00 and published a vanity book that among other things contained numerous factual errors and omissions concerning the founders and creation of the Street Artist Program.

So you may understand my suspicion when after 41 years since the creation of the Street Artist Program and after 13 years that Wikipedia has been launched, coincidentally some one named James Carroll proceeded to collect 40 year old newspaper clippings, write a Wikipedia article, and again deny the credit due to one of the Street Artist Guild founders Bill Clark and attempt as the Arts Commission has done previously, to write him out of Street Artist history.

Furthermore, when you claim you are an disinterested party and the article was"hijacked" and proceed to delete and erase relevant history, my suspicions are heighten further.

The original posting by James Carroll was a draft at best and should have never been publish without the review of another knowledgeable and unbiased artist that was involved with the Street Artist Movement over the four decades that the author attempts to cover.

In addition, James Carroll got the name of the program backwards. The proper name of the program is: the San Francisco Street Artists Program and not the Street Artists Program of San Francisco.

James Carroll bemoans the weeks he expended researching and authoring this issue yet he has no problem denying Bill Clark the 4 decades that Mr. Clark has spent on co-founding and persuading the work for the Street Artist Movement and Street Artist program without any compensation or acknowledgment.

And if this article is not an advertisement but a Encyclopedic account and accurate 41 year history, then there are bound to be controversies that demand to be included under the First Amendment Right of Free Speech.

Even if you disagree with it, you have no right to restrict Free Speech and entirely redact the true controversies that were accurately sourced from two San Francisco Governmental Civil Grand Juries regarding the Arts Commission's mismanagement of the Street Artist Program and a sourced major newspaper article where Bill and Bob Clark had the City return $56,000 misappropriated and then falsely claimed that the :"...Controversy section is totally out of left field and does not fit with the tone of the article at all."

These deletion of pertinent critical government reports that specifically investigated the arts commission mismanagement of the Street Artist program raises serious questions of the competence of cyber editors on this issue and the veracity of their claims that they are unbiased and unpaid editors that is just trying to help achieve a accurate forty year account of the San Francisco Street Artists program. Inquiringmindswanttoknow (talk) 01:33, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I can't speak to the other editors, but I have no dog in this hunt; I ran across your edits while performing recent edit patrol using Huggle, a program we use to monitor recent changes.  I reverted because your edit was non-neutral, and unsourced.  Wikipedia strives for neutrality, presenting the bare facts without passion or prejudice.  We don't always achieve those goals, but we are trying.  For your edits to have a better chance to stand, first try and reduce the tone of advocacy, and second, supply a verifiable, independent source.  For example, if your local newspaper has done any recent articles on the subject, that would be a great place to start.  You can see WP:SOURCES to give you guidance on what is considered a good quality reference.  I hope this helps you in your editing.  If you have any questions, feel free to contact me via my talk page. Cordially.  Sea photo Talk  01:46, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I would like to know how what I posted was not from a creditable sourced and sourced correctly. See below: Controversies

Civil Grand Jury #1 1977

The Civil Grand Jury's Report on the San Francisco Street Artists program states: “A major concern in this area is the issuing of licenses to Street [Artists] Merchants. The rules of "hand crafted”, and "original design of materials" are many times not adhered to by the merchants [Street Artists] and the recommendation of this Jury is directed at the Arts Commission to more carefully review both the new applications and the existing permits of the merchants [Street Artists] and be assured that these ruled have been complied with or refuse to issue a new license, and/or withdraw existing permits."

Source: page 11 http://www.archive.org/stream/civilgrandjuryre197677cali/civilgrandjuryre197677cali_djvu.txt

1987

Artist's Funds Recovered

Street Artist Bill and Bob Clark recover $56,000 for Street Artists. "The Clarks contend that the city misappropriated thousands of dollars from the street-artists program over the past 15 years by putting unspent fees into the city's general fund.

Convinced by their arguments the city controller has agreed to credit the [Street Artists] program with an additional $56,000."

Keane, Thomas G., SF Chronicle Nov. 13,1987 pg. A 4 Brothers Find $56,000 for Street Artist, S.F. Mistake Put Money in General Fund

2011

Street Artist Program Audit

After 40 years without an audit the Arts Commissions requested the Controller to perform one on the Street Artists Program when they discovered Artist's funds were stolen and the Arts Commission staff hid the fact and did not notified them. The report was titled: The Street Artists Program Should Improve Its Internal Controls and Accounting Practices. The audit found that the Program Staff would not perform proper follow up after receiving a bad checks. And a promise was made by the Arts Commission that they would have internet Street Artist Licensing renewal capability by July 19, 2011. Nearly 3 years later that promise has not be fulfilled.

Source: http://sfcontroller.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=2331

2012 Civil Grand Jury #2

A San Francisco Civil Grand Jury of June 2012 investigated the Arts Commission and the Street Artist Program and issued a report titled: "Where There's Smoke... The Need to Strengthen the Art Commission’s Stewardship of San Francisco’s Cultural Legacy" stating: "The [Arts Commission's] institutionalized neglect [of the Street Artists] has real consequences. One consequence of that neglect is that, as estimated by practicing Street Artists, a quarter of items displayed do not meet the requirements for artist-made products." Furthermore, the Civil Grand Jury of June 2012 recommended that the San Francisco Street Artists program be remove from under the Arts Commission's authority and stated : "Relocate the Street Artist Program to the Office of Small Business so the Program and street artists will get the proper attention they deserve and need."

Source: the Grand Jury's Press release at: http://www.sfsuperiorcourt.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/Arts%20News%20Release_072612.pdf

Source: "Where there's smoke" at: http://www.sfgov3.org/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=2627

Inquiringmindswanttoknow (talk) 22:54, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Street Artists Program of San Francisco shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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All editors are required to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view content policy. People who are very close to a subject often have a distorted view of it, which may cause them to inadvertently edit in ways that make the article either too flattering or too disparaging. People with a close connection to a subject are not absolutely prohibited from editing about that subject, but they need to be especially careful about ensuring their edits are verified by reliable sources and writing with as little bias as possible.

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you.  Neil N  talk to me  01:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Please read WP:NPOV
We're not adding self-congratulatory puffery such as this to articles. -- Neil N  talk to me  01:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, please read NOFREESPEECHHERE and WP:NOTSOAPBOX. -- Neil N  talk to me  01:46, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Disruptive and tendentious editing, edit warring, deletion of sourced content. Thank you.  Neil N  talk to me  01:12, 30 April 2014 (UTC)