User talk:Insertcleverphrasehere/Archive 10

Wish list
Getting these issues resolved has been ongoing  now for several years since I first populated the list  of desired improvements. Not wishing  to  intervene too  much  however, since relaxing  not  only  my  tutelage of NPR, but  also  having  largely  withdrawn from editing due to  purely  personal  reasons,   to  support  the perfectly  legal canvassing  for  the Wish list, I  would nevertheless be prepared to  write a compelling  article for  The Signpost about  NPR which  would also  strongly emphasise the need to  support  the Wish list. The magazine has a far greater coverage than the NPR newsletter -  I  elive about  5,000 subscribers. There isn't much time and it  would need to  be in  the November issue at  the latest which  appears at the end of that  month. It's too late  for  the current  issue. I'm not  sure however, what  the deadline is for  the Wish list  submissions.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:53, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That's good to know. I've been filing some Phab tickets for the suggestion page items, and in general organising that page. Getting close to being finished and moving over to a discussion on the reviewers' noticeboard on which of these tasks (or all of them) should be included in our Community Wishlist Survey. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  13:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've been watching what you've been doing and I'm quite impressed. You're beginnig to realise now what my work for NPP has involved over the years. What's the deadline for the wishlist? I just don't have time to hunt around. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * From Community Wishlist Survey 2019
 * Submit, discuss and revise proposals: October 29 to November 11, 2018
 * Community Tech reviews and organizes proposals: November 13 to November 15, 2018
 * Vote on proposals: November 16 to November 30, 2018
 * Results posted: December 3, 2018
 * I'm not sure how to process Page_Curation/Suggested_improvements, but other than that I think I'm done with the Phab Tasks. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  13:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to do  hist merges, but  why  not just  transclude the whole page to  where you  want  it?  I'm going to  be pressed to write an article for this month's Signpost due out at the end of this month, but I'll see what I can do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:46, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * One thing that has always given me  pause is that of the available categories for the wish list, there just isn't one for critical core developments. It really is focussed on convenience gadgets. It's a Catch 22. I think it very  unfair that Horn forces us to go through this process. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)
 * That's OK, I'll just say something to that effect at the start of the proposal. Are we allowed to canvass for votes in the wishlist survey? —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  13:58, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Fortunately, canvassing in all its forms is expressly permitted for the Wish list, unless Horn has changed his mind and I'm not aware of it. I've already started drafting an article for The Signpost - it has to be an article rather than just a short notice, because you would be surprised just how many people don't have a clue what NPP is or if they have even heard about it. They need to know about it and how important NPP is, and if they understand that, we might win their support for a wishlist entry. Leave it with me. I'll also help you script up something compelling for the next newsletter if you like. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. Done. See Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers. I really would love your input as much as possible. Now I need to get back to job applications. I just moved to London and need to find a job and have been procrastinating doing this... 😉 It's progress in some form at least. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  16:20, 19 October 2018 (UTC)


 * We really need to get more discussion going at Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers. I wonder if sending out a newsletter now with an invitation to join in on that conversation would be a good idea? I'd have to send another short message next week with "TIME TO VOTE!" and it might be better if the Vote! message was short and to the point anyway. What is your opinion? —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:02, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That table is excellent  and I  c an imagine the effort you  put  into  it. The problem is nobody  will be bothered to  read it in  detail. That's not  because of you, it's just  the way  Wikipedians are generally. You  probably  won't  remember, but  I  ran a poll  on the very  same thing a couple of years  back before one of Horn's annual stocking  filler offers. I think it's at The future of NPP and AfC but  I  don't  have time to  look. I  think  a newsletter would be a good idea, but  it  should be worded like a newletter rather than an appeal  or a begging  letter. There are ways of making  the right  level  of compelling  text  work. Do remember also that  a lot  of people  have been taking themselves off the Newletter mailing  list -  that's one of the reasons I  suggested they  should therefore be struck  from  the NPR group. Such  people  really  are pur-und-dur  just  hat collectors. I'm  working  on  the Signpost  article. The joke of all  this is that  the WMF has more than enough  funds to  put  a dedicated team of 4 people  on  these issues for  6 months, but  the staff belive the money  is thiers and  any  spending  will  affect  their penion funds or severqnce pay. If  they'd all  spend less time on junkets and more in the office, more would get done. They hardly get home from  one conference than they  start repacking  their suitcases for the next one. I  won't  mention any  names, but  I know who they  are. At least 100 of them were in Wikimania in  SA. $3M to  get  them there and back not  counting  their 5 star hotels,  and the budget  from  scholarships is only  a fraction  of that, and in  some cases the awardees are lucky  if all  they  get  to  eat  for  the week is a dried up bagel, or a plate of thin Chinese rice soup with  a fried egg swimming in it. Bin there, done that, and really did get  the T-shirts. I expect  LDN is a bit  of shock after Kiwiland.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.
 * Backlog


 * Community Wishlist Proposal
 * There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding the drafting of a Community Wishlist Proposal for the purpose of requesting bug fixes and missing/useful features to be added to the New Page Feed and Curation Toolbar.
 * Please join the conversation as we only have until 29 October to draft this proposal!


 * Project updates
 * ORES predictions are now built-in to the feed. These automatically predict the class of an article as well as whether it may be spam, vandalism, or an attack page, and can be filtered by these criteria now allowing reviewers to better target articles that they prefer to review.
 * There are now tools being tested to automatically detect copyright violations in the feed. This detector may not be accurate all the time, though, so it shouldn't be relied on 100% and will only start working on new revisions to pages, not older pages in the backlog.


 * New scripts
 * User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel.js(info) — A new script created for quickly placing copyvio-revdel on a page.

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  20:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hmm
As to this, won't it be possible to integrate this through MediaWiki:PageTriageExternalTagsOptions.js and per this? The default version is stored over here and I note a few en-wiki specific changes, as to our one.(See the addition as to External Links after line 634, for one example.) &#x222F; WBG converse 11:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I have also noticed certain anomalies in your table (extremely helpful and nice work:-)) and am fixing them. &#x222F; WBG converse 11:50, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * --Am I any right? &#x222F; WBG converse 13:35, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , Yes, template tags appear to be entirely controlled entirely through that js. I'll file an edit request in a moment to add source links Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:40, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * sources exist. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  13:43, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * yeah I meant that Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:45, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Edit request filed at MediaWiki_talk:PageTriageExternalTagsOptions.js. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , thanks a lot:-) I wrote the near-same edit-request but backed out speculating upon, whether I was right or not:( &#x222F; WBG converse 14:01, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * --Can MediaWiki:Pagetriage-personal-default-note be copy-edited and will that be reflected on the Curation Toolbar? I'm just picking something for the sake of it.I have no plans to tweak this:-) &#x222F; WBG converse 16:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , yes, that is why it appears as an interface message. You can find all the pagetriage interface messages here. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:52, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , thanks a ton:-) &#x222F; WBG converse 16:57, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , MediaWiki:Pagetriage-mark-mark-talk-page-notify-topic-title, MediaWiki:Pagetriage-mark-unmark-talk-page-notify-topic-title Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:06, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , I figured that out soon and removed my query:-) But, I remain curious as to the source of the hard-coded parts of the body of messages like this. &#x222F; WBG converse 17:21, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * (the negatives of reply-link - no edit conflict given then) Yeah I haven't been able to figure that out. I think that is hardcoded. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:22, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Pretty sure they are hardcoded. There is a Phab task requesting to make them not-hardcoded: See T204464 for more info. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  17:30, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not  quite  sure what  this thread is about -  I don't  have time to  fully  examine it and I'm  not  an expert  on code. However, I  do  remember distinctly  at  one stage being  able to  do  modifications to  the texts in the curation  flyout. So some of that  flyout  is not  hard coded. It  may  require admin  access to  do  it  though. Hope this helps. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * ICPH, I have integrated the banned-user-parameter into the interface-page (as an optional variable) and have taken the liberty to remove the feature of sending t/p notifications, in case of G5 taggings per DENY. Twinkle does not send a t/p message in such cases and I fail to find a single example, as to how a G5-deletion-notice might be ever helpful.If you feel that that the changes are all good, I will put an edit-request. &#x222F; WBG converse 13:21, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Additionally, I hope that you've seen the developments as to the revision-deletion stuff, which I hope, I've managed to execute correctly:-)
 * Yep, I've been following along. The G5 no-notice change looks helpful. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  13:24, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Superlinks
Got your email. Yes, the script is complete — feel free to share it wherever you see fit. The documentation is at User:Bradv/Scripts/Superlinks. If you have any suggestions for improvement, let me know. Cheers. Brad v  04:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I love this script and the related 'powerbar' script. However, I've noticed a bug with regards to it and other scripts I have installed. This is really bizarre, but when I load ONLY the Superlinks script, and nothing else, it doesn't display the 'NPP Flowchart' link on new pages. I did process of elimination in my common.js, and I found that unless I have User:Kephir/gadgets/rater installed, the link won't appear (which is strange, this is a script I don't really even use any more). User:Kephir/gadgets/rater must be doing something that fixes a bug in the superlinks script. Oddly, I noticed that you don't have User:Kephir/gadgets/rater installed, and I tried installing the exact same common.js that you have, and I can't get the 'NPP Flowchart' link to appear on new pages. Any thoughts as to what might be going on here?


 * As for the Powerbar script, I have some suggestions. It would be good to have them colour coded redrirect/non-redirect, and redirects should be linked with 'noredirect' in the URL so that you don't get sent to the target page instead. There is a similar script: User:TheJosh/Scripts/NewPagePatrol.js, but this one also displays 'reviewed' pages (unreviewed ones are greyed so that you know what is reviewed and what isn't), which is useful because you can pick up on stuff that you would otherwise miss if the feed only showed unreviewed pages (such as bad reviews, and bad autopatrolled submissions). Ability to display unreviewed pages as well could be optional or default perhaps? —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:07, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * On a side note, would you by chance know how I can get User:Insertcleverphrasehere/copyvios.js to open in a new tab rather than in the current one? —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:56, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Add this line to your script:   Brad  v  20:34, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Works like a charm. I notice that the above issue doesn't happen anymore, but now I can't get the NPP Flowchart button to appear at all on new pages now. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:14, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The flowchart button works by detecting the presence of the Page Curation toolbar. If one of your other scripts or gadgets is interfering with that then the flowchart button would not show up. Can I request that bugs and feature requests be posted at User talk:Bradv/Scripts/Superlinks? I'm really busy irl right now, and won't get a chance to tinker with this for at least a few more days. Brad  v  14:18, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll make a post there sometime soon. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  14:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Ooh nice. But could it be possible to close the popup window by clicking outside of it? Would be easier when using solely touchpad/mouse than esc or clicking the small close button. Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:12, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This has been an essential part of how I use Wikipedia since I installed it and want to (semi-)publicly thank for it. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:09, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , no problem. It wouldn't have happened without your request. ;) Brad  v  23:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)


 * An additional thing I could suggest: Links similar to User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js when previous AfDs and deletions are present. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  10:25, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Insertcleverphrasehere/NPRtools.js
I was puzzled to see that this has the hidden cat Requested RD1 redactions. Do you know why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sphilbrick (talk • contribs)
 * that's because one of the comments in the js includes the text " " and templates are actually transcluded (in a manner) on javascript pages. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:12, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Insertcleverphrasehere,, anyone: could you nowiki it or something so that it doesn't appear in the RD1 requests category? That'd be great, thank you! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:01, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Only Insertcleverphrasehere and this unholy cabal of 13 users can change it. Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:07, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 18:13, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , Thanks S Philbrick  (Talk)  20:31, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry guys, I copied that comment from the intro of User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel, and didn't realise that it would transclude invisibly like that. I've removed the template transclusion. I was sleeping when all this went down. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  14:39, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Possible page move problem
Hi User:Insertcleverphrasehere, I recently participated in a deletion discussion for Metropolitan Connecticut. I proposed a move at the same page after the AfD closed as a keep. Something strange is going on as the titles are different and the talk page history is not complete. Would you be able to research this and tell me what happened? Thanks, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 17:43, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I undid the premature copy paste move. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  21:24, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I am still new to this. Oldsanfelipe (talk) 21:47, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

My training
I've started a page: User:JC7V7DC5768/NPPschool to track my progress toward becoming a NPR one day. It lists all the pages I would have reviewed (and not deleted), included the tags I'd place. <em style="font-family:Rubik;color:Lollipop">JC7V <em style="font-family:Rubik;color:Lollipop">-talk  16:17, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

And
they are NOT hardcoded, as I was assuming. Read through miles of code to discover Template:Reviewednote-NPF, Template:Reviewednote-NPF and Template:Unreviewednonote-NPF :-) &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 19:56, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, see this edit request to integrate the stuff mentioned, a few sections up.
 * And, shall everything proceed smoothly, the functionality of draftification, (forked from Evad's script) will be available as the fourth option under the trash can, sometime soon:-) &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 20:29, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That's pretty incredible. Thanks WBG. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:05, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * WOOT. Well found! I was wondering, given that the PC tools were supposed to be made so that any Wiki could use them, how that was supposed to work, I guess this answers my question. Cheers, —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  21:31, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:57, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There's a whole list of all of these at Category:New Pages Feed templates, in case you didn't know.-- SkyGazer 512 <span style="background: linear-gradient(aqua, #d580ff);">Oh no, what did I do this time? 15:35, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There's a whole list of all of these at Category:New Pages Feed templates, in case you didn't know.-- SkyGazer 512 <span style="background: linear-gradient(aqua, #d580ff);">Oh no, what did I do this time? 15:35, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * See this thread.
 * I have also put up Template:Reviewednonote-NPF for deletion. Can any of you think of any possible usage? AFAIS, it is not incorporated in the Page-triage Code and serves no function currently.A review without a note does not even allow us to trigger an explicit t/p message and I don't see any reason to tweak those settings, either. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 19:04, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 October 2018
<div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:10, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Stocking fillers
Santa's office at the San Francisco North Pole opened today for  requests for toys for  Christmas. It closes again in just  two weeks when trolling polling starts November 16. Where are you at? As I said, I'll help draft the letter to the man in the pointed red hat. It's needs to be extremely carefully crafted, considering also that there is no category in the polling booth for core MeidaWiki extensions, so anyone blowing their horn that NPP needs to beg on their bended knee before a deity in a grotto, is quite aware that  they  have deliberately put NPP in a Catch 22. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:57, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, had a busy weekend. I'll get back to you tomorrow with a stab at it, and then we can discuss. One of the issues is that some of the stuff we thought was hard coded actually isn't (such as messages; so I need to go through and clear out the list a bit. There are bugs, and there is some stuff (such as 'problem flagging') which was never finished when the tools were created, and the proposed NPR message system that can be used as prominent examples of needed features, and then we can ask for ongoing support from the WMF. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  21:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I had already mentioned that some parts of the fly-out can be locally modified. You'lll need to move ahead extremely quickly with this poll because the if NPP stays too long between the horns of this dilemma, it will be out of it again for yet another year. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:17, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I have made a first draft of the submission here: User:Insertcleverphrasehere/2019_CW_submission. Feel free to discuss on that page's talk page, or to make additions/revisions. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  09:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Please do not post that proposal on the wish list together with the votes that have already been made. Voting is not open yet. That would give the horns of plenty even more reasons to disqualify it. And they will. Copy and paste your proposal when it is ready and without the votes, then you can ask them to make their votes again later. I'll take care of most of the canvassing because I have one or two things up my sleeve (perfectly legal) because NPP is going to need literally hundreds of votes on the wishlist, perhaps so many that it makes a mockery of the wishlist in general. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:44, 30 October 2018 (UTC)


 * BTW, have you ever seen this? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:34, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , I hadn't seen it. Thanks for that... very amusing. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I only  found that  by  coincidence yesterday . It  absolutely  echoes exactly  what  I've been saying  for  years. Perhaps the link  should be sent  to  Mr  Horn to  refresh  his memory. I'll probably  make a Signpost article out  of it if this bid for  support to the Weihnachtsmann fails. I  have a long  list  of bungled affairs by  the WMF. You  can appreciate  my  frustration...Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:50, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , Meh... WMF incompetence is a bit of an old tired story at this point. I logged another wishlist item Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Editing/Reply link for talk pages. User:Enterprisey/reply-link is SUCH a good idea that new editors need access to something similar. If you haven't tried this thing, it is AMAZING. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:54, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This was another of my efforts - 2 years ago. I  also  came across another thread somewhere where they  clearly stated that  they  do  not  neccessarily  intend to take on the development  work  in  the order or priorities expressed in  the wishlist  votes. That  guardedly  means that  wish list  is for  them  only  a guideline. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:36, 30 October 2018 (UTC)Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:33, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for that tip. I love it! Vexations (talk) 12:08, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Test
You are requested to review the workability of the following features, as to NPP feed, over test.wiki and suggest improvements in layout/language:-
 * Under review available under Common.
 * History Merge under Metadata.
 * Sources exist under Sources.
 * Revision deletion under a new category of Copyright violation (which was previously named Unwanted content that sounded pathetic to my ears:( It also had an extra tag reminding of non-policy-abiding external links, which I've taken liberty to shun, as extremely rarely used.)
 * The description of the parameters of the revision deletion tag needs active shortening:-)


 * G5 includes a parameter of banned user (as in Twinkle) and does not send t/p messages.

Best, &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 14:18, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The link to the feed. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 14:20, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I can't get the Page Curation Toolbar to launch over on Testwiki. Is there some trick I'm missing? —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  14:29, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , It looks like sources exist has been added, but it is currently being displayed as: I think it's because I don't have NPR rights over on Test Wiki. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  14:50, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , hmm........It looks like that the reviewer group is bureaucrat-grant-able only:( &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 14:55, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Haha, Typical. Seems like a silly thing to bother 'crats with. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  15:12, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was wrong.No user-group than sysops have the   flag.There exists an group of patrollers but that's an implicit group.Meh!
 * The crats need to be bothered but as to granting the mop! At any case, it's mostly a dormant wiki (except for a few technical-oriented folks) and finding one to execute the grant of flags is real difficult which can take days.Anyways, asking Tito and Oshwah. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 15:23, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * So I guess I was an admin during earlier NPP testing because I could definitely access the curation tools before on test wiki. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:54, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

It looks like sources exist has been added, but it is currently being displayed as: ⧼pagetriage-tags-sourcesexist-label⧽ ⧼pagetriage-tags-sourcesexist-desc⧽ in the toolbar... Seems like a bug. Have the others been added as well? I couldn't find them in the toolbar. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  10:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm......Thanks for noting the issue.
 * It's the same problem, I was initially facing at test.wiki in that the media-wiki messages are not getting called.
 * And, yep that ought be the case:-) Not sure why I and Gallobter missed that!
 * I am asking for a local implementation of the text, (which will work fine but make the .js page a bit clumsy).
 * The integration of other features has been requested via an edit request is yet to be tended to. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 10:44, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your hard work on these issues. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  10:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * -) Done.All changes are live. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 16:34, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , Looks good. The 'under review' tag is slightly awkward in that you have to mark the article as reviewed to place it, and that you have to manually remove it afterwards, but it is useful for when you are reviewing a complicated topic and want to have a bit of time and not get interrupted by another reviewer.
 * I haven't tested the Hist merge or revdel tags yet, as I haven't come across an opportunity yet, but all looks great assuming that they work as expected. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  09:06, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , I can probably set it in such a way that once the page gets reviewed (either by that particular editor or any other), the tag will get auto-removed.Does it sound good? &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 12:27, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be great. Is there some way to have the article not be marked as reviewed when adding the 'Under Review' tag though? Currently to ad the tag at all automatically marks the article as reviewed and then must be quickly reverted, this needlessly complicates the page logs. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  07:44, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I got a chance to test out the revision deletion, and it looks and works great! I didn't realise that it had all the parameters available too, I just assumed it would just add an empty template but was very impressed by the interface. Used on Skull mexican make-up. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:08, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I got a chance to test out the revision deletion, and it looks and works great! I didn't realise that it had all the parameters available too, I just assumed it would just add an empty template but was very impressed by the interface. Used on Skull mexican make-up. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:08, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Wishlist - getting it  known
As promised, I've submitted a draft article for  the magazine, but  as no one seems to be overall control of the editorial team these days and with  only  one dayleft for deadline, I'm not  sure it  will be approved. Perhaps or  could look  into  it. Knowing my  way  around the newsroom  as former E-in-C, I  could do  a DIY job, but  it  looks as if I'm  already persona non  grata there. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:24, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

FYI Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:13, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , There are several things I'm going to do to get the wishlist item known. Once !voting starts I'm going to send out a newsletter, Then I am going to post another NPR advertisement at VPM, the administrators noticeboard etc, with a "New Page Patrol needs you" message that says that we need more reviewers, but if you can't help, to go and support our wishlist item instead. Your Signpost article should help as well, and I'll make note of it in the next newsletter and in the advert. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've already said I  can help and that  I  have a few thing s up  my  sleeve. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:30, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , good to know. We have a couple of weeks until voting opens up, and it looks like the WMF isn't going to argue with us too much abotu the somewhat broad request. I think it was very good that we removed the 'ongoing support' clause before submitting it, given what AKlapper (WMF) and DannyH (WMF) have said over on the proposal page. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:39, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2018).

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Twinkle
WP:NPR's preferred settings for your I don't want to muddle your request at WT:TW any further but it reads like you want the option to set Twinkle's CSD behaviour rather than to set an initial default option. In the long run, given the number of patrollers who are already Twinkle users, and who already have an option set, a more impactful move may be to set up a list (page?) of project preferred Twinkle settings, and to advertise it on NPR.

WP:NPR's preferred settings for your Twinkle/Preferences are:


 * Speedy deletion (CSD)
 * Mark page as patrolled when tagging (if possible)
 * Tag
 * Check the "mark page as patrolled" box by default
 * Warn user
 * Mark page as patrolled when nominating for AFD (if possible)

Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 10:13, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for the info. Cheers. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  10:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Showing the ropes
I see that you're in London now and will be coming to the meetup so we may meet there. I also notice from your user page that you're interested in ropework. When you come to the meetup, you should take a look at Arthur Beale – a historic ropemaker and chandler which is walking distance from the meetup location. I wrote them up when they were threatened with closure but they seem to be doing ok now. We lost some other fine places recently though – Gaby's Deli and the Gay Hussar. When leaving Gaby's on their last night, last week, I noticed that the wonderful map store, Stanfords, is relocating soon, so make the most of that one while you can. Myself, I'm keen to visit NZ so maybe you can give me some tips on what to see there... Andrew D. (talk) 22:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Totally. Look forward to seeing you there. Thanks for the tips. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  07:34, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Your flowchart - interactive?
I thought I'd try to take a stab at what a friendlier tool for NPP might look like. I took your flowchart as an guide and turned it into a page that takes a reviewer through the review process. Have a look, and please let me know what you think: User:Vexations/NPPworkflow Vexations (talk) 04:24, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I thought about doing this a while back. My thought was to use it as an example to request a user script be written where all of this would pop up in a window on the article and new reviewers could click their way through the steps and the script would add the tags/etc to the page as they went. Such a script would likely be very useful as a sort of interactive tutorial. One thing I'd suggest is that when asking if it is 'patent nonsense', etc, that it actually have the CSD rationale there for reference, or at least a 'help' link to it. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  07:39, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Exactly. That's what I was thinking too. That would be next. Vexations (talk) 09:59, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the 'help' link could also link to the tutorial section if there is no relevant policy page. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  10:03, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

NPP school
Hi, to show that I would be a great New Page Reviewer, I've started a page: User:JC7V7DC5768/NPPschool. It lists all of the new unreviewed pages, that if I was a NPR ,I would have reviewed without CSDing, Prodding or AFDing them. It also shows what tags and fixes I made to said articles. Maybe you can review it and tell me if I am making progress??? <em style="font-family:Rubik;color:Lollipop">JC7V <em style="font-family:Rubik;color:Lollipop">-talk  16:42, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , I'll have a look when I have time (moving into a new flat today). Note that I am not really the one you have to convince. I might be the coordinator of NPP but I am not an admin and don't have the ability to change user-rights. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I reviewed the first 56 pages on that list (October). Of those, most have no issues (though I would recommend using WP:RATER more, and turning on the auto-open feature).
 * However, I have notability concerns for 100 Day Renovation (taken to AfD) and I also found Minor copvios/paraphrasing at North Point School for Boys and Lindy Lee. Please remember to always load the copyvio detector. Not sure how people missed the ones on the school, as multiple AfC reviewers appear to have missed it. Stefan Merunka has also been taken to AfD in the meantime, though looking at the confusion at the AfD discussion about whether he passes WP:NTENNIS or not, I don't hold this against you in the slightest.
 * Unfortunately Leslie Joy Whitehead has to be CSDed as a copyright infringement of . The author is probably the same author as that article. The article was a great read and the subject appears quite notable, which is regrettable. I'll chat with the author about it. You really should have noticed this though, and I have to reiterate the need to check for copyvios on every article you review (even if another user previously approved it via AfC).
 * I'd suggest checking the rest of your reviews on that page again for copyvios and notability concerns and I'll have another look in a while. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  12:59, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Interesting to you?
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation Legacypac (talk) 06:08, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Leslie Joy Whitehead
Thank you for your submission. I did some copy-editing on the article and added a "citation needed" tag to a paragraph that lacks any. I added an infobox and filled in a few details; maybe you can fill in more. I hope you can get this article into shape for a quick review, so we can promote it to our November 11 prep set commemorating the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I. Yoninah (talk) 00:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , I'm pretty sure that Natasha found this info directly from geneological sources (these forum posts indicate where the info was sourced from originally but the links are all behind paywalls). However, I don't see any reason why we can't source Natasha and Alan's article directly for this comment, as that is the secondary source where it was first compiled, that is the best way to do it without engaging in synthesis (http://www.ebritic.com/?p=703462). While  (who is Natasha Stoyce from ) didn't cite her article at all while building the wikipedia entry, there isn't any reason we can't, especially when she is the one who compiled and first published info about her life after the war. I've cited it for the last paragraph and removed the CN tag. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  08:00, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear and Insertcleverphrasehere - Insertcleverphrasehere, you're absolutely correct! All of the key information about Jo's personal life has come from genealogical sources such as FamilySearch, Ancestry.com etc. The information about her war-work/life, however, has come directly from contemporary newspaper articles and my own research (into the Scottish Women's Hospitals, with whom she briefly worked).  it would be absolutely fantastic if we could get Jo's name out there in time for the Centenary commemorations, especially as she has not been remembered before now. I would be very happy for the page to be put up for promotion so that more people can hear of this incredible woman. Perhaps somebody out there is a descendant/knows more about her and some of the blanks in her life can be filled out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NataSOfficial (talk • contribs)

Infobox discretionary sanctions
The infobox discretionary sanctions alert was posted here at 07:11, 2 April 2018 and archived 30 minutes later. The alert is active until April 2019 and an Arbcom infobox remedy is available to prevent disruptive commentary in areas where experience shows that a lot of time has been wasted with pointless arguments. I will contact the administrator who placed Talk:Stanley Kubrick under discretionary sanctions to have that remedy enforced if you continue referring to the issue. Any further comments would only be disruption. Johnuniq (talk) 09:53, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Leslie Joy Whitehead
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018
Hello ,
 * Community Wishlist Survey – NPP needs you – Vote NOW
 * Community Wishlist Voting takes place 16 to 30 November for the Page Curation and New Pages Feed improvements, and other software requests. The NPP community is hoping for a good turnout in support of the requests to Santa for the tools we need. This is very important as we have been asking the Foundation for these upgrades for 4 years.


 * If this proposal does not make it into the top ten, it is likely that the tools will be given no support at all for the foreseeable future. So please put in a vote today.


 * We are counting on significant support not only from our own ranks, but from everyone who is concerned with maintaining a Wikipedia that is free of vandalism, promotion, flagrant financial exploitation and other pollution.


 * With all 650 reviewers voting for these urgently needed improvements, our requests would be unlikely to fail. See also The Signpost Special report: 'NPP: This could be heaven or this could be hell for new users – and for the reviewers', and if you are not sure what the wish list is all about, take a sneak peek at an article in this month's upcoming issue of The Signpost which unfortunately due to staff holidays and an impending US holiday will probably not be published until after voting has closed.

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 18:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Help
Hi, I'd like you to do a progress report on me to tell me if I am heading in the right direction. You can view my NPP school. As can be seen, over 97% of the unreviewed new pages that I would have reviewed and not nominated or tagged for deletion are blue links. 2 of the red links are only red due to being CSD'd under G5 criteria. I also invite you to view my afc accepts since my NPR decline I've only accepted drafts that I was 100 percent sure on. I've continued to participate in AFD and still have over 90% match rate. I hope to reapply for NPR within a month within a year ( I'd be more than willing to do so on a probationary basis ). Thank you. JC7V (talk) 02:54, 23 November 2018 (UTC) I've struck the above, I've got a lot more work to do than I thought due to recent mistakes.
 * @JC7V First, have you seen my comments in the section above? I appreciate your energy, but I would focus on quality rather than quantity. Unfortunately, everyone makes mistakes, and the more quantity you do, the more likely you are to make a mistake that admins will point to and deny the user right. I'd slow down a bit more, focus on easy reviews rather than trying to review everything that comes in front of you (the borderline and judgement calls can be left to someone else at this stage, wait till you have more experience to do the difficult reviews). Always check for Copyvios with earwig and if you find them, err on the side of Revision Deletion, not CSD when the topic is notable or borderline notable or where the copied content is not 100% of the article. Blank your NPR school page and start over with the new methodology. In a while, apply and just straight ask for probationary to start with (if you had asked for Probationary in your last request, I think it would have been granted). Hope this helps, cheers. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)  10:53, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 1 December 2018
<div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;"> * Read this Signpost in full * Single-page * Unsubscribe * MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:47, 1 December 2018 (UTC)