User talk:Insidebooksproject

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February 2013
Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that the username you have chosen, "Insidebooksproject", seems to imply that you are editing on behalf of something other than yourself. Please note that you may not edit on behalf of a company, group, institution, product, or website, and Wikipedia does not allow usernames that are promotional or have the appearance of shared use. If you are willing to use a personal account, please take a moment to create a new account or request a username change that represents only yourself as an individual. You should also read our conflict of interest guideline and remember that promotional editing is not acceptable regardless of the username you choose. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. Thank you. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay, apologies for the trouble. Will follow your suggested steps.

Insidebooksproject (talk) 20:51, 11 February 2013 (UTC)Aw
 * No big deal... if you are familiar with any reliable sources, like books, magazine articles, newspaper articles, and the like, that have written about the organization you're interested in, we'd welcome some help in getting appropriate sourcing on that article. I couldn't find sources, but of course you might be more likely to be familiar with some. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:52, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'll look for sources. I apologize for causing trouble. Was just referencing the list and adding a pertinent organization. The list and article is very accurate. You deleted all the list of links + references, which I guess is based on not wanting to promote organizational promotion. But all those organizations are very real and doing the exact work which is promoted in the article.

As the article mentions, there is no central organization or governing structure binding these organizations, so there isn't a source to reference other than the organizations noted in the article.

Insidebooksproject (talk) 20:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think there were any reliable sources in the list I deleted; it was just a list of links to organizations. What's needed is independent sources that have written about this subject and its significance; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a directory of organizations.  If I accidentally deleted a link to a reliable source when I was removing all the organizations, by all means salvage and restore it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:59, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Here are some links:

http://www.texasobserver.org/sending-knowledge-to-texas-inmates/ http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2002-04-19/85647/ http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2012-12-28/civics-101/ http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-rights/2012-prisoners-assistance-directory http://www.prisonbookprogram.org/nprl.pdf http://www.seattleweekly.com/2007-08-15/news/when-did-used-books-become-contraband/

I don't know how to salvage or restore things. Apparently my edit to this page triggered the listings being deleted, which is unfortunate. There are a lot of sources that point to all of these organizations together. I will try to find more sources. I also need to delete this account and start a new one, which I can do, too.

Insidebooksproject (talk) 21:16, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The Seattle Weekly article discussed 'Books to Prisoners,' and I added it to the article.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:19, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Unfortunately, all of the actual organizations which make up the umbrella organization called "Books to Prisoners" were removed. These organizations that make up the larger organization are critical to understanding the larger organization. So removing them removed the practical knowledge. While I understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a listing service, it's clear that listing the partner organizations is critical to listing the larger organization.

The Wikipedia entry is nearly ten years old and serves an important informational role.

The other sources I included reference the partner organizations that make up the larger organization.

I think the entry would be best served by re-listing the partner organizations in the entry.

Ibp (talk) 21:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Does this organization have its own web site? I hope it hasn't been trying to use Wikipedia as a substitute for an organizational web site.  Their web site should definitely contain a directory of local organizations, with links to their web sites.  But Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; only an encyclopedia article explaining what 'Books to Prisoners' is and how it is significant is needed here - with, of course, reliable, independent sources.  The links I removed were not independent sources at all.  This is one reason we try to avoid editing articles in which we have a conflict of interest- is it possible that you are thinking of what would be useful for the organization, more than you are thinking of what is needed to make a good encyclopedia article?  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:34, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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