User talk:Insiston

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(moved from my talk page) Hi can't figure for the life of me why you would want to delete the external link. The Link allows access to the community. A tool just like going to the cenus page for information. Here you can find out obituaries, births, barangay notices etc. No charges to use, or post. Insiston 10:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)insiston
 * Based on your username (which was incredibly similar to the link address) and the fact that the link didn't contribute greatly to the article, nor did it establish credibility to anything in the story, I decided that it looked like link-spamming, or advertising for the website that shares your name. The fact that your only contribution to the encyclopedia has been to add that link to multiple pages seems to cement that plan.  Philippe Beaudette 15:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello PhilippeBeaudette

Hi nice to meet you, just wish it wasn't in this situation. I suppose I need some help in interpeting wiki guidelines. And I am not alone in having trouble in understanding them, note the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:External_links  and I think alot of these people are admin level.

Yes, my user name insiston is not a coincidence, i use this name all over the web. I participate in many forums etc. It was originally a name I used for a security company so its been around for awhile. I moved to the Philippines and have a passion for it there, but we have problems. If you live outside of a major metropolatin area like I do, you have no infomation resources such as newspapers except from major metropolotian areas, hence insiston classifieds. Now people living in every town can list their marriages, obituraries, find a dog in their area etc. Its meant to beef up the information infrastructure. So adding it seemed logical according to the external guidelines I read. Each page covers the barangays, and lists assets to the areas such as newspapers (differs according to editor) businesses etc.

My intention was to contribute to the People in these areas. I thought it would be ok based on the following other links I've seen on many pages such as:

external link: cafe tolyo

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iba%2C_Zambales&oldid=69897222

magazines, jobs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cebu

Now how a cafe is considered ok and mine is not I am not sure of, hence my interpetation issue?

same thing soooo many resort links in the Philippine sections of wiki.

now if someone argues that these draw ones to the area, but this is wiki encyclopedia not wiki travel, people are also drawn to move to an area based on infrastructure including information.

the next one is built into the page although no external link is most definately advertising for a company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porac%2C_Pampanga

Home of Mekeni Food Corporation The Mekeni Food Corporation is an "AAA" Meat Processing Plant accredited with the National Meat Inspection Service (NMIS). Being classified under the "AAA" category, it is qualified to market its products, not just in the local, but in the international market as well. This means that it is compliant to all government regulatory requirements to assure food quality and safety in its operations (Sun Star, 2006).

How are these relavent to the page and mine is not? Why one newspaper and not another? How do cafe's and real estate sales or other business become more relavant? Really I am asking for sincere help in understanding.

so based on what has been allowed, the guidelines and the external editing talk page I hope you can see that my purpose was to provide an link to information for those interested in the area.

perhaps I should have linked to the exact page of of the town?

I see casinos listed, youtube, personal pages, businesses etc. everywhere, even houses, real estate, unofficial sites all over the place. so took this as a great offense as being referred to as spam when these are not.

I also can see how me posting it might have someone draw the wrong conclusions. Finally, regarding your comment that I have contributed nothing else, while I only just signed up a couple of days ago. I will be contributing articles, just give me a chance, I don't think many people in two days have contributed very much. That in itself doesn't make me a spammer. (that obviously bothers me)

Now remember I am seeking to understand the interpetation of the guidelines as I am new, I have stated why I thought I was ok, so please don't be rigid, I know that you boast (your page stats claiming 100% accurate) about how many page vandals (another insult to me) you have bagged like a trophy.

But please all I am asking for is an objective consideration, please don't let your own accuracy statements keep you from being objective and helpful in dealing with me in understanding these guidelines and what I see posted.

I apologize for the length (figure length ok as posted on my discussion page) but it is a case of demonstrating what is posted, what the guidelines say, and how mine differs from these. I am not mad at you, nor seek argument, just help.

Thank you for your time Insiston 02:48, 18 February 2007 (UTC)insiston


 * Hi - thanks for your interest in Wikipedia, and welcome! I wanted to acknowledge that I saw your response, although I haven't taken time (yet!) to review it in detail.  I'll do my very best to do that this evening.  Please understand, though, that simply because similar links exist on Wikipedia (which may or may not be in compliance with our guidelines), does not mean that your can.  The standard is not "something similar exists", but rather whether what you post is appropriate in its own defined circumstance.  In fact, very often in cases like these, the "similar" links or statements end up being deleted as well - it just means that nobody had reported them, or that there is substantial enough difference that they're in compliance with the guidelines.


 * I'll review those links tonight. In the meantime, I encourage you to find other ways to contribute to those articles.  Surely your civic spirit can contribute to those articles in ways other than promotion of your website.  We need subject matter experts on the history, environment, geology, geo-political implications, etc...  Philippe Beaudette 03:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. That explaination so far has helped in my understanding. Those other links most likely were not ok either. That makes more sense. I thought all additions were always checked and that they were approved. Again though in my defense against being labled a spammer or vandal, I did not use my sites name in the link title as my intention was not site promotion but rather information infrastructure promotion for the area.

I will be contributing area articles in the future. Again thanks for your help in clearing up this interpetation.

Insiston 03:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)insiston