User talk:Intern at TCOC

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "TimminsChamberofCommerce", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Foobar Museum of Art". However, you are invited to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you personally, such as "Jack Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87".

Please also note that Wikipedia does not allow accounts to be shared by multiple people, and that you may not advocate for or promote any company, group, organization, product, or website, regardless of your username. Moreover, I recommend that you read our conflict of interest guideline. If you are a single individual and are willing to contribute to Wikipedia in an unbiased manner, please create a new account or request a change of username, by completing this form, choosing a username that complies with our username policy. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. Thank you. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:03, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Conflict of interest and paid editing
Thank you for requesting and receiving a username change. Please understand that regardless of your username, you need to abide by our conflict of interest guideline. Also please be aware that if you are editing on behalf of the organization that employs you, you need to read and comply with WP:PAID. If you have questions, let me know. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 16:23, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Intern at TCOC. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about in the article Timmins Chamber of Commerce, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:


 * avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your family, friends, school, company, club, or organization, as well as any competing companies' projects or products;
 * instead, you are encouraged to propose changes on the Talk pages of affected article(s) (see the request edit template);
 * when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or to the website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. LoudLizard (📞 | contribs | ✉) 18:12, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Timmins Chamber of Commerce


A tag has been placed on Timmins Chamber of Commerce requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Largoplazo (talk) 18:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Your recent edits
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either: This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is necessary to allow other editors to easily see who wrote what and when.
 * 1) Add four tildes  ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment; or
 * 2) With the cursor positioned at the end of your comment, click on the signature button (Insert-signature.png or Signature icon.png) located above the edit window.

Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 18:36, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Talkback
LoudLizard (📞 | contribs | ✉) 18:42, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I appreciate your suggestion, I will work on explaining the notability. For the time being how would I move my page to a draft??


 * Hi Intern at TCOC, I have moved the article to draft space. To move a page, you need to press the "Move" button in the top right hand corner. You can then change the "namespace" the article is kept in to "Draft". There is more information on this here. Thanks, --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 18:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Timmins Chamber of Commerce


A tag has been placed on Draft:Timmins Chamber of Commerce requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from http://www.timminschamber.on.ca/chamber_information/chamber_history.aspx, http://www.timminschamber.on.ca/chamber_information/About_Us.aspx, and http://www.timminschamber.on.ca/timmins_events/Featured_Events.aspx. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

If the external website or image belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text or image — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. If you are not the owner of the external website or image but have permission from that owner, see Requesting copyright permission. You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Hammersoft (talk) 18:56, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Paid editing; PLEASE respond
Above, at User talk:Intern at TCOC, I told you about our Paid-contribution disclosure policy. That policy specifically requires (as in...NOT optional) that you disclose your "employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which they receive, or expect to receive, compensation". The policy goes on to state "Interns, even if not paid directly, are considered employees for this purpose. If they are directed or expected to edit Wikipedia as part of an internship, they must disclose, just as other paid contributors must."

I am asking you again; are you editing as an intern at the Timmins Chamber of Commerce? If so, you MUST disclose this relationship using the instructions found here.

Please respond. Refusing to respond to this request and continuing to edit as you have (via such things as creating articles our drafts about the TCOC or its affiliates) will very likely result in suspension of your abilities to edit here. You may consider this a final warning. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:03, 28 February 2017 (UTC) Hammersoft
 * Hi Hammersoft, Sorry I was away from my computer, I have taken your advisement into consideration and will revise or divulged further into the necessary issues in order for this to be resolved. Thanks for your guidance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Intern at TCOC (talk • contribs)
 * No worries. Thank you for the disclosure on your userpage. I appreciate your compliance with our policy. Also, in the future please sign your comments on talk pages via the signature button in the editing window menu (third button from the right on the menu bar) or by adding four tildas, like this: ~, and it will automatically sign for you. I've more info for you regarding the draft you are working on, but I'll add that in a separate section below. Thanks again, --Hammersoft (talk) 20:42, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Timmins Chamber of Commerce and copyright
I've nominated this page for speedy deletion as a copyright violation of multiple pages from the Timmins Chamber of Commerce website. Even if you work for this organization, we can not accept text from their website without a designated copyright agent of the organization releasing rights to the contents being copied under a license compatible with Wikipedia. But, even if we had such release, it's unlikely we would use the material. While I appreciate your efforts to remove peacock terms from the copy on the draft, the reality is this material is written like promotional material...because that's what it is, being copied from their website.

Wikipedia is written with a neutral tone. This is why it is so difficult for a person who has a conflict of interest, such as yourself, to write about subjects with which you are closely affiliated. We have guidance on this located at Conflict of interest. The short version of that is "Do not edit Wikipedia in your own interests or in the interests of your external relationships." I.e., you should not be editing about the Timmins Chamber of Commerce. Is it possible to write neutrally and dispassionately about this subject? Yes, but it is fraught with difficulties as you have already encountered here.

Believe me, PLENTY of people have walked in your footsteps before, trying to get an entry onto Wikipedia regarding their organization. Time and time again, we see the same arguments; they just want a listing, they are just adding factual information, etc. I've been involved in the blocking of more than 100 accounts that were trying to represent an organization (see this). The arguments are usually the same as the ones you have put forth at Draft_talk:Timmins_Chamber_of_Commerce. More than 160,000 such accounts have been blocked. Contrary to the latest warning above (warning has been retracted), your username is acceptable but....but....your editing pattern is no different than the 160,000 before you.

I strongly, in the most animated terms, discourage you from attempting to recreate this article as an article. The best you can do at this point is to submit a new draft, which isn't a copyright violation, for consideration as an article for creation. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:03, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, you all have valid points, it was not my goal to go against the Wikipedia policy, I am just a new user. I will not be contesting the deletion of this page. Should I ever try to create content again I will start from scratch and take your words into consideration Intern at TCOC
 * You can just do the four tildas, and the software will automatically insert your username for you :) We don't mean to shoo you away. Please understand; an article on the chamber might very well be acceptable, and you would be very important to its formation. I would like to see more citations than just from the Timmons Times group, but there is possibly enough to go on to create a true article. Please, don't abandon hope :) --Hammersoft (talk) 21:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm not quite abandoning all hope but I think my best bet is to step away for now and come back with a new fresh perspective and more research next time I attempt to create an article Intern at TCOC (talk) 21:22, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok. Let me know if/when you need assistance. I'll be happy to help. Just drop a message on my talk page. Good job with the auto-signature :) --Hammersoft (talk) 21:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * In response to your request on the talk page of your draft, I am letting you know that I will not be sending you any version of the text on the page. This is because it's largely unnecessary - the content was copied almost exclusively from various pages on http://www.timminspress.com and http://www.timminschamber.on.ca Primefac (talk) 14:47, 2 March 2017 (UTC)