User talk:IntoCaves

I have created this page for anyone who wants to talk about concrete derived secondary deposits such as stalactites, stalagmites flowstone etc. There is a fair bit of misconception out there about stalactites growing from concrete structures and I have starting to correct some of these misconceptions in Wikipedia articles. This will also include additions to the chemistry on the page "stalactites" which deals with concrete derived stalactites - unfortunately this is greatly lacking and only covers part of the overall picture. In caves the secondary deposits are classified as "Speleothems" however outside of caves this term can't be used to describe secondary deposits under man made concrete structures. I am currently compiling a Wikipedia page to address this. It will be based around published papers on the subject.

Your submission at Articles for creation: Calthemite has been accepted
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Help me!
Please help me with the creation of the category "Calthemite" and associated subgroups. The page on "Calthemite" has been created and has been put in the category as a "Speleothems". However, "Calthemites" are not a "Speleothems" due to the definition, place where they grow, the chemistry, what they are derived from as secondary deposits, and the growth rates are extremely different etc etc.. However, Calthemites which are secondary deposits derived from concrete, mimic the forms and shapes of "Speleothems" derived from limestone, dolomite etc. What really need to happen is that "Calthemite" should be assigned as a new Category. Then linked to Calthemite subcategories would be "Stalactite", "Stalagmite", "Soda straw", "Cave Popcorn (coralloid)", "flowstone", "Stalagnate", "Rimstone", "calcite rafts", "Concrete Degradation". So the list of subcategories of calthemite would be similar to Speleothems (except for "Concrete Degradation" which is not associated with Speleothems).

Newcaves (talk) 11:02, 7 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure it will be particularly helpful for our readers if we have two categories with effectively alomst the same content. Categories are a navigation tool; navigation won't be aided if the same set of articles is categorized in two parallel categories rather than one. It might be more helpful to rename the current category to "Category:Speleothems and caltmeites"; that would need to be discussed at WP:Categories for discussion.
 * That said, categories are created in just the same way as articles; if you feel having two separate categories that largely have identical content is the best way forward, you can create Category:Calthemites (with content that mostly should consist of parent categories) and add the articles in question to that category. Huon (talk) 14:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Huon - appreciate your help and valued comments. Decided to try for a new category as there is such a difference in the two and the fact that "Concrete Degradation" would be a real issue with Speleologists and cavers, as it would not fit in with speleothems at all.

September 2017
Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:Newcastle and Hunter Valley Speleological Society (NHVSS), from its old location at User:Newcaves/sandbox/Newcastle and Hunter Valley Speleological Society (NHVSS). This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you. KGirl (Wanna chat?) 17:07, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Newcaves", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because it gives the impression that your account represents a group, organization or website. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username by completing this form, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you. KGirl (Wanna chat?) 17:07, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * And there's a possible COI where you're connected to the subject. KGirl  (Wanna chat?) 17:10, 4 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi KGirlTrucker81
 * Thanks for moving the page over to the correct location for Articles for Creation. Also thanks for your words of wisdom re my User Name. Yes I see your point as my user name is in part the name of the publication produced by NHVSS. I certainly don't purport to represent the Speleological Society NHVSS or any other group, organization or website. While I have a keen interest in caves and anything to do with speleology, I have NO mandate to represent NHVSS or any other group or organisation.


 * With regard to the comment of possible COI. I don't think this is at all an issue. I have only included in the article for creation, the facts and am in no way promoting a product for sale or an organisation. I actually went to quite a few other listings of different Speleological Societies already on Wikipedia and modelled the NHVSS page on those existing listings and their content. So hopefully using a structure as other listed speleological groups, fingers crossed that it will be accepted. It is rather deflationary and really doesn't inspire new editors to put a lot of time and research into preparing a new page, just to have it rejected outright. I have spent in excess of 40 hours tracking down and reading documents to just compile this brief overview of NHVSS. If this NHVSS page gets up then I will continue to research and write new pages for consideration. Kind regardsNewcaves (talk) 05:08, 5 September 2017 (UTC)


 * OK have taken on board your concern re my user name which could have been mistakenly conceived to be linked to a publication. Looks like all the data from previous edits have transferred over to my new user name. Thanks for the link and suggestion. Regards IntoCaves (talk) 10:07, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Newcastle and Hunter Valley Speleological Society (NHVSS) has been accepted
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