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ARCHIVE PAGE 12: December 2008

Land snails as commercial mollusks?
Well there is a higher level template called fish types which calls up the commercial mollusk template, so from that point of view the template would implicitly be for aquatic mollusks. However, that's no real reason why the template can't stand on its own merits and include landbased mollusks as well. So I would be inclined to add Escargot, but not fight for it if someone objected.

The fish types template has all sorts of problems, as you can see if you explore it. It is very messy. So I am currently writing some missing articles: Forage fish, Schooling fish, Pelagic fish, Predator fish, and a summary article called Fish types. Well that's the plan anyway. I've made a start on Forage fish, which up for DYK. Would you mind casting a critical eye over it, for omissions, inaccuracies, etc. --Geronimo20 (talk) 00:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Phyllodesmium briareum


Wow, what an amazing likeness! Invertzoo (talk) 01:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Seashell
Hi, Invertzoo! Most of the shells in the photo are from North-Wales. I have got a photo of the original colledtion from 1985, which I could upload in addition if you are interested. At the time we found around 25 (of over 200) different kinds of shells at a coastel spot called Shell-Island, south of Harlech Castel. Kind Regards (You will find me in the German WP as user Goldi64).--79.211.211.2 (talk) 23:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Manfred, Thanks so much for the info. I would be very interested in seeing your photo of the original collection you picked up on Shell Island near Harlech Castle. Thanks again, Invertzoo (talk) 23:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I uploaded that seashell-photo. Kind regards,--Manfred Heyde ( talk ) 10:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.211.217.223 (talk)

Ah! Thank you very much, that is really excellent! I put it into the English Wikipedia "Seashell" article and in the "Shell Island" article. Can you tell me when you were there? At any rate what year you were there, and maybe what month? And do you have any other images you took of that group of shells? Many thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 18:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it is the only photo I took at the time. But possibly I still have all those shells in my pocession. So I could rearange that group or take digital photos, bigger and in a better quality than that scan of an old slide, if you want me to. We were on vacation in North-Wales in march/april 1985. Regards,--79.211.193.165 (talk) 07:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi! Here you can see the items I still have in my pocession. Tell me the ones you like to have a single photo of, I will take them. Regards,--79.211.199.37 (talk) 10:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest that I will take photos of all those items, upload them to wp commens under the category of seashell, and you could name them and correct the category if nessecary. Regards, --79.211.206.232 (talk) 12:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I just seperated and named (in German) the different kinds of shells and "Schnecken" (26 or so) as well as I could and will now try and take some makro-like photos. But I do not yet know how well it will work with my simple equipment. We'll see.--79.211.233.97 (talk) 18:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi! I just finished taking photos of all single items! You will find them in the commons caterory of "Seashells", and because of the different categories of "Gastropoda" I added the following gallerie:

Regards,--79.211.202.56 (talk) 12:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)



Wow Manfred, you did very well! The shells are a bit beachworn, but your photos are excellent! I think I can use most of them or maybe all of them. Thank you so very much for taking all the pictures and uploading them. Does the gallery contain all of the images? Or are there any others of them elsewhere? Best to you, User:Invertzoo from English Wikipedia. Invertzoo (talk) 16:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the inforamtion! I did correct the wrong latin name in the description. Now I have nothing more to show, sorry for the bad condition of some items. Look at Shell Island (Wales) again and see the view I have added. Regards,--79.211.197.23 (talk) 11:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:A question about an image of yours
I am afraid this is a mix of shells (and similar objects) from various beaches, and I am pretty sure a big chunk is from the Mediterranean. I could photograph them individually around XMAS.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info Piotrus. It's absolutely not necessary to photograph each of them, but I like the image anyway. I was kind of looking for a group of shells that were all collected on the same beach. If you wanted to photograph anything from it, it could maybe be the chunks of coral rock all grouped together.... But no big deal either way. Thanks again, Invertzoo (talk) 01:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Shelled slug
Hello, there was undiscovered copvio from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shelled_slug&oldid=14354916 in the raticle Shelled slug. I have removed the Life habits section (marked as invisible) and added Bennett's as reference at other two places. Please take a look at it to be sure to remove that copyvio and/or replace "Life habits" with some text. Thank you for cooperation. --Snek01 (talk) 23:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Welcoming Users
I see that you welcomed a user, User talk:74.181.224.12, by simply copy and pasting the text of the Welcome thing. Another option for you in the future is to just type in on the talk page, which will add the proper links. - NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  02:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the helpful info! Invertzoo (talk) 02:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Another option is to add Friendly to your account, which can be done by traveling to My Preferences (at the top of the screen), over to the Gadgets tab, and adding Friendly. A whole host of useful features can be found there. - NuclearWarfare  contact me My work  02:39, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Commercial mollusks
Greetings Invertzoo. I have replied to your query about Commercial mollusc topics on Snek's talk page. I think your template is fine. All the best --Geronimo20 (talk) 02:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, you can use your template to replace fisheries and fishing on those articles as well. I think it is distinctly better. Thank you. Well done! --Geronimo20 (talk) 02:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Scallop dredge is not much more than a stub. The article on dredging does reference it, there is a paragraph about fishing dredges towards the bottom. I think "scallop dredge" should be renamed "fishing dredge" and expanded to included dredging for crabs and shellfish such as the ones you mentioned. Anyway, just add what you think fit. --Geronimo20 (talk) 20:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Ed Wilson
How neat to have someone like Ed Wilson as a friend/mentor&mdash;he looks like a lovely guy. I see Steven Pinker was his student, someone I have always read carefully. It's got me thinking about my own "mentors". So if you live in New York, worked at the MCZ, and use American English, how come you are an expert on British mollusks? --Geronimo20 (talk) 08:18, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, E.O. Wilson is a jewel of a person. I bet PInker is really interesting too although not many are as sweet as Wilson. My other big-time favorite supernice person who is a first-rate academic is Bob Edwards, the test tube baby guy. I worked in the Physiology Lab of Cambridge University in England, when he was there. You see I am British, was born and grew up in England, and spent the first almost 30 years of my life there, but for the last more than 30 years I have lived in the USA. As a child I learned the British marine fairly well and then in the late 60s and 70s I did a lot of mapping work of the British non-marine for the 2 Michael Kerney books, "Atlas of the..." on the British non-marine mollusca. In the USA I was not really active in malacology until about 10 years ago, when I got back into it again in a major way, mostly on the Caribbean marine. Oh, and back in 1970 I lived in California and got to know the local marine mollusk fauna there very well. And you? How come you know so much about fisheries? Invertzoo (talk) 14:24, 8 December 2008 (UTC)Invertzoo (talk) 18:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

What counts as a commercial mollusk?
I did want to ask you how large-scale you think selling has to be before you feel it can be classified as "commercial". In the Caribbean islands of St Kitts & Nevis (and probably elsewhere throughout the Caribbean) they collect and sell Cittarium pica, the large West Indian top snail. But I am not sure whether you would count that as a "commercial fishery". Also in Chinatown here in NYC you can sometimes buy live razor clams Ensis directus collected from somewhere not too far from here on the East Coast. But does that count as "commercial fishery"? See what I mean? Is it legitimate to include these species or not, assuming we can support them with a citation? What do you think? Thanks. Invertzoo (talk) 18:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Ariophanta laevipes
Ariophanta laevipes - a new article. But I found no other references than the one! --Snek01 (talk) 00:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I tidied the prose up a bit. I am confused: there is no image of the anatomy where the image is supposed to be? Maybe you did not upload it yet?

I did find few mentions when I googled the name of the species. On the website: it says:

"LITERATURE: Most of the literature pertaining to the Ariophantidae are scattered in a plethora of monographs and scientific publications. Among the popular land shell literature, "Compendium of Landshells", by R.Tucker Abbott is the best starting point for indentification of the group, illustrating representatives of the larger and more showy genera.  It would take many web pages to list all of the pertinent literature that include references to the Ariophantidae."

On that same page, they do give a link to a nice image of 2 shells of that species. Invertzoo (talk) 02:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Colouration
You've got me thinking. I've always used 'coloration' as I thought it was both British/US spelling, but Googling both spellings show almost as many hits for each. However, it looks like a lot of 'colouration' hits are for trade names. So I guess both spellings are OK. Learning all the time. Cheers GrahamBould (talk) 23:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Please feel free to switch the spelling back again. I was trying to be consistently British with the spelling within that article, but if coloration seems fine to you it's certainly good enough like that! Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 14:20, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Seashells
Hi. I happened to notice your conversation with Manfred Heyde on Commons. I could also provide you with some pictures. Some are already available here. Others on request :-). If you could give me a wish list, I could look out for them. Cheers. Lycaon (talk) 17:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Lycaon! How nice to meet you. Thanks so much for letting me know about your images. I will certainly use the images of Arctica islandica, Glycymeris glycymeris and Mactra corallina right away, and I will go on to use many others of your pre-existing images bit by bit, as I start in on more stub articles for marine mollusks. (Recently I have been working with User:Snek01 a lot on land snails.) It looks as if you have been in the Caribbean area as well as Northern Europe. Where were your Caribbean images taken if you don't mind my asking? A wish list, what a great idea, I will start to put one together, thanks so much for suggesting it. Off-hand I can say that one genus of marine mollusk I would like an image for, even just a shell image, is Aporrhais. A. pespelicani would be nice, but I will take whatever I can get. In terms of more difficult species to find, a better picture that the one we currently have of any of the Onchidiidae would be great. Also there are no pics on the web of living Otinidae. Even an image of the shell of Otina, for example Otina ovata, which you have in Belgium, would be great to have on WP. I will do some more thinking and come back to you with a more complete wish list. Many thanks and all good wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 15:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Image requests (for gastropods only) can be found (for example) at WikiProject Gastropods exactly at WikiProject Gastropods/to do. --Snek01 (talk) 16:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

RE: hi ryan
hey, thanks. i just noticed your article while i was patrolling new pages and thought i'd help out. sorry, but i'm not particularly interested in wikiproject gastropods, i just bounce around in most of the tree of life articles. if you need any specific help let me know, but i don't think id be much of an addition to gastropods project because of the sporadic way i edit articles tree of life topics i'm not more involved in. peace! Ryan shell (talk) 21:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, no problem, but I will bear you in mind if there is something specific we need help with that you could do. I am sure we will come up with something... Thanks so much for offering! Best, Invertzoo (talk) 21:52, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha! OK, almost immediately I find something that needs correcting that I don't know how to do... so... maybe you can explain to me how to do it? If you type "Mactra" into the search slot, you get Mactra corollina which should read Mactra corallina, and you also get Mactra acquilateralis, which should read Mactra aequilateralis. Many thanks. Invertzoo (talk) 22:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Mactra
Ok, so I’ve looked at Mactra corollina, it seems to be a mis-spelling of Mactra corallina. However, M. corollina is redirected over to Mactra stultorum, beccasue  M. corallina is listed as a synomym. So, assuming that “coro” and “cora” are are differentspellings of the same (defunct) binomial name, I redirected both titles over to Mactra stultorum. I did the same thing for Mactra acquilateralis, I believe that this the names you think are misspelled are actually American spellings, and that the correct ones are british spellings of the same name (or vise vesra). I think that should take care of it. Peace! Ryan shell (talk) 01:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey Ryan, peace to you too. I should explain that the great advantage of the Latin names, the scientific names of species, is that they are  >exactly< the same in any language anywhere in the world. So "corollina" is just a plain old spelling mistake, and so is "acquilateralis". It is true that M. corallina is a synonym of M. stultorum, but still we needed a correctly spelled version of it in the search function, so thanks for putting that in there. And the same is true of M. aquilateralis, we need the correctly spelled version in the search function. The incorrectly spelled ones should at the most be simply automatic redirects rather than being listed as if they were a real spelling, at least that is how it seems to me? I don't know if that can be fixed by us or whether an admin needs to do it. Invertzoo (talk) 01:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

alright, if "coro" and "acuil" are plain and simple spelling errors, they should probably be deleted, so they mis=spellings wont show up in the search bar. we could add a speedy deltion tag to each mispelled redirect. if an admin approved the speedy deletion, both of them will be gone within afew days. do you think that will work? peace! Ryan shell (talk) 17:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes I do think that sounds like a good idea. Can you tell me how you add that speedy delete tag? I mean how do you actually find the page to add the tag to? I think perhaps I knew once and have forgotten. Invertzoo (talk) 03:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Trivia arctica
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re: About speedy deleting the wrongly-spelled versions in the search function
to find the redirect your after, just type it in the searchbar. wikipedia will show you the title of the article with a little sub-heading that goes something like "re-directed from whatever" the "wahtever" in this case would be a link to the actual redirect. edit the page and type in. rather than the usual five day system, this template will put it in a category for speedy (delete-on-sight, to admins) deletion. letme know if this works. peace!Ryan shell (talk) 04:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

comic x
yeah, it looks pretty...something. i've noticed its been previously deleted. i'll add the deletion tag (if someone else hasn't already beaten me to it). when the link in the heading turns red it means the article is gone. peace!Ryan shell (talk) 00:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you, and Happy Holidays for you too.

BTW may I please ask you why my image was removed from the article? I mean who cares, but I do not unterstand why to replace the image with such a low resolution one like this ?Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Mila. I meant to put that image back in, but could not locate it, so just now I did so at what I thought was an appropriate point. You see, in the article as a whole I wanted to emphasize the original meaning of seashells: shells as they are found washed up on the beach (and thus tend to be a bit old, sun-bleached and beachworn) rather than the kind of fancy-looking exotic shells that were originally purchased (and before that were live-collected for the shell trade). The international shell trade is mostly very problematic in terms of its ecological impact, as almost all the shells that are for sale are "harvested" by being live-collected in huge amounts, repeatedly. This process often permanently damages the local marine ecosystems, has made several species almost endangered, and also exploits the local people who are paid next to nothing for their labors. Yes, I wish the image of the group of English shells was a lot higher res, but I was searching for images of groups of shells that were all collected in one area, preferably on one beach, and which thus reflects the biodiversity of a local fauna. These kind of natural groupings are known as "death assemblages" and are very interesting to biologists. All best wishes to you, Invertzoo (talk) 19:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, with only one exception all shells on my image were found on beaches around the world by me. For example the longest one was found in Indonesia, and I still do not know what it is. I sprayed my shells with liquid plastic to make them look shiny (like they are wet) exactly as I did with these fossil shells that I found on California beaches: Fossil shells.jpg. BTW, if you believe the article should have more natural looking shells, please go ahead and remove my image. I really do not care. I know it is Wikipedia and that's why I'll try to do my best to stop or at least to limit  my contributions to Wikipedia.  Best wishes. --Mbz1 (talk) 19:57, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well my goodness, you really have found a great selection of shells in your time! I apologize for thinking they were store-bought. I did correct the caption. If you mean the long shell in the middle which is sort of t-shaped, it is Malleus malleus, the black hammer oyster. That's a nice find. It is reasonably common in the Indo-Pacific, but they usually get broken up. We do need an image of that. I don't blame you for being ticked off with WP, it's hard to deal with, giving great stuff and then seeing it treated as if it were just another resource. Best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 20:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

update on comic x
as another user pointed out, my request to have the article speedy deleted was not as sound as it should have been. i put it up for the rest of the community to discuss here. peace!Ryan shell (talk) 20:43, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Historical money of Tibet
Hi Invertzoo, Thank you for your cleanup at History of money of Tibet. It looks very much better now. I've put direct references in the text, so it will not be a struggle for people who'd like to know what source did the statement. Good luck, Davin (talk) 20:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Davin, Thanks so much for weighing in on the article. I only ran into it because a 'bot (User:AlexNewArtBot/Gastropods) mistakenly listed it as a gastropod article (!), on account of the fact that it mentions cowries. I did what I could to make it better. I know a little bit about Tibet, fortunately for me, but nothing at all about this particular topic. Therefore what I could do was only very limited, mostly just cosmetic. If you have not already done so, please make sure I did not do any damage to the meaning during my clean-up efforts. I also wrote an intro, because the article didn't really have one, but again I don't know if I did it justice, I was just winging it. All good wishes and happy holidays, Invertzoo (talk) 21:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll read it through and try to add/correct what I can from what I know from a Tibetan point of view. I hope someone will go into your request of the Numismatics project, since I guess it may lift up the content of the article.
 * I changed the title to Historical money of Tibet, since I feel the article describes more than only history and - as I hope - it will invite others to enlarge the article when they know more about it.
 * Other thing: you just told that you have knowledge of Tibet. I noticed you have found the talk page yet of the new Portal:Tibet. I just created it about a week ago. Now there are to good fellows here on Wikipedia doing a tremendous amount of work on the subject and I wish they can continue doing so without having to bother about other important things on Wikipedia, like the content of the portal. Me myself I'm working 99% of my time on nl.wikipedia, as well on filling the gaps of the Dutch portal of Tibet. Would you by means have the time - possibly with (wiki)collegues - to sort out the whole category:Tibet (and subcategories) to fill in the section of 'topics' in a neat arrangement of the matters? It would do the portal so good, but I got lost in the category and left it like this, hoping someone would have the patience to pick it up. I don't know how much time you spend on Wikipedia and if this is something in the sphere of your kind of preferred things to do? On technical matters of the portal (columns, colors, etc.) I will help you where I can (nl:talk:Davin for quick responses, 'cause I'm not on en.wikipedia on a daily basis). I would yet be pleased by the fact if you would look into it and take a moment to consider it, no matter what your reply is. Sincerely, Davin (talk) 10:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Davin, I spend almost all my time on the English Wikipedia working on the Mollusca, in particular the Gastropoda. In reality I only know a very tiny little bit about Tibet, and mostly only from the religious angle. I took a look just now at the Tibet categories and subcategories as you suggested, and my first impression is that in fact I don't know enough to be able to sort them and organize them. I also have had almost no experience working with categories in general. However I will take another look in a few days and see if it strikes me any differently. All good wishes to you, User:Invertzoo Invertzoo (talk) 19:32, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

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some changes
I made some changes in Hydrobiidae and I started Amnicolidae and Lithoglyphidae. But some articles about their genera may be still categorized in bad category. --Snek01 (talk) 22:32, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx
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Ashfordia
I think we should make these moves:


 * Ashfordiana → Ashfordia —(Discuss)— REASON --Snek01 (talk) 18:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ashfordiana granulata → Ashfordia granulata —(Discuss)— REASON --Snek01 (talk) 18:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh thanks! That is why I could not find many mentions of the species when I was googling! Thanks a lot Snek. I changed them all over to the correct spelling. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 22:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)