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ARCHIVE PAGE 34: October 2010

The Signpost: 4 October 2010
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New article
Hi Susan, I wrote a new article. It is not the one we discussed before, but maybe you'll be interested in helping me out. As always it is perfectly alright, if you are not. here's the article Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:15, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Mila, yes I can help you with this one; things are a bit less busy here now for me. However, today I am off swimming and then working in the museum all afternoon, but I will work on it over the weekend. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 14:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Of course I will include you in my DYK nomination. Please have a nice time swimming.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * DYK nomination is here. Best,--Mbz1 (talk) 18:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * OK did some more fixes on article and on hook. Hope you think all is OK with what I did. Invertzoo (talk) 22:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Great job as always. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I moved the sonnet down to the next section because it was written in response to the accusation of heresy. I also change "poet" back to "poetess" as you wanted, even though some people might claim that the word poetess is sexist in the same way that some people say that the word actress is sexist; that you are an actor or a poet regardless of gender. But we can just go head and leave it as poetess and see what other people think. All good wishes to you, 01:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Susan, it is so strange about "poet" and "poetess". I see now that not only I speak an absolutely different language (I mean my native language), but I simply came from absolutely different world as well. If in my country somebody would have called a woman poetess "a poet", it simply would have been grammatically wrong. Once again, thank you. --Mbz1 (talk) 01:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well people do use both words. Like I said, we can if you like leave it as it is now with "poetess" and see if people object, if so, someone will surely change it back. Invertzoo (talk) 02:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There is more about words. Please take a look at the hook. I had to change it because it is better to avoid using the word "Jewess" . Who could have known!--Mbz1 (talk) 05:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Good, I am glad we got that sorted out. I also decided to change "poetess" back to "poet" once again in the article itself. Generally in English these days, words like actress, poetess, mayoress, usherette, stewardess, are considered to be condescending and politically incorrect. The neutrally-gendered words actor, poet, mayor, usher, flight attendant, are now almost always used instead. After all, when you think about it, in English we don't call a female doctor "a doctorette" or a female teacher a "teacheress", so why not be consistent and make all of those descriptive words gender neutral rather than using words that perhaps seem to imply that there is something odd and special about the female version of those positions. And the -ette endings imply a diminutive, which is doubly demeaning. Anyway, it seems we are good to go on that article! Best, Invertzoo (talk) 15:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I would not be surprised if in a few years the word "woman" would be considered to be "sexist" :) Thank you, Susan!--Mbz1 (talk) 15:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, yes. And then perhaps after that the pendulum will start to swing back the other way again! Invertzoo (talk) 16:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia NYC Meetup Sat Oct 16
In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, review the recent Wiki-Conference NYC 2010, plan for the next stages of projects like Wikipedia Ambassador Program and Wikipedia Academy, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the May meeting's minutes).

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Thanks again
Hi Susan! It was fantastic to meet you and your husband last week. Thanks again for coming out to represent the editor community at the fundraiser. You were really helpful and hopefully I'll see you again soon. If you ever need anything (from me personally or from the community dept. at the Foundation) please don't hesitate to ask. All the best, Steven Walling at work 17:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the award Susan! What a pleasant surprise! I'll keep on contributing as I always have, specially with the Strombid gastropod articles. I'd like you to know that your help with those GA reviews was essential. Daniel Cavallari (talk) 15:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 October 2010
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Tuatua
Hi, I noticed while assessing articles that we have three subspecies articles on tuatua: Paphies subtriangulata subtriangulata, Paphies subtriangulata porrecta and Paphies subtriangulata quoyii, but no article on the species Paphies subtriangulata (redirects to the genus). The articles are more or less identical, focused on the human use of the species, and with nothing to distinguish between the species (in morphology or distribution) - it is probable that such information was lost during copyright cleanup. I'm no expert on gastropods, but wouldn't it be better to merge these three articles to Paphies subtriangulata and add a section on the subspecies? dramatic (talk) 22:01, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello Dramatic. Nice to meet you. Actually Paphies is a clam genus, so these are all bivalves, not gastropods (snails). The articles were created by a user who was blocked for massive and unrepentant wholesale copying from the source listed (Powell, 1979). Because these are bivalve taxa, no-one from our project has looked at the articles or cleaned them up since then. But in any case, yes, you are quite right, I think that for the time being, the Paphies subtriangulata subtriangulata article should simply be moved to become the Paphies subtriangulata article, and the three subspecies should simply be listed in that article. The first one you mention is the nominate subspecies, in other words it is the one that defines the species, and therefore it does not require an article of its own. The other two articles can perhaps be deleted for the time being, that is until someone is inspired to create a proper article for them, if that ever happens. Invertzoo (talk) 23:10, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I realised after posting to the gastropod project that it wasn't a gastropod, so I figured your talk page was a good place since you were so prominent in the GrahamBould cleanup. (I'm doing a WPNZ assessment drive, and reclassing several hundred of those articles as stubs is part of it). I'll go ahead with the moves and redirects. Thanks. dramatic (talk) 01:36, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sara Copia Sullam
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:03, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: An award for you
Hi Susan, Thanks very much for the barnstar. This BRFA was a minor setback. I am sure we can think about ways to get Ganeshbot back in action. — Ganeshk  ( talk ) 12:57, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: A question
Hi Susan, It is possible. We can expand the requirement to look for, red link clades, super families, families and genuses. I will let you know when the pages are ready. — Ganeshk  ( talk ) 13:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ Done The list is here, WikiProject Gastropods/Needed genus. I did not find any missing families or super families. — Ganeshk  ( talk ) 03:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Turbo smaragdus
Hi, Could you take a look at Turbo smaragdus? It's not as straightforward as the four other unfixed GrahamBould articles I've found and cleaned, in that there are two versions of the description, one rewritten. dramatic (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Two new articles - Earth's shadow
Hello Susan, I have not re-written Duel at Lake Merced yet. It is here, and if you have a time and a wish, please do re-write it, this will be great! Otherwise I hope to do it in a week or so. On the other hand here's my new article. Please let me know, if you could fix this one. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 00:35, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will first try to fix up the new article on Earth's shadow. After that I will take a look at the Duel article, although it would be easier for me if you try to rewrite it first, before I fix it up, because at this point you know a lot more about the subject than I do, and you also have a better idea of which parts need the most rewriting. Best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 13:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Susan, I moved the new one to main space Earth's shadow. I am not sure when and if, I will get to the other one. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * DYK nomination is here. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:54, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi again Mila. Please take a look at the article now. I expanded the caption on the image. I also tweak the intro quite a bit because of the fact that on the DYK nom page, the reviewer pointed out that night itself is a direct effect of the shadow of the Earth. Hope the changes I made meet with your approval. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 17:11, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * A few editors from relevant WikiProjects have either made small changes or suggested improvements. I have tried to add a bit according to suggestions. See the article talk page too. Invertzoo (talk) 21:21, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I did see it, but decided it will be better, if you're to deal with the request than later on fix my English. Thank you! Who would have thought that the article will evoke such an interest.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well really it is a very interesting subject and one that overlaps a lot of WikiProjects. You come up with a lot of interesting subjects Mila! Invertzoo (talk) 02:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Susan! I will try to work on duel one over weekend.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:37, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Susan, I am not sure, if you like this one any better, but I am afraid it is the only one I have now, and I have no idea, when I will be able to take another image. Best.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:10, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That one is nice too! Was that one taken at sunset, looking east? Invertzoo (talk) 23:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Yes, it was taken at sunset from Marin Headlands.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:35, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I added it in because one is taken at sunrise, and the other at sunset, I think that's interesting. Hope you think it's OK to put both in. Invertzoo (talk) 23:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course. Thank you for helping me with those articles. With such a quality help you're providing I might think about writing some more :)--Mbz1 (talk) 22:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Broderick-Terry duel
Hi Susan, I rewrote that duel thing User:Mbz1/Duel at Lake Merced. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:53, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I changed the name of the article and moved it to the main space Broderick – Terry duel because I would not like your edit history to be lost. DYK is somewhere here Best.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have done quite a bit of work on it already, but will probably do more. Invertzoo (talk) 21:45, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw it. Thank you!--Mbz1 (talk) 22:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 October 2010
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Non-breaking spaces
Thanks for the cool tip! AshLin (talk) 01:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to report
Dear Zoo,

Nothing to report here from Australia.

But I thought of you lately. Particularly when I took a photo this morning of a small bug in the garden. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Caenoplana_coerulea_blue_underneath.JPG

When I write about gorgeous, beautiful things on the internet, they get lots of hits. Such as Eriostemon australasius When I write about less than beautiful things like Caenoplana coerulea then almost no-one responds.

As mentioned before, the great and the ugly, the gorgeous and the boring are of interest to me. And despite appearances, I love them all.

kind regards, Peter xxx

Poyt448 (talk) 11:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 October 2010
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DYK for Earth's shadow
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 18:02, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Invertzoo. I randomly came across your latest DYK today on the Earth's shadow on the wikipedia mainpage without realising at first who put it together. It was a nice surprise to see that you had substantially made the article! I found it an interesting read. Thanks and best wishes Antarctic-adventurer (talk)  20:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)