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ARCHIVE PAGE 87: March 2015

Pia de' Tolomei (painting)
Thanks for adding the entry.

Many prominent painters depicted this subject, could we rename the title to something that specifically references the particular author? Rococo1700 (talk) 12:55, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Rococo1700. I have no idea what you mean; I have never edited that article. You must have me confused with someone else. Invertzoo (talk)

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12:59, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry my bad. Rococo1700 (talk) 16:41, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

reply in regards to Spot Fish Article
You mentioned you were looking for a fish expert. As I explained to the admins, I am originally from Portsmouth Virginia. I have done much volunteer work for a friend of mine which owns Coastal Harvest Fishing & Crabbing inc. I enjoyed fishing all of my life well into my adulthood and even still today. One thing I am familiar with among all things are the fish native to the Chesapeake bay, lol including their size & catch limits. I took this article on after finding the false information on the original article. The biggest issue I originally had was the inaccuracy on the name. They are really only known officially as Spot or Spot Fish, they have a nickname of the Norfolk Spot in VA. but in MD / VA / NC & SC they are only known as Spot. They are a type of drum fish, Google the following images, Puppy Drum, Red Drum, Black Drum, Drum & Spot fish, the spot is a much smaller fish than the drums it is only part of the family. Croaker are in that family as well but!!! Croakers are named Croaker for the specific reason that when you pull them out of water they croak. Check youtube you can find several videos of Croakers croaking. Notice they don't have spots, There are a couple types of Croakers and they are Atlantic & White Croakers. they have purple hues & a faint line across the side of their bodies.

Cheatspace (talk) 22:34, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * You are engaged in what is known on Wikipedia as original research. You cannot argue here on the basis that you have personal authority. You must back your claims instead with reliable sources. The principal sources used on Wikipedia for the common names of fishes are FishBase and the FAO. FishBase is the world's foremost database on adult fin fish, overseen by some of the world's most prominent fish biologists, while the FAO determine the common names used by fisheries and commercial fishermen around the world. Both these authorities agree that the common English name for Leiostomus xanthurus is the spot croaker. If you want to argue against this, then your argument is with the ichthyologists at FishBase and the fisheries scientists from the FAO, not with Wikipedia. --Epipelagic (talk) 23:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry Cheatspace, I should explain that when I said I was looking for a fish expert, I meant an expert Wikipedia editor who specializes in articles about fish and fishing. When I post a note on an article talk page, the best thing to do is to reply on that talk page. Thanks. 00:02, 1 March 2015 (UTC)Invertzoo (talk)

Please check out the following books from your local library. Fishes of Chesapeake Bay: A Guides to Freshtwater and Saltwater Species Saltwater Fishes North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia: A Guide to Inshore and Offshore Species Ken Schultz's Field Guide to Saltwater Fish The Illustrated Guide to Marine Fish of the World Encyclopedia of Marine Science Encyclopedia of the Aquatic World Encyclopedia of Coastal Science None of these books will you at all find the Spot(fish) referred to by or referenced as a croaker.

Also check out these 2 videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P447yPGN8wM - notice no sound coming from the fish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtiPtWT9mnk - croaker(NOT A SPOT) croaking. Oh and so i am not called bias. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=spot+croaking find 1 video showing a spot croaking(Unedited) I will donate $10,000 to Wikipedia and recant my article. All you will find are Atlantic & White Croakers.

Cheatspace (talk) 00:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Fiona pinnata
Looking at this article Fiona pinnata it has been repeatedly vandalised by a user at IP 107.3.74.36 since 2012. Can anything be done? BernardP (talk) 10:45, 4 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The first thing to do is to leave a warning note on the talk page of the IP address's account. Bear in mind that the address may belong to a school or somewhere else where multiple users access the same account (even though joint accounts are not allowed on Wikipedia). Is the vandalism always the exact same kind of thing,therefore seeming that it is always the same person doing it? Is it clearly vandalism and not test edits?


 * It is also worth examining the edit history of the account to try to find out if all or most of the edits made from that account are vandalism.


 * If it is clearly vandalism you can warn the account that they may get blocked if they persist in this kind of thing. A personal note sometimes works better than templating, although template warnings are also good.


 * There is a great deal of good info here:


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism


 * That page includes template warnings of increasing levels of severity. It is also possible to trace the IP address to find out more about it. If genuine vandalism has been going on for quite some time it may be possible to get the account blocked pretty rapidly, but it is good to post some warnings first. Read the page and you will know more than I can tell you. But feel free to ask me more questions about this. Invertzoo (talk) 13:18, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

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Saving one of those composite images
Hi Susan! Long time. I hope you, User:JoJan, and User:Snek01 are well.

This image is going to be deleted unless I can find the source images. I'm not sure why I didn't list the others. It was a long time ago, and I was new.

Identified:
 * Mauritia mauritiana
 * Biplex perca

If you know the others, please say. I'd be very grateful.

All the best! :)

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:51, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I can try... Invertzoo (talk) 23:20, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. :)

Convenience link:

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:44, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I can't attempt to give you species names without a huge amount of research, but this is what I think. Going clockwise from the top left, the first is a Maoricolpus, the second is Cypraeidae, the third are a group of fossil Turritella, the 4th and 5th you already know, right? And the sixth is an apple snail, Pomacea.
 * No worries. I'll take it from here. You've given me something to go on. Cheers! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:52, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The images for the Turritella and the Pomacea you will find when you follow the links to those articles. Invertzoo (talk) 23:53, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:55, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, very good! Well done Anna! Invertzoo (talk) 01:45, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Bottom middle is still a mystery. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:16, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * That is some sort of fancy Murex. Invertzoo (talk) 11:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Well, I've swapped a different image in. All is sorted out now. Thanks for the help. Also, it's not a terribly important composite, plus it's low res anyhow. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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