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Your submission at Articles for creation: Colin William fforde Wyatt (September 11)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Utopes were:

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Utopes (talk / cont) 21:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello,
 * Thank you. Yes, I am disappointed. However, I think I understand the reasons and will continue working on the submission.
 * I very much want a correct, full and factual account of this person to be available through Wikipedia, as I see incorrect information being cut and pasted in various articles and so on.
 * I will look at the Articles for creation help desk and reviewer's talk page. I look forward to Teahouse.
 * I would like to know why my draft submission within a few days appeared on Wikitia, without the pictures, by a user called Andrea Glover. Does this happen often and what can be done about it, as it is, after all, a draft article?
 * I would like to ask about a short article on Wikipedia (French) and same but in Norwegian which has an incorrect date of Colin Wyatt's death.
 * I would like to know how Wikipedia encyclopedia-style entries ensure dates (and other details, such as names of family, for example) are verified as correct without footnotes and sources for everything.
 * For this man, I hold a lot of resources (copies of his articles, copies of his academic lepidoptery articles, news cuttings, photographs).
 * Where is it best to put such questions? IonaFyne (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

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-- 10:30, Tuesday, October 24, 2023 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Colin Wyatt 1936 Tossa de Mar, Catalonia (exhibited at the Palser Gallery, London, 1938).jpeg
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 * Cc-by-sa-4.0-heirs
 * How do I add this to the image's description?
 * I did try earlier but kept getting the previous version of the picture under its previous description (looking down into a bay).
 * I clicked 'list' and got the 4.0 tag (without addition of heirs), clicked on that link, but then I did not get 'edit this page' and did not get the image . I don't know where to go? IonaFyne (talk) 16:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * that license only exists on commons, you should upload the file there instead. Frietjes (talk) 17:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:AIF embarking New Guinea by Colin Wyatt 1944.jpg
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 * The article is still in draft and will be re-submitted soon. That is why it appears "orphaned". So delete. I am learning how to include photos for which I hold copyright. A previous question and reply assures me that it is fine to resubmit without pix and add pix at a later date. Learning how to tag illustrations properly is taking me a lot of time. IonaFyne (talk) 14:56, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Colin William fforde Wyatt has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Colin William fforde Wyatt. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 15:02, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Colin William fforde Wyatt has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Colin William fforde Wyatt. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 17:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

February 2024
Hello, I'm Theroadislong. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Grosvenor School of Modern Art, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 15:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I have looked up referencing again. I have re-added the alumnus with a reference to a published journal. Please let me know if this is now correctly done. IonaFyne (talk) 15:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Colin William fforde Wyatt has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Colin William fforde Wyatt. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 15:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Ah. Does this mean I should remove references to what CW says in his published books? Such as references numbers (at present) 11, 21, 28 and 33? But these are evidence of, for example, his ski mountaineering achievements?
 * What about references to CW's published articles, because the references confirm such articles were published (where and when) and the content accepted by the various magazines, specialist journals, and so on? Such as (current numbering) 22, 26, 27, 29?
 * I am trying fully to understand. I'll look again at some other Wikipedia entries. IonaFyne (talk) 15:36, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Email
Hi IonaFyne. I received your email about the question you asked at the Teahouse and I replied to. Little in Wikipedia is ever totally lost but the Teahouse questions are archived after a few days. You will find your thread there now at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1213. In future, if you want to find an old thread you contributed to, just go to the Teahouse page and at the top there is a search box. If you look for your own username in that box, you'll easily find all the archived threads you contributed to. Post on my Talk Page if you have anything else I can help you with. Regards. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much. IonaFyne (talk) 10:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Clarification sought on references
On receiving the template message below, I cited sources of a few of CW's articles but think I have misunderstood what is required?

I looked at the entry for writer Robert Macfarlane and it does not cite sources/references. It does not have the template message.

He has also published many reportage and travel essays in magazines, especially Granta and Archipelago, as well as numerous introductory essays to reissues of lost and neglected classics of landscape and nature writing from the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, notably J. A. Baker (The Peregrine) and Nan Shepherd (The Living Mountain and In The Cairngorms).

So I am puzzled. Can I follow this style?

My original paragraph was similar but I received the template message, so started putting in references to specific articles.

Articles and photographs
He published a large number of articles, illustrated by his photographs, in English and in other languages, in magazines and journals in many countries. He also sold photographs to similar publications worldwide. For example, Country Life, Picture Post, Walkabout (Australia’s Geographic Magazine), Wild Birds magazine, Animal Pictorial, Countrygoer, Le Patriote Illustré, De Spiegel, Pottery Gazette, The Vauxhall Motorist, Overseas Dispatch, Pictorial Education, The Boys’ Magazine, Vogue, The Queen , Panorama, Riding, The Listener, The Sphere , Wool Knowledge, Pinguin, The Sphere, The Motor, Maclean’s Magazine , and Kosmos.

(I have read a lot of the guidance on references and did the quiz, but not yet tried the exercise on adding citations to articles needing them).

Thank you.

IonaFyne (talk) 16:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Colin William Wyatt (April 29)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by ToadetteEdit was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Colin William Wyatt and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Toadette Edit! 08:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your prompt response.
 * May I have further assistance? I will, of course, look again at referencing for beginners and citing sources but it would greatly assist me if you could clarify my two queries below.
 * I am puzzled about when it is permissible to refer to writings by the subject and when it is not permissible.
 * Query 1:
 * I removed references to articles by the subject in entomology journals and in alpine journals.
 * But, for example: Chris Bonington - Wikipedia has two such references,
 * Bonington, Chris (1988). "Menlungtse Attempt". American Alpine Journal. 30 (62). New York, NY USA: American Alpine Club: 275–278. ISBN 0-930410-33-5.
 * ^ Bonington, Chris (1989). "Menlungtse Western Summit". American Alpine Journal. 31 (63). New York, NY USA: American Alpine Club: 284–286. ISBN 0-930410-39-4.
 * Query 2:
 * I left in references to magazine articles by the subject because I had a message that sources had to be cited, even though, for example, Robert Macfarlane (writer) - Wikipedia has this general paragraph with no sources cited:
 * "He has also published many reportage and travel essays in magazines, especially Granta and Archipelago, as well as numerous introductory essays to reissues of lost and neglected classics of landscape and nature writing from the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, notably J. A. Baker (The Peregrine) and Nan Shepherd (The Living Mountain and In The Cairngorms)."
 * I did ask about this (11 Feb) but did not receive/find a reply. IonaFyne (talk) 10:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Please reply to these two queries?
 * Thank you. IonaFyne (talk) 19:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Colin William Wyatt has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Colin William Wyatt. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 20:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Paid editing
Hello IonaFyne. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:IonaFyne. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. You say that you represent a journalist writing for the estate of the subject. Theroadislong (talk) 20:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello Theroadislong,
 * I am declaring a conflict of interest and requesting kind consideration of the circumstances, and advice.
 * The draft article is about a family member.
 * At the outset of making a submission on Wikipedia, my objective was to create a submission (article) that was accurate and detailed and hope that I could do this using my skills as a qualified journalist (no longer doing paid work).
 * The reason I am drafting this article is NOT for payment, nor for family history, nor for any other such personal reason, BUT to ensure a factually correct article.
 * As a journalist, I felt and still feel that, as I learn more about how Wikipedia works, I can review my draft fully, and have editors review it, until it meets the required “neutral point of view” and “encyclopaedic manner”.
 * Other people are now researching and writing about Colin Wyatt. There is growing interest in this subject, and there are already short (with error) articles on Wikipedia French and Norwegian. My original submission, that is now available on Wikitia, has already been scraped.
 * Contact has been made with me, through my username, sandbox, and draft article. This is why I changed my user information. An email address was provided relating to the estate of the subject, and a statement made to ensure that those interested in writing about the subject in any way understand there remains copyright on his work, particularly his paintings and photographs. This, however, is not a key objective for the article.
 * Of the three methods of declaring COI, ought I use the third listed below?
 * place "connected contributor" at the top of the affected talk page
 * Or
 * make a statement in the edit summary of any COI contribution.
 * Or
 * note the COI on your user page, you can use the "UserboxCOI" template
 * I would appreciate your assistance in completing the COI.
 * Once this is correctly in place, may I continue to revise the draft article and submit?
 * Thank you. IonaFyne (talk) 11:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * On your User page will be fine. Theroadislong (talk) 11:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I’d very much appreciate some guidance about notability, and consistency with Wikipedia UK entries.
 * I have read the Wikipedia guidance on notability.
 * In my reply (15 May, ref “Paid editing”), I described the growing interest in the subject.
 * There is a Wikipedia entry on skier, mountaineer and writer Arnold Lunn.
 * This is someone I have quoted for his praise of Colin Wyatt’s ski-ing success in the late 1920s and early 1930s.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Lunn
 * This entry features a lot of detail about Lunn’s two marriages and about his wives, with quotations from the subject on his first wife and a quotation from her about their daughter, and then a long paragraph similarly detailed about his second wife. These are referenced with seven references (15-21) to the same book written by the subject.
 * There also is a vast (64) list of Lunn’s publications, many of which give no details of publisher or source, and leave the reader unclear as to whether these are books or articles in journals.
 * I understood that one is required NOT to use references from a subject’s published books or articles, NOR to provide long lists of publications.
 * This Lunn entry could be described as “reads like a family history project” (your 29 April comment on my second draft) or “reads more like an essay than than an encyclopedic entry (Utopes’ 11 September 2023 comment on my first draft).
 * Please would you explain to me why this kind of detail has been found acceptable for this Lunn approved submission, but not for skier, mountaineer, artist, lepidopterist and writer Colin Wyatt?
 * I need to understand this fully before revising the draft article.
 * Thank you so much for your continued interest and help. IonaFyne (talk) 13:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * See other poor quality articles exist for an explanation. Theroadislong (talk) 19:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This entry features a lot of detail about Lunn’s two marriages and about his wives, with quotations from the subject on his first wife and a quotation from her about their daughter, and then a long paragraph similarly detailed about his second wife. These are referenced with seven references (15-21) to the same book written by the subject.
 * There also is a vast (64) list of Lunn’s publications, many of which give no details of publisher or source, and leave the reader unclear as to whether these are books or articles in journals.
 * I understood that one is required NOT to use references from a subject’s published books or articles, NOR to provide long lists of publications.
 * This Lunn entry could be described as “reads like a family history project” (your 29 April comment on my second draft) or “reads more like an essay than than an encyclopedic entry (Utopes’ 11 September 2023 comment on my first draft).
 * Please would you explain to me why this kind of detail has been found acceptable for this Lunn approved submission, but not for skier, mountaineer, artist, lepidopterist and writer Colin Wyatt?
 * I need to understand this fully before revising the draft article.
 * Thank you so much for your continued interest and help. IonaFyne (talk) 13:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * See other poor quality articles exist for an explanation. Theroadislong (talk) 19:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please would you explain to me why this kind of detail has been found acceptable for this Lunn approved submission, but not for skier, mountaineer, artist, lepidopterist and writer Colin Wyatt?
 * I need to understand this fully before revising the draft article.
 * Thank you so much for your continued interest and help. IonaFyne (talk) 13:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * See other poor quality articles exist for an explanation. Theroadislong (talk) 19:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your continued interest and help. IonaFyne (talk) 13:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * See other poor quality articles exist for an explanation. Theroadislong (talk) 19:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)