User talk:Ipankonin/Archive 3

Historical German Arms
Thanks for your thoughts about the article. I have to confess, it takes some time to finish the article. Next weekend I will spend some time to finish it. While I am working on the text, it is easier to have the text, because then it's easier to find the missing parts. I think that then, links would be better than repeating the text again, but I want to keep the pictures, because in some cases, they show the development and the different use of these coats, as for example the cross of the diocese of Treves. First I have to finish and to add references. There is another problem, I see. In German, we use words, which are kind of German to describe Coats of arms, but even in our own language, people have problems to understand correct heraldic descriptions. In English, many heraldic names are in French, as are the colors. As you can see, I am switching between a describing understandable language and and correct heraldic terms. Which should I use? Both or one of them (which?). There is only one thing clear. This switching is stupid. What do you think about it?

I like your page Armorial of the Holy Roman Empire. There is only one mistake. Instead of the coat of arms of the prince elector archbishop of Cologne, you use the coat of arms of the town. Since 1288 the bishops did not rule over Cologne any more, which later became a free Imperial town and a member of the Hanse. The coat of arms of the archbishop of Cologne is the same as the coat of arms of the archbishop of Treves. The only difference is the color of the cross. The cross of Cologne is not red, it's black.

You know, there is much work waiting for you. The Holy Roman Empire had more than 300 independent territories.

I don't think, the pages should be merged, because Armorial of the Holy Roman Empire shows the historic situation, while Origin... wants to show the connection between modern coats of arms and historic coat of arms of the same regions. Happy editing!--Thw1309 00:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Your question
There is one publication, I use. It was created by Johannes Siebmacher, a printer from Nuremberg. Because there was no official source, he made a book with the coat of arms. For about 100 years this book was the main source to prove nobility (it simply took to long to ask in Vienna). The book is in German, but there is almost no text. There is only one problem. These are late coats of arms, which show all the families, the owner was related to. The pages are scanned in Wikimedia commons. Search for Siebmacher. The names, you can find here Then you can try to google the coats of arms.

There's one other proposal. You will face the same problem I had. The same coat of arms will appear in different circles, because some families owned territories in different circles. Perhaps you could use the old cast system of the empire. The members of the diet were united in casts (Reichsstände).There were the prince electors, the imperial princes (a German Prince is something else than an English prince. In England or France, it is the highest title of nobility, in the holy roman empire, it was a title, which could be given to dukes, landgraves, margraves, counts palatines, bishops and abbots), imperial prelates, imperial knights and imperial towns. In addition there were the imperial knights and imperial villages, which both were no imperial casts.--Thw1309 10:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Origin of the coats of arms of Germany and its federal states
I appreciate the coats of arms, you created, but there are two problems.
 * 1) The modern coats of arms of the states use a round shield (as can be seen in the laws, defining the coats of arms), not the French, pointed shields and although I personally like the light reflection, German heraldry does not allow any 3-dimensional elements on coats of arms. Therefore there are absolutely no light effects on German coats of arms.
 * 2) Please upload your coats of arms on Wikipedia commons, because other projects should have the possibility to use them too.--Thw1309 20:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply (Talk:Coat of arms of Charles I of Spain)
Hi there. I gave you some links in Talk:Coat of arms of Charles I of Spain. Cheers! --Maurice27 (talk) 09:34, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Requesting Help
Hi, I saw how you are trying to help bring a balanced POV to wikipedia and I applaud you for that. Unfortunately, there is some administrator who is giving me unwarranted warnings and not explaining himself when I offer a counter-argument. I was wondering if you could give me advice on how to formally complain about this issue as you did against Norman Nescio (which I applaud you for too). This is a matter of fascism IMO because they won't address the points I give for including a certain description. I am all for discussion and if it isn't mentioned in the end that is fine, but I am tired of this guy constantly giving me formal warnings to me (see my user talk for info). What can I do? Thank you. Arnabdas (talk) 16:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Heraldist of the world, l'union fait la force!
Hello Ipan, I am happy to find you here and also at commons. I have lauched some months ago the blazon project at wiki in spanish on the basis of the excellent work achieved by our colleagues in the french wiki. However, we are still very few people able to work regularly and most of us, even if we are appasionated by this subjet, we are in fact not specialist. That's why I think it could be a good idea have you as our "embassator", some kind of wikipedist to contact to address drawings request or questions realted to heraldry. I don't know if this works already, anyway, it will be usefull try to develop this collaboration what do you think?, thank you for your kind reply, --SanchoPanzaXXI (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Tudor Rose
Good job creating the new Tudor Rose image, I tried to do the same myself but it never quite worked out. Far better than the old one. - Yorkshirian (talk) 12:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 00:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:UK Royal Standard
That's a vast improvement on the image however the lions could do with soem improvement (however that could probably wait for another day). Really Good Work! -- Dancingwombatsrule 17:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:Duke of Wellington Arms.svg
Is the UK shield supposed to look like that – as if St Patrick's saltire is on top? DBD 18:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't use that strong a term – you made one minor mistake in a vast deluge of excellent work. Only human. DBD 23:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Template Extant British Dukedoms
Yeah, it's right. But, why? What for? DBD 11:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC) And also, it's "Argyll & Argyll" for a reason – there are two extant dukedoms, belonging to the same family, called Argyll DBD 11:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, yeah, dukes get their precedence from their dukedoms DBD 10:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

User Category for Discussion
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Mayflower ancestors
Do you have a citation for that 1 in 7 figure? I don't have conflicting information (other than my gut), so I definitely accept that it's possible I'm wrong (also, keep in mind my distinction between being aware of a Mayflower ancestor and having a Mayflower ancestor). Part of my claim is based on (a) the fact that I have a Mayflower ancestor, and (b) calculations based off the nearly 380+ years that have ellapsed, and 219 (assuming a doubling of descendants approximately every 20 years, also based on my gut) being equal to … actually it's only equal to about half a million. OK, I can accept that 1 in 7 figure. In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if more people are "aware" of having a Mayflower ancestor than actually have one. (I.e., are victims of faulty genealogical research.)

That said, can you come up with a good reason for the user category? I'm an inclusionist, so it won't take much to convince me. Unless you want to practice on me first, feel free to post your reasoning straight to the UCFD. Feel free to look into reasons why ethnic categories (as opposed to simply a lineage category) might be considered useful. I think it's a reasonable analogy. Ben Hocking (talk 20:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

More British royal arms!
I've found Heraldica – British Royalty Cadency and have been adding its info to the BRoy pages. Just thought you'd be interested! DBD 02:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, my personal preference is for the blazon and the image in the arms section, so we have that connexion of, "oh, that's what that scary writing looks like". Sure, they can work in the House boxes, but they'll need to be individually captioned e.g. "The Black Prince's coat of arms" rather than "Armorial of Plantagenet" — for clarity. However, somewhere on my mental to-do list is addressing the house boxes — methinks we should discuss some way to make the a bit less intrusive... Keep up your splendid work! DBD 12:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Although I just remembered something – I noticed, and have noted, that some of the differencing labels are repeated between entirely distinct royals of different generations i.e. Princes Albert and Andrew, Dukes of York – presumably you won't want to create two the same! DBD 12:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just occurred to me — what if we put the coat in/near the Arms section, and a/their standard in the mini-styles box, leaving the House box with the monarch's shield (for now at least)? What think ye? DBD 13:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd be very supportive of and interested in the coronets attempt! And yes, it would make great sense to place coronets in the ministyle boxes DBD 23:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Very nice work, sir! I applaud and approve greatly! I am, however, one man — perhaps engage some of the other frequent WP:BRoy contributors? DBD 01:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The Wessex Children
Dear Sir, you are cordially invited to join a discussion on this matter at WikiProject British Royalty. Yours in anticipation, DBD 16:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy X-mas
My best wishes for you and people you love!--SanchoPanzaXXI (talk) 01:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Image:Berks arms.gif
Just letting you know I've added a comment about Image:Berks arms.gif on Copyright_problems/2007_December_27/Images. -kotra (talk) 02:23, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image:Berkshire WikiProject Logo edit2.svg
I noticed in WP:GL/IMPROVE that you mentioned that you wanted to use this image as a logo for a wikiproject. I would strongly discourage that. The usage of coats of arms is restricted in the UK. This is regardless of the copyright status of the image. We're free to display them anywhere as long as it's clear that they represent what they're supposed to represent, but using a registered coat of arms in a logo would be crossing the line. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 23:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The coat of arms in question is for the former Berkshire County Council, which was abolished in 1998, thus rendering its usage justifiable. See also the Greater Manchester WikiProject for an example of similar usage. Many thanks, Sea serpent 85 02:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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Arms
Hey Ipankonin, we've chatted before and you introduced me to Inkscape, and I'm happy to say I've been designing a few (fantasy mainly) Coats of Arms. Thanks again. Recently I've been adding crowns, using mainly those found on Wikipedia Commons.

However, I also stumbled across this site and thought I would share: http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org/Regions/Allemagne/Couronnes.htm

Perhaps it is of use to you, or the heradly project. The only problem is that the crowns are currently quite small, and in .GIF format, and I was wondering if you knew anybody who could transform them into .svg. Please do let me know 23:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)deguerra

take requests?
Would you consider doing cleanup images on a few family blazons from disambig pages? Chris (クリス) (talk) 09:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For instance Fitch (surname) and Thompson. Chris (クリス) (talk) 10:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Your Opinion
Hi, would love your thoughts on including John Edwards' stance on partial birth abortion on his "political positions of " page. Thanks. Arnabdas (talk) 18:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

4 star picture on Army General
Sorry, but I can't tell the difference between and  Please could you put me out of my misery and tell me the difference? Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah ha! So the difference is the name of the file, not the contents. OK! Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 00:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)