User talk:Ipigott/Archive 6

Archibald Dawson
Hi, how nice that you edited this article! I wrote two other articles recently that I didn't ce after a day or so had passed so I'll go take a look at those for other glaringly obvious edits. Good to see you around!--CaroleHenson (talk) 15:38, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Glad to see you are actively contributing once again. I actually picked the article up after looking for new articles related to architecture. Don't worry, even the most experienced editors make a few "obvious" errors from time to time. Keep up the good work. --Ipigott (talk) 15:44, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, good to be around!--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:22, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

About Neoclassical architecture in Milan again
A special thanks from the author of the page and from the italian Progetto Milano, for translating and developing this great work on our city on english wikipedia. Greetings Melancholia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.50.155.158 (talk) 11:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Please return my thanks to the author who obviously spent a great deal of time and trouble on the article. I was happy to provide a translation of his excellent work and am now in the process of trying to cover some of the red links in the English version. In my opinion, Milan - which I know quite well from numerous business trips - is greatly underestimated by English speakers who usually just pass through it on their way to Florence, the Italian lakes or Venice. Let's hope we can persuade some of them to explore its assets a little more carefully. --Ipigott (talk) 15:14, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * As for its art and culture, Milan is an understimated city indeed! The main problem is that it has to stand up to cities like Venice, Rome or Florence, which is not an easy task! Moreover the city council seems to be more concerned on fashion and finance: we try then to do our part. I hope someday to see other works on Milan on english Wiki :). Greetings--93.50.155.158 (talk) 19:11, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * In the near future, I hope to start short articles on Palazzo Brentani, Eugenio Beauharnais, Leopoldo Pollack, Rodolfo Vantini, Giuseppe Zanoia, Porta Garibaldi (Milan city gate), Ferdinando Albertolli, Palazzo Belgioioso, Martin Knoller, Palazzo Anguissola, Palazzo Brentani and Palazzo Tarsis, all of which are covered in the Italian wiki. Ideally, there should also be articles on Giacomo Moraglia, Giuliano Trabellesi, Palazzo Saporiti, Grazioso Rusca, Giovanni Bareggi, Palazzo Taverna, Palazzo Gavazzi, Luigi Clerichetti, Giuseppe Franchi and Luigi Clerichetti but these are not yet covered even in Italian. --Ipigott (talk) 09:11, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you in advance for your work then! Anyway, I would like to bring to your attention the brand new page it:Barocco a Milano, enjoy it ;) (just to be clear, I'm NOT requesting any translation or similar)! Greetings --93.50.155.158 (talk) 12:44, 13 September 2012 (UTC) P.S. I guess it:Palazzo Saporiti has already been covered in it.wiki


 * Congratulations on Barocco a Milano, another masterpiece. Unfortunately I don't think I can handle its translation into English for the time being as (a) it is extremely long and (b) I really have to get back to a number of Danish projects I have been working on. I'm glad to see we're slowly getting rid of a few of the red links. You'll see Palazzo Saporiti in now in the English wiki too. Keep up the good work! --Ipigott (talk) 14:30, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gibraltarpedia


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 * I do not agree that the project is not "notable". Please see my comments on the article's talk page. --Ipigott (talk) 07:05, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Always somebody eh? Can you proof Severus Gastorius from Swedish?♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:39, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Strange there's no article in the German wiki. Perhaps Gerda can help as there is also a close relationship with the Bach cantata? --Ipigott (talk) 09:50, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you do me a favour and look into this revert. He's removed a lot of sourced content and am not certain exactly why it "violates policy". I'll try to look more into it over the weekend.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:00, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've had a quick look and think he is complaining about original research. Some of the statements do indeed look as if they are personal opinions rather than assessments made by others. The examples given do however seem to merit inclusion. I don't want to get into an edit conflict on this so perhaps the best way to avoid further problems would be to include the examples with comments clearly based on the literature. I was generally very happy with the article though. --Ipigott (talk) 16:49, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. I've expanded the article today, I just have a distaste for editors who expect full FA articles on day one and rather than constructively work on them remove material and plaster tags over them. I'm sure you agree, even if you might not admit it here.♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * It's such a great work that I was considering translating it for the Italian WP - Maybe as soon as I finish translating Korean cuisine ! -- Itemirus (talk)  21:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

It was actually a request from myself to translate, and a mighty fine result...♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:45, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Any comments to say on my talk page about User talk:Dr. Blofeld?♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on this. Ah of course the titles don't just have to include architecture, it could be Encyclopedia of theatre design or something or Dictionary of Danish churches!♦  Dr. Blofeld  14:18, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The Danish Churches are already there! I've grouped the 57 volumes accessible through the same database under "National Museum of Denmark" but in so doing I was not able to give authors. Only the later volumes have ISBNs, so I've left these out too. Hope it's OK. Those interested in details can use the links. --Ipigott (talk) 14:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I greatly appreciate your assistance on this. Thankyou! I do though have some tools which I think would enable you to blast through any subject. If you want them let me know. BTW coordinates for Ro Church in the list of churches on Bornholm is wrong.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:16, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Before we get to the "blasting through" stage, I have literally dozens of entries I need to check out and expand. I think the best way forward is just to deal with two or three each day. Otherwise I may as well find a job with OCLC! PS I'll look at Bornholm. --Ipigott (talk) 11:25, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, google book search say Encyclopedia of Music. Paste in the url of a book into here click load. Click on names to reverse authors, remove ref tags and date or whatever, however you wish, it should be invaluable for your general editing too. You tell me if you want quick access to this and drawing up sources in your itinery.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:32, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tool. I've already tried it (see under Music (Dance) on Bibliography page). But two problems for me here: the tool uses the citation template (I've never been too keen on using these) and produces a rather strange sequencing which will require subsequent editing. I agree it's a good quick way to expand a bibliography but for the time being I would rather handle entries "manually". Rø Church now fixed. --Ipigott (talk) 11:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah you saying my entries I've just added for music look strange LOL?Funnily Charles Matthews said the same thing. For me the slight editing needed of a ready made template instead of drawing up the entire darn thing is the lesser of two evils, but each unto his own I guess! ♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:56, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * You may well be right. Practice makes perfect I suppose. I would never dare to comment on you highly competent editing but I do think that at this stage at least it might be worthwhile to look at the individual entries one by one before including them in the bibiography. The same kind of results you get from Google Books can be found from national library catalogues and the like but I am not sure whether that is the object of the exercise. As I think I commented a few days ago, my interest in the index is producing details of works (and if possible access to them) as an aid to those undertaking research, including Wikipedia editors of course. Perhaps the example I chose was also unfortunate but it just happened to be the first one that came up when searching for encyclopedias on dance. Let's just see how things evolve. And I'll certainly keep the tool for future use. --Ipigott (talk) 12:11, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes that's a good idea, the more notable sources can have details provided especially if public domain. But that'll take time and there's a lot missing! So its blast mode for me to start with. But let's carry on as we have been doing whatever we have a spare moment and in a few months it should be looking a good start! ♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:36, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Doubt I'd find enough for a whole book on it but its possible. Would need a lot of research though.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:34, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Can you proof Aarhus Godsbanegård?♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:28, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Good one, thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:36, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Can you check Retskrivningsordbogen?♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:36, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks very much. Glad to be of help. It is indeed usually more a matter of translating than copyediting. I'm now thinking of embarking slowly on Barocco a Milano. Another elephant task! --Ipigott (talk) 16:43, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Yikes! Well I was planning on an elephant task of my own, quite different though in nature! ♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:05, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

If you can find a source or two probably in Danish for the commas of Retskrivningsordbogen I'll DYK nom.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. --Ipigott (talk) 11:09, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Can you check the translation of Schloßborn, I've hidden the text behind the article. Hoping to work more on the bibliographies today and venture beyond snooker!..♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it be Schlossborn in the English WP? Even in Germany, the eszett is falling out of favour. I've done a redirect for the time-being. Seems quite a long article but I'll see what I can do. Good to see your picture on the main page today! --Ipigott (talk) 09:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Favour or not: if an official name has ß it should be kept. The ß is kept after long vowels. Some towns changed their spelling according to that, others didn't ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I just noticed! He's never called Dr. Blofeld though in Bond, that was my merger of Blofeld and Dr. Evil. Schloss is shorter than Retskrivningsordbogen I think.♦  Dr. Blofeld  09:18, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Can you add details book and online for these in the general reference and also add them to the countries section for Sweden and Denmark?
 * Nationalencyklopedin
 * Den Store Danske Encyklopædi
 * OK, in due course. I intended to add these and several others. --Ipigott (talk) 13:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, could you make a plot for the film from here?.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do. Probably tomorrow. Have also written a short article on Weilbachs Kunstnerleksikon (which will no longer be red-linked). See also my comments chez Sionk on red links. --Ipigott (talk) 10:39, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

List of Danish architects
(continued from above)

Just saw it. Vilhelm Ahlmann seems to be pretty notable, you might wish to expand. I'm going to resume with the stubs on these unless you specifically object. Of course we could make it a long term project and conceal the red links and work through them gradually.. The problem with Danish articles is that if you start them they're not usually expanded so it is really up to people like us to ensure they're decent.. I'll lay off for now anyway. The best thing would be to browse and select the more notable ones for translating and get them up to start status I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:04, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I think hiding them would be a good interim solution. But how about waiting for a couple of weeks as I have suggested on the list's talk page and see first how many can be dealt with in new articles and perhaps also which are the ones which really warrant articles in English. I also have the impression that people are usually keener to create a good new article from scratch than add to a poor stub or bad Google translation. (So if you want to work on them yourself, I would suggest you try to take them a bit further than most of the stubs you have been generating over the past few days.) I was thinking, for instance, of seeing how many links, references, images, etc., they each have in the Danish wiki and going on from there: rather like the French painters, if you remember. I could then put together a priority list in my user space. I could also notify other Danophiles and try to get them to participate. If this works, we could then do the same with the Norwegians, Spaniards, etc. --Ipigott (talk) 14:50, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah but its the quantity vs quality thing, I'll lose interest after just a handful of articles... Still, if you can compile a list of 50 or so top notability ones then I'd probably help.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:12, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well I certainly don't want you to lose interest. It's not every day I find anyone interested in developing articles not just on architects but on Danish architects. If you really think all the 650 or so architects in the Danish wiki should also at least have stubs in English, then I think you should go ahead. In my own experience, though, there are indeed quite a number of really prominent Danish architects who should be fully covered in the English wiki too. I think we should at least attempt to give them priority. Perhaps we should see how others react over the next day or two? --Ipigott (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, the old Blofeld would have just sub stubbed the lot and not thought anything of it, but whenever I start a stubbing session now I feel guilty if they're not anything above meaty well sourced stubs, but somebody has to do the grunt work. if there's a lot missing I get less wikistressed if I stub them all. But I suppose really I'd prefer to get things like Aarhus Cathedral and such up to GA status, much better to produce quality of course. Or some of those Bornholm articles up to GA. Yes, if you want to route out the most notable ones by all means, but I'll need your translation assistance naturally. P.S. I started Streets in Gibraltar..♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:15, 7 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree and would like to encourage the approach prioritising notability. The range of interest is 8K views/month for Utzon to something like 100 views for architects of local significance. When working on NPs of Indonesia I found a table like this quite useful in establishing priorities for improvement. Overall Danish architecture is quite lucky to have at least three very experienced and committed contributors, something very few other cultural regions have. That probably explains also why Denmark has the 5th largest nr. of articles about architects on Wikipedia. On the other hand there are no GAs and articles like Bjarke Ingels with 6K views are in sorry state. -- ELEKHHT 23:30, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. The problem with the GA process is the amount of time and effort you have to put into minor details such as going through dozens of refs to see if the urls are still active or adding (or substracting) items which the reviewer (depending on who he is) thinks are (or are not) important. In my opinion, several of the architect biographies are already up to the GA standard. If you think it's important to have a few GAs, maybe you could first look at Jørn Utzon and Arne Jacobsen, which in my opinion should already be at least B class (but as much of the work is my own, I don't feel I should upgrade them myself). Other articles needing attention are Thorvald Bindesbøll and Vilhelm Dahlerup. The trouble with Bjarke Ingels is that there is not much detailed source material (Weilbach and similar sources only deal with the dead!) but interesting articles such as this and are beginning to appear and I suppose there could be a much more detailed account of his works (perhaps with separate articles on some of them). I'll see what I can do -- although I seem to be getting more and more architecture on my plate at the moment! --Ipigott (talk) 07:13, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Apart from those already mentioned, another obvious choise for expansion to better if not good standard would be Jan Gehl. Henning Larsen, who just received this year's Praemium Imperiale for Architecture, is also in bad need of attention. I also think that the Bedre Byggeskik movement (the Danish incarnation of the Arts & Crafts movement) warrants an article and to be mentioned in the Architecture of Denmark article. Not that it is particularly notable from an international perspective but it is of local significance which I reckon should also be a criteria, especially for the Architecture of Denmark article, and it has recently attracted some renewed interest in Denmark. Peder Vilhelm Jensen-Klint and Kay Fisker also deserves better article (at least he has attracted some interest in Germany and his Grundtvig's Church would imo be a good choise for taking an article up to GA standard). Apart from that, I guess picking 1 or two architects from each period in the Architecture of Denmark article and make fairly decent articles out of them, would be a good approach. But if it doesn't have to be biographies, I really think that some of the major architectural firms are of more relevance to an international readers. But as Ipigott has already pointed out, finding good sources for contemporary figures and firms can be a problem since a lot of info can be tracked back to themselves and is mostly of promotional character. As Elekhh has pointed out, there are already quite a lot of articles about Danish architects and most of those who are not covered by now are really of very, very little interest to non-Danes and should imo only be covered to the extent that a reasonable amount of their works have their own article (hence my opposition to the stubs).Ramblersen (talk) 09:25, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

See List of Danish architects evolving now? This is the best way to deal with it, sure it'll take time, but interest regardless, English wikipedia should have has comprehensive and encyclopedic a list as possible as sourced tabled lists are the way to go. Most of the encyclopedia articles we have generate little interest, that's not an excuse to ignore the vast majority which are covered in reliable sources. The inter Danish links are given for the missing articles and can still have a sourced summary without having a full article. When somebody wishes to start a full article they can do so. Some feedback please, but please allow time and assume good faith.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:34, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well that is indeed a huge improvement and responds, I think, to everyone's wishes. The summary information you include with each name is probably sufficient for the not-so-notables. The other can be expanded into real articles. --Ipigott (talk) 10:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll need help with the summaries over time of course but I think this is the most productive given that we all agree that the stub articles are of minimal use due to lack of interest but some of us agree that an encyclopedia like wikipedia should have coverage of them. So this way and then branch out into fuller articles when we can would be the way to do it. I'll convert to da: interlinks and convert to tables for now. Probably once done split like A-D E-I etc would be better but we'll see how it goes. We might even get it to featured status eventually, but hopefully this will be an ongoing project like the bibliography thing is. Sorry if this daunts you but that's what building an encyclopedia of this scale entails of course, its a mammoth project, but if stubbing isn't productive, neither is ignoring information entirely.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:45, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

You might add more to Philip Weilbach, perhaps a double DYK.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:01, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm planning on getting Marrakech up to GA. If you are interested in helping translate the history from French wikipedia to build upon and join in the collaboration let me know. More on the list later today.♦ Dr. Blofeld  07:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

We seem to have a communication breakdown. Where is your proof that there are non notable names in the Danish list? I'm curious, because I've seen you say about the non notable architects a lot but almost every article I've looked at to date seems to easily meet requirements. No, they haven't all designed Sydney Opera Houses but the majority seme to have designed notable public buildings in cities and towns across Denmark, which, in my opinion, clearly meets requirements. Perhaps you could find the really non notable ones in the list you are talking of and we could then consider excluding them.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * There well be a misunderstanding in mixing everyday language with the precise meaning of "notable" in the Wikipedia context. I specially referred to "not-so-notable" architects to try to establish a basis for choosing between the architects who may really be of relatively wide interest in view of the important works they designed and, for example, those who though included in the architect category in the Danish Wikipedia were primarily involved in other disciplines such as teaching or administration and therefore may not be all that important from a global point of view. I'll try to illustrate this with a few names when I have time. I was however hoping to do a bit more on Marrakech first. --Ipigott (talk) 14:24, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I've just had a quick look at some of the Ps. It seems to me that Jørgen Pers, Carl Petersen and Gunnar Biilmann Petersen are probably of much less interest to non-Danes than many of the others. Unless they come up in some other context, I would not write articles about them myself. --Ipigott (talk) 15:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, remove the ones you think are non notable. Not interesting isn't really a criteria, that's opinion! I find trains mind numbingly boring, no doubt some people beg to differ! Entries which have dubious number of sources available probably are good candidates for removal. Notable on wikipedia means coverage in reliable sources whether the subject is of interest to one person in the world only or not! Thanks for copyediting Marrakech BTW.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review of AfD that you participated in
As you participated a few days ago in Articles for deletion/Flat Bastion Road, I thought you might wish to know that the result of that discussion (to keep the article) is being challenged in a deletion review. If you have any views on this (i.e. whether to endorse the result, overturn it or something else) then please feel free to comment at Deletion review/Log/2012 October 2. Prioryman (talk) 22:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Retskrivningsordbogen
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Some names
I have probably forgotten a bunch of more relevant candidates while others should probably not be there, but to follow up on your question on my talk page the other day, I have made a list of some architects who could be relevant candidates for a biography. You can find it here. Most of them aren't really very relevant to international readers, though, so generally I think it would be a much better priority to improve articles about more important names.Ramblersen (talk) 07:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. I'll see what I can do with the most important ones. --Ipigott (talk) 07:59, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Biographies need to only be of interest to national readers who are interested in architecture. Let's be honest, the average American is not interested in Estonian biologists, Afghan priests, Macedonian chefs, Zimbabwean doctors, Latvian lawyers.. Based on "not very relevant to international readers" we'd delete 3/4 of the encyclopedia including the US sports cruft which is of interest to nobody else.. The whole point of wikipedia from my perspective is to try to cover the world without preudice or bias and in a detailed way as if we are standing at any point in the world with as even coverage as possible. Goldsland would be of little interest to even people in my county let alone in Australia or Bolivia of Egypt. But I think having coverage of it improves wikipedia as a resource. I'm not quite the extreme inclusionist, but I do think we should cover mosts things which are documented in multiple reliable sources, which most of these Danish architects are. I think it makes us much more powerful as a resource not to ignore anything. I agree though that priority should be to improve the most internationally famous ones first though..♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:42, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

You might find more on Rønne Theater, working on list now.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:08, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Rønne Teater is indeed well worth while developing. It has quite a history. I'll get back to it tomorrow. --Ipigott (talk) 21:28, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Nice one, will nom.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:56, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Schloßborn
The DYK project (nominate) 08:01, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

An AFD you participated in has been relisted
After a deletion review, a recently closed AFD has been relisted. I am contacting everyone who participated the first time who hasn't found their way there already. Articles for deletion/Flat Bastion Road (2nd nomination)  D r e a m Focus  08:14, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Bjarke Ingels
I can see that you are editing the article right now so for fear of causing edit conflicts I won't add it but The Huffington Post listed 8 House among the 10 Best Architecture Monuments of its decade - Source, might be worth including.

By the way, after their time in Rotterdam BI and JDS did not go to Copenhagen to set up PLOT but actually to make a Jack Nicolson movie (!!!) - source - but probably too silly trivia to mention.Ramblersen (talk) 18:13, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Couple of minor things. Can you format the old dates in the 12 October 2012 way and check the old sources check out. Often dead urls and things appear. Then I think its a good idea to cover as many buildings as possible in chrono order in his biography.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:55, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Different, which you probably figured!♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * But only sightly so. I still think it would have been better to combine the articles. I was intending to do a redirect to Waldsassen Basilica and came across Waldsassen Abbey. I think most English speakers would identify the abbey with the church. But at this stage it would be too messy to bring things together. --Ipigott (talk) 10:29, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

A merge and +++ to GA status would always be the best solution of course.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Or if there is really an interest in writing articles about abbey churches rather than abbeys, then I would recommend the church at Fürstenfeld Abbey. It is arguably the finest Baroque church in Bavaria, even more impressive than Waldsassen (whatever the views of the Vatican). There is a German article at Ehemalige Zisterzienser-Klosterkirche St. Mariä Himmelfahrt (Fürstenfeldbruck). A fine organ there too. But quite a challenge to assign an English title: maybe Former Cistercian Abbey Church of the Assumption of the Virgin Mary, Fürstenfeldbruck (or perhaps just Fürstenfeld Abbey Church)?. --Ipigott (talk) 13:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Looks interesting why not. I'll add more on recent projects later and then with a bit of a polish Ingels should be ready for GA. it could even be nommed now its pretty close to being ready. One problem which I fear may crop up is that you dislike using cite web and I'm the opposite and view anything which doesn't as scruffy. Visually it doesn't look a problem when you look at the article but when editing you spot it. Of course if you tap in language= in the cite web template it will show in Danish automatically. I was like you, I didn't like to use them either at one time but with google books it seemed to become tidier for me to structure them in cite templates. Have a look how many hits here. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well that's exactly one of the main reasons I don't like going for GAs. The reason I don't much care for the cite templates is that I like to be able to see the text as it is to be presented (with the right sequence). But I admit I have started to use the Google books tool in connection with the bibliographies. I also find them difficult to edit when they become dead links. But rather than reformat all those citations, I would rather create two or three new articles. On the more positive side, Ramblersen and I are both writing articles on Ingels' projects. One of the problems for me is that although Ingels has planned a host of new projects around the globe, there is not much evidence of progress on many of them. However, I'm going to put something together on W57 which will no doubt please the New Yorkers. (Looked at your press articles but unfortunately not many were recent. Will go into it in more detail later.) --Ipigott (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Give it time, but I'm pretty sure you'll be more enthusiastic towards GAs in a few weeks. Its good to have a bank of quality articles you've edited on your user page as a seal of quality sort of thing. I used to think the same thing, but if GA requires some edits, FA will irritate the hell out of you. I think GAs are worth the effort, but I'll admit that some reviewers go over board, depends on the reviewer.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:12, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks a million for all the work you've been doing on the Ingels article. But be careful about taking old accounts of Ingels' plans literally. If you compare his announcements with completed projects, there are often quite a few important differents. For example, he made at least four widely disseminated video presentations about Expo 2010, explaining how cheap it would be to take water from Copenhagen to Shanghai as ballast for empty ships returning empty to China. But in fact it never happened. I'll check the other details out in due course. --Ipigott (talk) 14:21, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, yes, checking the info and the sources to ensure everything checks out is a good idea. I think its ready for GA now. Still could do with a bit of a polish but that shouldn't take too long and can be done while it is waiting to be reviewed. GAs by no means of course have to be perfect or even comprehensive, just a generally sound outline.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:29, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I think there's still quite a bit to be tidied up. Some measurements are metric, others in feet, etc. Several important items (projects, awards) have no references. There is little or nothing on Ingels' latest projects (in LA, Florida and back in Denmark). The assessment section appears over positive. It would be good to include more critical comments too. There also seem to be a number of recent awards which should be included. Nothing has been written about KiBiSi and its products. There should probably also be an article about KiBiSi. And more articles (or at least summary descriptions) about Ingles' projects, even those that have not been completed. (I've just begun an article on West 57. There also seems to be quite a bit of repitition in the article. So I suggest we wait a day or two before submitting it to GA. --Ipigott (talk) 16:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I already nommed it and asked Pyrotec to review but I said if he could put the review off for a few days to allow for some of the polishing.Yeah you could probably add more on his more recent projects like the leaning tower and that too, but its pretty close for GA.♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:10, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

You might find more for All Saints Church, Lydd.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:50, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * As far as I can see, Rosiestep has done an excellent job on this. The only serious errors were those in the box which I have now fixed (coords, location). Thanks for inviting Pyrotec to review Ingels. He seems to be a professional and very constructive review. I'll see if I can fill in some of the gaps today. --Ipigott (talk) 10:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Gamleborg?♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I know it well. I have been thinking of including it myself for some time. I'll look at it later. --Ipigott (talk) 10:36, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What GA reviewer? Marrakech hasn't been nominated yet. Needs considerable work still. Improving yes, so long as we keep track of the quality of writing.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:11, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression we were working towards GA rather than just DYK on this. That's actually why I was trying to contribute. I'm not too familiar with the nomination process but as you were so quick to nominate Bjarke Ingels for GA (I am still trying to improve it although unfortunately I work much more slowly than you do), I thought you had probably moved forward on this one too. On the Marrakech article, I'm a bit worried it is turning more and more into a tourist guide rather than a description of the more general attributes of the city. For example, there is not much on its ethnic makeup, its social infrastructure, politics, etc. I also think it would be useful to break down the history into different periods. There is a section on popular culture but nothing on culture in Marrakech itself. What about the Théatre Royal de Marrakech, the Ecole de musique, dance festivals, etc.? Nothing on transport or communications either. Maybe some of the longer descriptions of the sights could be upgraded to articles in their own right with two or three line simmaries in the Marrakech article. We could then work on other sections in order to provide a more balaced overview. Hope this doesn't sound too critical -- it's intended to be constructive. --Ipigott (talk) 15:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

We are developing it to GA level, but as there is no GA reviewer currently looking at it then your comment seems inappropriate, as it doesn't matter if the article changes as there is no reviewer overlooking it yet. Not overly critical no, but I'll admit that it does concern me that you think I would be blind to what is currently missing, or somehow think that I'm not working towards what you've mentioned. And I've come to expect criticism from you of late, its a constructive thing, of course, but there's a fine line between criticism and putting somebody off entirely... ♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:12, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * My sincere apologies if I upset you. It was certainly not my intention. I can see I'll have to be more careful about how I express myself. Like you and the other editors who have been contributing to improvements, I was really just trying to contribute to further progress. Perhaps we can work together on it, although as far as I am concerned, it might take some time. I am involved with so many non-Wikipedian assignments at the moment that I cannot always find the time I need for contributing. But let me take this opportunity to say how much I appreciate your interest in extending coverage of Bornholm. Somehow you manage to move quickly forward in areas where the rest of us need to establish priorities. It's always a privilege to work with you and I always appreciate your useful tips and suggestions. So let's just try to contribute together without any feelings of animosity. --Ipigott (talk) 16:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Not at all, likewise. But I think we might think more similarly in regards to content than might always be apparent. Virtually everything I've seen you say to date in regards to content was exactly what I was thinking. But I tend to clam up if I view a task as too big or pointless. I like to set my sights high and am ambitious but only if achievable in a relatively short space of time. I actually prefer a relaxed approach to quality content building, maybe I rushed the Bjarke nom, but I am also keen to promote content, and tend to work in bursts.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Just letting you know that there is a GA reviewer looking at the article now, and I added a brief comment as well. Nice work! Readership went up to 7.5K and the DYK for 8 House is already in the queue with image. -- ELEKHHT 00:23, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

La figlia del diavolo
I saw this in the next prep set and checked it out preparatory to moving the set to the queue and ... I'm afraid it has major problems. I was unable to discover why the revolutionaries' meeting place is called the devil's castle, and probing further led me to see that the plot summary is actually way too close to a translation of the Italian (except for one inaccuracy, which I have fixed). However, more importantly: The mention of Rise Stephens added by LauraHale refers to an opera by Virgilio Mortari of the same name; see it:Risë Stevens. (The Time link is broken but the text comes up on a Google search and clearly refers to an opera.) The film does not take place at La Scala (although it may be based on the opera's plot - I didn't look.) The supposed remake that is the hook fact, added by Dr. Blofeld, has a completely different plot - see the cited Italian source. It involves a woman bearing the Devil's daughter. I'm going to have to be cruel and pull the hook and reopen the nomination. Ideally someone has access to a physical book or two and can find material to put in instead - I am not questioning the notability of the film, but it's not a unique title, especially when translated. (Have a look at what-all comes up on IMDb search). Yngvadottir (talk) 19:11, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your useful observations. We obviously need to look into it all more carefully. I see Dr. Blofeld has already replied along similar lines on his own page. --Ipigott (talk) 08:04, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Rønne Theater
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Moorish Gibraltar
Thanks for the improvements you've been making to Moorish Gibraltar. It needs a DYK review at Template:Did you know nominations/Moorish Gibraltar; would you be interested in helping with that? Prioryman (talk) 23:30, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your inviting me to do the review but as I am already associated with Gibraltarpedia, I think it would be better just to let it take its course. I thought the topic had been covered very well but noticed the article relied essentially on one source. If you want to improve it further, it might be useful to look at some of the sources behind Spanish articles such as Conquista musulmana de la península ibérica and Al-Ándalus. I was, btw, intrigued by the date of 27 April 711 you give for Tariq ibn-Ziyad's arrival. Other sources put it as 29 or 30 April. This first "visit" seems to have been supported by just a few ships and some 400 men but several accounts refer to a much larger invasion later. But these are minor details and imo the article certainly qualifies for DYK. Thanks for all the excellent work you have been doing on Gibraltar. --Ipigott (talk) 07:52, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for 8 House
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Paradisbakkerne
Hi Ipigott. Paradisbakkerne may interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:01, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Good to hear from you, Rosiestep. I was in fact thinking of starting the article myself, like Almindingen (which covers the whole area), but Dr. Blofeld and you youself are always so fast. I'll look at it soon. I was also thinking of starting articles on Dueodde, Hammern, Rytterknægten, etc., but I do not work very fast and I am still rather tied up with Bjarke Ingels (which you might like to look at for suggestions on further improvement), and with Marrakech, which seems to be an on-going saga! Thanks, by the way, for all the work you did on Gamleborg. Somewhere I have some photos which really show the ruins (rather than the surroundings) but they are on an old machine which has a power supply problem. And while I'm here, you might like to have a look at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. I've just contributed a few suggestions. --Ipigott (talk) 16:21, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Was going to do Lilleborg next... Marrakech is getting close to GA quality now but doubt I'll nom for at least another three days as still some research and polish needed.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:32, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ipigott - It's nice to work with you! Thank you for your suggestions... I've started Almindingen, Dueodde, and Rytterknægten; please jump in if you wish; also Hammeren (rather than Hammern). I will start Jons Kapel. Can you think of others? --Rosiestep (talk) 18:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Forgive my typo. Yes, I know of several other nature spots on Bornholm but I think we should first try to improve the others. There are a number of idyllic fishing communities on the west coast too which could be covered. If we continue like this, it won't be long before we have a Bornholmpedia! Strange that we still have nothing on Bornholm's major attraction park -- but that can come later too. And there are actually lots of windmills and lighthouses if you really want to take it to the limit. We could also do more with Bornholm's artists. --Ipigott (talk) 20:40, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on your first GA, Bjarke Ingels has now passed soon after I addressed the other points. No doubts you'll still want to work at it until it is a feature...♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's actually my third. The first two were Architecture of Denmark and Photography in Denmark. So at least we're still in the same country with Ingels. Maybe we should indeed try to bring it up to FA. That would really be a first for me. Thanks for all your help and encouragement, for filling out the details of several projects and for addressing the "other points" (which I must admit, I missed) -- and thanks to Elekhh too for bringing our attention to the need for improving the article. --Ipigott (talk) 20:40, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Eeks, Architecture article would require a lot of research. Added this source to article but can't understand it!♦  Dr. Blofeld  21:57, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I wasn't suggesting Architecture of Denmark as a feature. I was actually wondering whether you were serious about working Bjarke Ingels up to FA? Another article I did a tremendous amount of research on was Carl Nielsen. How about trying to improve that one to at least GA standard? --Ipigott (talk) 06:26, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Keep it in mind, a peer review first will do a lot of good, I'd like to hear suggestions by the likes of Brian Boulton on it. We'll need to expand the analysis side of his work and design philosophy and try to find more solid sources perhaps and of course expand on some of his more recent work but its achievable. But I think we really need to get a number of GAs under our belt for Denmark first. Actually I was going to suggest Jørn Utzon next, but Carl Nielsen looks worthy too. Ref system needs an overhaul, the referencing at the bottom confuses me, I prefer sfn notes and web citations!♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Why did you remove the book sources for Paradisbakkerne?♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * They had resulted in serious confusion about the location. As I explained to Rosiestep, Paradisbakkerne are in the eastern part of the island. Similarly Gamleborg is more or less at the centre of Almindingen, quite a distance from the Paradisbakkerne. I think the confusion may be a result of signposted walks which include both Gamleborg and Paradisbakkerne. --Ipigott (talk) 10:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh that book wasn't intended to source location, I left it there as a source for you to read as Icouldn't understand it! I thought I left you a note on that last night.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:22, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll look at it all again but there was similar confusion about the location of Gamleborg. On Nielsen, I thought it might be a good idea to move away from architecture and into music, just for a change. The referencing may indeed appear rather strange. Much of it is based on a Danish national project which sets out to fully digitize all of Nielsen's music for the web. The project was in full swing when I wrote the article but may well have stabilized by now. I had to keep changing the references as the work continued. Is it indeed the case that I did not cover his later works sufficiently well? Any particular pieces you were thinking of? --Ipigott (talk) 10:27, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Not sure, but if you can overhaul the referencing system sometime I'll begin on it, it gives me a headache at the moment! Just been admiring your work on Luxembourg castles. I'd be interested in taking one of those to GA!♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:53, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Great map. Of primary importance is that articles provide accurate information. Too bad about the inaccuracies in Murray's 1871 book which I used for Gamleborg. Yes, I appreciate if you make the corrections. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Love detailed maps like that, opens new possibilities.. Can you give Nea Nikomedeia a read and copyedit?☠ Count de Blofeld  07:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting article. Copy edit is all I could really manage. My Greek isn't good enough to do much more. By coincidence, I've been to Veria several times (have friends there with common cultural interests). While I have visited tombs in the area (supposedly associated withe Alexander the Great), I was not aware of the Neolithic discoveries. Veroia is the literal transposition from the Greek but now it's almost always Veria in modern English. --Ipigott (talk) 08:38, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Have just reinserted the German-language Gyldendal reference on Paradisbakkerne. It actually contains a lot of useful information on the fauna and flora which could form the basis of a new section to the article. --Ipigott (talk) 09:04, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I know, that's why I thought it would be of use to you, it wasn't meant for location! Unfortunately google books won't translate. Nea Niko was linked in the phallic article for its phallic headed figurines! Can you check Rytterknægten, the height is wrong, that might be altitude but the height is 12.6 metres?☠ Count de Blofeld  11:14, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Think I've sorted out the various heights. Shouldn't it be "Count de Beauchamp" or even "Comte de Beauchamp"? --Ipigott (talk) 17:14, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Count de Beauchamp!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  18:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. No no; Varanasi plus Bornholm-related plus whatever else I want to work on. I don't limit myself to one article at a time. Let me know what you want to work on next. To my way of thinking these articles are "low-lying fruit" so let's jump on them. I'm not sure how much info is available in en lang or if some of these will just be stub class. Arnager and Olsker may interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:00, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Translation
Hallo! I have been redirected by Blofeld to ask assistance on your apparantly amazing translation skills - if you fancied you could have a go at translating this article from German for a free GA/FA! Danke. 77.96.193.125 (talk) 18:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

No, I didn't redirect you at all, I said that I wasn't responsible for the bulk of the translations and that Gerda and Ipigott were. None of us are likely to want to develop an article to FA!! And there is no such thing as a "free GA"!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  20:37, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks (JZCL, I believe) for getting in touch with me on this. Unfortunately the article does not really fall within my sphere of interest. Philosophy is an important area but I'm more involved in culture (art, architecture, music, photography, etc.). I see substantial progress has already been made on the French article. Hope you have similar success with the English version. --Ipigott (talk) 21:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Gamleborg
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for All Saints Church, Lydd
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Bornholm Industrial Belt
Great to see all the progress on the coverage of Bornholm from you and others! Back in 2007, Danish Heritage (or whatever Kulturstyrelsen call themselves in English these days) designated 25 chronologically numbered Industrial Heritage Sites ) link). One of them is the Bornholm Industrial Belt which I think might be a good name for an overview article for the various sites relating to the granite industry. Just a thought, I do realize that you have more than plenty of articles to work on from Bornholm and elsewhere. Once more of the sites have an article, an article/list and associated nav bar might be useful, although most of them are not exactly spectacilar (as goes for everything else in DK). There is also an Arne Jacobsen-designed Novozymes facility in case you should at some point feel like returning to your AJ campaign.Ramblersen (talk) 12:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, easy to get excited about local coverage, I'm the same when I look at OS maps of my areas, turns up settlements and rivers which don't appear on google maps!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  14:28, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not sure whether it deserves an article of its own but it may be a good idea to develop a section on Bornholm's economy in the main article on Bornholm (which would of course include its granite). I looked at the very short description on the website you provided but it was not very revealing. The granite industry has of course been very important with considerable quantities being shipped to the rest of Denmark. Maybe you would like to embark on an article yourself. We could then develop it together. The AJ Novozymes site looks interesting too. You will have seen that two of Bornholm's five lighthouses have been covered. The others should follow soon. --Ipigott (talk) 14:37, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You are probably right, I just remembered reading about the recent inauguration of the restored Hammerhavn some time ago and figured that there were probably also some other localities of some interest since it was included on the list (although geographical coverage has no doubt also played a role). With all the competent forces collaborating on covering Bornholm right now I think I'd better stick to working on Copenhagen which is unfortunately not blessed with the same kind of attention.Ramblersen (talk) 17:23, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks to you, coverage of Copenhagen is progressing very well. --Ipigott (talk) 19:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Rutsker may interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:20, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. Hmm, don't know what you mean about Rutsker as I haven't left you a note for a few days (per my Contribution history); and I see that someone put a Talkback Rosiestep template right below this note but it wasn't me. Noted about "Bornholm island" vs. Bornholm. Nice job on those 3 articles; I'll take a look at working on them in just a bit. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:32, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Mystery solved; no worries. :) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:39, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I've always agreed with Marrakech spelling, funny you didn't support me at the time on the talk page! Unfortunely the writer of the history article disagreed and wrote the entire article spelled as Marrakesh, I want articles to be consistent. What do you suggest? A vote on the article talk page? ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  17:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * When these discussions are spread over three or four pages, they begin to be more difficult to follow. I'm sorry I didn't get involved early enough in the discussion on the Marrake?h talk page but it seemed to me that as long as the main article was still using Marrakech, that was fine. I have now read the discussion. I must say that some of the arguments in favour of Marrakesh are rather weak and somewhat dated. I remember similar arguments about Luxemburg vs Luxembourg some 30 or 40 years ago. Now it is firmly the "French" spelling Luxembourg. Ditto Lyons Lyon, Marseilles Marseille. In Germany, Frankfort or Francfort is now Frankfurt. I must agree though that historically the spelling Marrakesh seems to have been more common in English-language literature. That probably explains why the historians want that spelling for their page. Nevertheless, it seems pretty clear to me that modern usage is veering ever more towards Marrakech. That is increasingly the spelling in the media. And for those who say Google hits for Marrakech are influenced by all the info in French, how about searching for "Marrakech weather" (16,600 hits topped by the BBC) vs. "Marraksh weather" with only 2,250. And nothing is much more up to date than the weather! --Ipigott (talk) 17:47, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Its Walsriad you need to convince! For me the fact that most specialist books on the city in English spell it Marrakech and most official insitiutions in the city are spelled Marrakech makes it awkward calling it Marrakesh, thst is good enough for me but that's why he says we shouldn't as general reference Marrakesh is more popular or so he claims.. I think an RFC would be advisable, but not sure many people will care. Emailed BTW.17:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC)♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld

DYK for Marrakesh
Yngvadottir (talk) 08:02, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Finally eh? Can you copy edit Patrick Guerrand-Hermès for me, he founded the polo club in Max Zorin's chateau! Aim to do the trimming on Marrakech later..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  14:01, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Lilleborg
That is such a pretty picture. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:45, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a very pretty place. Have you seen the little waterfall in Døndalen valley? Also a pretty spot. --Ipigott (talk) 08:10, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Can you proof this from German and add those nice pictures?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  15:16, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, and another Aarsballe. Now onto stubbing...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  20:17, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Cadi Ayyad University
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Almindingen
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dueodde
The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dueodde Lighthouse
The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hammeren
The DYK project (nominate) 08:05, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jons Kapel
The DYK project (nominate) 08:06, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Paradisbakkerne
The DYK project (nominate) 08:07, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Rytterknægten
The DYK project (nominate) 08:08, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Bibliography of religions
Presbyterianism wasn't included because the source didn't have a heading or any entries in that topic. And Church of Scotland probably does belong in a Presbyterian or Reformed or Calvinist or whatever section, there just weren't any by most of those titles in the book I'm using. I probably just got it confused with Scottish Episcopal Church. There might be some overlap there, considering the churches separated in 1899, so maybe it could reasonably be listed as both. My own "expertise", as such, really just consists of some knowledge of Roman Cathoiicism and looking at a lot of reference books over the years, so if you do see something that does look like a clear mistake, it's probably safe to assume it is a clear mistake. John Carter (talk) 19:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Bornholm images
I have uploaded a few engravings from Bornholm (see here) but will leave it to you to decide if any of them should be used in some of the relevant history sections (the long boxes on most of the articles make it somewhat less appealing to have images in the early sections). And would you happen to recognize this site? or be able to identify it from the map? Pretty idyllic so I thought it might be useful somewhere but I am not sure where it is.

And not Bornholm-related, I encountered these Flicker uploads which I think offer some better images (on several of the pages) of several of Bjarke Ingel's buildings than the ones that have already been iploaded. I will probably upload some of them when I get around to it but for now you could maybe have a look if you are interested in using any of them on your BIG articles. Ramblersen (talk) 12:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The Bornholm photo is of Louisenlund, see here. I'll look at the others later. --Ipigott (talk) 13:16, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll do a short piece today on Louisenlund. Some of the photo's of the BIG buildings do indeed look good. Please feel free to incorporate them as you wish, both in the main articles and in the articles about the various buildings. --Ipigott (talk) 07:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Islands of Denmark
Hi there. I was thinking maybe we could do a similar "blitz" of articles on another Danish island. If you like the idea, could you suggest one? --Rosiestep (talk) 14:35, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I am already planning to do Falster. Not quite as interesting as Bornholm but worthwhile covering anyway. Give me an hour or two and I can suggest some places for new articles. --Ipigott (talk) 14:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Falster
I'd be delighted to work on these! Let's give it a go. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:47, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You probably know it already but this interactive map gives a great overview and may be useful to your dynamic duo in the coverage of the Galster's nature. This Bornholm equivalent may also be useful.Ramblersen (talk) 10:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for these. I know about them and have been using them. Their website was down for a few days last week but I sent them an email and now everything is working fine again. --Ipigott (talk) 11:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Please take a look at this sentence in the Marielyst article, "Marielyst's white sand beach is the most western of those along the littoral zone of five countries". While the reference doesn't list the 5 countries, please add them if you think they should be named. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello there. Gedser Odde - I've finished my edits; you may wish to nom it. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries!! I'll go ahead and do that. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:37, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I've started up Corselitz forest. There's not much on it in English language, maybe there's some in Danish? --Rosiestep (talk) 18:09, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

If you have the time and inclination can you assist with the Johan Frederik Classen translation from the da wiki article? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:43, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I've given it some thought and am wondering if Corselitz forest should be a redirect to Corselitze, with any pertinent prose about the forest merged into the main Corselitz article. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:26, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I moved it the forest article to Corselitze Forest. I am Very impressed with your work on Johan Frederik Classen; I added an infobox and some imgs. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:03, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to come up with a 4-way dyk hook for Corselitze, Corselitze Forest, Johan Frederik Classen, and Det Classenske Fideicommis, but I cannot find an en language ref which mentions all of them. I'm wondering if there's a da language ref which does so? If not, no worries... I will nom them in pairs, rather than as a quartet. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:12, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

The summerhouse is mentioned here, and as this is an en language ref which also mentions Classens, the forest, and Det Classenske Fideicommis, I felt the 3 articles could be tied together with it. I did an initial search for info on the summerhouse and did not find enough on it, though if there is enough material to make an article of it, the nomination's summer house link could be changed to link to the building itself. As Corselitze is not a 5x expansion, I did not include it in the nom. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:04, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion on my part, but was the summerhouse built near by Tromnæs Forest (per this), or by Corselitze Forest? --Rosiestep (talk) 19:06, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Kommercekollegiet and Charles August Selby may interest you. I have completed by edits to and nomed: Peter Hersleb Classen, Ejegod Windmill, Orupgaard, Tingsted Church. It's been a pleasure working on these with you. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Orupgaard‎, Kommercekollegiet, and Charles August Selby have been nominated. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:55, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Abbey Church, Nykøbing Falster - can you please look at my additions to the Grounds section as what I added was based on translation? Kalvø, Guldborgsund - started it. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:04, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Oluf Høst Museum
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Patrick Guerrand-Hermès
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:07, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Gedser Odde
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Tusind tak! I feel very flattered that you should have taken the trouble to give me an award so soon after your return. Looking forward to lots more constructive work with you in the future. --Ipigott (talk) 21:04, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Started Falster Golf Club and Virket. Virket has hidden poorly translated text!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  16:25, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Anything on Kraghave, Guldborg and Kettinge? Hadn't realised Kettinge was on Lolland.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  18:31, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Will try to get around to them tomorrow. --Ipigott (talk) 21:58, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've completed Guldborg but can't find anything worthwhile to add to Kraghave. I think there's quite a bit to say about Kettinge and its church. --Ipigott (talk) 11:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Portal Society
Hi Ipigott, is very encouraging to see how much great work you're doing. I will abstain of giving you another barnstar as I'm afraid you might succumb under the heavy weight of all those you've got :) There is a portal improvement drive going on, now focused on improving Portal:Society, with the discussion at Featured portal candidates/Portal:Society. I know this is not your main area of interest, but I think you are knowledgeable to provide valuable feedback, which would be great as there are not enough participants in the process, and that despite its very high impact of 40,000 views per month, as is constantly linked to it from the main page. If you have time and could provide any feedback would be great, but if not I would understand. Cheers. -- ELEKHHT 02:55, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Elekhh. Thanks for suggesting I look at the Society portal. Well, I've had a look and my first impressions are that it is not too bad as it is. I also see that it is a candidate for FA and that quite a bit of improvement work has been completed as a result. My main problem with the page is the explanation of the portal's coverage. The way it is presented at the moment is "as long as a piece of string" as they say. That probably explains why you can get right down to categories like "Women in Denmark". I was quite surprised, for example, to see that if you go through Category:Corporations you can also turn up Category:Mergers and acquisitions, which seems to me to be rather outside the scope. Maybe a bit more emphasis on the areas which are seen as priorities for the project would be a good idea. I don't think the last sentence is really appropriate either: "A 'society' may also be a group of social organisms such as an ant colony, or any cooperative aggregate such as, for example, in some formulations of artificial intelligence."


 * And while we are discussing portals, I was wondering whether we could not develop some more manageable suggestions as to which articles should be developed under WikiProject:Architecture. The "Most reqested architecture articles as of 03-12-2009!" with "Architecture of Kazakhstan (25), Architecture of Abkhazia (25), Architecture of Adjara (24)...", do not appear to be attracting much interest. Maybe you have tools which could highlight articles of different types: historical buildings, modern buildings, architects, overviews, definitions. I find it a bit irritating to see the same red links coming up again and again when there must be lots of other topics deserving coverage. --Ipigott (talk) 13:23, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Ipigott, and thanks for the pointed feedback regarding Portal Society. I took the liberty and copied it to the review page.


 * Regarding priorities for WikiProject Architecture, that list you're quoting is simply a bot generated list of top redlinks, so I will have to reword that to be more clear, or simply just remove the whole thing? In terms of priorities for improvement, I would be looking to the list of most viewed pages sort them by importance rating, and look for "top importance" with only start class quality rating. Based on that criteria some obvious articles to improve would be Architect, Acropolis of Athens, Ancient Roman architecture, Stairs, Arch, Victorian architecture, Mughal architecture, as well as Oculus, Plinth and Patio (High-importance, stub-class). In terms of missing articles, the lists at WikiProject Architecture are useful, but lengthy. -- ELEKHHT 05:15, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for these constructive ideas. On Acropolis of Athens, I see that Acrópolis de Atenas is very well developed and could be used as a basis for improvement. I also see that the closely related Parthenon once had FA status in the EN Wikipedia (although it lost it again in 2007). So it shouldn't be too difficult to make substantial improvements. I like the way the Spanish article includes summaries of the main articles on the different parts of the site. I think it would be a good idea to follow the same approach in English. I may make some suggestions along these lines on the Acropolis talk page in the hope that there are still people out there who would like to contribute. Unfortunately those who made such valiant efforts on the Parthenon seem to have disappeared some time back. Yannismarou has also left us now and Twospoonfuls doesn't seem to be very active either. Doniago is still around though. Maybe you known of some editors who take an interest in classical architecture and would like to contribute? Otherwise I might once again have to take the job on myself. I used to go the Athens regularly on business but have not been there since 2005. What I remember most distinctly about the site is how slippery the steps and stones are in wet weather! --Ipigott (talk) 07:44, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, maybe splitting out the history section is the way to go. A better lead seems to be in big need judging by the feedbacks. Unfortunately haven't seen much improvement in recent years on Greek architecture articles, but one could try finding some help at WikiProject Classical Greece. Not sure if the place has changed much since 2005, but here is an image of the Parthenon from 2010, which btw has been recently up for FPC but not promoted due to scaffolding ?! . -- ELEKHHT 13:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The Classical Greece people do not seem to have been very active in covering architecture. Maybe the best way to go is to start working on the article itself. The feedback reactions were interesting but not too constructive. I'm a bit tied up with other things at the moment but will try to get to it soon. --Ipigott (talk) 13:51, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tingsted Church
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:01, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ejegod Windmill
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Kommercekollegiet
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Acropolis
Hi Ipigott - I am pleased that our collaboration on the Falster articles has had such a positive effect! It's always nice to know people are reading what we are writing. :) Yes, I love classical Greek history and architecture. I traveled through Greece in the 90s, spending chunks of time in Corfu, Athens, Naxos, Paros, so I really appreciate the architectural impact. I traveled around Turkey on a different trip, and loved the Greek ruins in that country, too. I'll look at Acropolis of Athens soon. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:12, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. I left a note on the article's talkpage. But I probably won't jump in for now to work on the article as I'm working on so many others. That, and I tend to shy away from working on long articles in general, even when the topic is of interest, such as in this case. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:03, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Sure thing; I've watchlisted the Acropolis and will check in on it from time to time. Will work on Stubbekøbing Church later today. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Nykøbing Castle may interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:51, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Guldborg
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Johan Frederik Classen
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Det Classenske Fideicommis
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Corselitze Forest
The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Hersleb Classen
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Johan Frederik Classen
Me being an administrator has nothing to do with it/ The places of birth/death should not be in the opening brackets per WP:OPENPARA. Regards, GiantSnowman 09:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * OPENPARA states that "Birth and death places should be mentioned in the body if known, and in the lead if they are relevant to the person's notability" - it does not mention them being in the opening brackets, and the examples clearly show no place of birth in the brackets. Plenty of other articles may have place of birth in the brackets; that does not make them correct (see WP:OTHERSTUFF). You will never see a GA/FA with POB in opening brackets. GiantSnowman 11:20, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No problems, glad I could help - please let me know if you have any other queries/issues. I've also been WP:BOLD and amended the wording at OPENPARA to make it clearer. GiantSnowman 11:47, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Antoine de Bosc de la Calmette
Antoine de Bosc de la Calmette may interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:25, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Nykøbing Castle
The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Orupgaard
Mifter (talk) 08:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Charles August Selby
Mifter (talk) 08:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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Grisha
Thanks for adding to Grisha Goryachev. I think its a different Grisha though who was born in 1967. I think it highly unlikely he would be 45 currently, he's early-mid 30s I think, 1977 or 1978 I'd guess for his date of birth.

Can you proof Marienborg Manor?

♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  14:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Can you proof the history of User:Rosiestep/sandbox/Savannakhet Province I rough translated from French wiki.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  19:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. Tomorrow. Marienborg Ok. --Ipigott (talk) 20:59, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Glad to see you missed me!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  20:56, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Did you hit the 1,000 mark? If so, congratulations! --Ipigott (talk) 21:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Not yet, no!! Just need Savannakhet history proofed and sorted out and then ready to nominate an 18 hook DYK for all provinces of Laos which will power me past 1000! Don't worry, Rosie will probably get to it soon enough, thanks for proofing Marienborg..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  21:10, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Can you proof Birdland (Hamburg)?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  17:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Stubbekøbing Church
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Walther
The architects Vilhelm Theodor Walther and Axel Berg may interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:35, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Asega
You understand Dutch I think? Can you proof User:Drmies/Asega for me?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:49, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget to drop by User talk:Drmies, if you do. Uncle G (talk) 13:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Have some patience!! The article once proofed will be sourced and likely improved, I would never have left it as a rough translated unsourced article for long anyway, so it doesn't matter. Telling us that we need books to write articles is sort of like trying to teach grandma how to suck eggs!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  15:34, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, no-one actually said that. Uncle G (talk) 16:30, 13 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I've worked on the version moved to User:Drmies/Asega which can now be moved back to the main space. Haven't done anything with the categories or refs. Have fun! --Ipigott (talk) 17:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Done, thanks for that!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  18:16, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Torkilstrup
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:01, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Kalvø, Guldborgsund
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

T Windmill
Yikes! Thank you so much for letting me know about this as my translation of "fungerer i dag som museumsmølle" was "currently serves as a mill museum". Unfortunately, I spent quite some time searching for more in en language sources but found nothing to add. I will work on Falsters Minder today. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Great job on St Pauls, Aarhus. Not sure if Bolsterbjerg can be expanded.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  18:44, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Not much to add on Bolsterbjerg and not really my cup of tea. Maybe you'd like to look at Crocodile Zoo, Falster? --Ipigott (talk) 21:33, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I've started Danmarks Traktormuseum (and a few others). --Rosiestep (talk) 22:47, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, I recall you weren't interested in another restaurant I started a while back. I'm guessing that you think restaurants, hotels and golf courses aren't encyclopedic?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  13:04, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree hotels and restaurants should be included, especially if they have something of interest to offer. But for the one you started, I couldn't immediately find anything of interest and was already working on several other articles. Sometimes you have to pick and choose. --Ipigott (talk) 13:20, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The trick of course is to avoid making them appear like travel guide material!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  13:36, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Friederich Ehbisch.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  18:07, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Safe travels, Ian, and happy holidays. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

This is great to see. Check its user page its been nominated for an FA on Danish wiki. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  12:38, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Marienborg Manor
1= HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  14:15, 16 December 2012 (UTC) 16:55, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Vilhelm Theodor Walther
1= HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  14:15, 16 December 2012 (UTC) 16:55, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Axel Berg (architect)
1= HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  14:15, 16 December 2012 (UTC) 16:56, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Antoine de Bosc de la Calmette
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:07, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you for writing such an interesting article. Keep in touch. --Ipigott (talk) 21:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Kippinge Church
 Harrias  talk 12:02, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi there. I made the suggested clarification at Kippinge Church. Will look at the other article soon.  Merry Christmas to you and  your family. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:18, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for the message of encouragement! I find Königsberg to have a fascinating history. Olessi (talk) 19:54, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Kudos for saving Mrs Hammer. Can you translate Skerpikjøt from Danish? Looks yummy.. Mmm.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  23:06, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Added a bit on skerpikjøt. I know it quite well through Faroese friends in Luxembourg. Their family in the Faroes once sent them a well fermented leg for Christmas by post but when it arrived at the airport, the customs threw it out because they thought it was rotten. My friends were furious and made special arrangements to safeguard the arrival of another dispatch a year later. It worked! --Ipigott (talk) 15:49, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Fermented leg LOL. Garnatálg I also started a while back, at the time I couldn't find a source. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  16:48, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

If you have a moment can you see if you can improve Slagsta and Uttran from Swedish.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  21:21, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I cannot promise anything for the next week or so. Completely tied up for Christmas. Hope you have a great Christmas too. --Ipigott (talk) 22:00, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

You too, merry Christmas! No rush, whenever you feel like it, they're still stubs on the other wikis.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  22:07, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings


Wishing you very happy Christmas, and very happy and prosperous New Year 2013.-- Nvvchar . 03:52, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. And all the very best to you too. --Ipigott (talk) 13:24, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Trinitatis Church
Gatoclass 12:03, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Falsters Minder
Gatoclass 12:04, 24 December 2012 (UTC)