User talk:Ipigott/Archive 8


 * Archive 1: January 2007 to January 2010
 * Archive 2: January 2010 to January 2011
 * Archive 3: January 2011 to June 2011
 * Archive 4: June 2011 to November 2011
 * Archive 5: December 2011 to August 2012
 * Archive 6: September 2012 to December 2012

DYK for Knuthenborg Safaripark
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

BLP tag removal
Please do not remove valid BLP tags as you did here. This article has almost no references. As an experienced editor, I'm not sure why you would do that. Span (talk) 10:05, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The article contains two valid references which cover virtually everything in the article. If you wish, they can be repeated as inline references for each paragraph but the tag is certainly not valid.
 * If there is a citation tag at the top of the page, then it does mean that citations are needed across the article. As you can imagine, there is no way a reader can know that two citations given in the article source the whole thing unless you let them know. Here only one paragraph has any source given at all. Inline citations are there to help the reader go off and check verifiable info. It's not just an anal policy quibble. Some say that the citations lists are the most valuable things WP offers. I appreciate the work you have done on the article. Thanks Span (talk) 20:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Birthplace of Simón Bolívar
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Will you please look into the review comments in Template:Did you know nominations/Palacio de Justicia de Caracas? I have addressed some issues but in view of the last few lines of the article I am unable to go further. Also pl suggest an alternative hook now as the original hook is no more valid. Thanks.-- Nvvchar . 15:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Palacio de Justicia de Caracas
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Palacio de las Academias
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bandholm
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Pacific Ocean
Can I interest you in editing this? I think it is one of our most important articles and needs to be expanded and sourced many times over.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  21:07, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * As I suspected, this goes right back to 2001. The sites used for much of the content no longer exist. It will then be quite a tedious process to work through it all and try to find valid references. You're the geographer but I don't mind trying to assist in improving the article. Give me a few days though.--Ipigott (talk) 21:27, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Knuthenborg
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Priyanka Chopra edits
Thank you for cleaning up the article a bit, but I believe that song titles are supposed to be in double quotes (as detailed in WP:songs), so please restore those. BollyJeff &#124;  talk  15:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad you spotted that. I was just trying to be consistent throughout the article. In the earlier sections, the songs are in single quotes. I'll change them all to double throughout.--Ipigott (talk) 15:52, 10 June 2013 (UTC) Done. Hope I haven't missed any. --Ipigott (talk) 16:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Putting punctuation inside or outside of quotes was done by me in accordance with this link: Quotation_marks. But you are at least the second one to questioning it, so I am wondering. I am afraid if it is changed then someone will complain. BollyJeff  &#124;  talk  16:49, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Not very clear examples. But if that was the basis you want to use, then I think some changes are needed. I'll look at it again tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 20:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It has probably been thrown out since so many others are editing since then. BollyJeff  &#124;  talk  21:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Johan Ankerstjerne
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Cotton production in the United States
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:05, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Palacio Haedo
The DYK project (nominate) 03:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

2 industries in Denmark
Hi Ian - I thought that Fishing industry in Denmark and Mink industry in Denmark might interest you but no worries if they aren't your cup of tea. I learned a lot from the mink article in particular. It made me think of the mink scarf and mink stole which I inherited from my grandmother, but alas can't wear them when I go out for the backlash. Hope all is well on your side of the planet. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Here's me chuckling as a minute before this post, you edited the fishing article. Grazie. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:14, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * You are right, they are not really my main area of interest, especially not mink! Between you and me, my Danish fishermen friends tell me they are going through really hard times, bogged down by EU regulations requiring an enormous amount of paperwork. Like farmers, fishermen always complain. But of course that kind of thing has no place in an encyclopedia. My time seems pretty limited at the moment with all kinds of other obligations. Glad to see you're still on top of the world and are advancing with your DYK count.--Ipigott (talk) 14:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Can you double check the fact for Template:Did you know nominations/Fishing industry in Denmark, I'm not convinced it means all of the industry.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  14:06, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Very strange, i sent you an email and it was returned with a "mailer daemon" notice. You haven't changed your email address have you? ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  09:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Will send you an email message.--Ipigott (talk) 09:21, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Fishing industry in Denmark
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Oakley Hall, Hampshire‎
Regarding ''Hampshire, including the Isle of Wight, ed. by E.R. Kelly. (County topogr.)'' reference, I have full access to it. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

No special arrangement. I've discovered that the geographic locale determines who has access to what on gbooks. Ridiculous, if you ask me. In a perfect world, everyone should have the same access. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:04, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, and we have it worse off in the UK than you in the US when they can be more certain it is PD!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  16:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

The sources states "OAKLEY is a small village and parish, half a mile south from Oakley station, 5 miles west from Basingstoke... There is also a National school, which was erected 1855 and enlarged 1872, on a plot of ground belonging to William W. B. Beach, esq., of Oakley Hall..." As it's unclear exactly where the school is located, I've moved it from the article's History section, into the Geography section, believng that "nearby" in an appropriate enough description of its proximity to the manor. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

What do you think about an article on the Pacific Ocean floor or Topography of the Pacific Ocean? The main article could probably have a condensed paragraph. Editing Marrakesh now, will have it nommed for GA by this evening.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  12:49, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I see these as two separate articles. I think we need one article on the Geology of the Pacific Ocean (including formation from the Panthalassic Ocean in the Mesozoic and Jurassic, and moving on to tectonic plates, etc., perhaps with a number of subsections) and one on the Topography of the Pacific Ocean covering the ocean floor, ridges, rifts, valleys, sediments, etc. I also suggest summaries of both in the main article. Hope I'm not asking for too much. You are the expert. Pacific Ocean floor could redirect to Topography of the Pacific Ocean. --Ipigott (talk) 13:26, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Marrakesh is now a GA nom. A quite excellent article in my opinion and virtually all of the info on landmarks is important. Bangui should be next I think and would a lot to have an African capital city at GA. Agreed, Geology of the Pacific Ocean and Topography of the Pacific Ocean and a redirect from Pacific Ocean floor. I'd suggest doing condensed summaries after the articles are written to ensure that they're comprehensive.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  14:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, Marrakesh looks pretty good now. Please don't start changing anything at this stage but the traditional tajine has a high pointed lid (rather than a paper covering). The bowl used to placed on the glowing embers of a desert fire (not in a steam bath). See the French article on tajine.--Ipigott (talk) 15:19, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Did you add that section Rosie? Plenty of time before anybody reviews it to make changes though.16:38, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Oakley Hall, Hampshire
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:04, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Belén López (actress)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:06, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Cabañas Department
Gatoclass (talk) 19:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Can you fix the inter link directly to da:Nørreballe (Lolland Kommune), it came up with an error when I did it!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:56, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * OK now.--Ipigott (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Maribo Open-Air Museum
The DYK project (nominate) 01:38, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Toreby
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:07, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Saw Torsten Valeur in an advert. Do you think he's worth starting?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:31, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I had never heard of him before but there's quite a bit about him here. --Ipigott (talk) 16:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you kindly the DYK review observations in Template:Did you know nominations/Nørreballe as there appears to be some confusion about the translation. I have completed mu inputs to Stokkemarke. Thanks.-- Nvvchar . 06:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * New hook for Nørreballe.--Ipigott (talk) 07:53, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Stokkemarke needs to be nominated today and Ivetofta needs a reference.-- Nvvchar . 23:07, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Wickens Fry
Keilana&#124;Parlez ici 08:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Rice production in the United States
The DYK project (nominate) 08:54, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Broholm
The DYK project (nominate) 00:23, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Dieppe, Seine-Maritime
In my opinion this page should be at Dieppe and the others moved to Dieppe (disambiguation). As far as I'm concerned the Dieppe is the one in northern France. Agreed? I'm going to request a move.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  14:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I certainly agree and have supported your proposal.--Ipigott (talk) 07:54, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Some time I'll improve the Dieppe article. I'd like to get Copenhagen or even Denmark up to GA sometime, needs a lot of work obviously, but Paris was revamped fairly quickly, no reason why Copenhagen couldn't be... Right now I'm seeking to get Badajoz up to GA status motivated by nothing but intrigue, its a dark, mysterious area of Spain which I know little about. That old Moorish castle looks quite imposing! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  08:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Great job on Paris. Now it's got the status it deserves. I'm afraid I've been rather tied up with the family up here in Denmark and probably won't have much time for Wikipedia for another week or so. It would indeed be good to enhance the Copenhagen article. You seem to be coming something of an expert in upgrading to GA, just as in pretty well all the other areas of Wikipedia. I see the list of things needing attention in the Marrakesh article seems to be getting longer and longer. Is it really worth dealing with all this fine detail in the refs? --Ipigott (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm in two minds with Lemur's review. Normally it would seem excessive but it might help it on its way to FA at some point. I'll try to address the remaining points tonight but those refs he listed are definitely excessive.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  16:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I don't think many people know anything about that part of Spain, that's why it intrigued me. Well, if you could browse thehistory of Badajoz article on Spanish wiki and any others in the category and see if it has anything valuable we missed which can later be sourced, and browse the official website on it and browse the left column you might find some more information. A google search for anything political/economic related might also prove useful. Whatever you can find, that wqould be a great help in strengthening the article. I'll nominate for GA probably Monday. Would be a good random example of a non-anglo GA in darkest Spain anyway! BTW I think this edit summary almost equals the dumbest comment ever made in the history of wikipedia]... (Television series was not in English so isn't notable....) ♦  Dr. ☠ Blofeld  15:54, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ivetofta
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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Engelhardt tram
Hello Ipigott

Nice to see that you have used my picture of a Copenhagen tram on Knud V. Engelhardt. Unfortunately that particular tram is from 1949 and thus designed by other people a long time after the dead of Engelhardt on Wikimedia Commons. It doesn't however seems like we have pictures of the actual Engelhardt trams. There were only ten of them, and the two which still exist are both in one of the depotes belonging to Sporvejsmuseet Skjoldenæsholm. --Dannebrog Spy (talk) 15:43, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Geology of the Pacific Ocean
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Can I interest you in translating Staatstheater Mainz? Quality doesn't look the greatest though.. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 21:46, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Also started Dimitri Ashkenazy if you feel like finding anything else, no worries if not, and above all no DYK pressure and backlash! The Mainz article needs more attention I think. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 09:34, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Might take me a day or two to get back on the rails. Rather busy with visitors and the heat wave at the moment!--Ipigott (talk) 20:53, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Staatstheater
To name the orchestra English is good, but not matching the theatre name in German, the orchestra article in German, and missing the "State" suffix they are so proud of, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I took the English name from here which I think can be considered an official site. Perhaps you should communicate your concerns to them?--Ipigott (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I see by the way that Google finds 62 refs to "Philharmonic State Orchestra Mainz" and 1,580 to "Mainz Philharmonic Orchestra". So I suppose pragmatism is the best approach here. Thanks anyway for your linguistic interest. I agree that "Mainz State Theatre" is better than "State Theatre Mainz".--Ipigott (talk) 19:28, 21 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Can you please look into this Template:Did you know nominations/Stokkemarke and clarify. Thanks.-- Nvvchar . 15:49, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Cathedral de Ourense
Hello. Perhaps Cathedral de Ourense and/or Ponte Maior de Ourense may interest you, but if you're busy with other things, no worries. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Agreed that it needs a name change... and I noticed the same thing... but it was a redlink at Cathedrals in Spain so I left it as is when I created it. That said, I will change it. The bridge article probably needs a rename, too, but I haven't done enough research (ghits) to sort that out yet. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

As a friendly FYI, Ourense Cathedral has been nomed at Template:Did you know nominations/Ourense Cathedral. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Radiohuset
I started on Radiohuset but when I got to its architecture I encountered this source which is very informative but also rather technical and with quite a few references to other European buildings. However, I am a bit worried that it will end up all unreadable if I try to elaborate. Do you think it is worth it, and if you do, is there any chance that you would have the time and interest to expand on it - possibly just with something very short= I do know that you are tied up with other things at the moment, have lots of your own articles in the making and tend to get a lot of sort of requests so don't hesitate to pass on it.Ramblersen (talk) 02:48, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Nørreballe
Hello! Your submission of Nørreballe at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 06:17, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks BlueMoonset for drawing my attention to further problems regarding the DYK Template. I was surprised the reviewer was unable to access my sources. I have now added an additional reference which is much longer and more academic but clearly documents the importance of the church frescos. I was a little surprised that Danish-language sources could be a problem. English-language sources a few and far between on Danish village churches although off-line literature is often available (but difficult to check out). Hope the problems have now been solved.--Ipigott (talk) 09:13, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 18:49, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Nørreballe
Orlady (talk) 00:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Stokkemarke
Orlady (talk) 08:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ourense Cathedral
Alex Shih(talk) 00:02, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Lilian Faithfull
Thanks for helping out with the copyediting. I've nommed this for GA, not much to go on and it's technically OK I think, short but sweet. I was wondering if you could try to see if you can improve it, I couldn't find anything more of substance, but I know you're interested in female pioneers and activists. If not, perhaps you'd be interested in translating Cristóbal Oudrid from French/Spanish, quite an important composer.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  15:29, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Been out all day to day but I'll see what I can do tomorrow.-Ipigott (talk) 20:39, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I've nommed Honiara, thanks. Can you help copyedit Gregorian Tower and Rapa Nui National Park? Rapa needs a bit of work still but Gregorian looks close to GA to me.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Great work
Hi, just wanted to say that I really admire the work you've done on Danish churches, you're a great inspiration! Thanks for all your effort and greetings from the other side of the Sound! Cheers, Yakikaki (talk) 20:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Rapa Nui National Park
Thanks for your work on this; If I've substantially re-organised a paragraph or so, I like to review it in the cold light of day – sometimes it takes a few iterations, so I appreciate your fresh eyes.

I'd like to raise a couple of points though; Ζετα ζ (talk) 03:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * the phrase "built along the coastline" seems to have lost something ie. orientation.
 * you have changed my use of two single quotes to "double quotes". I was trying to follow MOS:FOREIGN & MOS:Ety to designate names in a foreign language written with the Roman alphabet.  What is the best way to do this?


 * User talk:Ζετα ζ


 * Thanks for sorting out these issues: I didn't want to jump in with both feet. Ζετα ζ (talk) 18:51, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Aalborg
I've begun cleaning it up, would be great to get to GA but needs a lot of work! You might be interested in translating what you can from Danish or accessing a detailed history account of it for starters.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We both seem to have started working on it around the same time. I have quite a bit on Aalborg back in Luxembourg but will not be returning for another month or so. In the meantime, I can see if there's anything of interest in the local library.-Ipigott (talk) 12:03, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * All yours for now, if you're doing some serious expansions or edits though place a {inuse} tag at the top to avoid edit conflicts..♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:06, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

You might find more for Apinac, especially on the church, beautiful windows! You might also want to give The Mountain Eagle a read, which I nominated for GA and see if German wikipedia has anything missing of substance.♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Palacio Municipal de Caracas has been nommed for GA. I didn't nom it but I found it on the GAN page! Lead needs expansion and might need some improvements before it passes.21:41, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll keep my eyes open.--Ipigott (talk) 06:35, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Diego García de Moguer
Alex ShihTalk 12:02, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Aalborg
I apologize if I disrupted anything; if such a thing did occur, it was not of my intent. However, I thought is was commonplace to add expansion tags to a section within a rapidly improving article, so that all editors may know where improvement needs to be directed. Once again, my apologies if anything disruptive transpired. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 15:23, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I was unaware you were undergoing such a voluminous expansion of the history sections, once again my apologies. Just in case you are unaware, User:DrBlofeld and some of his frequent co-collabrators are undergoing an expansion of the article as well. This is the underlying reason for the expansion tags. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 15:38, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is also why I am working on Aalborg. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 15:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your message of encouragement. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Cathedral of Ciudad Real
Hello - I haven't stopped by for a while so I wanted to let you know about Cathedral of Ciudad Real. No worries if you're busy with other things. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Will work on Aalborg today. Can you translate Maurice Yvain from French/German?♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:20, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If you really want to go to town on this one, there is an extremely detailed biography here. I'm rather pushed for time at the moment but might return later.--Ipigott (talk) 14:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll start the cabaret sometime too. Aalborg museums section is a bit long. I'd suggest creating a sister article Museums in Aalborg and condensing. Also what about Demographics, Media (newspaper, TV etc), port development and info (needs elaborating on in transport), squares such as Nytorv Square and J.F.K and streets, bridges, cemeteries etc? ♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:39, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've created several of these articles; see Aalborg talkpage for list. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:56, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Good start on all these new articles but most need a lot more work. On Aalborg itself, the Religion section is very weak and duplicates info on the Budolfi Church. I'll try to put something together on the media in the next day or two. The Port of Aalborg should probably be included in the Economy section although it is referred to several times in connection with other industries. The bridges are already covered (there are only two). Not too sure about squares and streets. It would probably be more useful to write about some of the city's main districts. I'm not too sure what should be included under demongraphics (if anything) but it could cover developments in the population (some details already there), influx of foreigners, immigrants, etc., or even the relative well-being of the population as compared to other areas in Denmark.--Ipigott (talk) 11:37, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the new Aalborg stubs are fine as they are for the time being. No need to rush their expansion or to nom at DYK. My intention was simply to clear up Aalborg redlinks. That said, if you'd enjoy expanding a stub or two in the next 4 days, just add it to RBN Current Articles group; I'll do the same. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:20, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Aalborg Teater - I got that factoid form da:Aalborg Theater, not from either of the refs. If you think the sentence should be removed, please do so or let me know and I will. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:48, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the c/e you did to the recent Aalborg stubs. Already, they are better. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:30, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I still might make some additions to Aalborg but I feel that it is ready for GA now and any further improvements can be ongoing during the review. I'll nom now. Would be good if you could find something on the influx of foreigners or the ethnic composition to the city to add to what I've written. A lot of red links still left to clear though...♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Good to see it's now been nominated. Thanks also for your additional work on demographics and geography. It's great to have all those towns and villages in the surroundings (I know most of them quite well) but if they are mentioned, then we really need to say something about the districts of the city itself: the centre and its main streets, the residential areas, the waterfront with its parks and new cultural developments, the port, the factories and quarries to the east and recent developments towards the south (service sector companies, shopping mall and new housing developments. It takes half a minute to describe it like this but it will no doubt take me hours to bring up to Wikipedia standards with all the refs, etc. But maybe you think it's more important to cover the red links first?--Ipigott (talk) 15:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

On religion, you mention the Jews but not the Muslims. There have been a few unfortunate incidents with the Muslims in Aalborg in recent years and while I do not believe they officially have a mosque (although one is listed), there is a thriving Muslim youth centre. Unfortunately, the main sources seem to be rather racist news stories. Maybe there are official statistics on the various religions (and agnostics). I'll have another look.--Ipigott (talk) 15:34, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Category:Creators of works in the Danish Culture Canon
Category:Creators of works in the Danish Culture Canon, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 04:34, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Palacio Municipal de Caracas
@User:Nvvchar, User:Rosiestep, User:Dr. Blofeld: The GA review for this article has begun.

JB's house
A friendly FYI: Template:Did you know nominations/Jens Bang's House‎. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:37, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Jørgen Olufsen's House is another nice expansion. I moved some of its content into Jørgen Olufsen, giving you attribution. Note, Template:Did you know nominations/Jørgen Olufsen's House. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:40, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Better still when he gets around to Uppsala Cathedral ;-]♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:53, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Yakikai, for you kind recognition but with your own well-written contributions, including all your DYKs, you are the one who really deserves an award. As for Dr. B.'s suggestion of Uppsala Cathedral, I looked carefully at the possibility of expansion some time ago but was put off by the fact that although the SV article gives a pretty complete picture, it all appears to be based on just one source: Våra kyrkor, Västervik: Klarkullens Förlag AB. 1990. But maybe you could help out if we get back to it (and if you are interested)?--Ipigott (talk) 06:00, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hm, actually almost all of the Swedish cathedrals are embarrassingly short. I've been vaguely thinking about doing something about it, but I can't say I know any good sources off the cuff. Worth looking into, though, and yes, I'd be interested in helping out :) Have a nice evening, Yakikaki (talk) 20:00, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Aalborg harbours
I've accounted for the four harbors (Marina Fjordparken, Skudehavnen, Vestre Badehavn, and Ostre Havn) in a single sentence in the Economy section. What are your thoughts on the harbours? --Rosiestep (talk) 23:46, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

You may be interested
In expressing opinion at BOTREQ. If enough people comment there, maybe something will finally happen. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:23, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, we certainly need to do something about it. Tedder just doesn't appear to have sufficient time to maintain it properly. But his approach has been excellent.--Ipigott (talk) 08:00, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Palacio Municipal de Caracas
Hi Ipigott. Thanks for your reply, and I'm pleased that you found my feedback constructive. I'm also pleased that our paths have finally crossed - I've seen you around through your Blofeld/Rosiestep/Nvvchar/Ipigott DYK collaborations when I used to be active at DYK. Whether you resubmit the article or not, there is only one thing I ask of you - Keep editing Wikipedia! Take care, Moswento talky 09:24, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "It's a small world", as they say. I actually had no idea you were from this fair isle. From your edits, I had previously assumed you were Danish! I'm taking a semi-permanent break from content creation at the moment to focus on reviewing articles. If I do get back into it, museums/historic houses is definitely one of my main interests (alongside 1940s British films and minor Biblical characters), so our paths may intertwine more closely then. Take care, Moswento talky 16:37, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Sankt Olai Kirke
Sankt Olai Kirke in Helsingør is the last Danish cathedral which still has no article in English. Do you think that you will at some point have the time and interest to cover it? Ramblersen (talk) 12:06, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Good to see you are keeping your eyes open on everything that's going on, Ramblersen. Sankt Olai's Church was probably the last in Denmark to be given the status of a cathedral (in 1961) but it does indeed seem to have an interesting history -- despite the dreadfully short articles about it in the Danish Wikipedia (and others). I'll try to get around to it. If I make a start on it, maybe you could help to expand the article? I see you've been doing quite a bit of work yourself on Copenhagen, including more streets and churches. Good stuff! We're also contemplating further work on the Copenhagen article itself, perhaps bringing it up to GA status.--Ipigott (talk) 12:52, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes it is more relevant to refer to its long history than its status as a cathedral which is indeed quite new. But I do think that Helsingr in general could deserve some better coverage and an article on its most prominent church (to do your article on the delayed maritime museum company) would be a good start. I will of course be happy to contribute to it to the best of my effort. I just do such a terrible job with church articles that I didn't want to start the article if there was any chance that you would get to it at some point. It doesn't have to be any time soon (that part of the country sees very little activity) and I do know that you are busy with other projects at the moment. It has been a joy to follow your progress on Aalborg and would of course be a delight to see Copenhagen get the same competent attention. It is also very interesting to follow your recent work on Swedish churches and their frescos.Ramblersen (talk) 14:06, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I could certainly put together a page or two on Sankt Olai in the next day or two. We can go on from there. Glad you like what we've been doing on Aalborg and the Swedish churches.--Ipigott (talk) 15:37, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * As you have probably seen, I've started the article on Helsingør Cathedral with basic information. If you would like to expand it with the 200 or more pages from the National Museum, please go ahead. There's also an interesting theory that the magnificent altarpiece now in Roskilde Cathedral once stood in St Olaf's (but that's probably a detail for Roskilde).--Ipigott (talk) 08:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for doing such a great and fast job on the article! I think it might be worth mentioning that the church was used by a Scottish community in Helsingør, who had an alter there which is now in the National Museum. Should I just try to add something on it or do you prefer to put it in yourself? A source in English can be found here.


 * Talking about Roskilde Cathedral, I wondered if some of the information should be moved to separate articles on the four burial chapels which a short overview section could link to as "further reading". The article is very informative but in my opinion also a bit overwhealming as it is. What do you think?Ramblersen (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Please go ahead with the Scottish community story. On Roskilde, maybe longer articles could be written on some of the chapels and on the main altarpiece but at the moment the article is less than 50 k, so it's probably OK to keep it all in one piece. The current article also needs to be expanded on the architecture and on the inventory. I have the natmus write-up but I just haven't yet started to tackle it.--Ipigott (talk) 06:04, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lille Vildmose
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for KUNSTEN Museum of Modern Art Aalborg
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Cathedral San Juan Bosco
Hi Ian. Cathedral San Juan Bosco may interest you, but it you're busy with other things, no worries. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:15, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

After reviewing this, I moved the article to Comodoro Rivadavia Cathedral. Nice work on the expansion, and I really enjoyed looking at the EL photos. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

A friendly FYI: Template:Did you know nominations/Comodoro Rivadavia Cathedral. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:48, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

The Aalborg review has started.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:07, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Ian can you do me a favour. When you make the GAN edits to the article can you perhaps keep the review on another tab and update every point you tackle with the done template. It's just I've made a start going through the points and I see you've already addressed them. Just makes it easier and wastes less time that's all. I just saw your bottom note! Can you try to place the done template by each pointer when the next round comes in? Great job!♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm having major server problems at the moment. The technicians are working on it but I'll probably not be back to normal until tomorrow. Sorry about the lack of "Done"s but I have had great difficulty in opening any page. Please read my changes through. There might be points I have not dealt with adequately (e.g. on politics, restaurants...). I suppose you have seen Rosiestep made the 1000 DYKs. Great achievement for her.--Ipigott (talk) 14:34, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Nope, I just found out from you that she reached 1000.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:47, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The Luxembourg telephone company have just told me I have an old-fashioned connection which they are no longer maintaining. It will now take them a week to connect me to their fiber system. In the meantime, the only way I can connect is by iPhone (that is an iPhone connected to my laptop working on the mobile telephone network). So I may not be able to do very much for the next week.--Ipigott (talk) 16:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jens Bang's House
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, Sp33dyphyl. I see you've been doing some great work too on everything from airlines, submarines and IT gadgets to Islam.--Ipigott (talk) 06:36, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh. I don't know what's got into my head anymore. Keep up the good work. --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 09:34, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Congrats! --Rosiestep (talk) 14:59, 25 September 2013 (U I removed the infobox on the cathedral, looked really ugly. Do you agree that it looks cleaner without it and just a photograph? I've mentioned the names in the lead, can you sort out the broken refs though.
 * Maybe it's better without the box. I don't really mind. I can't see why the refs have suddenly been broken. Is it because of something your removed from the box? Can you fix them yourself? I've still got quite a bit to add on the paintings and frescos but am tied up with other things at the moment.--Ipigott (talk) 16:25, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks much better now than it did. Not far off GA now. Once that's wrapped up I wondered if you'd be interested in getting Skagen up to GA. Cute looking place, smaller town should be easier to promote, I picked it because it's the northernmost point.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:20, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Maybe Uppsala Cathedral "looks" much better now but I am still not entirely happy with it. Give me at least another 24 hours to tie up some loose ends. I would also have liked to have someone in Sweden contribute too, maybe Yakikaki. Perhaps he could help to get hold of some of the key sources from the Swedish literature. As for Skagen (which is just up the road from Aalborg), I would personally go for the Skagen Painters rather than just the town. Read the article and see what you think. The painters are now widely recognized for their significant contribution to late 19th-century European art. Glad to see your continuing interest in Scandinavia. One of these days, we should also return to Luxembourg.--Ipigott (talk) 20:33, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Might be tricky as it is a broad subject and difficult to know how much bio information to cover of artists in it, but we could give it a go. I've blue linked Ragnar Persenius, if you can translate some time.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:04, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Uppsala
Hello! Thanks for the notification, the Uppsala Cathedral article is wonderful! I can't think of anything to add, really, but I will check my books and see if I can find some minor stuff to add, or at least further reading/sources. Thanks for a tremendously good job, to both you and the Doctor! Yakikaki (talk) 15:24, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * By the way, yes - the church in Ystad is wonderful, and also don't miss the Greyfriars Abbey, Ystad while you're there. I intend to try to elaborate a bit about the church, I was quite tired when I wrote that article so it's rather short. Yakikaki (talk) 15:31, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Will wrap up the cathedral tomorrow before nomming. Ragnar Persenius, Gladsaxehus, Burchard Precht, Lågskär might interest you.♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:34, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

This says work began in the 1230s! Most seem to say c.1270 anyway.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:16, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Ian and Dr. Blofeld, I'm sorry to say I haven't been able to get hold of any literature which sheds any light on the question of the age of the frescos, so far. I'll keep my eyes open though. Yakikaki (talk) 17:07, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * There is a series of six books titled Uppsala domkyrka konsthistoriskt inventarium available from the Swedish public libraries. See here. I think No. 4 Uppsala domkyrka konsthistoriskt inventarium 4, Interiörens fasta utsmyckning / av Anna Nilsén och Herman Bengtsson might provide some details. But don't bother to go to too much trouble. I can look into it next time I'm in Denmark.--Ipigott (talk) 07:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, but it would be good of course! Ian I can't remember if you said Hungarian was one of your languages. László Baán needs improvement and I need it checked to see if even that statement is correct!.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:42, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


 * No Hungarian, no Finnish, I'm afraid. You might be interested in my recent additions to Uppsala Cathedral.--Ipigott (talk) 11:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Hungarian looks a very tough language.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Midwifery, etc
Ipigott, if you (or maybe Dr Blo or some other eminent lurker) would like a little break from Scandinavian/Luxembourgeois matters, you may wish to glance at Talk:Maude E. Callen, because after all why not. -- Hoary (talk) 11:23, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Took a quick look at it and saw you had already begun to sort things out yourself.--Ipigott (talk) 16:33, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Maurice Yvain
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jørgen Olufsen's House
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

French towns
Way back at the beginning of the year I expanded the article Plogonnec, mostly because it was twinned with my local town. At that time you offered to help with translation etc. if I wanted to work on other French localities. I didn't take you up on this at the time because I prefer working on biology articles but I did identify about six possible articles which met my criteria (for scoring high points in the WikiCup). We are now in the final round of the WikiCup and I am thinking of going ahead with working on French locations. There are plenty to choose from but I was thinking of such articles as Vauvert with a decent sized French language equivalent article. Are you still interested in a collaboration? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:40, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Cwmhiraeth. Good to hear from you again. Yes, I would be delighted to collaborate with you on French towns. It would do me good to have a change from all the Scandinavian stuff I have been dealing with recently. I have never been to Vauvert but I know the region quite well. I've looked at the French article but although it is quite well developed, most of the sources (and much of it has no in-line refs) are from literature which is not freely available on the internet. I see, however, that the town itself has quite a rich website which we could draw on. How were you thinking of going about it - translating the French article or writing a completely new English article based on clearly identified sources? I would prefer the latter but of course translation is always an option. What sort or time frame have you in mind? And which other French towns were you thinking of handling?--Ipigott (talk) 10:01, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, some of the French Wikipedia articles are not well referenced and for DYK, references are mandatory. Working from scratch would probably be a better option. The other towns on my list are Aimargues (the most important one from a WikiCup perspective), Bouillargues, Caissargues, Caveirac, Fourques, Gard and Langlade (Gard). I was thinking about expanding them over the next ten days or a fortnight so that they will hopefully appear at DYK before the end of the month. I don't know how you usually go about these collaborations, but I could start the expansion, you could enlarge the article and we could both tidy it up as necessary. How would that suit you? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:32, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's start by sharing them out. That will help to avoid edit conflicts. I'll take the last few (starting in reverse alphabetical order with Vauvert, Langlade and Fourques). You can make a start on Aimargues (why the most important?), Bouillarges and Caissargues. Depending on how we progress, we can see who should expand Caveirac. Shouldn't be difficult to make DYK as they are mostly one-liners with a box. I can also call on the help of other collaborators (see RBN) if you wish but I suggest we keep it to just the two of us to begin with. The only problem is that I'm not keen on getting involved with the nominations - so I hope you can handle that side of things. When I'm happy with my expansion work on each of the articles, I'll let you know on your talk page. You can do the same. As it's only the 6th, there's still quite a bit of time left if they don't all get stuck in the DYK queue. I'll make a start on Vauvert today. I hope it will all help you with the WikiCup. (Maybe we can work at least one of them up to GA?)--Ipigott (talk) 14:08, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, let's do as you suggest. I will start one tomorrow so that it will be nominated for a different day from your first one. Aimargues is the best scoring article because of the rules at the WikiCup for bonus points - it is included in a larger number of foreign language Wikipedias than the others. I am happy to nominate the articles at DYK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:57, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've made a start on Aimargues. At first I had problems because a web search brought up useless English language sources like Tripadvisor. When it occurred to me to add "histoire" to my search parameters, things were much better. After doing more on Aimargues and adding to Vauvert, I think I will work on Le Cailar because it has a similar sized stub article to the other towns I mentioned and, like Vauvert, is mentioned in this useful source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:16, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I wish I was as motivated as you Cwm by the wikicup to produce content...♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, producing content is just what I like doing, so the WikiCup really suits me. I will hand over Aimargues to you now, Ipigott. One of the sources I have used is dubious but the main one is good. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:43, 7 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Langlade looks fine. Anyway, if you do too much, I can't find much to add which defeats the objective of a joint DYK. Maybe you can at least leave the lead for me to fill out! With regard to Vauvert, could you check the information I have added on the community garage (#8) in case I have misunderstood the source, as I want to use this fact in the DYK hook. Thanks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have started on Le Cailar. It has an interesting archaeological history but I have only managed to find one source on the town - over to you. There is plenty in the French language article but the sourcing there is unhelpful. The decapitated heads should provide an interesting hook at DYK. I will move on to Fourques, Gard and see if I can do better there. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:20, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have started on Bouillargues. It is virtually a suburb of Nimes and has an official website, which is useful. I reckon that Fourques, Gard and Le Cailar are about finished. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:48, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have finished with Bouillargues for the time being so passing it over to you. I note that the "Histoire de Bouillargues" section in the French Wikipedia article is a copyright violation of the town's official site which I have been using as a source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:42, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed, that finishes our group of towns - quite an interesting region. I found it quite difficult finding suitable sources and when I had found them they were often written colloquially and not easy to understand. Thank you for your cooperation. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:51, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Translation required
Can you translate the plot for Das kann ja heiter werden, it's hidden, it's pretty short.♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:08, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I think the sourcing needs to still be improved and some of the content in attractions is more suitable to geography. It needs a shuffle and merge I think. Naturally we can only go on what sources are available, I'm sure you know what is a comprehensive article on such a town. Looks better already thought, thanks for that.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:44, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Michel Paysant might interest you. Can you try to find something?♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:17, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Franciscus Pahr
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mozart's birthplace
Gatoclass (talk) 08:03, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Vauvert
Allen3 talk 09:22, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Le Cailar
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:07, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Aimargues
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:05, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks, Dr. B, for keeping track of everything, as always. It's that kind of collaboration that keeps us going!--Ipigott (talk) 20:37, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Can you add some sources/content to Storulvåns, google books info is all in Swedish.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:45, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll look at it tomorrow. I'm out at a meeting this evening.--Ipigott (talk) 16:55, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Have expanded it and move it to Storulvån Mountain Lodge. Storulvåns is the genitive form in Swedish.--Ipigott (talk) 09:34, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, good to see. Thanks for you work on it. Hopefully I'll get around to Skagen next week but I have the Mughal and Dorchester articles also to attend to.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:34, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Fourques, Gard
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
A Barnstar ... but modesty forbids ... many of the articles on Luxembourg were just translations from other languages.

And yet, a Barnstar is a Barnstar. Thank you!

Dr Gangrene (talk) 18:50, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Comodoro Rivadavia Cathedral
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Caveirac
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bouillargues
The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Luxembourgian elections
As I mentioned on the talk page, you can't just move one article and leave all the others at different titles. All you need to do is start a WP:RM process to move them all en masse. Cheers, Number   5  7  20:39, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've been through all this before and failed. There are lots of "linguistic experts" around who are more than ready to use their own understanding of "adjectives" vs. "nouns", etc., to overrule a common sense correction. Common usage is paramount. If you like, though, I'll change them all tomorrow when I have more time.--Ipigott (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No, you need to go through the proper process. Number   5  7  21:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Etienne Schneider might interest you.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:47, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw he was red-linked in the election article. I'll try to improve the article. I have been trying without success to correct the title "Luxembourgian general election..." to "Luxembourg general election..." but cannot understand the procedure. I am not very optimistic about succeeding in making the change anyway as the rules of Wikipedia seem to have a higher priority than common English-language usage.--Ipigott (talk) 07:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

I've moved the pages, is that OK?♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:49, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Preparing Mughal-e-Azam for FAC. You may wish to read and copyedit it when you feel like it.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:13, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by all five - there are 23 general election articles plus numerous European and local election articles, plus all the referendums ones. They should all have identical naming formats. All you need to do is to word your request to say that it applies to all Luxembourgian election and referendum articles. Number   5  7  19:46, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

By the way, I checked in the Oxford English Dictionary to see which one of us was correct, and it turns out that neither of us are - neither Luxembourg or Luxembourgish are recognised as adjectives - the only one that is is "Luxembourgeois". Would you consider amending your move request to this adjective? Number  5  7  20:45, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Well I'm glad you agree that we can dispense with "Luxembourgian". Unfortunately, despite my attempts at explaining the syntax of "Luxembourg elections", you do not appear to appreciate that the word "Luxembourg" here can be parsed as an adjectival adjunct (sometimes also known as a noun adjunct) despite the fact that it is the same as the noun form. The OED is quite right in listing Luxembourgeois as an adjectival form although it is no longer in use in modern English. No, I certainly do not wish to withdraw my request to change "Luxembourgian" to "Luxembourg" in "Luxembourgian general election..." The five instances I hoped to cover are once again: Luxembourgian general election, 2013, Luxembourgian general election, 2009, Luxembourgian general election, 2004, Luxembourgian general election, 1999 and Luxembourgian general election, 1989. You are probably more familiar than I am with the titles and content of other articles about elections in Luxembourg which made use of the word "Luxembourgian" but I simply thought we should at least try to get these five right for a start. As you must have realized, I'm no good at editing templates so I simply would not know how to request coverage of all the other titles. I know there are also articles outside the political arena requiring attention too, such as Luxembourgian franc, Luxembourgian passport and Luxembourgian nationality but I think we should deal with these later. I'm glad, by the way, that we now also have the example of North Dakota gubernatorial election, 2012 on the grounds of standard usage despite the fact that there is an adjective Dakotan. I see we also have North Carolina elections, 2010, etc. --Ipigott (talk) 09:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * As I pointed out, the OED does not believe that Luxembourg is an adjective.
 * Also, why do you want to only move five articles when there are 23 in the series? It's completely pointless moving five but not the other 18. As for the latter examples, Americans never seem to follow the rules... Number   5  7  11:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I did move them all but you moved them back.That was completely pointless.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:55, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you're continuing this, but no, you didn't move them all. You left the 2013 one where it was. Number   5  7  12:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * No, Number 57, of course the OED would not list Luxembourg as an adjective, no more than it would list London or North Dakota as an adjective. In English, noun forms very frequently are used as qualifiers, especially in cases where an adjectival form either does not exist or is not is common use. There are countless examples in connection with place names too: Vatican council, San Marino government, Normandy invasion, etc., etc. These are all nouns being used as adjectival qualifiers. Why should "Luxembourg" be banned from such standard usage? In any case, as "Luxembourgian" is not listed in the OED, the only solution to applying your "rule" (which requires an adjective in all cases) would be to use "Luxembourgeois" which is an adjective. Then we would have "Luxembourgeois general election, 2013" and so on and so forth. Ha, ha, ha! That would really hit the headlines! And on the subject of the other 23 articles you believe should be added to the move request, I would very much like to know what they are and would also urge you to add them all to the request if you think that the term "similar articles" does not cover them. As for your comment on the Americans not following the rules, I congratulate them on using common sense. There is an excellent saying which goes "Rules are for the ignorance of fools and the guidance of wise men." Why not change sides and become one of the wise men?--Ipigott (talk) 12:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I provided you with a link to where all the articles are (see my comment at 19:46, 21 October 2013). You could also just click on the category at the bottom of all the articles, or on the template at the bottom of all the articles (not sure how you missed the latter as it's quite prominent). Don't worry about causing offence - I was being somewhat cheeky. Also, the OED does list Dakota as an adjective. Number   5  7  17:59, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Luxembourgian
Hi. I've noticed you've been involved in discussions about the use of the term "Luxembourgish/Luxembourgian" etc. in the past and I would be grateful if you could make an input into the (hopefully last) discussion on the topic at the Luxembourg Wikiproject. Thanks! Brigade Piron (talk) 09:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Brigade Piron, for bringing this to my attention and for quoting some interesting sources on the WikiProject page. I hope you are right that this will be the last discussion on the topic but I doubt it. I've been through the process before in connection with the categories and had absolutely no chance of winning (on the grounds that "Luxmebourgian" in the categories was so well established that there could be no question of making changes). The problem is that Wikipedia itself is regarded by many as an authoritative source - so when people see articles headed "Luxembourgian election" or "Luxembourgian franc", they think "Luxembourgian" must be more correct than "Luxembourg" and go on to use the term in their own publications. As for "Luxembourgish", it has gained some currency by non-native English speakers in the Grand Duchy as a result on the increasing need for employees in many professions to speak Luxembourgish and in all the discussion of Luxembourg passports and the Luxembourg nationality. In the examples you cite on the WikiProject page, I think we should be wary of those from the Luxembourg authorities. Many of their documents contain numerous instances of uncommon English usage brought about by translation from one or more of Luxembourg's national languages.--Ipigott (talk) 09:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Imtiaz Ali Taj
I have added some more text. It is no more on the RBN page.-- Nvvchar . 09:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I very much appreciate your additions Nvvchar but I wonder whether you could be a little more careful before finalizing your edits. I often find the prose needs careful examination and revision to ensure it properly reflects your sources. There are sometimes also spelling errors, especially in connection with the names of people and places. Anyway, I think we have now put together a reasonable biography. To the best of my knowledge, Taj's works have not been published in English. It would have been useful to include a list of his major works but if they are only in Urdu, it would not be very helpful to English-speaking readers. I believe a few more of his works are mentioned in the Urdu article] if you would like to have a look at it.--Ipigott (talk) 11:22, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Noted. The img is tagged with some issues. Since the book was published in 1921 and the author is dead, the issue could probably be resolved. I am not conversant with the procedure. If you are able to do it then we can include the img in the hook for DYK in case on wish to post it on DYK. As regards his books in Urdu, I am not conversant with the language and translation could be tricky. Please let me know if you wish to post it on DYK.-- Nvvchar . 09:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

I have translated the Urdu article. The google translation is very poor and it does not give a list of his books in Urdu. The only additional information given is about his translation of some French novel and the award "Sitara- e-Imtiaz" conferred on him by the President of the Government of Pakistan but year is not mentioned.-- Nvvchar . 09:47, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * It is my understanding that as the image is of an illustration on a book cover prior to 1923, it is out of copyright, even though the artist died only in 1975. The image has been used on other Wikipedia articles. I think another license is required on Commons but I don't know which. Sorry about the Urdu. I thought you were familiar with the language. Which languages can you read? From your background, it looks as if you are familiar with Hindi and perhaps Tamil. As for DYK, it's entirely up to you.


 * I had looked at the Google translation of the Urdu article too but found it too garbled to be used. I thought someone familiar with Urdu could perhaps look for sources for the additional points mentioned but let's forget it.--Ipigott (talk) 10:05, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Do you have any suggestion for the DYK hook and shall I use the img?-- Nvvchar . 10:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I would leave the image out. It adds to the article but does not really describe Taj. The hook could run "that Imtiaz Ali Taj was a versatile 20th-century Urdu author who wrote Anarkali, the romance behind the 1960 Indian feature film Mughal-e-Azam?"--Ipigott (talk) 10:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


 * You may like to see Template:Did you know nominations/Imtiaz Ali Taj and comment.-- Nvvchar . 02:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * In the review, ref 1 which we have referrred at a number of places in the text is considered an unreliable source. We could use ref 3 instead. Which is blog site?-- Nvvchar . 07:16, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


 * (page stalker) @Nvvchar: The Goodreads reference. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Skagen Odde
The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Malören
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, can you expand Karen Aabye?♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:47, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I've begun on Skagen. Can you sort out the translation hidden in the transport section and find some sources to source the train station/bus info and find something on the port facilities on their websites maybe? ♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:04, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about that, still working on it for the next hour or so. Can you also expand the painters section of the article with condensed text from your main article on it too. Given it's importance I think it needs a sizable section on it rather than a short paragraph.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thought you would notice if I put it on your talk page. I'll get back to Skagen tomorrow when the dust has settled. I can indeed add a bit more on the painters in the Skagen article -- possibly in various sections -- but there is also more work to be done on the Skagen Painters article itself. Perhaps it would also be useful to add some of the key names with short descriptions to the section on notable people.--Ipigott (talk) 15:55, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I think it would be more useful to have a solid overview in the Skagen Painters section. this for transport might also help]. We should probably try to compile sections on Education and Sports too.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:57, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Drachmann's site says 1872, have to replace source if you think 1871! OK I'm done. I've added the expand template to the remaining sections needing expansion, the Teddy museum could use a few more lines, the website I checked out has a lot of history details, probably should also have an article. The port needs a fairly detailed mention in transport I think, don't know if there's industrial info available on handling etc. If possible and administration/politics section would be good too. Once you've finished I'll expand the lead before giving a final copyedit and GA nom.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Several sources, including your frequently quoted timeline say 1871. The Danish article from Skagens Museum also says 1871. I'll get to all the other stuff tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 17:02, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Serbian one of your many languages? ♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:39, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Fortress of Luxembourg
Hi. Your feedback on a peer review of Fortress of Luxembourg would be much appreciated, if you have the time. Thanks. Dr Gangrene (talk) 12:26, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Re: Your suggestions. Yes, that sounds like a plan. Thanks very much. Coincidentally I was just thinking that it needed more about the remains and their current use and have added a small section on that (probably as you were writing your comment). Something about "great minds" and "thinking alike" comes to mind. Dr Gangrene (talk) 18:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your edits and comments. I am going to act on your suggestions and paraphrase the sections which I translated from articles, and at the same time make it more chronological, because at the moment the timeline jumps from one century to another a bit. And I will try and re-write the lead.

Well, far be it from me to claim "ownership" of this article, any further alterations you see fit to make, please go ahead. As I am not in Luxembourg, I don't have easy access to off-line sources (specifically: collections or publications of old photographs) which might be in libraries/archives there, so any fitting pictures you may find, do add them. :-) Dr Gangrene (talk) 15:16, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I am doing a bit of a re-write of the article (not yet finished).

So, you're saying that the images in here "Abzug der Preußischen Garnison" and here can be used, because they are out of copyright? Specifically, where an image doesn't have a © sign next to it, then no-one has copyright on it, also not Ons Stad? I just want to be clear, and I know nothing about copyright. Thanks Dr Gangrene (talk) 12:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Langlade, Gard
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014
Hi, if you haven't already, you should consider signing up for WikiCup 2014. Cheers, --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 00:50, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Port of Skagen
I didn't realize you were working on it; sorry if that caused a problem. I'm leaving for work now. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:01, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Nice article. FYI: Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Skagen. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:25, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for starting the Ruths Hotel and others. I admit to checking your work of late because it's exciting to see what you're doing at the moment! Started Hulsig.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:43, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Ruth's Hotel - thanks for mentioning it. Did what I could but couldn't find additional en lang RS. I'll nom it in a couple of days if someone else doesn't beat me to it. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:13, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Imtiaz Ali Taj
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:23, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Copenhagen
Look forward to working on this. Not happy with the current montage though. I think it's rather bland with the exception of the top panorama. Can you pick some more vibrant images of the most notable landmarks from the commons and I'll request a new montage?♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:57, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I had exactly the same feeling about the montage myself. It hardly compares with your meisterwerk on Paris. I'm working on the history at the moment but will provide some good pictures soon. I'll put them in the gallery below. Thanks for the edit confliect! It never fails. --Ipigott (talk)

Sorry about the ec! At least you expect it! Yes, sourcing in the article is poor, the shoddy websites can be replaced gradually by books as we work through it. I suggest we try to work on it one section at a time in a coordinated fashion, otherwise it's too much to focus on at once. Let's try to write as a good a history section as we can given the resources we have for starters anyway. I was going to suggest a WikiProject Rosblofnari/Copenhagen sources in which we could paste urls and brainstorm sources for each section.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:29, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I've put in the montage request. Can you check Olav Roots with German wikipedia and make some further additions/sources?♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:30, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Click edit on your tools section in User:Ipigott. I've added some blank templates hidden at the bottom. Everytime you edit or create an article you could simply copy them (right click and click copy with left button on the mouse) and paste them into you article to fill out and click copy and paste to duplicate them if you need more. If it isn't in Danish just remove the language parameter. if its German or whatever just change from Danish. It seems to make more sense to me for you to get used to using citation templates, seems as you use sfn anyway. Unless you specifically object and insist upon not using them. It's your choice, but I don't think that would require any extra effort to copy them into the articles you write and save you drawing them. Up to you anyway, perhaps you could give it a go and create some articles copying them. If it really is that difficult for you then fair enough. I don't feel strong about them to stop working with you, it's a minor thing, but I do think it would help us to edit in a consistent format.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:52, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, I've spent the last hour and a half translating the refs to the template format. Not as easy as you might think. All that left and right clicking caused all kinds of problems. Had to restart the computer twice. If you really think the citeweb template is so important, then I suppose I'll just have to slow down and try to write the stuff in manually. I must say, though, I still don't understand why a template is necessary when you can achieve exactly the same result in a much more straightforward manner.--Ipigott (talk) 14:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC) Probably a case of "You can't teach an old dog new tricks". I'm sure my grandchildren could handle it all without any problems.--Ipigott (talk) 15:10, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Sigh. Did you not read a word of what I told you? If you'd followed my instructions you could have simply clicked CW or at leats copied those templates and filled it in as you went. no conversion needed. You make things difficult for yourself don't you. Don't make me feel guilty for trying to make things easier for you. It's not my fault if you don't follow my instructions.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:08, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry you think I was trying to make you feel guilty. That would have been the last of my intentions. No hard feelings but you don't need to tick me off for not following your instructions. I explained some time back that your CW system does not work on Internet Explorer and as I told you, I tried to follow the new instructions you sent me yesterday. If I really have to go into details, after going through the process of right-clicking, etc., when I went into the text of the article in edit mode, instead of just highlighting the item I wanted to change, the whole paragraph turned blue, meaning that I would have lost all the text by inserting the template. I tried for about 15 minutes to see if I could get out of this situation but I couldn't. The only way I could get back to normal was to switch off the computer and start again from scratch. After the same thing happened once again, I realized the only way I could use the cite web templates was to copy them in manually and move the various items into the templates. I have never experienced the paragraph highlighting problem before and don't know what triggered it. Normally if I want to copy and paste, I use CTRL+C and CTRL+V. That works fine and I have never experienced any problems. Right-clicking with the mouse is obviously able to trigger some other unintended result. I found that it was much quicker and easier to copy and paste your templates using the keyboard and that is how I proceeded after all the other difficulties. But I still don't see why you think templates are so useful or even why consistency is so important when exactly the same output for the user can be achieved whether you use them or not. In any case, if you want to reproduce the problems I encountered, then just go into Internet Explorer and try to follow your own instructions. From now on, for this article at least, I'll use the cite web templates as I add citations. All in the interests of consistency. It may well be that I'll speed up with practice, just as when I use templates for invoking details of WikiProjects on the talk pages, etc. I'll continue to use cite web for the remainder of the article. Now I'll get back to the geography. In future, it would probably be wiser to keep my difficulties (incompetence?) to myself.--Ipigott (talk) 08:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm having difficulty with the reference to the Carlsberg Fault in the Geography section (currently No. 44). I cannot get the date of publication to reproduce. I've tried both date= and year= but neither works. The year of publication is obviously important, especially the day the url stops functioning. Can you help? What am I doing wrong?--Ipigott (talk) 10:49, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

It's just I really have tried to make it easier, even quicker for you but it's the way you didn't follow what I said and then are complaining about you having to spend 90 minutes converting them all as if it's my fault. If you really can't get it to work using Firefox just forget it and carry on as you have been. I didn't really think it would cause much trouble at all. If it helps though I'll paste some of the blank cite web templates into the Copenhagen article for you to use at the top which are hidden. Whenever you need to draw up a web citation just copy one down and fill it out. I've pasted some into the top of the Geography section hidden for you. Anytime you need to draw up a citation to it straight into the empty parameters and move it down to where it is needed. Perhaps you'll soon get used to it. If it really upsets you using it then don't worry about it. As I say the idea was to make things easier for you and more consistent, not to trouble you.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:44, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I know you've tried hard to help and for my part I have tried everything you have suggested. I think with practice, I'll get more used to it. It's not as easy as you may think just switching to Firefox. I tried it and had to keep going back to IE to get things to work. As you may have noticed, I've been doing all my recent refs in the template format. So you can congratulate yourself on a level of success. But can you help me with the ref for the Carlsberg Fault (see above)? I must be doing something wrong but I can't see what it is. I'm now having quite a difficult time trying to reference the climate section. Thanks for the templates you've copied into the geography section but they don't help with the Carlsberg Fault problem.--Ipigott (talk) 12:06, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Can't see a problem " Lars Nielsen, Alexander Lassen, Hans Thybo (2005). "Carlsbergforkastningen" (in Danish) (4). Geoviden. pp. 8–11. Retrieved 17 November 2013." Everything looks in place. If you have the date of publication from 2005 just change year to date and add e.g 16 August 2005. I used to use Internet Explorer but I found copying and pasting and wiki editing was much easier in Firefox and you don't get the irritating thing like on Explorer/Chrome where it copies everything you paste into a google search command. I currently use Firefox with a Kokila font. If I go back to Explorer now I find I have difficulties with things like templates and citations. Perhaps give Firefox a go and see if you find it easier to edit on it? Up to you of course. I know what works better for me. Sometimes I use Safari to read wikipedia as you have a reader option which makes the page look like an encyclopedic book page, but the text is way too small and fiddly to edit using Safari! ♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:14, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

OK I made the montage myself. Reason I didn't want to do it is because in scaling down the pictures to fit it can distort some of them and affect the quality. Not quite as bad as I envisaged but far from perfect, but I think it looks adequate and an improvement upon before anyway.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Pity the image can't be a bit bigger. The individual shots are good but it all looks a bit cramped. The ones with a white rather than a blue sky somehow attract undue attention. Let's see what others think. I'm not too sure how much work this entails but it may be worthwhile working on an improvement with, say, not more than five or six different images. Is there an easy way to put together a preview so that we can get a better impression of what the final job will look like?--Ipigott (talk) 13:51, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Try now, that's the best I can do. you can't scale down pictures to fit a shape without it slightly affecting quality, at least on what I have, that was why I was hoping somebody with a professional art package could do it.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:06, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Quick work. Much, much better. Well done!--Ipigott (talk) 14:28, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Would it be difficult to substitute File:Tivoligardens2.jpg for File:Københavns Havn (Copenhagen Port).jpg. It would solve the horizon problem between the two images on the upper line while introducing Tivoli, an important aspect of Copenhagen. Perhaps you could see what it looks like?--Ipigott (talk) 16:30, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Happy?♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:53, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Ian, I switched to Firefox in 2009 for wikipedia editing at my son's suggestion, and it was quite a difficult switch for me, for about a week. But it's worth being patient learning how to work within its environment. Please trust me on that. I continue to use IE at work (required) and I use Firefox for wikipedia. IMHO, editing wikipedia with Firefox is far better than with IE. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:42, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Port of Skagen
Gatoclass (talk) 08:02, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Luxembourg page moves
Could you ensure that all articles in the election/referendum series are moved. You can see all the articles listed on the template. You will also need to correct the links on the template, including the v-d-e link which you broke when you moved the template without editing it. Thanks, Number   5  7  12:32, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * If you look at my contributions for today, you'll see I've spent a considerable amount of time doing exactly that. I'm sorry if something went wrong with the template. I did check it out after I finished my edits and it seemed to be working fine. But if you are more familiar with its functioning, maybe you could ensure that everything is OK. I see there are also other templates using Luxembourgian. Could you handle these too? If there are other sequences you think I need to handle, just let me know -- unless you would like to share the effort. I'm glad this problem has been sorted out but we should really be tackling the categories too. But that'll require an enormous amount of work.--Ipigott (talk) 12:43, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have fixed it all and moved the articles you left out. If you move a template you MUST fix the template name parameter in the coding, otherwise no-one will be able to access the template by clicking on the v-d-e link. If you move an article, you are also expected to update the links in the template to those articles - you still need to update the links in Politics of Luxembourg. The best way to find whether links come into an article via a template is to use the "What links here function" in the tools menu on the left of your screen. Number   5  7  17:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Firefox
On my version of Firefox (Firefox updates versions automatically, at least it does so on a Mac), there's a bar at the top of the screen with the url on the left side taking up 75% of the line and a search box on the right side of the line. The search box has a dropdown menu (actually, just icons for bing, google, yahoo, amazon, wikipedia, etc.) so that I can choose where I want to search for something. The search box also has a "looking glass" on its right side and when you hover over it, the word "Search" pops up. Do you see anything like that? If not, it may be hidden and we'll need to figure out how to unhide it. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have exactly that display and "Search" pops up for me too. But I can still not see how to search for a word in the text of an article. For example, if I am checking British vs. American spelling, I might want to look for all the occurrences of "center" in the article. I can't see how to do that with Firefox.--Ipigott (talk) 16:09, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Click advanced when editing a page, Click the icon on the right with the pencil. Enter Center, replace with centre. Done.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:11, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I probably sound like an idiot but I can't see "advanced" anywhere. Is there not a help page somewhere which can give answers to all these problems. I don't know anyone around here who uses Firefox and therefore have no way of learning to use it.--Ipigott (talk) 22:30, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Again, I'm using a Mac. But on my screen, I have a tab at the very top called "Edit", and when I click it, a dropdown menu appears, with "Find" as an option. When I select "Find", it places a bar at the bottom of my screen with a box that says "Find in page". If I type Centre, it'll find all the occurrences of that word. ;) --Rosiestep (talk) 03:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much. It took me quite a while to understand what you meant but I have now found the orange "Firefox" tab in the top-left corner which opens the menu you mention. It tells me that just like IE there is a keyboard command Ctrl+F which is even easier. I had tried this before but simply didn't notice the bar on the bottom of the page. I've also found "Getting Started" on the bookmark bar which explains the main features of the browser. It'll all take a while to get used to but with practice it'll probably be just as quick as IE. I'll try to tackle it systematically when I've finished work on Copenhagen.--Ipigott (talk) 09:25, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

The tool bar Ian when you're editing a page. It begins with B I. Search along and click advanced. Click the pencil and notepad icon on the far right then replace.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:59, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry Dr. B, I can't find any of this. I have a top icon with an orange Firefox, then a line with a backwards arrow with the current URL etc., then a line with Most Visited. There's a Google search box on the right and if a put the cursor on the magnifying glass I get "search" but I don't see what I can do with it. That's all I have. But don't worry, when I'm through with Copenhagen I'll spend a few days trying to master Firefox. If Rosiestep, Hoary and you all think it's an improvement, then I'll have to learn how it works. Up to now though, I have been running into an increasing number of problems every time I use it and it's really been slowing me down. It simply doesn't function in the way I'm used to. But even Rosiestep said it took her a week to get used to. I'm using it now and have also been using it for nearly everything today. (Thus the slow rate of progress!!!)--Ipigott (talk) 14:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Click here You really can't see the word Advanced above the text between the picture and special characters in the bar above the editing page?♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:43, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * When I clicked on "Click here", I simply got this sequence of messages again. I updated Firefox this morning to the very latest version and I really cannot find the word Advanced although the "Search" Rosiestep mentioned does indeed appear. I am using Windows 7, not Apple. As far as I can see, I have no picture either. I don't really know which bar it should be on. But please don't waste any more time on me with all this browser business. I really appreciate all your help and concern but I think I will take next week "off" to try and find out how it all works from A to Z. If everyone else thinks it is so much better, then I can see I really need to try to come to grips with it. In the meantime, I am actually using Firefox so bit by bit I am becoming more familiar with it.--Ipigott (talk) 15:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

And you don't see

Editing User talk:Ipigott (section) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This is a talk page. Please respect the talk page guidelines, and remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes (♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)). Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable. Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited, used, and redistributed—by anyone—subject to certain terms and conditions. BoldItalicSignature and timestampLinkEmbedded fileAdvancedSpecial charactersHelpCite

above "this sequence of messages"?♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I must be using a different version of Firefox. Above this "sequence of messages", I have all the usual Wikipedia stuff (also on IE) like "Help shape new policy....", the User page line.., the line with Ipigott, Talk, Sandbox..., above that I have the Firefox favourite bookmarks with Most Visited, Getting Started and all my own favourites, above that the URL line ending with a star, a downward arrow, a renewal swirl, then Google search, magnifying gall, bookmark star, downward arrow (for downloads) and home icon, above that "W Editing User talk:Ipigott... then a big +, and above that the Firefox icon. I really cannot see "Advanced" anywhere. But it really doesn't matter. I think I am getting on fine. I would rather stop discussing it all and just continue editing Copenhagen which needs a lot of work. I've made another suggestion on the talk page by the way.--Ipigott (talk) 17:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Eureka. I used Ctrl+F on the page and "Advanced" shone up in green on the line where I have been using your CW for Web citations, etc. That was indeed why I moved to Firefox in the first place. I also see there is indeed a search and replace icon at the end of the line. Now you can really see how slow and stupid I am with these things. Fortunately I have my wife to do all my online banking, etc. The search and replace might be useful in some cases but it is dangerous in Wikipedia edit more as you need to examine each case separately (for URLs, wikilinks, etc.). Sorry to have caused you so much frustration. And thanks once again for your patience and help.--Ipigott (talk) 17:19, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

You do tend to worry about worse case scenario a lot rather than the general positive benefits and seem terribly intimidated by anything technical, I must admit. Glad that's sorted. The following two you might also find useful in your icon bar:

addOnloadHook(function { addPortletLink('p-cactions','http://books.google.com//','GB','ca-gb'); }); addOnloadHook(function { addPortletLink('p-cactions','http://reftag.appspot.com/','GB ref','ca-gb ref');  });

Just copy to your vector and to the control and F again. It allows you to quick search for something in google books, find a url and paste into the gb ref.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:20, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Vector?? Control?? F again? No wonder I seem to be intimidated. In my day we used simple programming languages like IBM 360 Assembler with hand-made macros that we could all understand. I think I'll wait a while before I add any further tools to my editing environment. I think too that I'll have to archive my talk page pretty soon with all the nonsense it contains. My priority now is to improve the Copenhagen article. It's pouring down with snow here in Luxembourg so I think it would be sensible to go to bed.--Ipigott (talk) 21:19, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit concerned with how many web sources you're using in relation to books. Copenhagen being a capital I'd hoped it would rely more on books like Marrakesh. Is it because book refs now take you longer to draw up because you won't use the ref maker? Anyway, the article is certainly starting to look a lot better, but it will needs some weeks of work I think to really do it justice! I'll try to fill in gaps with looking in google books anyway. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:14, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I didn't say the work was substandard did I? I said " the article is certainly starting to look a lot better". It's just I'm acutely aware of how many book sources could probably be used to produce the best possible article and most of the book sources to date are from me on the start I made on the history. If you looked in google books and couldn't find anything which you found in web sources that's fine. I'm sure I'll find a lot in google books myself to add to what you've written anyway. It's just for a city like Copenhagen I want it to look like it has been heavily researched in books as well as web sources. I think somewhere around 160kb like Paris would probably be needed but we'll see how much we can cram into the article and then condense it if necessary. Sorry you took my concern about the balance of sources as a criticism of the actual work you've done. Glad you're finding things easier now..♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:59, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I really don't see anything particularly critical about what I said, just one of the things I'd have done first is try to replace as many of the web sources as possible with books. I was thinking more in terms of books on the city like classical architecture and history of Copenhagen etc rather than travel guides. I've been known to oppose articles at FAC before because of lack of book sources. This article is still ongoing and you've done an excellent job expanding to date, I just thought you'd appreciate me more for being honest and try to ensure the sourcing is more balanced. I seem to recall that you were rather more critical of my Marrakesh article (and still are) and I objected to you focusing too much on the negative, I didn't realize that you also felt the same way, having also put in a lot of work already on this. As I said again, it isn't a criticism of the content and work you've put into the article but if we are to take it to GA I think it's something we need to be conscious of. I'll do my best to try to find things in the books. It's probably a good thing that you've taken on lots of Danish web sources as I wouldn't be able to use them!♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:23, 23 November 2013 (UTC)