User talk:Iramsamkeep

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On the talk page you suggested to add some people, could you write what exactly you'd in mind under the subtitles you created and I will transfer them for you (the page is protected do to some vandalizing by apparently Ouspensky's "followers"). I will also make the corrections you said when I come back home as they are quite reasonable. Thanks Aeuio 11:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * shall be done within the next weeks Iramsamkeep 06:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Picture
You said that you have a deep connection to someone in the Gurdjieff work - that would mean that you know the copyright of this picture. (No one seems to know what it is). And what are the copyrights of the pictures of Gurdjieff in general (such as the one on the Gurdjieff article) MoonEagle 12:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * did I say that? If so, than not in words:)


 * anyway, a connection to someone in the Gurdjieff work would not mean that I know about the copyright to a particular picture. This picture was taken on 3 November 1949 from within the cemetery of Avon showing the car transporting Gurdjieff's coffin to the family plot, followed by family and hundreds of pupils. Copyrights of pictures depend on who has them, can be Gurdjieff's family, can be others. Iramsamkeep 07:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Pentland
I have to say that I believed when you said that Gurdjieff never appointed Pentland to be in charge of the "Work" in North America. But then I read some of the info from your provided source and it said "On his deathbed in Paris, Gurdjieff had looked around the room; looked at those around him, and said " Lord Pentland take North & South America "." - Now I am simply confused. Can you please clarify the situation for me. Thanks Aeuio 23:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Many ways to look at it: One way is to use what direct students wrote or said.
 * Gurdjieff's last words to J.de Salzmann: Do everything, even the impossible, to develop what I have brought.
 * We have the written accounts of Popoff and Bennett, what can be found in Patterson's "Struggle of the Magician" or Moore's book is referring to Bennett's book "Witness". I have to check in Nott's "Further Teachings" if there are more references. If we look more closely we can find another approach. Gurdjieff had several what could be called "representatives": Jane Heap in England, Orage and Mme Ouspensky in the USA. He even appointed Fritz Peters as his successor. What we have as well is Gurdjieff saying: "Bennett is like Judas, he is responsible that my work is not destroyed, Pentland is like Paul, he must spread his ideas." "Judas is universal type: he can enter into all situations - but he has not type of his own." (Witness p.262)


 * We can say for sure, that Gurdjieff's closest pupil was J.de Salzmann. He entrusted her with a task she took on by doing the impossible.


 * Why make a tiger into a sabertooth? Iramsamkeep 08:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)