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Amateur theatre
You did a good job of Amateur theatre. I cleaned out most of the rubbish but left the article quite bare. You added useful content which made the article more interesting to read. You also made the language more readable. Well done. Rintrah 05:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem. You have made a very good start. :) Rintrah 05:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyeditor's League
I read your copyedit of Absolute Boyfriend and I think you did a fantastic job with it. I'm trying to assemble an organized Wikiproject to better organize the cleanup of the copyedit backlog. I think you would be a tremendous asset to this project, if you are interested please come add your name to the temporary proposal page. User:Trusilver/Wikiproject Copyeditor's League Trusilver 21:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

wiki in the class
I'm an English teacher as well, although I'm not teaching right now :(

Have you used wikis in the classroom yet? wikispace is giving away free private accounts to teachers!

I should be teaching again next year. Hopefully at a virtual school. I'll definitely be using wikis in that case!

I agree with you about the current climate. The pressure of high scores on standardized tests is detremental to creating life-long learners.

let's hope the pendulum will swing the other way!.

Pharmakon7 19:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, drama would be a diffcult one to teach online! What do you do now? And is there a list of user templates that I can pick from, like the ones on your page?  They're pretty cool!  Pharmakon7 20:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that! What fun!  Too bad I'm at work and can't play with this all day long. Which I'm doing anyway  :)  Pharmakon7 21:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah.. D&D was the thing back in the day! Are you familiar with the summoner geeks? Watch the video at the bottom.. I was definitly the monster thing getting the mountain dew!

I'll probably play w/ my userpage next week. I had test and papers and such due this week for my certifcation courses! Pharmakon7 17:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm taking courses that satisfy the requirements for a permanent teaching certification. Basically, they're education classes for non-education majors. I'll also have to take a subject area exam and professional exam as well. should be fun!

Mythology
I applaud your extensive edit in Mythology but I wanted to comment on your substitution of "ie" for "for example". I made a deliberate decision to use the english phrase after reading Manual_of_Style, perhaps you might like to look at it too. -- J A X HERE |  T a l k  13:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I was not offended, but since I changed my ways and you switched to what I used to do, I thought I'd comment. No one, I'm sure, is going to make a big issue out of it. Cheers.-- J A X HERE |  T a l k  17:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

YOU ARE A MEAN PERSON!!
All I was doing is cleaning your talk page and you just complain!! Mean Bean! --BricksFromEurope 19:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

You are not mean, but you are a mean bean, theres a difference you know!! --BricksFromEurope 20:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Bakersfield
good work:. Rintrah 23:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Random Comment
Hi. Just a random comment: it is great to know you do not smoke. Enjoy your longevity. :-) Rintrah 15:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Another random comment: I noticed you worked on Chocolate milk. I like quaint articles on wikipedia; it is as if there is some scholarly profundity in chocolate milk. :) Rintrah 07:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't say that! Couch your descriptions in a lofty, scholarly language, and even the lowest, most trivial subjects will be elevated to the august light of erudition; or read a Treatise on Black Hole gravitation — whichever is simplest. Rintrah 07:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't fight it then. Join a snotty club and laugh at the lower classes. Why argue a point in English when Latin will make you sound better? :) Rintrah 07:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok. I'm afraid accent is not conveyed to wikipedia. So you are at the level of everyone else. No one will hear my accent either, which is very different to the accents of most people who edit wikipedia. Rintrah 08:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You're right. The imposition of equality is one of the reason I don't check the new pages list anymore; though I did used to enjoy contributing to the articles for deletion pages. Rintrah 08:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There are some notorious cases of people exploiting the "anyone can edit" policy. Some people have cited the fruits of their misdemeanors on wikipedia as infallible research. It is a shame your hard work was erased. There is such a phenomenon as the "edit creep". A user called Lacatosis (I think) described how the process of well meaning vandalism can eventually ruin well written articles.


 * I would disagree with you on Featured Articles. I think a better policy would be to only allow editors of a certain rank to edit those articles. While I was reading through some of them, I found many blemishes which I removed. By also watching articles' process on my watchlist, I saw how many editors removed bad content and improved the article. Most Featured Article pages seem to have many guardians watching over them who revert well-meaning and malicious debasement of the pages. Rintrah 08:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know. Probably by proving yourself by wearing ceremonial robes and worshipping at shrine of Jimbo. Rintrah 08:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC) Oh and thanks for doing Bilocate. Look at the version prior to my copyediting and you will realise what kind of nightmare I had to work with.


 * How many? I don't know. But keep in mind that standards for inclusion go a lot lower than our tastes. Most of my votes for deleting episodes of B-grade televsion shows were in vain. The low standards mean it is extremely laborious making sure every article is written to a high standard. Many editors get upset when they are denied the chance to mount their soapbox and spread their agitation to wikipedia pages.


 * Some of the funniest episodes on wikipedia have been Jimbo's edits of his own article; he changed "soft-core pornography" to "glamor photography", for instance. The co-founder of wikipedia tried to have her article deleted — or so I read.


 * The article on North American fads probably frustrated me as Bakersfield did you. I admire your fortitude. Rintrah 09:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The article on North American fads does seem dubious. It was not originally written with the best intentions either; there were too many superlative sentences like "Product X took the world by storm, delighting kids everywhere, who were deeply enamoured of this merchandise - BUY NOW!" To me, it is comforting to know I made the article less horrible. If it is any comfort to you, the tags will terrify any reader who expects the article to be professional scholarship. The tags are like the sign to the entrance of hell in Dante's Inferno. The article could be useful, but only an expert could make it reliable.

You are right that useful articles are deleted. There are so many cruddy articles that many editors become hypersensitive and hunt down articles that seem to be unnoteworthy. Early after I first encountered the wikiproject, I added "wikinut" to wiktionary, I even credited my brother as the word's coiner in describing me, but it was very soon deleted. This incident taught me about the evils of original research. I do want to write an article on "kettle logic", but I am afraid it would be soon deleted.

If I may appropriately talk about my sadism, it is fun watching certain articles die. Many users posting on AfD are like senators plotting against Caeser. They bring down articles with their daggers. The final notice "The consensus for this article was deletion" is like an obituary. Rintrah 16:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I only need four more articles to reach my target 50. Rintrah 15:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

My target is for copyedited articles, but you are right, I do like deleting articles too. I am very heartened to know you like the serial comma. I feel as if he (or she) has been exiled, ignored, and scorned upon. It does not make any sense to speak the last two items more quickly. In speech, people use the serial comma anyway. Rintrah 06:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree wholeheartedly that its omission is incorrect grammar. Sadly, not all Usage guides, teachers, and people's common sense teach people that it is correct, and, in fact, most often advocate its omission. Many newspapers, including my home state's The Age, have an editorial policy to systematically omit it. Most editors on wikipedia choose to ignore it too, and, as a result, I also deliberately omit it to make the grammar consistent. I do not feel like changing the punctuation of every sentence to include it throughout the article. There is not much I can do about people's habits. Rintrah 07:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I have actually done more than 50 altogether, but my count from the time of joining the League is 47. Rintrah 07:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

New Section Heading
Your obsession is good. It makes up for my half-hearted advocacy of it. Newspaper language does seem to be standardised (or should I say "standarized"? :) ). It seems as if most articles are written by the same person. I have not examined the punctuation closely, and did not realise they adhered to rules different to Standard English. Can you give examples? I know the serial comma was originally omitted, as well as other typographical features introduced, to accomodate the typewriter format — I think. If you rouse a revolution to reclaim the serial comma, I will join your angry mob. :)

47 is good; but the speed at which I work means I sacrifice thoroughness sometimes. Rintrah 07:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

You are right. At least newspaper language is better than TV news language; there are no phrases like "To other news" or "Looking at the weather now", for instance. Newspaper language is very compact and prefers conventions of compactness to elegence. What you are complaining of is exemplified in opinion pieces. "Amusing Ourselves to Death" explains the role of language in these media very well. The reason I am less heavy handed than you is I have grown tired of my most bold changes been corrected; so I change the language conservatively. I hope you still remain bold. If you have suggestions for improvement, please let me know. I have never studied grammar or writing formally, and am ever reliant on others' help.

My secondary education is sufficient? I have been running away from that since I graduated. I cringe at the pretensious writing it encouraged; I used to have the marking criteria in my head when I wrote essays. The tactic worked, but my English suffered until I learnt to undo what was instilled in me.

I do not often read newspapers or watch the news either; I complain about more than just the grammar. What bothers me most about television news, though, is that presenters often do not observe punctuation (here, anyway). They leap over periods proudly and continue into a new sentence. Some of the most awful cliches are found in television news too.

What do I do? I study Science at University of Melbourne.

By the way, when I hit 50 copyedits, I am going to scale back my copyediting and read more. I am trying to learn Latin too. :) Rintrah 09:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I just found one of your comments pecular — U.S. newspapers sometimes do not use complete sentences?! Even the mX here, an express paper for sub-substandard journalism and gossip, has complete sentences, after editing, in all articles but analysis, opinion, and "cultural" ones. Broadsheet newspapers here only relax the standard of having a complete sentence in analysis pieces, since it is assumed these can be somewhat colloquial. One habit I have noticed recently is that certain transitive verbs are being employed as instrasitive ones. It is very strange. Rintrah 09:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * In Australian television, only talk shows use the "everyone is my chum" format consistently. Although some news presenters attempt banter, it usually comes across as strained, so if it is used too often, the presenters seem secretly to want to kill each other. Only a handful of companies own television networks here, each of which lacks the tremendous budgets of American networks; so they probably refrain from "infotainment" for this reason. A few shows like Sunrise and the Today show, however, wallow in it; they present TV news in a 15 minute loop.


 * Here news presenters often talk very quickly, so they barge through hindering punctuation. The stories are also presented so quickly, they cause whiplash to people who prefer analysis, like me; it is as if viewers are all quick witted, since there is no scope for normal analysis.


 * You do know the monarch and darling of journalism, Ambrose Bierce, lived in America, right?


 * If you have the chance, can you ask television networks there not to export their crap TV shows here? The governing criteria for purchasing shows here are, "is it popular over there, and can we afford it?". If the answer is "yes", they will purchase them and broadcast them en masse. No nether region of taste is prohibited to the public; Big Brother, for instance, is highly esteemed.


 * I am suprised the Elizabethen Theatre project shunned you; their articles need dedicated members. Some could be much, much better written.


 * Reading is both a pleasure and research. ;) Rintrah 12:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Shows like Today Tonight and A Current Affair are probably worse than anything you have seen on American television, save Fox News. In a solemn, post-September 11 Today Tonight broadcast, for instance, Naomi Robsin, the host, after describing the scene of the World Trade Centre, says, "and now to bras and liposuction." I cannot describe how bad they are; imagine Jerry Springer with the pretense of a news show.


 * I wish there were more discontent at Big Brother and other reality TV shows here. Only a few years ago, the networks saturated programming with Reality TV shows. They were ubiquitous. Even on the train I could not get away from them, for there would always be people talking about contestants' vapid antics. Only controversial incidents provoked people to call for their end; but they did not help because the shows became more popular. Eventually, the networks removed half of them when consumers had reached a limit of tolerance.


 * The only all-news network we have is Sky News, which is part British. It is only available to people with cable, digital, or satellite TV. I have none of these, I am glad to say! I think you are wrong, sadly, for many intelligent people I know do watch TV. They too succumb to sloth. You and I, however, know better than to be continually insulted by inane shows. TV that is purportedly targetted at intelligent people is also terrible; it is always extremely cheesy.


 * You are right literature is more difficult to write about than other subject. I used to get frustrated at the introductory essays to Shakespeare books; part was speculative, the rest indulgent.


 * Journalism has changed significantly since Bierce's time, and no journalist since him has written as well, in my mind. But he did not follow the standards of his time either. Apparently he kept a pistol by his side for his own protection.


 * It is interesting you say Science does not agree with you, for your userpage says you have a Bachelor of Science! You are right too that we are different: I read both fiction and non-fiction for pleasure; but I count both as research too.


 * Anyway, have a great day! :) Rintrah 05:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

You were being facetious? I am a raging lion in the wild then; no one hates television as much as I. :(

You have Norton Shakespeare? I have wanted the Norton Anthology of Poetry for a long time, and christmas is now approaching.

Reality TV shows are cheaply produced, and they are thus cheap products in every way. I know I have an obsessive hatred of Reality TV; the trauma inflicted on me when it first arrived is still with me.

I think McDonalds has caused the low opinion of America more than Jerry Springer, which only plays on daytime television around the world. But it is not as if the news broadcasts how much America is revered; it is widely regarded as a place of opportunity by those in less developed countries.

I did have a good day, so thanks. Rintrah 14:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * People object to the corporate aspects of McDonalds more than the food itself. Walmart has not expanded overseas, as far as I know.


 * I also used to read and watch TV at the same time, and then I realised I enjoyed reading more with the TV off.


 * How do you know goodness of my day did not stem from you? You might have had some part of it. :) Rintrah 01:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Gil Vincente
Hi. Can you help me with Gil Vincente? I have only done a rough job of it so far. There were some amusing misstranslations from Portugese, like: "The authors own works were contradictorious." Rintrah 14:13, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That's fine. I have barely put any effort into it, so I shall not be surprised if you overwrite any of my work. I do not do collaborations well either; I am really handing it to you, and filling in parts of it if I can be bothered. If I might ask a small favour, though, can you not modernise the spelling of "reflexion"? I deliberately left the word as it was because it made me smile. No doubt someone eventually will. Rintrah 01:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Although I write in British English, I am also accustomed to reading American English. But I can satisfy your request. If I saw Shakespeare or Donne poems written in American English, however, I might feel a surge of anti-American sentiment. Spelling usually does not excite my passions, but some things are precious. Anyway, thanks. :) Rintrah 08:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You have done good work so far—well, I have not really reviewed it properly, but I am sure I would say that if I had. I think you should worry more about the idiomatic subtleties of English than the idiomatic subtleties of mistranslated Portuguese—wait, I have just invoked a contradiction of terms! You are proficient in the former, but, I am sad to say, have no talent in mistranslating Portguese nuances. Across the Atlantic, there seems to be a war between British and American grammarians; in Australia, pupils are taught mostly British English, but have no trouble accepting American English. I am just one of the few warriors in the vanguard of the British English side here; so I mostly smite countrymen who dare to write in American English. (I know I have a little obsession, but I must find some way of indulging my neuroses.)


 * It is great to see you are studying French. I want to study it after Latin.


 * Anyway, by the time you read this, you will have risen, and I perhaps shall still be in bed. Good morning/day/afternoon/evening! Rintrah 13:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ideas: Philosophical themes, Philosophy in Vincente's Works, Philosophical motifs, Philosophy and Vincente's works... Rintrah 13:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry about confusing you. Rintrah 02:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have checked most of it. You have done an excellent job. By the way, I also have Gaelic blood, as evidenced by my red hair. Rintrah 03:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

What is an Irish nose?

My mother has mostly Irish blood, and my father mostly Anglo Saxon.

Yes, many people in Australia have Gaelic blood — mostly Irish.

I am little tired of copyediting now, so I am remaining aloof; but I do greatly appreciate your work on Gil Vincente. Your effort is very visible, and you have made the article quite decent.

I hope I have achieved something and learnt something too. Latin is most important to me now. Rintrah 06:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Fun, fun, fun
What a great way to begin an article (1985 World Rally Championship season): "Slowly at first, but gradually gathering momentum, the old order of rallying would change during 1985." This made me laugh. Rintrah 14:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Blitz (wrestler) is also hilarious.


 * My copyedit tally has reached 59. Now that I have achieved quantity, I should perhaps try to achieve quality as well. :) Rintrah 15:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I am trying to learn how to nitpick too, and I always closely examine how others modify my work. My patience generally will not suffer thorough copyedits, so I never copyedit anything perfectly, even though I want to. I do some articles in a blitz, and many more at odd hours — like now. As I said earlier, I am doing this with the intention that it will eventually improve my writing. Right now, what would most improve it is a good night's sleep. :) Rintrah 19:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Commended
You are commended for your editing efforts. Hmains 22:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Tessa
I put another photo of Tessa on my userpage — in this one, her hair is short! Rintrah 09:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for not accusing me of dog abuse. I was holding her while she was desperate to retrieve her ball and start play, hence her anxious expression.


 * The garden behind me is in my mother's estate (actually, country home), where I am staying now. I live in Melbourne, which is in another state and now being choked by smoke.


 * I thought it worthwhile posting my own photo to convince people I am not a computer geek with large, round glasses.


 * I like being somewhere away from home at christmas time. :) Rintrah 04:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Most of the pollution comes from the bushfires raging throughout the state of Victoria. Great masses of smoke have travelled to the city, and blanketed the sky in a grey gloom.


 * I confess: I do wear glasses. They are decent, black-rimmed ones my friends seem to like.


 * If your computer does not spurt fire, it is obviously not one of these:.


 * I was hugging my doggie, but I had to encourage her to stay still first, for the photo opportunity.


 * Merry Christmas to you too. :-) Rintrah 10:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Heh. Yes I can. A year of editing has accustomed me to odd featured articles.


 * My aside: I bought a writing, editing manual for myself. I shall try to learn the principles of each formally now. Yeah, so I'll learn myself up in them thing dongs, like totally, to the super-max—it is not working yet. Rintrah 11:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas, Iriswings! Rintrah 04:57, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Serial comma dispute
This discussion might interest you (over a serial comma dispute): Talk:Dog. I hope I have put the case for the serial comma well. Rintrah 12:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * He replied and I replied to him. His argument is getting weirder. I think I am wasting my time. I am feeling ill, so I probably shouldn't spend much more time arguing about serial commas—which is too much effort for my already overtaxed body. (Talk:Serial comma) Rintrah 14:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Iriswings. I think I have a cold, though I am feeling better than yesterday. This is my second sore-throat illness in a month. Rintrah 22:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It's possible. But I haven't had tonsilitis for a long time, and my last sore-throat was viral. I shall go the doctor tomorrow if I am still very ill. Thanks for your concern. Rintrah 23:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

A quick solution
I solved the copyediting problem of one page by reverting to a earlier version which was much less verbose. Rintrah 06:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

House
Wow. Wikipedia is amazing! While I was editing the article House, for example, I found out that people actually live in dwellings called houses. It is difficult for those of us who live in cardboard boxes to understand, and is so fascinating! Rintrah 09:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * We should treat the sentence "Families, as well as other social groups, generally live permanently in houses." with suspicion; for it doesn't have a citation! My inner-clown wants to add to it. I find the article House excessively American-centric; for in Australia, we live in kangaroo shelters! I shall request the article be moved — not to Simple English, but to Simple-minded English.


 * Happy new year! Rintrah 04:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well guess what? I'm not sick anymore — not physically anyway; I cannot account for psychiatric opinion. Half of the time I am flippy to other people. But actually, I am normal, and everyone else is insane. Rintrah 07:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * That's ok. I was just being silly. When I hear something like "at this point of time", or "due to the fact that", I think the speaker speaks through a mask of sanity. Worse is "we are trying to create synergies". Sometimes it's fun; sometimes it's a nightmare. Rintrah 07:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. but when they are spoken, there is no "edit this page" tab for correcting them. After a sleepness night once, while I sat in the airport lounge waiting for a plane, the loud speaker repeated, "Good morning ladies and gentlement, boys and girls, this is a very special message from Virgin Blue." I imagined desperately an "edit this page" tab, and I deleted the text so I could have some peace. Rintrah 07:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Speech is fine for me, too. I rarely regret what I say either, because if I have nothing interesting to say, I say nothing. It's also easier to impress people with speech than writing. Unlike you, though, I write much more quickly than I speak. When I do speak quickly, I am usually thinking in the same mode as when I write. I worry most about how people's words linger in my mind after they are spoken. I despair that I have little hope of correcting them—this is the spring of my fantasy. Rintrah 08:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

WHY ARE YOU ALL UP N MY BIUSNESS!
Man, why are people always up other peoples buisnesses? It just gets on my nerves! I hope people can understand one day that they have their own buisnesses to take care of because then they'll see how disturbing it is when people get up in thier buisnesses! Ir's going to be really awesome! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.59.2.128 (talk) 01:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC).


 * I'm sorry, but I don't know who you are. If we have a problem, please be more specific about what it is. IrisWings 20:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I don't understand it. But I guess if I thought about it deeply enough, I might see the rudiments of a thought; or nothing at all. Rintrah 13:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps because weirdos look up to you for your decency, they seek guidance from you. Who knows what neuroses inspired them? — except me, because I am also neurotic. In this very hot weather, I cannot be bothered editing wikipedia much, either. The weather here thoroughly discourages intellect. Indeed, life in the Antipodes is very different to the Northern part of the world. Rintrah 13:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

League of Copyeditors participation drive!
Dear League member,

We've started a participation drive for the remainder of February. If you can, please help clear the backlog by adopting the following goals each week:
 * Select an article to copy-edit from the backlog. After your copy-edit, list the article in the articles ready for final proofread section.
 * Select a different article to proofread from the articles ready for final proofread section.

Thanks for your help! By the way, I chortled at the above rant. It made my day. Budding Journalist 08:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sheerness FAC
Hi. I'm sorry to bother you, but as a LoCE member, I just wondered if you would be willing to have a look through the Sale, Greater Manchester article. It is currently a Featured Article Candidate and needs a copy-edit for grammar by someone who hasn't yet seen it. Any other ways to improve the article would also be welcome. Thank you very much, if you can. Epbr123 16:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Survey
Hi IrisWings!

I have put together a survey for female editors of Wikipedia (and related projects) in order to explore, in greater detail, women's experiences and roles within the Wikimedia movement. It'd be wonderful if you could participate!

It's an independent survey, done by me, as a fellow volunteer Wikimedian. It is not being done on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation. I hope you'll participate!

Just click this link to participate in this survey, via Google!

Any questions or concerns, feel free to email me or stop by my user talk page. Also, feel free to share this any other female Wikimedians you may know. It is in English, but any language Wikimedia participants are encouraged to participate. I appreciate your contributions - to the survey and to Wikipedia! Thank you! SarahStierch (talk) 04:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Succubi in fiction for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Succubi in fiction is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Succubi in fiction until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.  Them From  Space  19:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
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