User talk:Ironholds/archive11

Re: User:D.M.N./Books
I note for the library idea you've got this.... under the sports section you could put a direct link to WP:MOTOR/LIB which is WikiProject's MotorSport's library. D.M.N. (talk) 14:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Cole Herrington
I hate your guts. This nation is real and shall take over.

I can do as i please.
I'll do what i want. I have free will —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Real American (talk • contribs) 16:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

WP:Articles_for_deletion/Vice_President_of_the_Confederacy_of_Independent_People
Greetings, I noticed, i'm not seeing this AFD on the Log page. I found it through the article. Just thought I'd let you know.--Cube lurker (talk) 16:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Accidental block
I just accidently blocked you instead of User:The Real American - I got mixed up between different tabs in my browser. I immediately reverted this error so you should be able to edit as normal. I'm very sorry if this caused you any inconvenience or embarrassment - it wasn't intended, and I've made that clear in the reason I gave for unblocking you. Sorry again, Nick-D (talk) 22:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Aww you should have left him blocked :P-- Patton t / c 22:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That is alright! The unblock summary included a message to the tune of "don't worry, he isn't a vandal" so I don't mind :). Ironholds (talk) 09:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

spelling
You left a note on user talk p.  with respect to [[Norman Birkett]: "judgement is judgement, not judgment; see this for example.  But from the very source you quote,: "in Great Britain and many of its former colonies, “judgement” is still the correct spelling"   Birkett is British, so the article about him should be written in British English. Only American topics get written in American English. (International topics are written in whatever version they're started in.) See [[Wikipedia:MOS#Consistency within articles]] DGG (talk) 04:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * sorry, I was mixed up bout who said what, & youdid of course have it right!. DGG (talk) 05:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

re Arbitration Committee/Removal of advanced permissions (proposed)
I have created a Neutral section for those who agree with the premise but not the method, or some other aspect, which may be altered following talkpage discussion. Perhaps you would wish to review your !vote under the changed circumstances? LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:05, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

BAFL Teams Speedy Deletion
I have seen your speedy deletion post for Highland Wildcats. I have contested this. They are a new team in the major UK American Football league, along with 50 odd other senior teams and 50 odd college teams, most of which have Wikipedia pages. I can't see why Inverness should be singled out for deletion, unless you are planning to also delete all of the other team pages and categories, plus league pages, plus Britbowl, plus trophy info. Does this extend to NFL games played in the UK. Maybe the whole NFL? Not sure where the plan on this is going... JamesCollins (talk) 23:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Do not delete Daniel Sadek
He is not only known for his infamous, over 1 million dollar inzo car crash, but for subprime lending with his third grad education. If you don't believe me google him. CNBC just produced a segment on him called House of Cards. His company preyed on consumers who could not afford these mortgages and he's now a billionaire who doesn't pay taxes as well. It was all in the CNBC segments CNBC segment House of Cards

Thank You
For your support in my successful RfA! Cheers. Nja 247 20:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Caricature/portrait of Edward Marshall-Hall
While Leslie Ward (the artist who drew the portrait of Edward Marshall-Hall) is noted as a caricaturist, he is also noted as a portrait artist. I don't see how the picture here meets the following criteria of a caricature: "a portrait that exaggerates or distorts the essence of a person or thing to create an easily identifiable visual likeness, or in literature, a description of a person using exaggeration of some characteristics and oversimplification of others." Ward also noted that his work had moved from caricature to "characteristic portrait", and that caricature "should be a comic impression with a kindly touch" (something seemingly absent in the picture in question). If you still disagree and consider that picture of Marshall-Hall a caricature given those arguments, could you explain your rationale? Emw2012 (talk) 20:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Argentina (again)
Hi

I know that there was a request for mediation in late January and that due to lack of comments etc the case was closed. I have tried to find the original request on the page for the Cabal but could not do so

To have it re-opened does one have to repost or can a request go through you here ?

I only ask as it was you dealing with it and probably you that would have closed the req.

Thanks--Chaosdruid (talk) 01:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I fully agree as stated here Administrators'_noticeboard I fully expected them to sort it out but obv they did not. Cheers for the info--Chaosdruid (talk) 02:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Editing
You've been up all night doing it again! *mutter* -- Narson ~  Talk  • 08:26, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Freak. I'm stuck on my ruddy campus again. It is amazing, they have both heaters going and stupidly high wattage bulbs. I feel like a rotisserie chicken. Also, I'm fairly sure that we blame the Germans for WW1. Seriously, there is some really fun stuff about how they were blatantly planning for war in 1912. -- Narson ~  Talk  • 08:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Yukthivicharam
We simultaneously nominated this for deletion. I removed yours as it was titled 2nd nom. Articles_for_deletion/Yukthivicharam Miami33139 (talk) 03:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Admission to practice law
Yes, the sections for each country are brief, but the topic is also very simple. What else could be included? I see that there is a separate article for the United States. Should there also be a separate one for England and Wales? Zoticogrillo (talk) 23:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, the information is accurate. You can read the citation.  A non-lawyer can practice law without a license.  A lot of information was removed, that's true.  But almost none of it was cited, and most of it was wrong and irrelevant anyways.  If you wish, information could be added from those articles to the current article, however it must be cited. Zoticogrillo (talk) 09:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Juris Doctor intervention
Are you an administrator? Can you please take action on the problem at Juris Doctor? The abusive edits have continued. Zoticogrillo (talk) 09:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Ready for another run?
On your last adminship bid, I abstained leaning toward oppose. However, I've been watching you since then and think that it might be time to start thinking about try at it. You have apparently taken the opposes made during your previous run to heart and have improved a great deal since then. I suggest giving it one more month, but when you are ready, I would be interested in nominating you or co-nominating you for another bid. You are an excellent editor and it could only be a net benefit to give you the mop. Trusilver 16:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer :). I'd be interested in making another run, yes, but before we take it any further I'd appreciate it if you could run my edits through a fine-toothed comb; while RfA is a nicer place than it used to be at the moment it is still not Sparkly Happy Bunny Fun Land Adventures (actually that sounds like an amusement park that runs on LSD, so its probably better that it isn't). I'm sure I'll be fine on the content side of things, but the incivility which came up last time around may still be an issue. I'm not sure if it is, but I'm not really that objective in relation to my own edits. Ironholds (talk) 17:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have been spot checking every few days since your last go around, but I will take a few days and dig as deep as I can to find out if anything will cause problems. AfD has never been Sparkly Happy Bunny Fun Land Adventures, but it seems to be going through a relatively laid back spell. This will take me a few days to go through this and I will get back to you. Trusilver  19:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed; it was scary when a guy with no F/GAs got no opposes on those grounds. The discussion was "RfA is broken!" "No, RfA is fixed". I'm grateful for the offer; I'll prod another guy who offered to nom me and ask if he can check into it as well; four eyes are better than two except in a government inquiry into genetic mutations . Ironholds (talk) 19:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you understand free licenses?
Please do not accuse me of disruption to make a point at RFA, I'm doing no such thing. This image has conditions attatched to it that make it wholly incompatible for use on Wikipedia. RMHED . 20:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean those conditions which allow its use on Wikipedia in the way it is currently being used? It isn't a free use license, no, but the "thou shalt not use it in a derogatory manor and shall provide sourcing information or face smiting" thing is hardly a massive leap for us to make under fair use (especially a link back, which should be contained in sourcing info anyway). Ironholds (talk) 20:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It isn't being used under fair use, nor could it be. A license is either free or it isn't, if restrictions are attatched to its use it isn't a free license. It needs to be released under an acceptable CC license or GFDL license, neither is the case at present. RMHED . 20:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Henry McCardie
--Dravecky (talk) 23:44, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Uckfield
Sorry, just set up twinkle and thought that button did something different. appologies

Talkback
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Archiving my talk page
Yes, I will take you up on your suggestion. What next? Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC) Stan

Discussing Sun Myung Moon
The fact that Sun Myung Moon ends up sitting in the position of "the Faithful abd wise Steward/servant" mentioned in Luke and Matthew; as this is one in which the fulfillment of prophecy should ne noted; as in Gog and Magag being identified as Iraq and Iran. Is there a way to approach this on Wikipedia? Thanks for your input Unicorn144 (talk) 15:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

In trying to add new content I was wondering if there is a place where the fulfilling of prophecy is ever spoken of even in it's thoeretical areas as with those of Muhammed which are written of at such length where free rein and prophetic comments are made right and left Is there a place on the Christian side where this is permitted as it is in the Islamic side?? Unicorn144 (talk) 15:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Cambridge meetup
The second Cambridge meetup is confirmed for this Saturday, 3pm, at CB2 on Norfolk Street: Meetup/Cambridge 2. Hope to see you there. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

VinnieQuine
Hi Ironholds. Remember this? Well, it has been a month, and I was reminded of it when User:Cunard tagged it for speedy and sent it up on my watchlist. Here is the new nomination if you want to look things over. &lowast; \ / (⁂) 10:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Norman Birkett
No problem, pal. As soon as I'm finished with the International Space Station article, I'll be on to yours. I like trimming wordiness, so it should be fun! AikiHawkeye (talk) 17:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Might you be interested...
Thanks for the info, Ironholds. I'm interested in general in meet-ups in Manchester, but unfortunately that date isn't good for me. Espresso Addict (talk) 12:06, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll look forward to it! Espresso Addict (talk) 12:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Copyediting
Alas, no. My slate is full of other things. Finetooth (talk) 14:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Arse feck and damn
Just realised I have to hand some books back in, there goes my plan to sleep in! Instead I'll just play Empire Total War in the uni open space. -- Narson ~  Talk  • 20:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Tomorrow. -- Narson ~  Talk  • 22:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Ironholds, belated post holiday thanks for your support and in my RFA, which passed by an embarrassingly wide margin. There's a full glitzy Oscar style version of my acceptance speech here. Hope to see you Sunday, perhaps we can talk colour schemes as I'm considering your point about bright signatures.  Were Spiel  Chequers  21:44, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

William Murray
I'll give this a more thorough c/e tomorrow (when I've yomped through the James Cagney GAR issues!) and if not tomorrow, Saturday sometime I hope! -- Ged UK  22:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-02/Windows 7 editions

 * As far as I know it is not. --Resplendent (talk) 01:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Claud Schuster, 1st Baron Schuster
--Dravecky (talk) 08:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice article. One point: the article claimed "While at Winchester Schuster became involved in football, playing for the fifteen-a-side team". I've changed this to "While at Winchester Schuster played Winchester College football, representing the fifteen-a-side team", but it still doesn't really make much sense until it is specified which team he represented – Commoners, OTH, or College. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 11:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. In which case perhaps delete the phrase "playing for the fifteen-a-side team". Regards, Ericoides (talk) 13:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I deleted it before I received your message. Still, perhaps for the best! Ericoides (talk) 13:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the Alpine Club offer. Look forward to it. Ericoides (talk) 14:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Copy edit of Norman Birkett complete
Sorry it took me so long, but I finally had some time today. My copy edit of Norman Birkett is complete! Best of luck AikiHawkeye (talk) 15:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Permanent Secretary to the Lord Chancellor's Office
Shubinator (talk) 04:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Albion Nation
I have removed the prod tag from Albion Nation, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! Note: As far as I know, all geographic locations are notable per se, although I'm not completely sure this one is. Admiral Norton (talk) 20:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I've seen much crazier nations like this one, but unfortunately they're referenced by reliable sources. You're welcome to list this at AfD and I'm going to search for reliable sources in the meantime. Admiral Norton (talk) 21:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Lord Chancellor's Department
Shubinator (talk) 00:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Your semi-retirement
I'm sorry to hear about that. Thankyou for your help and support. I understand that you may not feel up to what we discussed, I would understand totally (but naturally, I would appreciate it all the more). I'll be on IRC   Foxy Loxy  Pounce! 03:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I won't be going ahead with it, I'm afraid; not to worry, I'm sure you can find someone tne community respects a bit more who would be willing to help you out. Ironholds (talk) 05:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, sorry to hear about this, though i do understand; WP can eat your time away, and when yuo're developing a career, that's time you don't really have spare. For what it's worth, i think you write perfectly well! I didn't have any comments on the William Murray article you asked me to C/E for you! Hope to still see you around from time to time :) -- Ged UK  07:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll be back at some point I'm sure. Thanks, I guess! I was convinced that article was a lot more slapdash than my other big works. Ironholds (talk) 11:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it was, but that's only an indication of your clear high standards! It's fine :) -- Ged UK  11:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

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Deleted page: Jai Anthony Lewis Husband
This was a page about a real person, notable enough to be on IMDB with credits on even more films and books. Can you help me with some guidance to re-establish the page in an acceptable form? I read the guidelines, but I'm not sure what the minimum requirements really are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5Aug2000 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah -ok, so what about a website which reviews his work, like this set: http://www.theaterreview.com/index.php3?maindata=reviewerdetail&user_id=1339 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5Aug2000 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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IRC Pointer
Sorry, got distracted by work, quite busy atm. What pointer? Skinny87 (talk) 21:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

re caps
I'm sorry if the caps offended you. It wasn't your edit that annoyed me. I have left a number of messages on talk pages and the page of tpbradbury explaining politely, patiently and then with increasing frustration that when there is a long box, if you shift a pic (from left to right) so that it comes under the box, then it causes the heading above it to be orphaned from the text below it. One does get sick of asking the same person repeatedly to use their "show preview" option and to be aware of an ongoing problem caused on a great many pages that they edit, albeit well-meaningly. The particular editor's screen may be more square in shape that most others, so that the problem is not as apparent as on a wide shallow screen where in some cases the gap between the heading and the text in the first section below the intro can be up to six inches deep.

Also on the subject of my CAPs, unfortunately one cannot discretly emphasise a word by using italics when making an edit summary. Sometimes its necessary. I probably should have written "her" or whatever it was, in the other summary.

With regards to the placement of the portrait picture, Wiki manual gives a very broad guide which doesn't cover every circumstance. Wiki manual gives guidance based on the direction of the eyes. However, there is more to composition and placement than simply the direction of the eyes. The position of the body is also an important factor.

Here are two classic examples by Titian. In the case of the portraits in the article on Norman Birkett, the Marshall-Hall is very clearly a left-facing pic and therefore clearly goes right. The Ramsay MacDonald picture does not fit the Wiki manual formula. The whole body is turned left. The head is turned left but the eyes are looking directly at the photgrapher/viewer. This means that although the eyes are turned towards the left side of the sitter's eye socket (viewer's right), the sitter is not looking out the side of the photograph. The sitter is looking straight ahead, as the Mona Lisa is. See pics below. In each of these cases the figure, needs to be placed with their back to the edge of the page, and their face turned inward. To place the figure with their body turned out of the picture is compositionally bad. Try reversing these two guys, and you'll see that it doesn't look good. Cheers! Amandajm (talk) 14:54, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply! I'll see what I can do about the style manual on this point. Amandajm (talk) 22:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Holders Season, Barbados
Hi, fair enough and I take your point. I was just trying to increase the available knowledge on wiki, but I see what you mean that it could read like an ad! I think that it is probably up to someone better acquainted with the season to re-word it. Captainclegg (talk) 16:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC) 

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I'm pleased to support you this time around. Best wishes, and good luck on your RfA. Acalamari 02:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Also note that sometimes people will bait you at RfA. Best of luck. - Dan Dank55 (push to talk) 03:32, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

this
Aaah - missed this message. I should have time tommorrow to have a look through, though the FAC appears fairly well attended. - Peripitus (Talk) 12:23, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Birkett
Hi Iron, images don't have to be alternate. wp:mos "Multiple images in the same article can be staggered right-and-left.", Tom B (talk) 15:05, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh rilly? Guy who did the GA review for one of my other articles was wrong, then. Most confusing. Feel free to switch it back, then, I won't revert you :). Ironholds (talk) 15:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

C-Class
It is great to have someone else who shares my same belief (that we don't need the C-Class), but It seems as if the C-Class issue is about even at the moment. This should all turn out right (but it is always good when it turns out the way you want it :) At the end one side will be forced to bow to the consensus of the WikiProject while the other side shall watch over. (Hopefully it shall be us watching over :) Have A Great Day! Lord R. T. Oliver  The Olive Branch 21:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikimeet
Hi Ironholds re your RFA comment "Essentially I went to a wikimeet and found that almost everyone there was better-spoken than me, more intelligent than me, more qualified than me and so on." Must have been one I missed, don't worry I plan to continue to attend regularly :)  Were Spiel  Chequers  08:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Good Luck
I know we haven't had the best past, but I'm in full support of you becoming a sysop. Good luck and best wishes. N . G . G . 20:46, 18 March 2009 (UTC)(Gears of War)

Murray
I'm no expert on that century. However I think the paragraph about the regency needs a revisit - Butcher Cumberland would have been 30 then and not a child and if Frederick was dead he could scarcely become heir. I suspect the intent was to bypass him and appoint the future George III as heir - one of his names being Frederick. That would fit in with our articles on G II and III. Would you mind rereading your sources for that bit?  Were Spiel  Chequers  16:36, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

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RE: RFA
Hello. I think the main concern is probably pointed out in the comments section, but the wording concerns me too. I personally think that adminship - especially nowadays - should really be given to users without the doubts, or the concerns, so it's hard for me to not oppose. There's something in the answers that makes me think that you aren't completely suited, and the points raised by others in opposition seem to confirm my thoughts. Esteffect (talk) 18:10, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I accidentally reverted
I was putting it back to the original layout so we could talk about it. Can I please put the page back to what it originally was. I was trying not to have an edit war by having a disussion but before an edit can be made that is controversial it shouldn't be changed at any time. Chubb enna  itor  08:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They need to be reverted back to the 'blank sheet' of paper. Narson was adding some brackets we didn't need, I've offered a different way round of what he wants to do but he's still reverting back to his new edit. I'm not a person to get blocked as the only things I've done wrong were misunderstandings and the want to do the right thing. Chubb  enna  itor  08:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The first two I did. I contacted him after the first revert but he carried on. The latest one was by accident. I've tried to resolve it with my last edit there as Narson wasn't replying. Why haven't you contacted him? He told me it was for emphasis which should be should be shown with bold. I put it back to the original. Chubb  enna  itor  17:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * YOU ARE TREATING ME WITH NO RESPECT. I remember very clearly contacting for a second time after the third edit to apologise for not undoing instead. Why is he not being told about this. He told me that he was using it for something like emphasis. If he isn't then I don't understand why he uses the brackets. I tried to reason with what he wanted in my last edit. HE started this why is he ignored!!!!! Why am I being ignored, read my comments!!!!! You are people who forced me out of WP before. I haven't done anything wrong. I don't wan to lie, why would I, I've never lied in my life. You've assumed I'm a bad man and you wan to ruin my life. Treat me with respect and I'll withdraw those comments. Chubb  enna  itor  18:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You've picked a bad time to have a go. I've had a happy week and all I've had was tell off here and etc. What I believe on what the use for brackets should be elsewhere and it should be bold. It makes it look confusing, even more confusing than the statement. I remember reading certain things. What do you think he said? WP is not my lfe and if you carry on the previous comments are permanent. Chubb  enna  itor  18:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Narson also believes that everyone is 30 and reads essays. everything he writes confuses anyones brain who's under 20 or not so bright. Chubb  enna  itor  18:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem to make sense though. No-one who understands the use of the brackets will fnd it confusing as most will encounter them as something elsewhere. Chubb  enna  itor  18:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Treat me with respect then. I used a bad example but what do you gain from lying which you obviously see me as wanting to get away with. I guard that article like a guardian angel and anything I don't understand I query. I almost left WP because of people like you constantly going on and on ignoring my statements whenever I made a human mistake. Why is anything I say slightly forcefully seen as a personal attack, it's an excuse to stop yourself being told what people really think of you (not you personally). Chubb  enna  itor  20:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * They are all misunderstandings and after my slips of not writing enough you've got the wrong thing. Me, a GCSE A level average, did not make things up and my brain can't comprehend to why people lie or why they do certain things like chewing gum while in a classroom. I remember doing certain things and obviously I was wrong. If you want the reasons for all of them tell me. Narson's starting to get worried about me because of what you are doing to me. You believe you are better and in one of your examples I never said he said that. Chubb  enna  itor  21:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Look at WT:F1. I'm not putting words in anyones mouths. that is the personality you have shown me and it s someone who has first views not someone who has common sense. I've never been blocked so that means I'm trustworthy. I've had one detention in my whole life and I can go on but I'm insulted by your attitude. I thought we were getting somewhere earlier. Chubb  enna  itor  21:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * With respect, it isn't what Ironholds is doing, it is the import you place on what Ironholds is doing that concerns me. Believe me when I say that as you get older, things like wikipedia become less and less important as you gain more of a perspective. It isn't a bad thing to be passionate about it, it is a bad thing to be passionate to the point where it affects your RL mental state. -- Narson ~  Talk  • 21:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC) (ec)
 * You don't need to have said everything I say that you are. Chubb  enna  itor  21:17, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Ironholds, the discussion where the dispute is taking place is here: Wikipedia_talk:F1 D.M.N. (talk) 21:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:Manchester 5
Sadly, that date's no good for me. Thanks for the notice- it was appreciated. J Milburn (talk) 11:49, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Verne E. Rupright

 * Hello Ironholds. I saw your comments at Articles for deletion/Dianne M. Keller (2nd nomination) and Articles for deletion/List of mayors of Wasilla, Alaska and wanted you to know that I contacted the closing admin of the above Afd. I have multiple reliable sources that verify the mayor's notability from; Yale Daily News, KTUU-TV, Anchorage Daily News, The Boston Globe, and others as proof. I am not sure if this should go to deletion review, but I have asked that it be userfied. I would appreciate any comments or advice you have. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 19:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==== Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at. Thank you. Ipatrol (talk) 21:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)