User talk:Ironholds/archive21

Hello Ironholds, about CouponSmarter
Hello Ironholds, I noticed that you requested speedy deletion of the page I created. I want to contact you to let you know more about my page. I'm very familiar with the online coupons industry and have been working in this area for about 6 years. The page I just created was trying to tell more people to know how to use online coupons. Could you have a reconsideration of my page? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharoncollinsr (talk • contribs) 12:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Ref for the Royal Society officers
Here you go http://royalsociety.org/Officers/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by PointOfPresence (talk • contribs) 23:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Bear with me Ironholds, I am qualified to edit Royal Society, but my technical editing skills are still somewhat limited! PointOfPresence (talk) 23:51, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for that. I am a department head at the Royal Society and try to keep an eye on it, but your help is much appreciated.PointOfPresence (talk) 23:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Wikimediation
Hello Ironholds, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Wikimediation - a page you tagged - because: Founded by a notable body. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. decltype (talk) 09:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, again!
Hello Ironholds (again). Sorry to disturb, but I still need to know how to quote a book! The book is called "Northern Italy" by insight quides, and it is on page 220. I'm starting a new page called Italian design, so I need your help. When you see this link go blue, please contact me and help me out!--Theologiae (talk) 14:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Prod removed on Katie K
Hi there. You prodded this article, and an IP removed the prod. The ip was reverted by another user, whom I in turn reverted since anyone can remove a prod. Take care, Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  14:25, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

SoWhy RfB
You opposed partly due to a subjective and policy-ignorant keep argument here,. Can you elaborate? Specifically, you are referring to which policy? I didn't see the problem, so using this as a chance to learn.-- SPhilbrick  T  17:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The "subjective" element is that most references can only verify the names exist - not that they're rare. Where they can verify the second, it's only that "X thinks the name is rare". SoWhy completely failed to consider WP:NOT, and arguably WP:BLP would come into it, since such a list exposes otherwise private individuals to ridicule based on the fact that a PR pundit/newswriter/other biased source considers their name "odd". Ironholds (talk) 17:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. I'm at a bit of a disadvantage, not being able to see the article, but more than one person expressed the view that inclusion in the list would be a negative. That surprised me, as I don't consider "unusual" to be consonant with "negative'; if anything slightly positive, but again, maybe the article itself would give me a different impression. No need to respond, I'm just thinking out loud, trying to make sense of a disagreement between two Wikipedians I hold in high esteem.-- SPhilbrick  T  18:06, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, thank you. I can't see it either (not being an admin) but I recall the AfD quite well. Ironholds (talk) 18:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

The Efficiency Expert
Hi Ironholds. Thanks for the suggestions re The Efficiency Expert (novel). You are quite right in that the Analysis section was inappropriate. I would be delighted to reference per your suggestion but would appreciate some guidance as to how I might correctly do that - the article is based on my reading of the Gutenberg efile of the novel. TRN王子 (talk) 02:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Bolton Transfers
Hi, I've put a good reference on the page, getting references is easy its just getting them to work is the problem. I've put one in, but its not working properly. Could you please check it out so the reference is sorted out. Thanks Quiggers1P (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, I've added all the references for everything on there for the moment, is this page okay now or does more have to be done? Thanks Quiggers1P (talk) 11:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

P2P Universal Computing Consortium
Hi there. I just declined the speedy on this. I couldn't see the copyvio. Let me know if I've missed it, and I'll review. Cheers, and Happy New Year :) Ged  UK  14:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * replied on my talk page Ged  UK  14:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

My RfA
Hello Ironholds, and thanks for your vote of confidence at my RfA.

I noticed that you opposed SoWhy's RfB per his involvement in WP:NEWT, and in light of that you might want to read the note I just left on my RfA; perhaps it will make you reconsider your !vote for me. I just wouldn't feel entirely honest accepting your support without making you aware of all the facts.

Cheers, and happy editing, Olaf Davis (talk) 17:29, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. Note that his NEWT involvement was not the only problem I had. NEWT is a small blight on your record, and you're running for a "lower" userright. NEWT is a small blight on his record, accompanied by several others, and he's running for a more important right (there's a reason RfB passrates are set at 90 percent). If I was going to review my votes, they'd remain the same - your honesty compared to his squirming and verbal semantics shows I made the right choice in both situations. Ironholds (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello, just a q.
Hi Ironholds. Can I ask a question. When one is quoting a book, can they quote substantial bits of information, however re-wording the work. I.e. just writing about more or less the same info but changing the context and the wording patterns. Ciao, and please answer--Theologiae (talk) 17:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * No, no, I'm sorry, I meant a reference. Quote is the wrong word, replace it with reference. Can you reference a large part of a book, but changing the format and text, but keeping more or less the same info?--Theologiae (talk) 18:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Just a thing. I'm trying to insert an infobox in a page, but something strange happens. Can you help? Look at the http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Italian_Baroque_interior_design&diff=336450532&oldid=336432728 page...--Theologiae (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

New article backlog work
Wanted to express my heartfelt appreciation for your work in clearing the new article review backlog. It has a special kind of worth to me. Well done! LilHelpa (talk) 13:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem! Well, it was, but... :P. Ironholds (talk) 13:23, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

AfD
I think that you might be interested in Articles for deletion/Really Old, Like Forty Five because you prodded it earlier. Joe Chill (talk) 03:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

References for List of unofficial observances by date
Hi Ironholds,

All the facts in this list come from the articles themselves; that's where the references should go IMHO. If you agree, you can remove the unreferenced tag, otherwise please discuss on talk:List of unofficial observances by date and drop me a note on my talk page. --Slashme (talk) 16:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, got your message - let's discuss further on the list talk page. --Slashme (talk) 17:20, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Poke as requested :-] Reliable_sources/Noticeboard --Slashme (talk) 09:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, are you OK with removing the tag from the article after the RS/N discussion? --Slashme (talk) 14:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, feel free to :). Ironholds (talk) 14:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Ironholds,

I would be happy to do a a review or two, but, I do have exams for the next few weeks so shall not be on Wikipedia too much. List me the article you have done and I'll see what I can do. I tend to edit on public law, EU articles and privacy related stuff such as Max Mosley v News Group Newspapers Limited. Black letter contract is not my area! Francium12 02:13, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Still?
Just checking to see if you still stand by this nomination. Dreadstar ☥  06:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Withdrawal doesn't work if there are delete votes, so it's irrelevant. Ironholds (talk) 09:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Peerage articles
Hi Ironholds. A number of anonymous IP-addresses have been causing havoc among peerage articles for the last week. See 125.166.172.253, 222.124.122.32, 125.163.21.201, 125.163.23.125, 110.136.151.69, 110.136.137.241 and User:Towsuw. What he has done is wikilinking peers that were previously unlinked as well as using  in a strange way. Hopefully you can help me stop him by having him blocked. I have a suspicion our old friend User:Max Mux has been getting hold of a few computers at the local library. Tryde (talk) 19:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you help me report this at WP:ANI? Tryde (talk) 11:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Would you have time...
...to compare some text to the ODNB for me? The articles in question are Henry Curtis-Bennett and George Cockburn (British Army officer), and it seems that the contributor may have cut it close with a good many articles. I won't be asking you to check them all. :D I just need to find somebody who can verify the concerns raised by the contributor who detected similarity (looking for very close paraphrasing, not duplication). If this isn't a good time, please let me know, and I'll track down somebody else. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Tremendously. Thank you again. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Gemmaux
Hi- I was thinking of adding mergeto to Gemmaux. In that case, should I replace your notability tag? See here: Talk:Gemmaux. Also, do you know of a simple way to send the same message to multiple users? Eric talk 17:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're merging, feel free to remove the tag; that is, if there's consensus for a merge. Nobody seems opposed so far; personally I'd just WP:BOLDly merge where no man has merged before. Regards, Ironholds (talk) 17:18, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Roger, Starfleet. Thanks. Eric talk 17:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Britannica
Hi Ironholds. I was wondering, you know how it says in Wikipedia to not copy from copyright websites and only public domain ones. I was wondering if Encyclopedia Britannica online would be considered copyright or public domain? Please reply--Theologiae (talk) 08:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It's copyright. Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition is public domain and there is a template for use accordingly - 1911. – ukexpat (talk) 21:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The EB online is a "tertiary source" so the issue is not one of copyright, but one that it is not regarded as RS for articles. As a note, anyone may suggest changes to it, so it is not entirely different from a moderated Wiki .   While WP started with using the old EB, such use is now frowned upon.  (hope this is OK) Collect (talk) 21:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Does a tertiary nature prevent copyright? The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, for example, is copyrighted. I assumed with my answer on Theologiae's talkpage that he meant the paper version, but good point. And yes, the 1911 edition should be avoided wherever possible. There are some articles based on it, but where I've encountered them, I try and rewrite using decent sources. Ironholds (talk) 22:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The question posited was of copying material for a WP article - clearly if the material fails RS, the issue of copyright is not the governing one for WP .  Yes, for a RS, the issue of proper use of copyrighted material is relevant, but those guidelines primarily govern use of a "fair use" claim (short quotes).  In general (and in the current news in GB) is the issue of copyright generally on the Internet,  and a proposal to allow the government to make ad hoc rules about it, .  Collect (talk) 23:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Pictures
I'm a bit confused with the picture thing. I Wikimedia Commons, when you go on this page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Torre_Velasca_(Milan), it says that the images in here are copyright, but when you click on one of the pics, it says that the user allows public distribution of them on wikipedia. So I don't understand whether I can insert a pic onto wiki or not. Reply please--Theologiae (talk) 19:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Temples et al.
Hi, no I'm not a barrister, just someone interested in the more unusual legal/geographical aspects of England and especially the City of London! David (talk) 18:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * What have you in mind? Often in legislation they are mentioned specifically (for example legislation may say that something applies to "the London boroughs, the City of London, and the Inner Temple and Middle Temple")... or did you mean how they have managed to survive as independent liberties to the present day? The latter may have something to do with them both being Inns of Court (and therefore the source of lawyers and law-makers!) and being within the City of London, which itself manages to be special in local government. David (talk) 18:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I know, it's marvellous isn't it! :D David (talk) 18:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the invite - I live quite a long way from London, though I try to visit once every 2/3 months or so, often with a mate who also loves the City. (We're trying to get round all the pubs in the square mile, but there are a surprisingly large quantity of them!) I'm actually currently drawing up a map showing the Temples in great detail, with the exact extra-parochial boundary (and City boundary) and which building belongs to which Inn. Not sure when I'll get round to completing it though. David (talk) 19:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks - my knowledge of Lincoln's Inn and Gray's Inn is very limited... I just about know where they're located! (Not in the City you see.. ;) ) So the map I'm doing will be just the Temple area. It is nice that members of the public are allowed to wander around the Temples on weekdays; beautiful part of the City, though if I were in charge at the Inner Temple I'd get rid of that sea of car parking! I have a friend studying law who is applying to join Middle Temple, so he may come in handy one day! ;) David (talk) 19:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

ANI
Please check the most recent one as I have responded. Thanks. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Many thanks for stepping in at Talk:Dido and Aeneas/GA1, providing detailed review comments, and refocusing editors' attention on the article and the GA criteria, while also providing support and advice for an inexperienced reviewer. I had been following the discussion myself, which was in danger of going in an unhelpful direction. Thanks to your contribution, it looks like the article will be well-served, and other editors will benefit by learning more about verifiability, secondary sources, good prose and the like. Geometry guy 20:01, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: GAN
Hey. My plan was to get to that after I finished Rhodes. Now that I finally finished with that one, I'll review yours sometime today. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 20:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Nobel Prize
Hello! I am currently working on the "Swedish Project" and "Award and Prizes"'s article Nobel Prize. Since it is a top importance article and not even GA class I am trying to make it a GA article and perhaps further after that. However, I'm in a state now where I could use some help. I need a new pair (several pairs in fact) of eyes to look at the article and the talk page for improving prose, debation of different things and some sourcing. Do you got any possibility to help out? BR --Esuzu 12:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esuzu (talk • contribs)

Quoting
I was wondering Iroholds, if you have to quote a source, i.e. using the exact same words, can you copy and paste from it, even if it is copyright? Reply--Theologiae (talk) 16:16, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

MaxMux
Hi Ironholds. Thanks for bringing this up at WP:ANI a couple of days ago. I couldn't find the discussion in the archives so I wonder if any action was taken. None of the IP-adresses or Tuwsuw have been blocked as far as I can see. Tryde (talk) 13:08, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * A late reply here. I actually don't know how to open an SPI. I have now spent many days reverting MaxMux's edits. This must be a very odd or very disturbed person as he's willing to spend hours and hours redlinking British peers (I think we're dealing with a young child or someone in early adolescence). Normally vandalising involves the odd vaguely funny or obscene comment, but this is something else. (I am of course also an idiot for spending so much time reverting his edits!) Unfortunately Wikipedia is too vulnerable to vandalism and except you nobody seems bothered about MaxMux's edits. I will try to revert as many of his edits as I can find, but there is of course no guarantee that MaxMux can't find another computer somewhere and spend a few days reverting my edits. I am growing more and more tired of Wikipedia and will probably retire permanently soon. Tryde (talk) 15:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, no need to get despondent. I'll see if I can get a simple WP:DUCK block. Ironholds (talk) 09:41, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. I see that User:Towsuw has been blocked. But what about all the IP-addresses. I have found at least 24 IP-addresses that he's been using (all beginning with 110, 118, 125 or 222)? And what is a CU, anyway!? Tryde (talk) 09:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have now reverted most of Max's recent edits. I have also decided to retire permanently from Wikipedia in order to focus on other things. Thanks for all your help and goodbye! Tryde (talk) 14:49, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Community de-Adminship - finalization poll for the CDA proposal
After tolling up the votes in the revision proposals, it emerged that 5.4 had the most support, but elements of that support remained unclear, and various comments throughout the polls needed consideration.

A finalisation poll (intended, if possible, to be one last poll before finalising the CDA proposal) has been run to;


 * gather opinion on the 'consensus margin' (what percentages, if any, have the most support) and


 * ascertain whether there is support for a 'two-phase' poll at the eventual RfC (not far off now), where CDA will finally be put to the community. Matt Lewis (talk) 01:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the review
Thanks very much for your GA review of Manchester Martyrs, and of course thanks for passing it. --Malleus Fatuorum 12:37, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Milan first pic
Hi Ironholds. I was just wondering one thing? In the article Milan, I was wondering whether the first picture should be changed. The current one shows the Piazza as being beautiful, but is small and only shows the Piazza Duomo. I was thinking if this was better as a fist pic? Any suggestions? Reply and tell me your thoughts--Theologiae (talk) 18:58, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't understand exactly what you mean by a "problem". Are you saying it's a copyright violating picture, or that it just looks messy? Reply--Theologiae (talk) 19:58, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Privity in English law
Hi there - thanks for the note. I've struck off all my comments under (1) as being done, just a few more under (2) to go.

I'm Australian and I'd be happy to help with a global privity article. If I recall correctly, privity here largely follows English common law with minor statutory exceptions. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I've struck through all of the criteron (1) comments as those amendments have been done but I can't see any for criterion (2). Happy to discuss if you don't think they should be though. Cheers --Mkativerata (talk) 19:04, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Re Talk:Dido and Aeneas/GA1
See the new section with my update and a suggestion. All the best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

English Legal History
Thanks for your amazing series of new articles on English legal history. Really filling a significant gap on Wikipedia! --71.111.194.50 (talk) 13:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

GA Review request
Ironholds, thanks for your Good Article review of the Andrew Sledd biography. Your insightful comments and suggestions were very helpful in getting the article to its new GA status. There is now a pending GA request for the John J. Tigert bio, which is a topic related to the Sledd article. Would you consider reviewing the Tigert article? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Chipotle
I'm not sure it's the best idea to plan a lunch five hours before the dinner considering people generally sit for at least a couple hours. In fact, I don't think it's a good idea to offer two meetings in one day at all, as it might split those who can attend, causing both meetings to be low in numbers. Also, as your ride, I'm not fond of the idea of having my entire afternoon and evening spent out. I had planned to make one of them, then went for probably two. Three is sort of out of the question. I'm sorry. Lara 15:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikiout
Wuh Wuz  Dat  03:45, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Political candidates
Hi there. I noticed you participated in the Articles for Deletion discussion for Graham Jones (politician). I have started a discussion regarding a consensus position for candidates in legislative elections (by way of amending WP:POLITICIAN, in case you are interested in putting forward your views there. --Mkativerata (talk) 01:54, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Scutage
I'd certainly be glad to read it over, etc, but I'm really not up for another tax/financial article any time soon. Carucage was quite enough for a bit, thanks! Ealdgyth - Talk 20:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha, fair enough! I'll be working on it this evening; I'm actually writing an article on something up your end of the woods at the moment (the Gascon Rolls). On a related note, any help you could give with my recent articles (Red Book of the Exchequer, Dialogus de Scaccario and Exchequer of Ireland) would be appreciated. The latter is GA-able with some more sourcing, but I've had no luck so far. I'll be working on Scutage over the next few days, as will Peter, so give me a poke if you get un-burnt-out, or if you'd like a link to the sandbox so you can inspect. Many thanks, Ironholds (talk) 20:51, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Paul Ryan (agent)
Hello, a short while ago you redirected my article on Paul Ryan (agent) to the main Cradle of filth page citing that it doesn't pass WP:MUSIC, but i believe that it does, as he has had multiple albums released on a notable record label (Peaceville Records & Cacophonous Records) and been in multiple band that feature other notable musicians (Cradle of Filth & The Blood Divine).

I would be grateful if you would please be willing to undo your redirection of the article.

Thank your for your time.

Joshington smithe (talk) 20:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Conscience
Thanks very much for your timely and valuable comments on the GA nomination of conscience. I hope to attend to those comments soon. You said the article was 134kb but once the readable prose is calculated by wikipedia criteria (as was done independtly by the editor Quibik (see article discussion page) the size is 75kb. Thanks again.NimbusWeb (talk) 00:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've now had an initial go at responding to your GA critique. Details are set out in the GA discussion page.NimbusWeb (talk) 02:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Mate, thanks for getting this baby up as a GA. I've left a note thanking all contributors on the discussion page.NimbusWeb (talk) 23:34, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikisource
I was wondering whether you are allowed to copy and paste chunks of text from wikiscource articles? Please reply--Theologiae (talk) 12:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Can wikitravel be copypasted?
I was wondering, can info from wikitravel be copy-pasted? Reply--Theologiae (talk) 19:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)