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Re: Madison Pixler
I'm sorry, I think I meant to tag it with A7 but got distracted. Trythisonyourpiano (talk) 06:10, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Nice deletion!
I've not been round here long, so by the time I'd found the right way to get the Relationship Counselling page considered for deletion, it had already gone. Nice one! Escapepea (talk) 23:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Cryptococcus fagisuga
Thank you for your kind words on my talk page. I am enjoying creating articles on flora and fauna not already covered in Wikipedia.

What does the "autopatrolled" user right mean? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrolled status
Thank you for your nice gesture, I'm not sure i deserve it. Eli +  14:18, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Fuelly, speedy deletion
Hi, you recently speedy-deleted the article Fuelly which I had very recently created to describe a website that is used to track automobile fuel efficiency. I believe that I had already noted the importance of the subject (WP:CSD), and included a reference to an article in a major publication (Slate magazine) that discussed this site, and was planning to add more. I'd like to get this article restored so that I can add more pertinent information to establish notability. Thanks. Moxfyre (ǝɹʎℲxoɯ | contrib) 17:01, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * a two-line bit-mention in a notable publication is not, imo, significance; I can userfy it, if that would help? Ironholds (talk) 17:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * That's fair enough. Please userfy it, and I'll work on getting better citations.  (I've seen a few in publications in the Pacific NW.)  Thank you!  Moxfyre (ǝɹʎℲxoɯ | contrib) 22:13, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Now at User:Moxfyre/Fuelly; sorry it took me so long (editing from a laptop. The lack of a mouse always slows me down). I can trawl lexisnexis for sources if you want on say, Monday. Ironholds (talk) 18:55, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but... arggh! The userspace article already got speed-deleted itself :(  Is there any way to stop admins from doing that? Moxfyre (ǝɹʎℲxoɯ | contrib) 23:39, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Now restored; looks like I forgot to remove the speedy tag. Fail. Ironholds (talk) 23:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

John Doan
John Doan is a friend of mine and world acclaimed harp guitarist. He is mentioned in numerous articles on Wikipedia and yet has no article himself. Why? Well, it seems that someone keeps deleting it.

Please let me know how the wording or phrasing should be in order to recognize this world class artist and professor of music at Willamette University. He has single handedly revived the interest and popularity of the harp guitar around the world, making more than 16 albums and numerous DVDs, including award winning documentaries and specials on the history of harp guitars and musical instruments beyond 6 stings. He is a composer as well as professor and performer. He works with museums around the world to preserve string instruments, too.

Here are a few citations listing him on Wikipedia: Harp guitar, Windham Hill Records, John Fahey and_Friends %E2%80%93 Friends of Fahey Tribute, Muriel Anderson (we're trying to add citation here as they just did a duet album together).

The article that continues to be deleted is preserved here User:RichLindvall.

Please guide me on how to include John Doan on Wikipedia so we can preserve his record, especially to credit his long-time scholarly research and recovery of the works of Fernando Sor, considered the father of the modern classical guitar. He recently recorded Sor's work for Tapestry Records, called "The Lost Music Of Fernando Sor," played on a 21 string harpolyre, believed to either have been made by Sor or by one of his students in the early 1800s. It has received recognition as one of the finest collections of Sor's work and his next album in progress right now is dedicated to Sor, original compositions based upon the work of Sor. John is working on writing up his research to add to Sor's Wikipedia page and possibly a text book on his musical compositions and studies.

These contributions and more make him worth of inclusion. I could go on justifying, but I'm embarrassed that I have to do even this much. Even Andy Mckee is listed on Wikipedia, and someone inspired by the work of John Doan, so I'm not understanding...please let me know how we can rectify this. Thank you.

Lorellev (talk) 18:17, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Basically, Lorelle, what the article needs is other people publishing the assertions you make above. Looking at Google, I see a lot of potential references -- dig through the News and Books hits to find independent sources talking about him.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I do not work for John. I'm an expert in MediaWiki and online publishing so they contacted me in a panic when a fan was unable to add the page. I'll explain that they need the content rewritten with more independent sources and links. Thank you. Lorellev (talk) 20:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, the previous version was deleted for being a copyright violation of Doan's website. Either it must be rewritten, or Doan should follow WP:Donating copyrighted materials. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:24, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Autopatrolled candidates
Hey, I think it was you who mentioned something at the meetup about a list of people eligible for autopatrolled. Well we have a list of about 2000 starting here if you want to help out! Just check their recent creations, block log and make sure they haven't had it revoked recently. Have fun! ;) HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   07:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Why delete my new page
Really made me feel good. SilverSoul91911 (talk) 22:23, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey! Hey you!
Help me! All Hail The Muffin Nor does it taste nice... 03:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The Ironholds is not delicious, but he is all-powerful. To the rescue! Ironholds (talk) 03:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Citations needed for Reichskommissariat Turkestan
Hello Ironholds,

You recently added a refimprove tag to Reichskommissariat Turkestan. Could you identify on the page which statements you think need citations?

Thanks in advance, --Morgan Hauser (talk) 13:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program is looking for new Online Ambassadors
Hi! Since you've been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, I wanted to let you know about the Wikipedia Ambassador Program, and specifically the role of Online Ambassador. We're looking for friendly Wikipedians who are good at reviewing articles and giving feedback to serve as mentors for students who are assigned to write for Wikipedia in their classes.

If that sounds like you and you're interested, I encourage you to take a look at the Online Ambassador guidelines; the "mentorship process" describes roughly what will be expected of mentors during the current term, which started in January and goes through early May. If that's something you want to do, please apply!

You can find instructions for applying at WP:ONLINE. The main things we're looking for in Online Ambassadors are friendliness, regular activity (since mentorship is a commitment that spans several months), and the ability to give detailed, substantive feedback on articles (both short new articles, and longer, more mature ones).

I hope to hear from you soon.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 01:45, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, me representing the WMF has always gone well in the past. :p Ironholds (talk) 06:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hehe. Ambassadors don't represent WMF; they represent the community, in a similar but slightly  higher-profile way than someone who interacts with newcomers in typical ways.  I think you'd make a good mentor.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 14:50, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Youd be great at this, iron. Protonk (talk) 15:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look when I have a free moment. I would point out that my rather controversial habits (preferring articles to be footnoted fully, cutting at backlogs, closing AfDs with a ratio decidendi rather than a rationed decidendi) may rub off on them. I apologise if they learn any practises from me that go against the grain. Ironholds (talk) 19:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't want to browbeat you, but my suspicion is those are somewhat inside baseball concerns which won't really bother new users or campus ambassadors. :) Protonk (talk) 19:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Why the article The Corre (professional wrestling) was deleted?
and I can't see it merge up to Nexus (professional wrestling) anyway. can you bring it back? Romangelo (talk) 10:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * As the nominator for the deletion of the article, I am afraid that you deleted the article per lack of immediate sources instead of my valid reason which was the article's lack of notable content. Reliable sources could easily be found for everything on that article and I could have done it myself if not for my desire to delete it. Speculation of future notability was the real issue here, not existence of reliable sources. I understand that the article was rightfully deleted, but I would have preferred if the reasons were much more appropriate. Feed  back  ☎ 13:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Your nomination reason is irrelevant; the consensus of those whose comments were actually valid was to merge that verifiable information. Such information didn't exist. Ironholds (talk) 13:54, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Staying somewhat on-topic, I saw your comment directed at me ("Antonashi") in the AfD result consensus. At no point did I say that WP:CRYSTAL only applied to those voting to delete the article. I said that there's no point in having someone cite Crystal as a Delete reason and, in the same breath, violate the policy by saying such things as "the group MIGHT split up." I never said that any of the Keep votes didn't violate Crystal and I was trying my best to stay as neutral on the matter as possible. Regardless, what's done is done and hopefully in the future more notability and sources will emerge as well as the article itself. ☆ Antoshi ☆ T 15:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry; my reasoning was rather badly phrased there. What I meant was that you were "voting", complaining about the invalidity of arguments used by the opposition, and then failing to provide a valid argument yourself. Ironholds (talk) 19:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well my argument was that the group of men have a tendency to stay true to a group they believe in and so I did not see a reason for them to split up and thereby make the article's entire being pointless. Although that was mostly in response to those comments in question, I argued that the notability of the Nexus members were the reason to keep the article. I also stated that, despite the same situation playing out with The Nexus article (created almost immediately after the group's name being announced, limited sources and an AfD), The Nexus article was kept and I believed the same thing should have happened with The Corre. ☆ Antoshi ☆ T 22:38, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * In order of which we have WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, WP:INHERITED and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. My opinion that your comment is a non-argument remains. Ironholds (talk) 05:20, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiMath 101: 14 < 3. Tom Danson (talk) 19:19, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:VOTE, WP:DEMOCRACY. Feed  back  ☎ 05:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Err, yes. Did you actually read what I wrote? Ironholds (talk) 19:21, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Jpullokaran
Hi. :) User:Jpullokaran is on my watchlist because of his multiple copyright violation blocks (followed by a couple of block evasion blocks). His recurrent copyright problems are only two and three months old at this point and were followed by block evasion through the month of December. A glance at one of his creations since, here, shows it is an unattributed split from Economy of Thrissur (some of the content he may have added, but it definitely predates him). I'm not really sure that this person is compliant enough with our policies yet to fly solo. Would you reconsider? (Meanwhile, I'd better go address the unattributed copying.) --Moonriddengirl (talk)
 * Oh, no, it doesn't definitely predate him. I need to check to see if all the content was his. Meanwhile, a mechanical scan hits on similarities to this 2006 article. Feh. Now I've got to check those articles. There's always more copyright work around the corner. :P --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:10, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh! I'll remove it for the time being (sorry I didn't spot this) and then search for my training wheels. For future reference, I'm always up for shepherding recovering copyvio-holics into safety (Berne Convention Violators anonymous, maybe?) so let me know if you find anybody you'd like helping. Regards, Ironholds (talk) 15:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) He may have gotten the point from the last copyright block, although the block evasion is concerning. But I think it's a good idea to give it a bit of time to make sure. I'm still digging at those articles trying to find sources. It can be so frustrating separating out reverse infringement from our copying. :P Topics related to India are among those where content is liberally borrowed in a way that seems culturally normal, but, alas, not consistent with our copyright policies or US law. We occasionally do get serial infringers who might do well with mentorship. Is that something you'd be up for? The last one we had (User:Logger9) turned out to be problematic for other reasons as well, so I stopped pursuing it. He was evidently on the verge of a ban even prior to his copyright issues. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:29, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That's something I'd be up for, yup; the few mentees I've had, however, have almost all been banned ;p. That was quite some time ago, though - at least a year. Let me know if you encounter anyone you think needs overwatch, and feel free to ping me if you see an ANI thread or similar and would like to weigh in with a mentorship alternative to a ban/block. Ironholds (talk) 18:51, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

In appreciation of your help with the Autopatrol lists
Raven rs (talk) 20:27, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Why delete the article about High Priest of Ptah, Nebpu
I made the article about Nebpu who was high priest of ptah at Memphis. He was a missing link between two other articles. Of course we do not now much about these people except some geneologies and inscriptions on funerary steles... but that is hardly enough to delete a historic figure out of wikipedia? One reason why the Second Intermediate Period in Ancient Egypt is so obscure is because information like this is easily missed. The article about Nebpu was linked with other articles to place him in a bigger context. Now the reason why there was two nebpu who most likly where one and the same person, is because they are attested in different settings.

If you need to delete Nebpu you need to delete all articles concerning high priests of ptah.

RP FA
Wasn't it our intention to get Royal Prerogative in the United Kingdom up to FA once we'd achieved GA? Runs away fast before having to hear vicious shouts of "UCTA first!". AGK  [&bull; ] 22:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think so, but I've exhausted my sources. And yes, UCTA first plz? Or, alternately, a GA and then FA on Parliamentary Sovereignty in the United Kingdom! I have a shitton of sources around - the whole "dissertation" thing. Ironholds (talk) 22:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "The string of content citations found above may look impressive, but are unlikely to be added to for some time; a dissertation and associated modules prevent all but the easiest of edits." You're in the same position as me, and yet you seem awfully confident at being able to spew up an UCTA GA :D. I can dig up sources at any point; the problem for me is finding time to use them. AGK  [&bull; ] 22:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ditto. Tell you what; by June-ish, I'll have my dissertation out of the way (and maybe published!) and be back at home with my stock of contract law textbooks. We'll work summat out then? Ironholds (talk) 22:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Also why delete the article about High Priest of Ptah, Nebpu? AGK  [&bull; ] 22:38, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * slaps* Ironholds (talk) 22:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Renewable energy in Russia
Thank you so much. Renewable energy in Russia is the article. --Slon02 (talk) 01:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

about closing AFD on catholic churches in Connecticut
I notice this note that you are closing the AFD in progress. I am a bit alarmed, because I think there is productive discussion going on. I recently gave an expanded notice at WikiProject Catholicism that is bringing other commenters. Also the creator of many articles, Lukascb, just commented and received a long reply from Orlady. I myself intended to comment about more of the specific exceptions that have been suggested. And i was meaning to propose and/or start work on a list-article for churches in the Bridgeport diocese that could receive material from many of the new stub articles. In your close, you might want to consider the possibility of material being moved to diocese articles or new corresponding church/parish list-articles, although that has not yet really been discussed in the AFD.

I don't want to pre-judge what you might be doing in a close, but I am a bit worried that you might be stopping a productive discussion in progress. It would depend on how you might be intending to proceed, about whether your stepping in to close now is obviously helpful or not. Hope you don't mind my commenting this way. As is clear in the AFD, i am the nominator of the AFD. There have been other related discussions at User talk:Smallbones and elsewhere. -- do ncr  am  02:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, that's fine; wait for my formal close (it's going to be a very, very long statement). Ironholds (talk) 02:06, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, sorry. It was a minor change, yet you are right. History2007 (talk) 02:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, thank you for your detailed response and analysis on the Afd. I had not really followed it because it was so complicated, but I read your summary and it was well stated. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 02:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem! I could have summarised it as "consensus is clear, your debate is good, now go hold the debate somewhere else and everyone will be happy" but that wouldn't be as helpful, I feel :p. Ironholds (talk) 02:35, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * As one of the participants in this AfD discussion, I am thanking you for your response and conclusion to keep everything. --DThomsen8 (talk) 03:39, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion, so I hope you will forgive me taking up your time, but I felt I ought to say "thank you" for a good demonstration of handling a contentious discussion. I watch some of the AN boards in order to learn - not just for WP, because I'm not very active here - but for other wikis. I hope that when I say "Well done and thanks" it doesn't seem patronising. It's meant as an honest expression of appreciation for seeing a job well done.
 * Kind regards. --rpeh •T•C•E• 05:10, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. Should have said - my reason for posting is that I know from personal experience that admins rarely get thanks, so I felt I should give credit where credit was due. --rpeh •T•C•E• 05:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Please translate TL:DR and TL:DR AfD for us.--DThomsen8 (talk) 12:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * TL;DR (it's shorthand for "too long; didn't read") (and I've edited Ironhold's closing to link this in anticipation of his permission to do so...) BencherliteTalk 12:47, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, permission'd. I really should've linked it in my statement. hmn. Ironholds (talk) 15:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Kudos for an impressive close.-- SPhilbrick  T  20:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) Ironholds (talk) 20:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

As one of the articles author, I would like to thank you to closing this endless and unproductive discussion. Could you also stop AfD on St. Mary of Czestochowa Parish (Middletown, Connecticut) and other catholic parishes/churches, nominated by Doncram until we reach some consensus on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism? So far he didn't provide any substantive arguments. --WlaKom (talk) 00:09, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I cannot simply close an active AfD in the middle of its run, even if there is discussion going on elsewhere. Asking me (in a biased fashion) to close it now prevents me from doing so, since it would look like I was sent deliberately to reach a certain decision. Ironholds (talk) 00:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Sanela diana Jenkin
Ironholds, You kindly removed some offensive material from the Sanela Diana Jenkins web site, the poster (Maximillioner) is, we suspect someone who has been posting other offensive material on other sites and I have been asked to try to find the IP address of Maximillioner to compare with other posts - I can't find it on WIKI, is that something you have or could tell me where to find it? stevenmshepherd@o2.co.uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.173.142.74 (talk) 11:16, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Sanela diana Jenkin
Ironholds, You kindly removed some offensive material from the Sanela Diana Jenkins web site, the poster (Maximillioner) is, we suspect someone who has been posting other offensive material on other sites and I have been asked to try to find the IP address of Maximillioner to compare with other posts - I can't find it on WIKI, is that something you have or could tell me where to find it? 79.173.142.74 (talk) 11:18, 31 January 2011 (UTC) stevenmshepherd@o2.co.uk
 * Normal users (and indeed, even admins) cannot see the IP address of logged-in users, and those users that can don't just hand them out. If you want to find this, I suggest mailing (post, not email) a formal request to our registered agent. Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 15:19, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Arthur Conan Doyle
Hi, wondered if I might trouble you to take a look at protecting Doyle? That page has been getting hit with a lot of vandalism. Oh, and congrats on your recent election as admin. Best, MarmadukePercy (talk) 11:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Deno's Wonder Wheel Amusement Park
Hello. Just for your information, I saw you removed the speedy deletion tag, so I've nominated the article at Articles for deletion/Deno's Wonder Wheel Amusement Park. Regards, De728631 (talk) 19:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Okie dokes; thanks for letting me know. Ironholds (talk) 19:27, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

William Blackstone
Despite my best efforts, I can't find anything to fault in this article relating to the Good Article criteria. Therefore the article has been promoted to Good Article. Congratulations! - DustFormsWords (talk) 23:15, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :) Ironholds (talk) 23:18, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Rowton Heath
Your recent edits have had the effect of entirely obliterating the previous article. While the article as it now stands has no major errors (some repetition and overlinking, easily fixed), may I ask what was so wrong with it previously that it should have been so completely expunged, references and all? HLGallon (talk) 22:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes; there were none. No inline citations, limited information, awkward formatting; the oomplete lack of citations meant there was literally nothing I could carry over, since none of it was verifiable. I expect the Good Article Nomination to clear up the errors with the new version .Ironholds (talk) 00:05, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Blame Israel first
I think it's only been six days, not seven. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh balls, yes. Thanks! Ironholds (talk) 00:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Facemaskrecon.com
I think the company provides a great service. There was a company in michigan that did facemask reconditioning up until about 5 yrs ago when it burned down and they closed up shop. Im just trying to get the word out that there is another company out there finally doing it again. With the economy the way is it and schools budgets getting cut they way they are, this company can save schools thousands. For example. Seneca High School in Seneca, sc. We had 106 facemasks recoated by facemaskrecon at a cost of $12 per mask. If we had to by them new it would have been $36 plus per mask. That is a savings of over $2300 for just one season! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdmann28 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe so, but you have not shown how the company passes WP:ORG, our guideline on including articles about organisations. Ironholds (talk) 03:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Gir
Ciao Ironholds,ho scritto la voce Francesco Mucci,sicuramente contiene qualche errore,potresti darmi una mano a correggerla.Grazie Spero di imparare a scrivere meglio.--Gir (talk) 11:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I am afraid I don't speak Italian. Ironholds (talk) 11:26, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * After using Google Translate I suggest it's something like this: "Hello Ironholds, I wrote the entry Francesco Mucci, it certainly contains some errors, could you give me a hand to correct it? Thank you. I hope to learn to write better." BencherliteTalk 11:34, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah. See my userpage; taking the week off for insanity-based reasons. Ironholds (talk) 11:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Cercherò di correggere l'articolo oggi per voi, Gir. Fluffernutter, previously known as Chaoticfluffy (talk) 13:54, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Akuma khan
I blocked as a pretty obvious agenda account, and probably a sockpuppet, to say nothing of the WP:BLP violations. There's an OTRS ticket but actually this is pretty straightforward stuff. I suspect they will be back so please be on the lookout. Thanks, Guy (Help!) 18:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ookay.. err, have I ever been involved in anything with the user? It's not pinging my memory. Ironholds (talk) 18:28, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Angarseps
Hi, I noticed you declined a speedy delete I suggested for the article Angarseps, instead suggesting to PROD it. However, if you search the name of the article on google, the only result that comes up is that very article. This, coupled with the fact that the only other edit the article's creator has ever contributed was also vandalism, makes it pretty clear that this article is most likely a piece of nonsense. I'm not sure why the effort to PROD it would be advisable over just speedy deleting it. Rorshacma (talk) 18:39, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * My bad; now deleted. Apparently somebody keeps updating and expanding CSD categories and then not personally telling me about it. The inequity... *grumbles* Ironholds (talk) 18:42, 2 February 2011 (UTC)