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March 2021
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Thanks for contributing to the article Jacob Collier ‎. However, one of Wikipedia's core policies is that material must be verifiable and attributed to reliable sources. You have recently used citations which copied, or mirrored, material from Wikipedia. This leads to a circular reference and is not acceptable. Most mirrors are clearly labeled as such, but some are in violation of our license and do not provide the correct attribution. Please help by adding alternate sources to the article you edited! If you need any help or clarification, you can look at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia or ask at New contributors' help page, or just ask me. Thank you. Kuru  (talk)  12:09, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. I know Collier's father personally, and have known him for 45 years. I met Jacob when he was a baby, and gave him a musical box for his first birthday! So I can vouch for the accuracy of this information. It is most frustrating not being able to add this information, which I know to be true. Is there no way in which certain knowledge gained from personal experience can be validated? For instance, if someone wrote a Wikipedia page about me, would I be unable to add or correct information about myself without sourced references? Irvingmoses (talk) 12:35, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I also know Collier's father personally, and I've known him for 46 years. I was the one that gave Jacob that musical box, and I vouch for the accuracy of the fact that he was actually a lizard baby. Luckily, I also do not have any reliable sources to back up my assertions, so we are at an impasse. Humor aside: Anyone can say anything on the internet; one of our fundamental and core policies is that information in our articles is verifiable. That is, we must have reliable sources for any claims, and they must be accessible for validation in some way. We do not allow original research or personal attestation. This is especially true for biographies of living persons - we work hard to make sure that assertations in those works are very carefully crafted, and anything out of line is removed immediately. I know this can be frustrating - there are a few articles here that I would love to add my own person knowledge to, but I cannot locate any solid sources that back it up. In most cases, it's really not a big deal. The article in question is not harmed by the omission of his father's talents.  Kuru   (talk)  23:40, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do see your point. You say that the article is not harmed by the omission of his father's talents, but, to be honest, the narrative of Jacob inheriting his genius from his mother and grandfather leaves out a big part of the story: Collier and his sisters were raised by a mother *and* a father until Jacob was 10, after which Patrick was as involved in their upbringing as he was allowed to be. But unfortunately, neither Jacob nor Patrick has never spoken publicly about this, so there are no sources to reference, and Patrick is destined to read and hear biographies of his world-famous son out of which he has been comprehensively airbrushed. Many thanks anyway for taking the time to explain. I shall continue to seek a valid source for my facts. Irvingmoses (talk) 00:18, 4 May 2022 (UTC)