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Dymitr Wiśniowiecki
This is not a transliteration, this is just the name was using and how he was called by his contemporaries. Even on his painting https://c8.alamy.com/comp/PBYA58/174-dymitr-winiowiecki-bajda-PBYA58.jpg he is named Dymitr Korybuth Xiąże Wiśniowiecki. All members of the Wiśniowiecki family have correct Polish spelling of their names, why Dymitr must be an exception? Marcelus (talk) 13:50, 7 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, . Yes, I know it may seem unnecessarily complex, but give me a chance to look into this a little further as there doesn't seem to be much Anglophone information indicating this as being the WP:COMMONNAME in the Anglophone world. Polish Latin script and commonname are not necessarily the same. I haven't much time today (it's early evening here in Australia), but I'll do a more comprehensive check around Google Scholar and reliable, verifiable sources. Just at a quick glance, both versions are used in English. I can see that it would be tempting to simply go with Wiśniowiecki, but he is a very specific entity, therefore using the more generalised version of the surname seems like an easy outcome, but not necessarily the correct one (I note that the Polonised version already appears as an alternative spelling). I'll get back to you on the matter ASAP, and we'll get it sorted. Cheers! Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:47, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Just in my opinion it is wise to use the same name for all members of the same family. Otherwise it is unnecessary confusing. Historically speaking looking for "correct" spelling of the name is futile, because there wasn't one, especially in 16th century, and the ssame person can be named differently within one document. What is more confusing for 16th century Grand Duchy the language used in writing was old chancellery Ruthenian, which is different than modern Ukrainian, Belarusian, Polish or Old Church Slavonic. For example in "Description of Volhynian Castles" from 16th century Dymitr is called (mind this is 19th century Polish transliteration): "Dmytrey Iwanowicz Wysznewski", "Dmytreia Wiszneweckoho" (in genitive), and his cousin is called "Fedor Wisznewskii", the family is called "Wiszneweckii" or "Wisznewickii". In other documents we can find also: "Visniowieczky", "Wysniowieczky", "Vysniowieczky". But the name "Wiśniowiecki" is well established in histriography so I don't see any reason why to use different spelling Marcelus (talk) 09:57, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * As a general premise, I agree with you, . Unfortunately, we have a lot of POV-pushers coming up with names that agree with a nationalistic agenda rather than sources and WP:COMMONSENSE. Take a look at Wikipedia's article on Kirill Razumovski with the 'Razumovski' having being pulled out of the Germanic history books and completely overlooking the predominant usage as being Kyrylo Rozumovsky (which I can attest to easily without a more comprehensive search of academic texts) just on a quick check of google.


 * Again, I want to get it right as this would mean a change to the WP:TITLE of the article and, given that the article has become default consensus under the current title, would require me to follow WP:RM (that is the protocols for a potentially controversial article move, with the WP:BURDEN being on me to demonstrate the COMMONNAME preference in Anglophone texts for the sake of other editors/contributors when/if the change is merited). I know it sounds a bit unnecessarily convoluted, but it wasn't followed in the Kyrylo Rozumovsky case, and the editor got around the process by moving it during a short period of time that the article's title wasn't protected. I'd actually forgotten that I needed to change it back, meaning that I have to put a case together to get that article moved back to the title it originally and legitimately occupied. I promise, I'll follow best practice and put together the best case I can for the sake of the reader. Still trying to find a moment to look into it properly just to get things on track. You and I don't WP:OWN articles (which is a good thing!), so gathering the most reliable information and making the best, honest case is how it's best approached. Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:38, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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Messed Up
Hi Iryna, I hope you are doing well. It has been a long time since we last talked as I have been much less active on Wikipedia until more recently. However, whenever I encounter a problem with stubborn vandals, admins, POV-pushers, and all sorts of other things - I almost always think first of turning to you for help, as you have always been extremely kind and helpful to me in the past. I have recently created the Messed Up page about a group of young Belarusian punk girls who formed a band four years ago and are getting some attention in independent media outlets now, especially since the release of their first full-length album. They are the only all-female punk rock group in Belarus and possibly the second ever Belarusian band signed to a German record label, so I think it would be a real shame if an article about them was deleted based on some absurdly lazy claim of "unreliable sources" - especially considering how difficult it is for them to function in Belarus, as well as how easily information about Belarusian dissidents is being deleted from Wikipedia. If you can offer any help, please see Articles for deletion/Messed Up (2nd nomination). Thank you. --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 09:31, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

personal attacks
"As for the WP:BLPVIO attempt at a defence... how much more desperate and lame do tactics have to become?" You should never say that. You don't even seem aware of these discussions Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_February_9, Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_December_20. You should probably apologies for this unfounded accusation to me and to others who have voted not to include these categories.--SharabSalam (talk) 09:33, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Your comments would be appreciated here
What do you think? It is for the Polish–Ukrainian War article. You know policy better than I do.



Faustian (talk) 18:47, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Russia - Syrian intervention.
Hi Iryna,

I just noticed that you reverted my edit to the Russia article on the Syrian intervention only the day after I made it on 26 July.

First, I am happy to accept that you may well be a great deal more knowledgeable about the situation than I am.

However, I would value invitation to a discussion about such a reversion before - or at least after - it was made.

My purpose in making the revision in the first place was that the text as it was before my 'intervention' (and as it is now) read as if Russia had taken it upon itself to 'walk into Syria' - just, in fact, as the Western/NATO-based militaries had. My addition was therefore intended to make it clear that this was not, in fact, the case.

In your reversion description you write, simply, "situation was a lot more complicated than that" to 'justify' your reversion. Unless the additional complexity to which you refer effectively makes my explanatory clause more wrong than right, I would then have expected you provide a better explanatory clause providing material descriptive of this more complex situation, rather than degrading the information content of the article by simply reverting my edit.

I think it is beyond question that Syria has been a long-term ally of Russia. It has provided Russia with it's only Mediterranean military port at Tartus since 1971 and since 2015 it has also provided a military air base at Khmeimim. Indeed the Wikipedia Syria article says that the two countries are "traditional" allies.

In sufficient detail to provide such an explanation, perhaps you would like to give me the benefit of your more in-depth understanding of the situation - perhaps in the Russia talk page, so that it is more visible to other subject experts to broaden the 'idea bandwidth'.

I'd be happy to add this as a 'starter' for such a discussion.Hedles (talk) 15:36, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Quick note as to my current state of health
Hello and. I've had a relapse and have been readmitted to hospital for more chemo, etc. At the moment I'm feeling to weak to commit to anything. Faustian, I did start on a draft response to your missive and will try to get back to finishing it when I get the chance. Season's greetings to all (including any of my page watchers, trolls and lurkers)! Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:51, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I hope you will get better soon.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:07, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your good wishes, . It's going to be a big, big uphill climb this time around, but I'm [wo]man enough to battle on. Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Get better soon! You are a treasure on here!Faustian (talk) 04:13, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Get well, Iryna. RGloucester  — ☎ 04:14, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


 * , thank you for your good wishes. I hold the both of you in high regard. Frankly, it's looking pretty bleak now (3 tries and I'm down to a 30% chance now), but I'm a cat with 9 lives, so 30% increments by 9 lives... meh, can't put that into an equation. I'm not playing the 'poor me' card because, firstly, this time it's going to work and secondly, I've had a good innings and have regret nothing of my reckless life. I wouldn't change a thing. I know it's a cliche, but I've really lived on the marginalia and done just about everything considered illegal, dangerous and foolhardy on an international scale. I leave this earth as cinders, get scattered and believe in nothing other than death being the end. Apologies for seeming to be so maudlin. I just want it on record for Wikipedia that my demise is not nigh, but it might not be so far down the track. That being the case, I'll have my husband (yes, I ended up with a male of the species) confirm the case. But that's not to happen because of my 30% plus 9 lives increment... so happy silly season and may each and every moment - boring and wasted or more interesting - be the substance of life as it's always been! Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:32, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Russia: Talk Page
The golden horde never conquered Russia or even all of Russia, it was a vassal state — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guardian101 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Croatian New Zealanders
Hi, you reverted my edit on Croatian New Zealanders, and I found your reasoning a bit strange. It's a well trodden fact that Dalmatian immigrants at the end of the 19th century were central to the establishment of the New Zealand wine industry, especially in the Auckland region where kauri gum digging was based. More importantly, Sir George Fistonich (Villa Maria) and Nick Nobilo (Nobilo Wines) are mentioned, but there is no mention of Montana, New Zealand's largest winery and one of its oldest, set up in 1934 by the Jukić family (now Brancott Estate). The particular paper I cited contains the information I stated in my edit. Also, I'm not sure why you reverted it as "promotional", perhaps it was the "award-winning" wording? Fair enough, but other than that I'm not promoting anything other than the fact that wine is one reason that Dalmatian immigrants were important to New Zealand's history. Perhaps more sources are warranted? If immigrants from the Dalmatian coast are not Croatian New Zealanders then apologies, I wouldn't claim to be an expert in that area. — Jon (talk) 09:34, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Edit: I'm sorry to hear about your health. I hope you are comfortable and wish you a full speedy recovery and a happy new year! — Jon (talk) 09:38, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Respectfully, none of the publications (including the journal) are prestigious enough for the elaborate for listing the brands. It really looks like WP:PROMO. Thank you for your good wishes. Best.Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:45, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, but as it stands there are no references for Nick Nobilo and George Fistonich either, which is why I wanted to add a reference in the first place; it then followed that since Dalmatian immigrants were central to establishing wine in NZ, I added the note about the other families and wineries and thought it worthy of a separate sub-heading. I am still not exactly sure what you think I'm promoting? I think saying something about that part of New Zealand's history is important; have a look at this Te Ara entry on New Zealand wine. If it's good enough for Te Ara, it's good enough for Wikipedia, surely? — Jon (talk) 21:23, 30 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, my goodness, man, why didn't you include Te Ara in the first place? I work on finding refs for New Zealand an Australian articles all the time, and Te Ara is one of my go to, trusted resources. The entry explicitly talks about the Dalmatians. Add it, and do so with my blessing. There may be a few stickler editors who - without the actual names being named - would consider this WP:PROMOis, but I'm good with it. Go crazy! Best.Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:06, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hooray! Happy new year :-) Jon (talk) 11:27, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * ... and to you, too! Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:39, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year!




 Iryna Harpy , Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! Wario-Man (talk) 06:49, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


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 * Thank you, . Wishing you and yours a happy and fruitful new year. Most importantly, I wish you all good health. I'm at the end of mine, so keep fighting the good Wikipedia fight. Knowledge matters. It's arguably our most important legacy. Be well, colleague! Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:09, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

may your wishes
to others bring you blessings as well - have a good new year ! JarrahTree 09:16, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


 * My heartfelt thanks, . Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:43, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * your response is appreciated - there are indeed many who do not deserve even a message - for, in many cases, the slightest of stupidities in 2019 - I am sure I was stupid enough times to others, however, in some cultures on this very strange planet, some cultures actually have days or processes to expunge and forgive, at least once a year, this planet of wikipedia has no apparent ritual or ceremony for anything that even approaches such a process, so best we leave them. Spaseeba. JarrahTree 10:01, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Belated New Year greetings
Happy New Year. I wish you better health in 2020. I am 78 now and I must be getting doddery; the change of year has rather passed me by and I have failed so far to update anything. Not much has been happening lately on the pages I follow and I am rather glad about that, as I grew weary of the battles I was engaged in earlier last year. It would be nice to have more sensible discussions about things that really matter, rather than engage in futile arguments about things that are patently untrue! LynwoodF (talk) 11:23, 9 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your good wishes, . I wish you a peaceful New Year. As time marches on, uneventful becomes a good thing. I hope that 2020 is supremely uneventful on the pages you work on! Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:50, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

In regards to my edits
I’ve noticed you have been stating that my edits are unconstructive, yet you fail to explain how there uncostructive. If my edits are unconstructive, them explain how there unconstructive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:183:C600:20A:3CFE:5103:7561:37CA (talk) 04:06, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I left an explanation on your talk page while you were leaving this message. Please read it, thank you. Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:30, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

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Assistance on Cossacks Page
It appears that the Cossack page is being monopolised by a certain group of people intent on mitigating the role of Ukraine and Ukrainian nationhood in the development of Cossackdom, any corroborated edit that mentions Ukraine is immediately removed as going against the majority and consensus. Due to the constant change of national POV of this page, I think it needs to be placed under Wikipedia's protection policy. A concensus needs to be reached that appeases both parties not just the Russian nationalism camp. I have read your comments in that talk page and you seem an impartial and experienced editor who is capable of identifying nationalist or politically or strategic edits. The fact that the first Cossack Host was established in modern-Ukraine referred then as 'na Ukraini' is not a nationalist edit it is simply fact. The line between fact and nationalism seems to be blurred in favour of the other party. Would appreciate your assistance on helping to preserve my edits that are both substantiated and fair.

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Best wishes
Hi Iryna, just a note to wish you all the best with your treatment. I hope everything works out for you. SarahSV (talk) 19:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much, . I have a 30% chance this time around... It's a lot of hard work, but I'm gonna make it work. There's 30 good years left in this old gal. Well, I'd say 40 years 'cos there are centenarians by the score on both sides of the family (well, no, there aren't, but it sounds impressive). May you live long and well. Don't regret or begrudge anything. Done is done. It was made/makes you what you were/are. Behavioural psychology forms us: the rest becomes our own will (plus a bit of hypnotherapy with the right hypnotherapist can work wonders). Bah, who needs this homespun pop-psychology, anyhow? Just live! Cheers! Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:03, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have nothing but admiration for your attitude, Iryna. SarahSV (talk) 19:04, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


 * As my wife's people would say "ΧΡΌΝΙΑ ΠΟΛΛΆ" - (don't Google translate that if the meaning isn't obvious. It tells you one circumstance in which it's said, rather than what it means!). Pincrete (talk) 08:02, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for your good wishes, . I know exactly what it means the same thing as my husband's people (Greeks) say, and what Eastern Slavs use as a name day/birthday greeting rather than a Christmas greeting. I think I made a fabulous ethnic choice in my marriage.
 * May this life be satisfying and fruitful for you and yours.


 * In childhood, one wants for little but a few creature comforts and love. In the prime of our lives we want for everything. As we age, we settle for contentment. Sometimes the moment doesn't come until the struggle to hold onto life begins... That's okay, too, so long as one can look back and state, without regret, that "I have truly led a life". Boy, have I ever led a life! Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:54, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey Iryna, I've been wanting to message since you last thanked me for an edit of mine on July 16 of last year. I've been not as active on Wikipedia myself since I've been busy with things, and going back and forth with trying to figure out for sure whether I want to do social work as my future career. (I'm 23 right now and a few steps away from starting the Bachelor's program at a different college if I go through with it.) Today I was thanked by another user for one of my edits, and I thought about you. I'm sorry to hear that you've been sick with a serious illness. I'll keep you in my prayers and hope you make it through all of this! You're one of the nicest editors (plus one that has done a lot of hard work) that I've met here on Wikipedia since 2013. The world needs more kind people like you; which is why it's always a privilege to share these small conversations with a person that is able to show the same amount of respect.


 * I saw in your previous comment that you mentioned hypnotherapy. I have a suggestion, there is a very great book I read called The Genie Within], which was recommended to me by a close friend 2 years ago, a month before he died in a car accident at age 20. The entire book is about the subconscious mind, and the power of how it works, especially in the way of healing. (I definitely need to reread it since I have my own personal doubts that I have to conquer.) It seems that since you have a strong will (conscious mind), you can combine your power (subconscious) and have the will-power heal yourself away of this disease. The author, Harry Carpenter, had a life threatening disease when he was 9, and a mental practitioner was able to convince him that he can win this battle against his disease. He not only survived, but became a professor, then retired and wrote the book, and is still healthy to this day. He even offered the first two chapters for free online: 1 2, so if this sounds interesting to you, feel free to read!


 * Other than that, God bless, and all the best to you! - Leonard V. SkoraPobeda (talk) 00:54, 5 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I honestly don't know whether I responded to your kind missive. Thank you for your suggestion. Unfortunately, I took the conventional Western method first. I've been in and out of hospital so often, I haven't felt well enough to read anything more (treatment is tiring and reading, for the first time in my life, has become difficult - chemo brain and drugs dull the senses, and the damage that's been done to me make it unlikely that I'll be able to contribute in a meaningful way other than gnoming). I'd suggest to anyone that they try trial drug pills before any conventional treatment as I've now encountered many people who have managed to live on for years on low danger pills because it was their good fortune to react too badly to chemotherapy when the first dose had only begun to be administered. I wish I hadn't been able to tolerate the chemo and radiotherapy. Poisoning people to a massive degree cannot be good, especially when you discover that they have an aggressive cancer. I can't wait for it to come back because I'm not strong enough to take the trial drugs when it means migraines, and side affects that are uncomfortable, but they'll take you off the drug should anything major show up as a problem. The first and foremost premise should be, be kind to yourself. It was stress, fast food, plastics, and radioactivity in the air, etc. that gave you the cancer in the first place. I don't care what Steve Jobs said, he worked under stress until he died. Avoiding conventional medicine isn't going to work if you keep up the stressed lifestyle.


 * Keep up your beliefs and the fight. Whether we appear to disagree with each other or not in articles, it wasn't necessarily my own opinion I was expressing, but that of mainstream first world countries. I think there are a lot of us here who protect mainstream lies because it is an exercise in honing our skills as devil's advocates. Finding a place where true neutrality exists may as yet be the saviour of this planet. Perhaps, one day, we won't be killing each other and pretending that with research money from our governments rather from psychopathic multinationals, oligarchs, et al, we can have low impact resources with which to to feed the world, power the world, and still be able to leave the world for our descendants to be educated in, and till the soil in. Keep up the good fight. What is best for everyone probably lies in compromise, understanding that everyone and everything matters, and a non-capitalist economic system is what we need to share knowledge in. I wish you and yours live a long, healthy good life. Never stop believing that it's not too late to stop distracting minds with religion, fashion, beauty and sex. Iryna/Irina. Iryna Harpy (talk) 07:04, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Iryna, thank you for the reply! I'm sorry to pelt you with an even larger response. I just had to put this all together, since I've been thinking of how to answer the past few days. With chemo and radiation, I definitely understand the harmful side effects of them. Unfortunately right now, my uncle has been suffering from cancer since at least 2016, now especially it got worse from the side effects of chemo on his colon cancer. My dad and I have intensely researched natural help for fighting off cancer and other diseases in the past few years. My uncle has a metastasis on his stomach, and it pains him to walk. It's very sad for us, because even 2 years ago, my dad and I really wanted him to go the natural route and just change his diet to a much more plant-based one. But after a month of trying to consistently juice fruits and vegetables from a juicer, he gave up because he didn't see fast results in his X-rays. His oncologist of course used the typical Big Pharma scare tactics of telling him that he only has half a year left to live if no action is taken. So of course he went on that path. In the beginning, it helped reduce the size of it to be much smaller. But since chemo is literally poison, the reduction of cancer in one area doesn't prevent the dirty cells from travelling through the blood and into other parts of the body. It's what created more metastasis, and now all I can do is pray that some herbal teas and St. Jon's Wort mixture will help him out. He now understands that chemo won't help anymore. I just wish he had listened sooner to prevent this from happening. I don't want to see him or any other good person in the world suffer or die from the hands of corrupt medical industries that bank billions off of drugs and "best solutions that we have to fight disease."


 * I'm a very strong believer in the alternative healing methods of homeopathy and raw veganism. From my perspective, the trick is through multiple factors. We know that the powers that be don't have our health and wellness in our best interests. But no matter how bad the chemo and cancer have damaged your body, I believe that you can alleviate some if not most of the pains, and even go as far as reversing metastasis in your body. Instead of living a few years longer, some people reverse their cancers and live decades longer. Of course this is all so-called "anecdotal evidence", but I see truth in it. Aside from strong faith, prayer and having affirmative thoughts on your healing (thinking in the present tense that you are healed - i.e. the power of the subconscious mind), what's most important is biophotons from eating a lot of fruits and vegetables. Going outside and getting that fresh air and sunlight is also very vital. But from what I've researched, abstaining from meat and dairy while also juicing many fruits and vegetables on a daily basis would undoubtedly be very beneficial in healing you. Perhaps your husband could help out in the juicing process if you consider doing it.


 * Two great examples I want to share with you is Chris Wark, he was around 25 or so when he was diagnosed with Stage IIIc colon cancer. Although he had a surgery at first and then refused chemo and went the natural way, his reliance on a plant-based diet, strong faith and exercise is what healed him. He has many informative interviews with cancer survivors of all sorts of types. They explain in detail their story of how they struggled, and then survived without the need of doctors (or after they had enough of their trickery). And there is no need to lose hope! People as far gone as Stage IV Melanoma have been healed, and this man is still living 30 years later! Even the son of the Baskin Robbins Ice Cream business ended up healing his dad when he got cancer (and he lived for another 20 years from what I remember), it's a very touching interview. Then there is John Rose, a 66 year old health and wellness consultant who has been raw vegan for 30 years. He is a very big advocate of juice fasting for helping reverse diseases, which he believes 80% of them, including most cancers are reversible. It's not a even a question of if, he's coached thousands of people throughout his life. He knows that we have a lot of toxic mucoid plaque stuck in our intestines, which even a colonoscopy won't help get rid of, which is why his students have been able to heal many illnesses after a juice fast, since they excrete it out from the help of the juices. Some of the students were shown on the Debra Duncan show. A lot of John's videos are about all sorts of different subjects, but I recommend this and this. Cancer is a result of internal toxicities, it happens mostly in people who have a plugged up digestive and lymphatic systems. If both of those are full of toxins, then that is when disease arises. (Not to mention the polluted environment, and of course the stress as you've mentioned.) Chemo amplified the amount of toxins you have like my uncle, no doubt, but this does not mean that the fight is over. You can still reverse it if you choose to! At least that is from what I believe. Even though I never met you in real life, I feel what you go through because of the terrible experience with my uncle. Even if it's a tough choice to change your entire diet and way of life, please consider the suggestions, I mean it from the bottom of my heart. Whatever you decide in the end is all up to you of course, I just know that cancer is indeed reversible. No matter how hard the corporations and governments try to lie and hide it over profits. I will keep you in my prayers. I and many others here who admire you will support whichever decision you make. I will certainly try my best to stay as strong and as healthy as I possibly can for the life struggle, and I plan to inspire others to believe in themselves. The hidden power is within our minds; with the right guidance, we can utilize it to achieve goals that were thought to be unachievable. SkoraPobeda (talk) 06:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Wow, what a hero iron lady, fight survior, still rocking and fighting so well, an excellent fair and objective contributor to the wikipedia. We do not know each other and have not come across each other before. I arrived here via Talk:List of countries with overseas military bases and my subsequent post Talk:List of countries with overseas military bases. Thanks for creating a good article and peristently and patiently maintaining it for years. Good luck with the health. I am sure nothing can keep a strong, lively and always contributing to life kindered spirit like you. We need you here honey, so you are not allowed ot go anywhere anyway. hahaha. Hugs and best wishes my dear new friend. I salute you for making me feel inspired. Cheers~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.182.176.169 (talk) 17:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your appreciation of my work, 58.182.176.169. No everyone appreciates my understanding of WP:NPOV, but it's good to know there are some who do! Iryna Harpy (talk) 07:14, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

FYI
Re to your comment here. My very best wishes (talk) 20:48, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, old friend. This time I'm not questioning your changes. See my response on the article's talk page. Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:10, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I wish you get well. But questioning my (or anyone else) edits is fine, and you are welcome to fix them. What I do not like are people following my edits to make blind reverts without any adequate/substantial explanations. My very best wishes (talk) 16:34, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Stalkers are a dime a dozen, and this will hardly be the last time it happens. As for making changes, I don't even trust my gnoming skills anymore. I'm very ill, and have no energy to argue a point with anyone. I feel safer leaving it in the hands of the likes of you. Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I am very sorry to hear this. This is the time to make the best of the "real life", for me too. I am fine, but have a couple of really important real life projects at work for a few next years, where everything depends on me. Who knows, may be they will be the last? Other than that, I enjoy living in a great country and in a nice place. During this COVID thing I started to feel that "my home is my fortress". The backyard is an opening with a forest and a small lake. All kind of animals are around, like deers, rabbits, snakes, racoons, foxes, and lots ob birds... Not sure what poem would be good for such occasion. Probably that one, by Ivan Bunin. My very best wishes (talk) 22:39, 20 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh, don't be sorry for me! Half my life I did everything dangerous and stupid you could imagine, but I grew up at 30 and went on with my education and working cafe's, but applied for research at parliament, Australia. then a high level position at Monash University (who says nepotism in the workplace is a bad thing... well, it is, theoretically, but I think I came out a compassionate teacher and mollycoddler because of it). How dearly I love the country. We had a dacha next to a place called 'Yabby creek'. May sound delicious, but Australian yabbys are too hard to catch, plus you'd need a hammer to get through their spiky blue shells. The fact that no Victorian tribes considered yabbys food should have given us a clue. They never went into the boiling water, but back into the creek. I leave yabbying to the young and quick of hand. European yabbys were introduced by the Anglo-Celtic communities who occupied the cites of Australia into man-made parks with man-made ponds for the entertainment and adventurous spirit of children back in the 19th century when it was considered a wonderful way to create relaxation space for the general public to take them out into the fresh air, and less than admirable slaughter of whole tribes in order to secure the land. Calling the indigenous tribes savages has now given way to calling them boongs and pushing them out of neighbourhoods where their tribes would likely have live. Research is increasing, and the reconstruction of their languages has become a priority in the Australian art, linguistic, and cultural world. It's the least we owe them. Their lives and sense of pride remain abused to this day. How do you give back land in big cities? How do you compensate without turning the tribes into reflections of the European world, as has happened in the USA with Indigenous run casino's? When people have lost their culture that much, how do you replace the alcohol for living in a humpy?


 * Oh, well, I've done what I can towards the recognition of the Aboriginal/Indigenous plight. It's up to future generation to find a realistic and rewarding way of apologising and recognising that these 200 nations were the custodians of this land for 50,000 (perhaps 70,000 years. Piece be with the world.
 * The poem is beautiful. My brother runs a native wetland plant business which he has done the hard labour on, the study on, and the accounting for. He's getting too old to do the physical work and is trying desperately to find some hard working lads or gals who are prepared to learn the business from the bottom up. His two daughters were educated, but then married men who turned out to be lazy good for nothings who don't want to work. One couple still live with Nick and has a child by one man, but lives with Nick and his wife with another man, the other is divorced from a drunken wife-beater. She has a house, but needs her poor old mother to babysit her child so she can go out with her friends, and for dad to come and cut up her firewood, and he's hurt himself enough using an axe to cut the wood as he did when he was young, and run a small market garden, chickens for meat, and chickens for eggs. The eggs chickens' are like pets to him, so they have names and are hand fed when he has the time. The other's he just keeps in an enormous run (all are protected from foxes) and a organically fed and kept. He just can't look at the eating chickens' in the eye because he couldn't wring their necks, and he does it quickly so the chicken doesn't know what's happening. They only keep a few of these, and the are not sold for eating, just for their occasional chicken roasts. I'd love to go there on holiday because it's right on the edge of the state owned 'Ottways forest', and you can watch the kangaroos, wombats, snakes... just everything there. I don't know if I could kill feral cats, but I'd be prepared to set traps to catch them. That's how Nick and his wife got their domestic cats (who are only allowed outside on a leash). All the same, it's beautiful taking walks with their whippet dog who knows not to touch any of the animal life when he's on walks. Sadly, they're too far away from the city for treatment with top international specialist. I'd have to be airlifted, which costs the state too much money and should be allocated to people who are young, and children. I hate the fact, though, that McDonalds - the psychopatic hamburger multinational, sponsors many of these programs because it's their foods that probably made the children and adults sick in the first place!
 * Well, enough ranting from me. Пора прощаться, старый друг. Iryna Harpy (talk) 07:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I see. My life experience was of course very different. As someone from the former USSR, I usually was a good boy, not mentioning a couple of minor infractions like being arrested by militsiya for no reason and escaping from their custody or playing cat and mouse game with rangers in the mountains of Caucasus, and also having a couple of close calls during mountain trips, as described on my user page:

Провисая в трещине бездонной На веревке стертой и убогой, Я услышал голос потаенный Горного возвышенного бога. ... Там где я скользил и зарубился На излете фирнового поля, Я из снега заново родился, Мой Кавказ, моя земля и воля.
 * ("зарубился" means to successfully self-arrest with ice axe - I was lucky to self-arrest because there was a big randkluft just below. I was with a few very inexperienced guys from the Semenov Institute of Chemical Physics in a place so rarely visited that we found a skeleton of a person who was killed during WW II). Well, this is just as an entertainment. Thank you! My very best wishes (talk) 16:18, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Not with Alexey Bodrov, by any chance?--Ymblanter (talk) 17:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Hmm, interesting. Could it be that the two of you have a common friendship? Enjoyed the poem MVBW, but had to look up "фирнового поля". Not in my 'kitchen Russian' lexicon, I'm afraid. Enjoy those moments of rebirth along the sojourn of life. They are few, and sometimes hard to detect in the moment. Are you really reborn, or merely inspired? Is it more to do with the rediscovery of a human being lost from the human world for so long. Sorry I have a tendency to parse poetry, as I've always been a perfectionist. As metaphor, however, it is inspired. Eerie story behind the poem. Whereabouts were you climbing? Was it a Nazi soldier, or one of our civilians? I suppose, in my mind's eye, I thought of the land to be permanently frozen, but evidently the area you found the skeleton in defrosts in the warmer weather, and various insects, animals and decomposition can strip it bare. I assume that the authorities did a thorough forensic study of the departed and thought found out approximate time of death (not thousands of years old), and worked out other details from fabric remnants.
 * Was it a man or a woman, a resistance fighter. How did they die? Freeze to death. If you start an anecdote, you must be prepared to finish it. Did they find the relatives through DNA, or is there no one left who knows of this person to remember or care about their story.
 * Eventually we are all forgotten (unless we're famous and they base a "Who do You Think You Are?" on you for public consumption. Most of us are just guesswork with names and whole lifetimes forgotten. I have no children, but my brother's Russian is better than mine, but he didn't teach his girls to speak Russia, which upset my mother and myself. They were already 5 or 6 when my sister-in-law let them come to stay and she and I would read them Marshak, Baba Yaga, and tell them as many things about Russian and Ukrainian traditions as we could in Russian... but it was too late to hold in their heads, and my sister-in-law hadn't pursued the Chinese and/or Japanese she wanted them to learn as more important as trade languages. My husbands situation is similar, and he, like myself, feel as if we are dealing with little Aussie strangers. I love them all, but I don't feel the warmth I should. We're a strange animal. I can see my family and George's (my husband's) family in their faces and build, but something is missing. The stories of their background is forgotten already. This skeleton has lost its identity. Forgotten in living memory is true death. Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Irina, just to clarify, this a field of firn, aka Фирн in Russian, a perfectly valid ordinary wording. The "reborn" methaphor? I guess I consider these mountains rather than Moscow or anything else my real motherland, which is true, speaking about a part of my ancestory. As about the skeleton, that was probably a Soviet soldier left from the WW II (there was an ordinance around, the remainders of "Блиндаж" - from stones, etc., this is a well known defensive line taken by the Soviet forces). No hard proof who he was though. To remove and study such remains, one would need an authorization. Perhaps the skeleton is still there, no one would do forensic or whatever. This is not Australia or USA. Most of them have been already removed though around this particular area we visited. Hundreds thousand others are still scattered in remote forests through Russia, not mentioning lots of mass graves where lots of bodies were placed, and who knows who these people were. My very best wishes (talk) 20:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I must admit: I did not even see the skeleton, being busy with scouting our way further as a leader of the group. That is when I fell on the steep firn field that was much harder and slippery than I expected, but was able to self-arrest because of my previous training and experience. Three other members of our group were looking at the remains at the very same time when I fell... Now, I think that was kind of strange. That was one of the most interesting mountain trips in my life, and I am very happy I did them... My very best wishes (talk) 01:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * So, I am leaving your talk page, but all my non-scientific inspirations are actually described in detail and placed as poems on my user page and linked pages:

Веревкою и поступью одной Мы связаны на трудном восхожденье - К вершине жизни сквозь ледник земной, Растресканный от смерти до рожденья. My very best wishes (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. "Eventually we are all forgotten" and the loss of national culture. Yes, this is all true and about me too, but I do not care because my life and death philosophy is now very different. I tried to explain it in a little poem on my user page that starts from "Веди меня, поэзия, туда, Где знание сильней воображенья,", but this is a bigger topic that deserves a separate discussion if there is any interest. My very best wishes (talk) 02:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * My hopes and prayers are with you and your family, you have always been and I hope will be for a long time to come a real gem and treasure here. Most of us only affect a small part of this world and your effect has been a great one.Faustian (talk) 04:54, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Please check persistent POV pushing re: Turkey and Pakistan foreign bases
Dear Iryna,

Some editors peristently keep pushing POV by readding nonexistent bases to Pakistan and Turkey in the List of countries with overseas military bases. See my comments on talkpage there. Thanks. 58.182.176.169 (talk) 10:51, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Iryna, I was thinking of you when I tried to improve Omelyan Kovch a Ukrainian Greek-Catholic priest. I wish you all the best! I hope my flowers will not be deleted before you have seen them. JimRenge (talk) 20:00, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Iryna
As an interested and practicing Wikipedia editor I was looking for some assistance and explanation. On the Zaporizhian Cossacks page, it appears that any notional mentions of the Zaporizhian Cossacks association with 'Ukraine' or 'Ukrainian' is attempted to be removed whereas their associations with other nations even though often less cited than that preivously mentioned is retained or emphasised. Likewise, it appears almost a mission to remove the term 'Zaporizhian' on the page. This appears to be a running pattern with a running set of accounts doing this, often with a track record of vandalising opponents of their nationalist cause. It appears that some accounts possess some sort of vendetta against Ukrainian history or even the use of the words, I have written on the talk page but would kindly appreciate your guidance and constructive feedback.--DanielLerish (talk) 18:09, 19 September 2020 (UTC)DanielLerish

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i dont know what u are saying? maybe can u please show me the changes that u say i made — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.219.174 (talk) 19:30, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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Iryna... this is NOT a sentence in English-
" Another point of view developed during the 19th and 20th centuries by linguists of Imperial Russia and the Soviet Union. " - missing a verb or something ... HammerFilmFan (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2015 (UTC) I'm bringing this back up because you are not a native speaker and are missing this ... the above is a dangling string and not a complete sentence. For a nonsensical example, THIS would be: "It is possibly Balto-Aztec, another point of view developed during the 19th and 20th centuries ..." - do you understand the modifier/difference? Do you see how developed is used in context? Having the above just sitting by itself is NOT a sentence in English. Something is missing. I don't have the source for the Ukrainian Language article, but perhaps you do and can fill this out correctly. Thanks. 50.111.1.232 (talk) 17:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC) HammerFilmFan

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