User talk:Isaacl

Proposed decision in the Venezuelan politics case posted
The proposed decision in the open Venezuelan politics arbitration case has been posted. Comments on the proposed decision may be brought to the attention of the committee at the talk page. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 17:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Admin candidates' edit counts
I am glad to see that you kept the statistics, although they weren't what I was talking about exactly. But maybe, from them, we could get what I wanted to look at.

The key for me is not how fast an individual admin candidate's edit count grows over time. It's how many edits they had at the time of an RfA (yes, some candidates having multiple RfAs does complicate things a bit). That, I'd like to see plotted into some sort of visual. At least with the most simplistic data, we could see if there's a point where a successful candidacy becomes more likely and maybe see if that's the point at which we might offer candidates the chance to forego the two days' discussion.

I suppose in the future we might also look at, say, the portions of the candidates' edits by namespace at the time of the RfA and see if that has any effect. Daniel Case (talk) 05:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, my data collection was a initial rough approximation of an editor's tenure at the time they became an admin. I chose to measure the start of that tenure by the first year when their edits exceeded a threshold, and looked at thresholds based on total edits and on talk page edits. The idea is that an editor's formative experiences start once they begin engaging with others to a higher degree. I also arbitrarily chose a threshold number of edits below which an editor is considered to be away from the project. Accordingly the number of active years can be roughly measured by length of tenure minus years away during that tenure.
 * As I mentioned, because those who commented previously didn't appear that interested, due to the large variability of each individual editor's circumstances, I wasn't motivated to try to refine the data to a more granular level (such as the exact time when editors made a request for administrative privileges), or to chart the data. If you wanted to look into it further, that would be great. I used the XTools edit counter page for the edit stats; I linked to the individual editor pages in the data tables. isaacl (talk) 06:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

that didn't work
Hi, I tried Special:Diff/1233172198 before and didn't submit it because it was already broken in preview. It incorrectly highlights the comma on the right side of the diff; if anyhow possible, I'd request using the version I had fixed. &#126; ToBeFree (talk) 18:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I like it that way because it provides a reference for where the deleted text was removed. (The diff is technically correct as it shows the text on the left, including the comma at the end, being replaced with just the comma.) Given the short length of text, personally I'd prefer to leave it as is. If you really think it will be confusing, I'll remove it entirely. isaacl (talk) 02:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This is normally not the way a diff looks like for pure removals.
 * Ideally, the first of these examples should instead highlight "Example sentence 2" as that was the text I had selected and removed. The template can't read my mind, though; the only way to include this information is to change the output manually.
 * Example sentence 1. Example sentence 3. &#126; ToBeFree (talk) 06:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the template/module doesn't show the same as MediaWiki. Special:Diff/1233274569 looks different in the "source" diff. I wouldn't say it's confusing to the point of having to be removed, I'd just say the automatic detection is suboptimal and the fix was fine. &#126; ToBeFree (talk) 06:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Look, it's really broken. MediaWiki gets it (mostly) right. The template doesn't. You have encountered a bug even if you prefer it. &#126; ToBeFree (talk) 07:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, I agreed it didn't show a minimum set of changes. That doesn't mean the diff is incorrect. isaacl (talk) 14:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Example sentence 1. Example sentence 3. &#126; ToBeFree (talk) 06:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the template/module doesn't show the same as MediaWiki. Special:Diff/1233274569 looks different in the "source" diff. I wouldn't say it's confusing to the point of having to be removed, I'd just say the automatic detection is suboptimal and the fix was fine. &#126; ToBeFree (talk) 06:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Look, it's really broken. MediaWiki gets it (mostly) right. The template doesn't. You have encountered a bug even if you prefer it. &#126; ToBeFree (talk) 07:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, I agreed it didn't show a minimum set of changes. That doesn't mean the diff is incorrect. isaacl (talk) 14:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Indenting because I didn't close table
I found that I was causing problems when I didn't use " ". In fact, I needed to add "|}" like you said. I knew there was something else but I never asked. I won't be going back and fixing all those templates that now end with " ", but if I can fix the ones I have posted recently, I will. Thanks again.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know what templates to which you are referring. Are you referring to a page in the Template namespace, or a page in any namespace that you are transcluding using ? If so, it would be a good idea to ensure that it properly closes any  elements and any tables. isaacl (talk) 02:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ... and it would be nice if you would fix up any missing closing tags or table characters in comments you left on user talk pages, particularly for new editors, who are even more likely than you to not be able to figure out what happened. isaacl (talk) 02:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I just didn't know because somehow I copied the template incorrectly. See here. And what I had been doing wasn't enough, it turned out.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  16:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm aware of the conversation in which I responded to you. I don't know how you made this edit. Did you enter ? If so, then the template some template name should balance all opening and closing tags, as well as opening and closing table characters. Did you copy and paste the wikitext from somewhere else and make modifications? Typically, to avoid confusion with pages in the Template namespace, it's better not to call this a template. In either case, it would be nice if you would fix any issues you created on other user talk pages, since they're probably also confused about what happened. isaacl (talk) 16:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It would be nice, but it would be too hard to go back in my contributions and find all the cases where I used this particular template. To answer the question about why I found one problem and not the other, I had to go back a year. Fortunately, it's mostly IPs and others who never come back and never get any other messages. My goal is to get caught up and immediately notify these IPs if no one else does or they don't respond after asking a Teahouse question.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't ask any questions about why you found any problems. My apologies; I can't give any more guidance without knowing what you did to place that text on the user talk page, as I don't know if there is a page in the template namespace, or some other page that is generally used via transclusion, that needs to be fixed. Best of luck in not leaving elements unclosed on any page. isaacl (talk) 21:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was just letting you know what my problem was before, and that you told me how to solve it. My other solution may have been needed but didn't work. There was a bot and I was trying to copy what the bot did, but someone forgot to keep the bot working. I know if I'm new to a site and I don't know how to get back to where I asked for advice, I'd like someone to help me.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I just find it curious that you tried to answer a question I didn't ask, but didn't try to answer any of the questions I did. But that's all right. Happy editing! isaacl (talk) 22:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I tried to answer the question, but all I remember is I copied the text posted by a bot and replaced its signature with mine. Somewhere I messed up.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  15:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * The bot probably transcluded a page from the Template namespace (or possibly a subpage of the Teahouse page?) using the  syntax. It would be better for you to do the same, since the template presumably is properly closing all elements. You can try doing a search of the Template namespace for some of the text in the message box to find out which template was being used, or perhaps even easier, just ask someone at the Teahouse talk page. isaacl (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)