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Speedy deletion nomination of Jimmy King : Photographer & Stylist


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March 2022
Hello, I'm Largoplazo. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. ''Your edits give the general impression of attempts to add the name of Tanja Stark everywhere possible, in effect promoting her. I can find no evidence that neither she, her conjectures, nor her artistic motifs have achieved the sort of note that would lead to them being of interest in the articles involved.'' Largoplazo (talk) 11:32, 21 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The thesis and art genres are original work, that have been subject of lectures and publication for many years, subsequently cited by many major leading publishers and authors, sometimes without attribution. Please provide examples of issues and I am happy to provide evidence.  2001:8003:7199:D301:C058:84FF:4555:7201 (talk) 13:30, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Largoplazo "I can find no evidence that neither she, her conjectures, nor her artistic motifs have achieved the sort of note that would lead to them being of interest in the articles involved."
 * I've collected a few chapters from Routledge Press, Bloomsbury Press, media around lectures and exhibitions, key note speeches that reference the edits that have been deleted, hoping these might meet the threshold of being of interest? Any help appreciated.
 * https://bloomsburymusicandsound.com/encyclopedia-chapter?docid=b-9781501304781&tocid=b-9781501304781-chapter4&st=
 * https://www.routledge.com/David-Bowie-Critical-Perspectives/Devereux-Dillane-Power/p/book/9781138631205
 * https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/jun/30/david-bowie-is-strange-fascinations-with-tanja-stark
 * https://www.broadsheet.com.au/melbourne/entertainment/article/loving-alien Keynote speaker in 2015 at ACMI Melbourne. (The theorist: Tanja Stark has had an eclectic career, from visual artist and counsellor to her current incarnation as an “accidental writer", renowned for her theoretical work on Bowie’s fascination with Swiss psychotherapist Carl Jung. Stark will speak about Jung and Bowie at one of the Strange Fascination series of talks at ACMI on Sunday July 26.)
 * https://theconversation.com/back-then-and-now-just-who-is-david-bowie-42052 (2015) The David Bowie Is program of events incorporates film, live talks, music, live performances and other creative works. It is the must-see event of the winter season. Nested within this cornucopia of exhibition delights is a two-day multidiscipline symposium, The Stardom and Celebrity of David Bowie (July 17-18).... In addition, a number of creative artists will respond to Bowie’s work through their own practice...A fascinating artist, Tanja Stark, draws on visual expression to present her creative work that places strong emphasis on Bowie’s visionary opus. Visitors are offered a walk-through sonic and visual labyrinth as a means to explore the archetypal theme of the profound personal and sometimes mysterious journey.
 * https://www.irishtimes.com/news/academics-to-dissect-fascination-with-bowie-1.549645
 * http://www.ulsites.ul.ie/pmpc/csis/strange-fascination-symposium-david-bowie-0. ( international speaker and artist in residence at this symposium in 2012)
 * https://speakingofjung.com/podcast/2021/5/5/episode-86-jung-an-introduction ( Starks 2015 thesis and discussions of deleted syzygy edited cited in this textbook and podcast by leading professor in field Ann Casement) https://www.academia.edu/59279918/Stark_Tanja_Carl_Jung_and_David_Bowie_in_Jung_in_Effect_Jungs_ideas_in_the_wider_world_Annette_Lowe_Editor_published_by_Melbourne_Jung_Society_2015_foreword_by_David_Tacey
 * https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/edit/10.4324/9781315797755/david-bowie-eoin-devereux-aileen-dillane-martin-power?refId=dcdb0a5d-9374-4eb5-84ec-d11513e9fb9b&context=ubx
 * https://jungqld.com/events/jul-2016/tanja-stark/david-bowie-and-carl-jung/
 * https://jungqld.com/events/dec-2021/tanja-stark/suburban-gothic-and-the-sublime-divine/
 * https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-30/brisbane-artist-tanja-stark/9376502?nw=0
 * https://joy.org.au/scifiandsqueam/2015/07/david-bowie-is-with-tanja-stark/
 * https://www.jungsocietymelbourne.com/march-2022 IsabelsPicnic (talk) 03:55, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Please don't use the help me templates when engaged in a content dispute. The helpers who respond to the call for help will not engage in content disputes, as a rule. You've already addressed a specific editor in this matter, so that should suffice. You might want to consider whether your collection of references might be suitable for starting a draft about Tanya Stark. And if you do have a connection with Stark beyond just being a distant admirer, this connection would be something you should disclose on your user page.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 05:24, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry I just read above that I should type help me on this page, apologies. I was just a bit confused Routlege Academic et al was deleted as a source. IsabelsPicnic (talk) 06:05, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Routlege link was to a storefront site selling the book. We can't link to storefronts. There are ways to cite books using the author, title, publisher, and ISBN and - in almost all cases - page numbers that do not violate the rule about storefronts.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 07:09, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. I thought the edits that were removed did include the citation though, not the shopfront, and a hyperlinked to the full paper? IsabelsPicnic (talk) 08:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi there. I haven't read this full thing but after seeing you say "my source article" here, that makes me wonder, are you related or have a close connection with this Tanya Stark? If so that makes me worried about having a conflict of interest. Also, your additions to Bowie articles are not formatted correctly. – zmbro (talk) (cont) 13:06, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Appreciate the feedback, please advise if these don’t stand up to comparable academic rigour of male references. These pages have been identified as largely devoid of female academics, and editors. As the topics are already comprehensively referenced, rather than deleting and substituting well established male author citations, identifying female citations that expand or add novel, peer reviewed content is harder. IsabelsPicnic (talk) 22:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It literally has nothing to do with sexism. I fully understand what you're doing. BUT, the sources you add are not formatted correctly and I'm asking if you have close ties with this Tanya Stark because if so, that creates a conflict of interest. – zmbro (talk) (cont) 23:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * As you guys can see, I'm no IT expert and am doing the best I can. I am super happy for help with citations and would really appreciate any offers to help with formatting.
 * I will say, the first comment in the thread above seemed pretty dismissive of the independent sources cited e.g. Bloomsbury and Routlege, and made me feel quite nervous to stay engaged. I have no interest in wiki clout so please feel free to redo my changes if you think they are valid and hold up, under your own names if you are concerned about any perceived COI. I am a SME and do know Tanja Stark and many of the women authors and artists in this area, but am pretty sure there are no COI issues that would preclude incorporating substantiated peer-reviewed published articles, that have been cited extensively in subsequent publications.
 * As we know, the arts in general historically omit women (name any famous female artists prior to 1800 ) and even now rock journalism and writing is often the domain of men. The Bowie pages in particular on wiki, seem to be compiled largely by male editors with male citations, which could be more balanced. As I said, rather than delete and substitute already excellent and comprehensive content for the sake of ridiculous token gender re-balancing, the very least I can do is contribute to the gaps with interesting and academically validated content that adds to the body of knowledge.
 * I am also hoping to address the issue of a plethora of posthumous publications that are incorrectly citing links they seem to have sourced on wikipedia, that are incorrect, and therefore not coming up as citations for the authors of the original academic papers, lowering their impact level, and the even more annoying issue where articles without high profiles are having their ideas re-presented, often due to their 'invisibility' on sites such as this. ( The 'red shoes' citation on the song Let's Dance entry, for example, was added by some other contributor at an unknown point, but was incorrectly attributed to the editor of the book, not the author, which I changed last night, and added to the album page as well.).
 * I have a bunch of citations and links of multiple female artists and academic women I am working though as time permits. However, I really dont want to engage in a bunch of online stoushes, so if it makes things easier, please feel free to get in touch and I'm happy to send you a bunch of sources you guys might be able to reference far better than I can ;) IsabelsPicnic (talk) 03:22, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Re: Symposium link that was deleted that was a PDF conference link from Deakin University, I'm at a loss as to what is more authoritative than the university itself. Alternatively, here is a link to the same conference from the British Council - though its is also a PDF so not sure how to add that.  - help appreciated. https://www.britishcouncil.org.au/sites/default/files/acmi_bowie_symposium_program_copy_final_2.pdf  IsabelsPicnic (talk) 03:22, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Better late than never--IsabelsPicnic, you are undoubtedly correct that way too many of the references in way too many articles are by men, and that needs to change. user:jmcgnh, yes, that Routledge link may be to a storefront, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Tanja Stark is the author of a chapter in a book published by Routledge, an eminently reliable publisher, and that citing such material in our articles should be encouraged. On the other hand, IsabelsPicnic, it's pretty clear who you are from edits like this, and the question "who are you" has validity, and so does Largoplazo's note. We cannot go around introducing material sourced to our own publications--it's unseemly, though I'd love to cite my own stuff all over the place. I can't go into all the things brought up here on this talk page though I'd be happy to respond to queries about individual edits or sources and weigh in on the matter. But the long and short of this is that if indeed most of your edits are to insert material sourced to your own work, you are effectively promoting your own work. Drmies (talk) 02:49, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hi there, IsabelsPicnic, and welcome to Women in Red. It's good to see you are interested in helping to improve the coverage of women in art and architecture. Before you create your first biography, I suggest you look through our Primer for creating women's biographies. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 09:49, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you 🙏🏼. I’m Slowing adding female citations in articles that have almost 100% male sources. Crazy to see articles with hundreds of academic references where not one is female. Wish me luck. IsabelsPicnic (talk) 22:10, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

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