User talk:Isarra/Archive 3

Trees in Boulder County
Heya! Boulder County have been spamming me about trees, thought you might be interested: recommended trees for Boulder. This is the native-plant-sale I was telling you about, but -- seeing as its not free -- I found these sales on cheap trees instead. Hope that helps! -- Gaurav (talk) 03:35, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Maaaan you make me wish I had non-lethal water. o__o It kills everything. Including trees. Buckets. -— Isarra ༆ 04:27, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You might be interested in the CU campus tree tour next Tuesday and Wednesday. I'll probably be going for the Tuesday one sans camera! -- Gaurav (talk) 02:32, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ooo, if my class that day gets out soon enough, I think I'll join you. But with a camera. You need a camera. I need a camera too, for that matter. -— Isarra ༆ 05:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Nonsense, I am 100% camera free! :-P. Also leaving town on Wednesday, so it's possible that craziness will intervene. But I'll try to be there! Hope to see you there! -- Gaurav (talk) 02:50, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, you'll find a way to make it. Unless you don't. Although I may not either... well, anyhow, hope the same, and man, are we sure of things here. -— Isarra ༆ 03:21, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

RfC
Nice ideas on cleaning up the edit window :) Kaldari (talk) 08:00, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Those were not my ideas, merely things stolen from other people and shoved in a GO LOOK AT THIS. Because, like, people should look at it. -— Isarra ༆ 08:32, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Smile
 Hello Isarra, I dream of horses @ has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a message on my talk page. @ 02:30, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Thanks for the thanks :)
Glad I could help with charinsert - I see it's more prominent now :) Sorry couldn't get it fully right the first time.

Do poke me if there's more gadget work I could do. Currently helping build out DRREFORM :) YuviPanda (talk) 18:35, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Eh, I think most of that was my fault, trying to change things... but anyhoo. And thank you; hopefully I'll remember that next time it's needed. Well, okay, around here it's pretty much always needed, but you know... -— Isarra ༆ 07:57, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 05:29, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

A new logo for the travel guide
As you appear to be very good at creating logos I would appreciate your suggestions. I have created a place for proposals here. The new sister project is to start in late Oct, 2012. Thanks Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 10:43, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd thank you for your flattery, but... nevermind that, I have to wonder - since you don't like keeping conversations in one place and I refuse to not keep conversations in one place unless forcibly dragged, does that mean I can say anything I feel like here and not have to worry about you seeing it and being bothered? -— Isarra ༆ 08:29, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Your user page is wonderful
I must say, that was quite an experience. Certainly not what I was expecting, although it's hard to say what I may have been expecting... Excellent indeed.

I apologize for missing your message, and the event. As you probably noticed, I've not been on here for a bit. I'm hoping to make a slow comeback of sorts. I do hope to make it to Wikipedia Loves Libraries.

I'll have to check out Uncyclopedia. Please continue to produce images. Ender and  Peter  01:27, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks. And no worries; there will always be more, indeed. WLL is one, and we should also be doing more social meetups at some point (and anything you can add to that to help sort things out would of course be appreciated). And hey, comebacks are good, especially when not involving explosions. And you don't seem terribly explosive. -— Isarra ༆ 08:35, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the stop sign.
I appreciate this, so thanks. I would like to think that one way to improve RfAs is to call out misrepresentations when you see them, but sometimes, you just have to pick your battles. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 07:54, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately calling these things out can often just make them worse, since that invites an argument... much care is required. -— Isarra ༆ 04:09, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse talkback
Hello, . Your question has been answered on the |Teahouse Q&A Board. Feel free to leave us a reply there! –– Anonymouse321 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's Collaborative
Pity I'm not fond of blogs, twitter, or facebook, since your aims I can certainly agree with... -— Isarra ༆ 17:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
-for saving my user page from vandalism. Lord Roem (talk) 14:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Anytime, love. -— Isarra ༆ 14:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Cuteness images
Please don't accuse me of personal attacks or lack of assumption of good faith -- or alternatively, please detail where I did either of those things, with diffs and verbatim quotes.

Most importantly, please never try to win an argument by pre-emptively accusing the other side of rule violations that never happened. It's simply despicable behavior, unbecoming of an ecyclopedia editor.

As far as your involvement on the talk page goes, please just wisen up. Sorry, that's all I can really say. Your "arguments" are non-existent, all the while you keep ignoring valid arguments to the contrary. It's tiresome. --195.14.220.127 (talk) 17:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I can only apologise for the perceived accusation, but this was indeed precisely what I was hoping to avoid from both of you with a polite reminder. Accusing someone of "trying to win an argument by pre-emptively accusing the other side of rule violations that never happened" is precisely not an assumption of good faith, nor is telling someone to wisen up and calling their "arguments" non-existent at all productive. If something is tiresome, then walk away. I will address your concerns with regard to the content on the talkpage in question, but if this is how you choose continue to interact then I will have no further part in it. -— Isarra ༆ 18:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You can not ever prevent incivility with a "pre-emptive reminder", as you are most likely well aware. To the contrary, it only ever starts fires and stokes the flames and distracts from the facts and arguments at hand.
 * Like I said, your arguments are non-existent. That is not a judgment call I'm making or an attack/ABF of any kind, it just happens to be a fact. Anyway, thanks for cutting out the unfounded accusations pre-emptive warnings. --78.35.240.228 (talk) 17:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It was unacceptable of you to re-add the image and to willfully ignore all of the policy-based arguments when you had none of your own. --213.168.117.135 (talk) 13:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Dismissing others out of hand does not justify any argument. I merely attempted to step in as an uninvolved editor; I do not know if you are intentionally trying to be difficult or not, but this situation is not one I can adequately address, so please do not continue trying to ague with me. -— Isarra ༆ 18:28, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves Norlin 2012
It is a thing: http://libpress.colorado.edu/?p=1583 -- I definitely need to get a move on on getting this news out there. Could you please remind me if you don't see progress on this by tomorrow? You'll have to ping me on chat, I don't check my Wikipedia user account nearly often enough. Also: any and all ideas for making this event more Wikipedia-friendly (associated editathon?) welcome! Thanks! -- Gaurav (talk) 07:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also the other thing. Wednesdays. 6. Yes. Figure that one out later, though. *collapses* -— Isarra ༆ 07:48, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement
By a vote of 9-1, the Arbitration Committee has passed the following motion:

Remedy 4 ("Malleus Fatuorum topic banned") of Civility Enforcement is vacated, and replaced with the following:

"Malleus is topic banned from making edits concerning the RFA process anywhere on the English Wikipedia. As an exception, he may ask questions of the candidates and express his own view on a candidate in a specific RFA (in the support, oppose, or neutral sections), but may not engage in any threaded discussions relating to RFA. An uninvolved admin may remove any comments in violation of this remedy, and may enforce it with blocks if necessary."

For the Arbitration Committee, --Lord Roem (talk) 19:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, adorably cute clerk person. -— Isarra ༆ 19:49, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Moni Ram Dewan
Hi there I see that you a movie in the filmography section " Moni Ram Dewan" where is it.......? Dr Bupen Hazarika composed two of the most memorable songs...The original version of Dil Hoom Hoom kore is one of them........Do u really have all the infos abt Bupen Da? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.62.209.100 (talk) 06:31, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I wouldn't know. If you have any verifiable information on this, however, please feel free too add it. -— Isarra ༆ 06:38, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Information
I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My 76 Strat  (talk) 10:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * HEEEEEE. I mean... I will endeavour to answer seriously. O_o -— Isarra ༆ 02:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your willingness. I hope the effort accomplishes some good. My goal is to encourage maximum participation so it will represent a wide range of considerations. I am pleased that yours will be included. My 76  Strat  (talk) 07:56, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, man, I hope it helps. -— Isarra ༆ 16:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

agin
I still troll around wp when I have one of those moments. You? ~  К3вину  ( RSVP ) ( What ) 21:03, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm here! I'm here! I'm still here and I haven't gone and I'm even quasi-paying attention! *bounces for emphasis* I am! I just don't really... well, do anything, is all. -— Isarra ༆ 23:54, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Whoo! You're awesome, man. -— Isarra ༆ 21:12, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

*Waves*
Hope your journey back was uneventful or at least positively influential. As to us, the cube area just isn't going to be the same; sadness. You're more than welcome to come back whenever; seems like it would be a heck of a lot of fun to hang with you over a weekend -- lots of fanged hams or somesuch. Still -- on a serious note -- look me up when you have an hour or so and I'll see what I can do to help you set up CentralNotice on uncyclopedia. (Do y'all run a caching service like varnish or squid? We didn't exactly design CN to be friendly to non cached sites; but it can still work; we might just have to disable some stuff.) Mwalker (WMF) (talk) 01:32, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Journey back was nice. The being back, not so nice, since now I need to catch up on all the stuff I neglected to do last week. Although speaking of the cube area... I appear to have left my laptop's power adaptor somewhere - could you be a dear and see if it's there? Or possibly in the Yongle room? It's a long lenovo brick. Somehow I managed to actually remember to take the DVD I was hurling across the office, but not the power cord that was both quite large and very firmly attached to my laptop. Go figure.
 * As for CentralNotice, that would be awesome. We do intend to set up varnish at some point, but we're not really there yet... chances are stuff is going to need disabling anyway, though. Eeps and such. Perhaps I should just poke you after that's done?
 * And thank you. For everything. -— Isarra ༆ 23:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hehe */me imagines large piles of teetering projects that one has to dodge*. Yep -- power brick was 'safely' attached to the wall still. Does HR have your address? I can have them ship it out to you.
 * Hurm; the two CN things that currently REALLY rely on Varnish being present is the banner impression recorder and the GeoIP lookup. GeoIP can be easily stubbed to just provide the country 'XX' (or we could add server load to you and run the PHP library for it). And the banner impression recorder can also just be hacked out. CN core isn't all that heavy but it will be at least one additional page request per page view -- so you're probably looking at, via aerial extraction, 10~15% additional load. Totally your call to make on if you can deploy it now or need to wait till later.
 * I'm marginally familiar with the WMF cluster's purge method for Varnish and have experience setting it up in general if what y'all are missing is the domain knowledge there. Can't help you much if what you're missing is the hardware.
 * Even thanks for the marginal spaghetti? :p 18:44, 28 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwalker (WMF) (talk • contribs)
 * Right, so I hear the power cord was sent. Excellent.
 * Those CN things don't seem terribly important, but the load seems potentially alarming. If I knew more about what that actually meant it might be more or less than potentially, however. We also may or may not have hardware - depending on what you mean by hardware. We do have some random servers, is that what you mean? They kind of suck, though. Domain knowledge, however, is definitely lacking, so anything you could do there would be much appreciated. Perhaps we shall have to get you into a certain channel on IRC so we can coordinate this better...
 * And yes, the spaghetti too. It was good - food, edible, tasty, not the consistency of slime mold... what more could one want? Molasses? -— Isarra ༆ 02:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

A kitten you just killed.
Look at that server kitty you just killed by making me post to your talk page.

Legoktm (talk) 07:09, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Dead kitty? :<  ·Add§hore·  T alk T o M e ! 07:22, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * What, are we huffing kittens now? -— Isarra ༆ 08:53, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Cats knead and destroy clothing and souls. Killiondude (talk) 05:59, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Glowing pancakes
Hi Isarra! I just noticed your edits to User talk:Legoktm. Now that you have outed yourself as being the owner of the account User:Glowing pancakes, it's probably a good idea to declare it on your user page and/or Glowing pancakes' user page, possibly by using public user, User alternative account name or something similar. While users are permitted to have unidentified alternative accounts for privacy purposes, this can look suspicious to checkusers if any issues should come up. If you create any other accounts for privacy purposes, you could consider identifying yourself by email to the Arbitration Committee, or to a checkuser who you trust. Before you create any more accounts, I recommend you make a close reading of the sockpuppetry policy, as it may save you significant headaches down the road. Let me know if any of this is unclear, and I'll be happy to clarify. Best — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 08:27, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. Is that a template? -— Isarra ༆ 08:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * No, that was really me typing on my keyboard. :P Maybe a sign that I've been on Wikipedia too long? — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 09:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Clearly you have been plugged in sufficiently long to have been fully assimilated. -— Isarra ༆ 09:40, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * OH POWERS ABOVE SO THAT'S WHY MY PANCAKES THIS MORNING WERE GLOWING Icy  // ♫ 14:20, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a conspiracy. Also part of the assimilation process. -— Isarra ༆ 16:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

your revert
Why did you revert my edit removing the Interwiki links? Is there any agreement not using the data provided from Wikidata now? -- 109.48.74.139 (talk) 01:55, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I must not have gotten the memo. Such in the past has been a common form of vandalism. Sorry about that. -— Isarra ༆ 16:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Name of event is trade marked "Shell Eco-Marathon"
Hi Isarra, we are the official organizers of the Shell Eco-Marathon. there is no event called just Eco-Marathon. The correct name is Shell Eco-Marathon. It is trademarked and referenced in our main Shell Eco Marathon site. Plz let us know if you have any questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.57.212.12 (talk) 14:55, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. -— Isarra ༆ 16:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Recent edits to the Ricky Ford wikipedia page (english language)
Hi, I see you have undone my edits on the Ricky Ford Wikipedia page. I am actually working as a community manager for the French association Ze Big Band []. It is a French big band which is playing with Ricky Ford since nearly 10 years. They now released 2 albums together (the second one is coming out in march 2013). So I wanted to add these 2 albums to Ricky's discography. Also, since he is now working with Ze Big Band, I thought it was logical that the Ze Big Band site would be referenced in the Ricky Ford Wikipedia page. My work, after this, is to create a French Ricky Ford Wikipedia page (since he lives and plays in France), and a Ze Big Band Wikipedia page. All of this work is, of course, authorized by Ricky Ford himself.

Do you understand the reason of such change ? I'm, of course, open to any of your observations.

Sincerely yours, Karl-William Sherlaw (community manager for Ze Big Band association)82.67.116.193 (talk) 16:27, 15 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.67.116.193 (talk) 13:35, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, looks like that one might have been an accident. Looking back now, I don't see any problem with your edits, and have restored them. -— Isarra ༆ 21:54, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

This is an apple nectarine pie.

 * Yes, hello. -— Isarra ༆ 01:06, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Some sushi for you!

 * Me? Eat you? Why would I eat you? I'm not the one that unhinges its jaws and swallows toasters whole; that's my cat over there.
 * ...and sushi! Yay! -— Isarra ༆ 05:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

0_0
I just noticed on your contributions and I saw some thing that you reverted a lot of edits by a single user on multiple articles and dogs. ??? iTAC   ཏལྐ་   ཝོརྐ་  02:48, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * What about it? -— Isarra ༆ 03:40, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

March 2013
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — T13  ( C • M • Click to learn how to view this signature as intended )

Notification
This is a notification to let you know you are not unbannable and you are now my sworn wiki-enemy for a period of no less than sixty (60) days. During this period, drama will ensue and you should regularly check Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents for a discussion thread I've started about you. To my newest enemy, Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  22:53, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You should know full well to notify anyone about whom you start a thread on ANI, or even anyone remotely related to a thread you start. To not do so is tantamount to scary things, and as such I may rest contented that I need not go out of my way to track your actions because if you do anything entirely obtuse other people will notice and bludgeon you for me. I may not be too pretty to ban in practice, but I am too lazy to do anything particularly bannable. Good day, my dear enemy.
 * PS - I wasn't kidding about starting a distracting VPT thread if needed. I have many very distracting, amazingly polarising topics I could potentially propose if it came to it. Consider this a threat. -— Isarra ༆ 23:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I know you do, and I do consider this a threat, of which I will remain butthurt for the rest of the evening about. Back to the subject at hand, my bludgeoning will not be taken lightly, as I have my own cabal of followers who will quickly swoop in and take any action upon me to ArbCom. There I will coerce you into a tizzy, and hopefully you will do something which I can properly propose a full site ban. Too pretty to ban, indeed! Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  23:21, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, are you retorting with threats? I should wonder that the civility policy does not cover this explicitly, but you should know if it continues it may very well constitute hounding - and in such case it may prove you who is banned, not I.
 * Incidentally my cabal is bigger. -— Isarra ༆ 23:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Your cabal is only bigger because I am not as pretty, according to you of course! Civility be damned, if it takes hounding to set an editor straight, then so be it. You are officially being watch by me and many others, and you will be mercilessly hounded for anything as small as a grammatical error. Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  23:45, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we should see what Wikipediocracy has to say about you. -— Isarra ༆ 23:50, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No, no, we don't have to go there for their opinion. Our fellow editors here could chime in, but I feel like I'd get more positive reception at either forum. Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  23:57, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Please, you are trying to detract from the matter at hand. Your baseless threats and accusations cannot so easily be swept aside, and indeed have been entirely inappropriate. Attempt to boomerang me all you like, but this has gotten out of hand and I will not sit idly by while you continue to so harass me. -— Isarra ༆ 00:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The issue of your canvassing on IRC will not be taken lightly, and my reaction is fully justified for it. It was disgusting violation, really. I'll spare everyone the details and take my leave, for now. Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  00:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because your account is being used only for vandalism. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Legoktm (talk) 08:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * This was completely inappropriate and I commend Zombiebaron for lifting a clearly mistaken ban. As for you, legoktm, were I not so tired it would be straight to ANI with you, as this sort of trigger-happy brainlessness is exactly what is wrong with Wikipedia, folks jumping into things without getting the whole story just to say they did something whoohoo! Don't let me ever catch you doing that again. -— Isarra ༆ 18:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I commend Legoktm for his perfectly valid block after I went to him by the mailing list and feed him the information. He was uninvolved, there was nothing wrong with that block! Zombiebaron should be warned for wheel-warring and should probably resign his bit. As for you, tread carefully, Isarra. Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  18:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Calling an established user a 'vandalism-only account' is never a valid block reason - and if you have civility concerns, that's frankly your problem. Civility blocks are entirely unsupported by the community as a whole, so grow a thicker skin, please, or alternately bring up the specific issue(s) with me directly - I promise to at least read it before dismissing you entirely. -— Isarra ༆ 18:43, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * If she's gone, may I have her lunch? --evrik (talk) 14:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I resent the insinuation that banned users cannot have lunch. This is a clear attack on my... uh... lunch. -— Isarra ༆ 19:46, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Here, since your lunch was under attack, I've supplied you with some humble pie with Wikilove. Don't choke. ;) Regards, — Moe   Epsilon  01:44, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you insinuating something? -— Isarra ༆ 00:23, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Notanotification: this Notfiction thread officially cheered me out of a grumble with an emotional tripletake, but left me in a good mood and well-supplied with nectarine. So I will not report the flagrantly camouflaged policy violations therembedded. Sj (talk) 04:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That pie will be taken to arbcom for its gross inability to function with the community. I hope you can camouflage your own involvement with it or this could prove to be a very unfortunate situation for you as well, unrelated policy violations or no. -— Isarra ༆ 21:54, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

your closing at WT:NOT
Hi,

Your closing has missed the point that both the proponents and the opponents of deprecating the redirect were opposed to this motion. The motion proposed to phase out WP:NOTNEWS with WP:NOT#NEWS as an alternative, which mis-represents the need as a style concern. So proponents of deprecation had reason to oppose this motion. On the other hand, opponents of deprecation seemed motivated, and we now know that these voices exist and have good reasons. Perhaps I should have challenged this RfC as a WP:POINT from the start, but I was content at the time to defeat the motion. And since I am not an admin, how should I have gone about making such a challenge? I don't know what happens next, but at a minimum I request that your closing reflect the full nature of the consensus at this RfC, which included a silent opposition. Thanks, Unscintillating (talk) 09:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Isarra's closing statement seemed to state the consensus, i.e. that the shortcut should not be deprecated, without guessing at the motives behind each comment. However, even if you take that into account, you have at most one other editor who opposed (Binksternet, and I'm not sure that's what they're saying) who may agree that the perceived misuse is grounds for deprecation, so consensus is still clearly in favour of the shortcut. There may be a "silent opposition", but if they don't speak up, trying to represent them in the closing statement amounts to a supervote. Given the above, I think her close was appropriate. wctaiwan (talk) 09:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * But in the closing, Isarra said nothing at all about the motion that was being discussed. I was a part of the viewpoint that prevailed.  What should I do in the future so that my viewpoint is not ignored by the closer?  I'm ok with your objection to the words "silent opposition", but the WP:POINT issue remains unaddressed.   Unscintillating (talk) 03:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * What wctaiwan said. While the proposal itself probably could have been worded better and whatnot, I closed it based on what was there, which is really all anyone can do. You could probably start a more specific discussion or some such regarding your own concerns, but I don't expect others would be terribly pleased so soon after this one, as ideally such issues should have been brought up during it. -— Isarra ༆ 16:41, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, your closing has already noted that the discussion was missing the proponents for deprecation. I'm not interested in changing anything right now or starting any new discussions.  My concern is that if and when this topic comes back to the forefront, your closing will not reflect what actually happened.  Thanks, Unscintillating (talk) 03:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Did my closing in some way not reflect what happened this time? -— Isarra ༆ 04:34, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The answer IMO is "yes", but I don't understand why you are asking. Maybe you missed part of my last response, which had two sections.  Regards, Unscintillating (talk) 11:59, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Honestly I'm not sure what you're saying here. You seem to be suggesting that something pointy is going on (and if so, what's the point? What's the disruption?), and that you were ignored? Of the overall outcome of the straw poll, what wasn't reflected in my close? I didn't go into specifics, it's true, but many different points were brought up, most fairly relevant, and discussion all of them in a close should not be necessary. -— Isarra ༆ 18:10, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I was one of eleven oppose !votes in the straw poll, and your close says nothing about the result of the straw poll It has become more obvious to me that we have different knowledge sets regarding WP:POINT. The paragraph at WP:POINTy helps explain the issue, saying, "..."POINTy" behavior is making edits...for the...purpose of drawing opposition."  But maybe an example would help, I found this example.  Unscintillating (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. -— Isarra ༆ 00:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thank you again.
 * The woman was replaced. April is being a horrible month so I put the shark there instead, but forgot to update the blurb. -— Isarra ༆ 01:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Request for Spanish version of Wikimedia logo
Hi, Isarra!

Are you interested in making a Spanish version of File:Wikimedia us.svg? The name in Spanish is "Coalición Estadounidense de Wikimedia".

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 22:52, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Sure we can't put EEUU on it instead of Estadounidense, though? -— Isarra ༆ 00:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Although traditionally the 'Wikimedia' part comes first regardless of language... -— Isarra ༆ 00:05, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can make a version that says EEUU :) Thank you! WhisperToMe (talk) 02:28, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. -— Isarra ༆ 18:25, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * What? What'd I do? What? -— Isarra ༆ 16:59, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool update
Hey Isarra. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 21:37, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * BAHAHAHAHAHA. -— Isarra ༆ 22:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That said, in case you actually do see this, I should point out that I am glad this has been addressed. Just seems kind of funny to me that it happened in the first place. -— Isarra ༆ 04:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

TWA navigation center
Hey, thanks much for you help on the navigation centering. I was wondering if you could help do the same on the other nav template: TWA/Navigation Cheers! Ocaasit &#124; c 18:31, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. While it's usually best to avoid using tags like if you can, templates like center can be tripped up by floating | thingies, so you need to replace those with '&#38;#124;' with that. Explicitly declaring the content parameter for the template (1=) was apparently also needed here, though I'm not sure why. -— Isarra ༆ 19:34, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Isarra, one more question for you. The fix works great on Chrome, but on Firefox I'm seeing this: http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9536/ei4w.png Any idea how we can fix that?  Cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 21:25, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * What's the page? -— Isarra ༆ 21:26, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry. It's this page: TWA/1/Bio, which uses this  background: TWA/Background/4, which contains this navigation bar: Template:TWA/Navigation.  Thanks, Ocaasit &#124; c 21:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'ma go out on a limb and say whaaaaat? Poking, though. Poking. -— Isarra ༆ 21:34, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Er, I think that fixed it, but since I changed the table you might want to make sure I didn't break anything else. Sorry, got to run now. -— Isarra ༆ 21:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Since you didn't know what a Boston Cream Pie is...
I'll have to oppose...

Nah, I really just want to give you a recipe. It's also known as a Boston Cream Cake SirFozzie (talk) 10:14, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ooo, that looks delicious. I'd have to find a recipe that doesn't expect premixed cake unless I want to put real thought into it (which is annoying), but... hmm. Yessss. -— Isarra ༆ 17:09, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Try this one. No cake mix involved ;) SirFozzie (talk) 18:55, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, now that looks doable. Even better than the shortbread cheesecake idea... -— Isarra ༆ 20:27, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Giant inflatable catfish
Yep. ~ Frosty  ( Talk page )  09:44, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I see your inflatable catfish and raise you a rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle. -— Isarra ༆ 21:08, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

A few things
We've never spoken much, and not here at all, but you may remember unblocking my IP address. I will always be grateful to you for that.

So there are a few things that I think should be done on some Uncyclomedia projects, and I think you're in a position to do them so I'm going to ask you to. And you're here sometimes, and I'm here sometimes, and I feel safe here. It's not totally crazy. There are rules and stuff, and you can't break them or else. I hope it's ok that I'm contacting you here and I hope I'm not just being a big waste of time. I don't want to bother anyone.
 * The global interwiki prefix. There are some pages on illogicopedia whose titles began with w: and were linked from MediaWiki:Anontalkpagetext, and now the links go to nonexistent pages on wikipedia. You can still see those pages here and here. I think either the prefix should be removed or the pages should be moved, and I'm not sure how you move the pages when the interwiki prefix exists; it says there's no target.
 * Diff styling. MediaWiki:Common.css has a piece of code that makes diffs not look 'ugly'. Now that we're not on carlb's servers and have a newer mediawiki, the default diff styles should look like the ones on wikipedia. I don't think this is ugly enough to merit custom diff coding, so could you please remove the code?
 * Interwiki prefixes to Uncyclopedia and UnMeta. There are some links on illogicopedia that start with but turn red because there's no prefix (the prefix is u:), and there's no interwiki prefix for UnMeta. Are you willing to add  as a global prefix for uncyc and  or unmeta: as a prefix for UnMeta? It would make things easier.
 * This (particularly this section), this and this (all about the same person, if it's not immediately clear). I can't deal with it. I don't know if you can either but I really hope someone can and I thought maybe you might.

Also, I saw your this. I think it's funny because I understand what ANI is and I know about the My sojourn series. I think you should put it up on Uncyclopedia. I put up a page about Wikipedia unblock requests and it got featured. I'm not as good at wikipedia as you are though. You should have been an arbitrator. They need more pie. Cathfolant (talk) 00:09, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Why are you asking me about completely unrelated projects on this project? This project is this project. Like, its own project and stuff. If you have something about a different project, you should ask on that project, and if the notifications ain't working, then send an email directly.
 * Glad you like the sojourn thing, though. And you can still send the arbitrators pie, you know. Just don't give them cause to think you might be trying to bribe them. -— Isarra ༆ 07:02, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Cathfolant (talk) 03:10, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

A Kim?
Why didn't I know/remember you were a Kim? I'm totally a fan of all Kims, for some strange reason. O:-) --Kim Bruning (talk) 19:20, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't necessarily introduce myself as such, among other things. And yes, very inexplicable. -— Isarra ༆ 19:46, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

"I AM META"
...HEAR ME ROAR!--v/r - TP 22:43, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * YES. -— Isarra ༆ 22:45, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

TOADS
HELLO FELO WIKIPEDO I AM INQUIRY. OF WHAT SCRIPT SHALT I IMPLEMENT A TOAD? --DSA510   Pls No H8 06:40, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * You worry me. -— Isarra ༆ 08:13, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * *tips multicolored strapon* --DSA510   Pls No H8 08:31, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

QVFD
Hi Lyrithya. I have an account now.

Please delete


 * User talk:68.173.113.106 and subpages
 * User:68.173.113.106 and subpages

including the redirects (but not the pages they redirect to). Thanks, and happy 2015! Qzekrom (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Isarra isn't an admin here. You should probably ask someone else. wctaiwan (talk) 21:42, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * What wctaiwan said, but you can and probably should use wp:CSD templates to request their deletions. Probably wp:u1 or something. -— Isarra ༆ 22:32, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Just marked everything. Problem is I have some userboxes that people are still using. Is it fine to delete the redirect? Qzekrom (talk) 01:12, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Uncyclopedia? In my Wikipedia? --DSA510   <SPAN STYLE="font-family: 'Ubuntu'; color: blue">Pls No RE</SPAN> 01:22, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If they're only using a redirect that'll be deleted, you could helpfully update their pages to use the thing directly so they aren't affected. -— Isarra ༆ 01:40, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X
Hi Isarra: Don't forget to Join the project. I recommend that you place your user name atop, because you are one of the founders the project! N ORTH A MERICA 1000 18:01, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Heh, point taken, and done. -— Isarra ༆ 20:41, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 1
Hi! Thank you for subscribing to the WikiProject X Newsletter. For our first issue...

'''Has WikiProject X changed the world yet? No.'''

We opened up shop last month and announced our existence to the world. Our first phase is the "research" phase, consisting mostly of reading and listening. We set up our landing page and started collecting stories. So far, 28 stories have been shared about WikiProjects, describing a variety of experiences across numerous WikiProjects. A recurring story involves a WikiProject that starts off strong but has trouble continuing to stay active. Most people describe using WikiProjects as a way to get feedback from other editors. Some quotes:
 * "Working on requested articles, utilising the reliable sources section, and having an active WikiProject to ask questions in really helped me learn how to edit Wikipedia and looking back I don't know how long I would have stayed editing without that project." – Sam Walton on WikiProject Video Games
 * "I believe that the main problem of the Wikiprojects is that they are complicated to use. There should be a a much simpler way to check what do do, what needs to be improved etc." – Tetra quark
 * "In the late 2000s, WikiProject Film tried to emulate WP:MILHIST in having coordinators and elections. Unfortunately, this was not sustainable and ultimately fell apart." – Erik

Of course, these are just anecdotes. While they demonstrate what is possible, they do not necessarily explain what is typical. We will be using this information in conjunction with a quantitative analysis of WikiProjects, as documented on Meta. Particularly, we are interested in the measurement of WikiProject activity as it relates to overall editing in that WikiProject's subject area.

We also have 50 people and projects signed up for pilot testing, which is an excellent start! (An important caveat: one person volunteering a WikiProject does not mean the WikiProject as a whole is interested; just that there is at least one person, which is a start.)

While carrying out our research, we are documenting the problems with WikiProjects and our ideas for making WikiProjects better. Some ideas include better integration of existing tools into WikiProjects, recommendations of WikiProjects for people to join, and improved coordination with Articles for Creation. These are just ideas that may or may not make it to the design phase; we will see. We are also working with WikiProject Council to improve the directory of WikiProjects, with the goal of a reliable, self-updating WikiProject directory. Stay tuned! If you have any ideas, you are welcome to leave a note on our talk page.

That's all for now. Thank you for subscribing!

– Harej 17:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 2
For this month's issue...

Making sense of a lot of data.

Work on our prototype will begin imminently. In the meantime, we have to understand what exactly we're working with. To this end, we generated a list of 71 WikiProjects, based on those brought up on our Stories page and those who had signed up for pilot testing. For those projects where people told stories, we coded statements within those stories to figure out what trends there were in these stories. This approach allowed us to figure out what Wikipedians thought of WikiProjects in a very organic way, with very little by way of a structure. (Compare this to a structured interview, where specific questions are asked and answered.) This analysis was done on 29 stories. Codes were generally classified as "benefits" (positive contributions made by a WikiProject to the editing experience) and "obstacles" (issues posed by WikiProjects, broadly speaking). Codes were generated as I went along, ensuring that codes were as close to the original data as possible. Duplicate appearances of a code for a given WikiProject were removed.

We found 52 "benefit" statements encoded and 34 "obstacle" statements. The most common benefit statement referring to the project's active discussion and participation, followed by statements referring to a project's capacity to guide editor activity, while the most common obstacles made reference to low participation and significant burdens on the part of the project maintainers and leaders. This gives us a sense of WikiProjects' big strength: they bring people together, and can be frustrating to editors when they fail to do so. Meanwhile, it is indeed very difficult to bring editors together on a common interest; in the absence of a highly motivated core of organizers, the technical infrastructure simply isn't there.

We wanted to pair this qualitative study with quantitative analysis of a WikiProject and its "universe" of pages, discussions, templates, and categories. To this end I wrote a script called ProjAnalysis which will, for a given WikiProject page (e.g. WikiProject Star Trek) and WikiProject talk-page tag (e.g. Template:WikiProject Star Trek), will give you a list of usernames of people who edited within the WikiProject's space (the project page itself, its talk page, and subpages), and within the WikiProject's scope (the pages tagged by that WikiProject, excluding the WikiProject space pages). The output is an exhaustive list of usernames. We ran the script to analyze our test batch of WikiProjects for edits between March 1, 2014 and February 28, 2015, and we subjected them to further analysis to only include those who made 10+ edits to pages in the projects' scope, those who made 4+ edits to the projects' space, and those who made 10+ edits to pages in scope but not 4+ edits to pages in the projects' space. This latter metric gives us an idea of who is active in a certain subject area of Wikipedia, yet who isn't actively engaging on the WikiProject's pages. This information will help us prioritize WikiProjects for pilot testing, and the ProjAnalysis script in general may have future life as an application that can be used by Wikipedians to learn about who is in their community.

Complementing the above two studies are a design analysis, which summarizes the structure of the different WikiProject spaces in our test batch, and the comprehensive census of bots and tools used to maintain WikiProjects, which will be finished soon. With all of this information, we will have a game plan in place! We hope to begin working with specific WikiProjects soon.

As a couple of asides...


 * Database Reports has existed for several years on Wikipedia to the satisfaction of many, but many of the reports stopped running when the Toolserver was shut off in 2014. However, there is good news: the weekly New WikiProjects and WikiProjects by Changes reports are back, with potential future reports in the future.
 * WikiProject X has an outpost on Wikidata! Check it out. It's not widely publicized, but we are interested in using Wikidata as a potential repository for metadata about WikiProjects, especially for WikiProjects that exist on multiple Wikimedia projects and language editions.

That's all for now. Thank you for subscribing! If you have any questions or comments, please share them with us.

Harej (talk) 01:43, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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~  К3вину  ( RSVP ) ( What ) 21:26, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm down a cat. I can't decode this. -— Isarra ༆ 05:30, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The not a cat decoded it and I'm not sure what to do. Which end do the bullets go in? -— Isarra ༆ 06:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Calling all WikiProject X members!
Hello fellow member! WikiProject X needs your help!

We studied the various needs that WikiProjects have, and have come up with some ideas for our first round of WikiProject tool development. These include:
 * An automatically updated WikiProject directory that surfaces WikiProject-related metrics and automatically generates a list of active participants and potential members;
 * A lightweight, optional alternative to WikiProject banners, featuring an option to quickly send a message to the named WikiProjects;
 * A tool that bootstraps WikiProjects; and
 * A worklist generation script for WikiProjects

We are now looking for volunteer coders to work on these projects. If you are interested in developing these tools, or if you would to volunteer for other tasks, check out our new volunteers portal. Thank you for your help!

Cheers, Harej (talk) 20:38, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 3
Greetings! For this month's issue...

We have demos!

After a lengthy research and design process, we decided for WikiProject X to focus on two things:
 * A WikiProject workflow that focuses on action items: discussions you can participate in and tasks you can perform to improve the encyclopedia; and
 * An automatically updating WikiProject directory that gives you lists of users participating in the WikiProject and editing in that subject area.

We have a live demonstration of the new WikiProject workflow at WikiProject Women in Technology, a brand new WikiProject that was set up as an adjunct to a related edit-a-thon in Washington, DC. The goal is to surface action items for editors, and we intend on doing that through automatically updated working lists. We are looking into using SuggestBot to generate lists of outstanding tasks, and we are looking into additional options for automatic worklist generation. This takes the burden off of WikiProject editors to generate these worklists, though there is also a "requests" section for Wikipedians to make individual requests. (As of writing, these automated lists are not yet live, so you will see a blank space under "edit articles" on the demo WikiProject. Sorry about that!) I invite you to check out the WikiProject and leave feedback on WikiProject X's talk page.

Once the demo is sufficiently developed, we will be working on a limited deployment on our pilot WikiProjects. We have selected five for the first round of testing based on the highest potential for impact and will scale up from there.

While a re-designed WikiProject experience is much needed, that alone isn't enough. A WikiProject isn't any good if people have no way of discovering it. This is why we are also developing an automatically updated WikiProject directory. This directory will surface project-related metrics, including a count of active WikiProject participants and of active editors in that project's subject area. The purpose of these metrics is to highlight how active the WikiProject is at the given point of time, but also to highlight that project's potential for success. The directory is not yet live but there is a demonstration featuring a sampling of WikiProjects.

Each directory entry will link to a WikiProject description page which automatically list the active WikiProject participants and subject-area article editors. This allows Wikipedians to find each other based on the areas they are interested in, and this information can be used to revive a WikiProject, start a new one, or even for some other purpose. These description pages are not online yet, but they will use this template, if you want to get a feel of what they will look like.

We need volunteers!

WikiProject X is a huge undertaking, and we need volunteers to support our efforts, including testers and coders. Check out our volunteer portal and see what you can do to help us!

As an aside...

Wouldn't it be cool if lists of requested articles could not only be integrated directly with WikiProjects, but also shared between WikiProjects? Well, we got the crazy idea of having experimental software feature Flow deployed (on a totally experimental basis) on the new Article Request Workshop, which seeks to be a place where editors can "workshop" article ideas before they get created. It uses Flow because Flow allows, essentially, section-level categorization, and in the future will allow "sections" (known as "topics" within Flow) to be included across different pages. What this means is that you have a recommendation for a new article tagged by multiple WikiProjects, allowing for the recommendation to appear on lists for each WikiProject. This will facilitate inter-WikiProject collaboration and will help to reduce duplicated work. The Article Request Workshop is not entirely ready yet due to some bugs with Flow, but we hope to integrate it into our pilot WikiProjects at some point.

Harej (talk) 00:57, 19 April 2015 (UTC)