User talk:Ishwasafish/G4@MIA

MIA= G4 hub

 * They have aircraft that are based in MIA (don't stay for long, but there are a couple of MD80's that overnight). Why would it not be a hub?  I can understand PGD not being a hub as well as MYR because they don't have aircraft that overnight. -RokinRyan  —Preceding unsigned comment added by RokinRyan (talk • contribs) 02:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * From the focus city page: In the airline industry, a focus city is a location that is not a hub, but from which the airline has non-stop flights to several destinations other than its hubs. Just because aircraft stay overnight there doesn't mean its a focus city. Also, G4 doesn't even serve MIA unless its a Cuban Charter!  Ishwasafishclick here!!!  13:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * G4 has aircraft dedicated to its MIA hub. Maybe to end this arguement, why doesn't someone add a focus city list to G4's page. RokinRyan (talk) 00:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see these links:, , , , , , and . None of them list MIA as anything important to G4. There is a focus city list in G4's page. The only reason there are aircraft based at MIA is because they are only used for flying to Cuba. No mainline service to MIA. Having aircraft overnight is no indicator of a hub. Say a flight on F9 flies from DEN to DTW, arriving at midnight. The aircraft then must stay overnight at DTW, for passengers to board the plane again at 6:30 AM to fly back to DEN. Yes the F9 plane stayed overnight at DTW, but DTW isn't a hub or focus city for F9. Hub or focus city can only be indicated by number of destinations served from the airport, or frequency of flights to an from the airport.  Ishwasafishclick here!!!  13:05, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Tunica is a base, yet it also isn't on the route map. A base is a base is a base. RokinRyan (talk) 04:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Where does it say that Tunica is a base??? Do even have any sources for your claims? I will not even remotely agree that MIA is a focus city for G4 until you can find sources for your claim that they keep aircraft based there. Even then, that is not an indicator of focus city or hub status. As explained above: even though there may be an F9 aircraft overnight at DTW, it still isn't a hub. Do you have any other reasons? Now, UTM can't be a focus city either just because aircraft are based there. In the UTM article it specifically says that the basing of aircraft there is part of the charter contract with Harrah's Entertainment. I wish other editors would comment on the G4 talk page, where I have posted this discussion.  Ishwasafishclick here!!!  13:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't even get why you would use an example such as F9 in DTW. Maybe other editors don't comment on your G4 posts is because they don't agree with you. RokinRyan (talk) 19:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well its hard for them to comment on them when someone removes them. That was your IP you used to remove it. That could be considered abusive sockpuppetry. And it was an example, I could have used any combination of airline and airport for that, it would have made the same point. Please provide a reliable reference that says that MIA is a hub/focus city for G4. Did you look at the links I provided you? You are beating around the bush so to speak.  Ishwasafishclick here!!!  19:41, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Listen, If Allegiant has planes based @ MIA, what doesn't make that a hub? I am getting tired of this. Let's have it reverted to it having MIA on there. If someone else changes it out, fine. Or we could have someone who runs the website sort this out, it is up to you. RokinRyan (talk) 01:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC
 * First of all, thank you for discussing this. What doesn't make it a hub is that there are significantly fewer destinations served out of MIA than G4's focus cities. In addition, they are all charters, in a fixed-fee contract with the US government, completely separate from their usual scheduled services. I have asked for their opinion on this discussion.  Ishwasafishclick here!!!   01:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll leave it up to. I just want this to be over, lol. RokinRyan (talk) 02:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks all. Let's start with airline hub which says An airline hub is an airport that an airline uses as a transfer point to get passengers to their intended destination.  I'll add that while not stated in the intro, cargo flights can also use hubs.  There is nothing that I see in there about a hub being based around where aircraft are based.  Some airlines don't define any hubs, WN being one.  So with 233 departures our of Las Vegas, it is considered a focus city and not a hub.  They also overnight a number of planes and based on the last time I talked to a crew, they have crew base there.  Now getting back to the question at hand.  This simply comes down to what criteria are there for this being a hub?  The airline, as far as I can tell does not label any airport as a hub including Las Vegas its 'base' and largest operation (I think).  Our definition of a focus city is a location that is not a hub, but from which the airline has non-stop flights to several destinations other than its hubs.


 * So, lacking any reliable sources that MIA or any other airport is a hub, I would say that it is not a hub. I will add that this week I did scan a few of the 10K and similar reports to see if they considered LAS as a hub and could not find support for any hubs.  So in my opinion there are no hubs that G4 uses.  One other point to consider.  G4 runs only direct flights.  If you fly into PHX or LAS and are continuing to another location, you need to deplane, get your checked luggage and then check in for the next flight.  That pretty much says that they don't use hubs.  And finally charters are a special case and I see no way where those aircraft are based could be considered as a hub.  As a base, maybe, but not a hub or a focus city. Hope this helps.  Vegaswikian (talk) 06:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! I have gone in and changed the article.  Ishwasafishclick here!!!  12:47, 23 August 2009 (UTC)