User talk:Islander/Archive 11

Vandalism of iPod touch article
Hi, there is an issue with vandalism of the iPod touch article regarding the 3.0 release. Your help would be appreciated. Photographerguy (talk) 02:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Got it - thanks for the heads-up :). Talk Islander 10:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Now that the offending user Ethanpilot787 has been blocked I think it would be safe to unprotect the iPod touch article. Photographerguy (talk) 20:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No - there's nothing to stop him continuing with an IP. The protection can continue for its duration. Talk Islander 21:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, you're right.... Photographerguy (talk) 21:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

FPMSB
Another sockpuppet account of GMTV chart show. Please look through FPMSB's contributions, Thank you. HMR 21:02, 02 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy regarding copying from one article to another?
I recently added an iPhone OS section to the Mac OS X article. AlistairMcMillan reverted the change and told me not to copy and paste from article to article (here is the diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mac_OS_X&curid=20640&diff=268152965&oldid=268142457). Is this official wikipedia policy? And (if you're interested) what is you're opinion about including an iPhone OS section in the Mac OS X article? (see talk: Mac OS X. Thanks. Photographerguy (talk) 01:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Cut and pasting is frowned upon, yes. This template gives the reasons. As for my opinion on the inclusion, I'm afraid I haven't had a chance to look at the situation properly. Talk Islander 09:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Strange Flow
Hi, Islander, how are you? I was wondering about why you requested to delete an article I just wrote, about the musician, "Strange Flow," because of the significance. It's significant, I think, because it reflects breakcore as a musical genre going in new directions, and shows how modern music styles are blending together in new and sometimes unpredictable ways. I saw that I have to have references, but it's hard to reference a newspaper article or magazine clipping becuase alot of these newer breakcore musicians and producers don't have much written on them unless tens of millions of people know about them. When he made music under the moniker Static Quo, there was an impact on some of the scene, but no wiki page. Randomatik Blast or oxygenfad or two other notable figures of the scene, but don't get much recognition, despite tens of thousands of people loving their music. I don't understand what I have to prove about Strange Flow or anyone else I want to write about beyond what I've just mentioned. Should I just mention on the site the things I just mentioned to you just now? Will00000001 (talk) 22:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That would help, yes. Unfortunately, as the person adding the information, the onus is on you to prove notability, by providing citations to reliable third-party sources. Without these, your article is likely to fail to meet the requirements of WP:A7, the criteria for speedy deletion that I deleted your article on. I'm sorry, I can quite see that to someone who doesn't understand the little nuances of Wikipedia deletions may seem somewhat random, but there are certain rules for inclusion that must be followed. I thank you for remaining civil over this issue, unlike others below :). Talk Islander 09:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Page Deletion
Well, I am the next person in the queue to suffer from your random page deletion. Your reason was simply inadequate; Barack Paper Scissors is THE game to play on YouTube and why the hell should it not have an article is beyond me. Thousands of people play it, it's the one thing I looked up in Wikipedia expecting an article, and many other people will, upset it wasn't there.

To be honest, thanks these ridiculous 'nothing about internet' rules, there is just no new page to make. Totally horrible, totally random. Littlelaurence (talk) 07:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * ...and totally in line with Wikipedia policy. Please see WP:A7 - you failed to demonstrate how your article was notable. Talk Islander 09:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of PNO Consultants
A few days ago, you deleted the topic PNO Consultants, a leading consultancy bureau in the Netherlands, and a significant player in consultancy in 13 European countries. I have observed the Wikipedia policy on the significance of organizations and people, and find PNO Consultants certainly significant enough to deserve mention.

You may observe that their website claims that they are "Europe's leading grants & subsidy consultancy group". While this may be difficult to demonstrate, Wikipedia's policy A7 states: "The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source."

I haven't actively looked for evidence that the company is indeed the leading subsidy consultancy group, but provided policy A7, the statement on their website suffices. I think the deletion was uncounted for, and failed to acknowledge the Wikipedia policy. I'm eager to hear your opinion. &mdash; Stimpytalk 20:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * To me, the key work in the part of CSD A7 that you quoted is "credible". Is a claim made by a company that they are "Europe's leading grants & subsidy consultancy group" really credible? I don't believe so. I could write a website about myself, and claim that I am the world-authority on frogs, and that certainly wouldn't be credible.


 * As for not needing reliable sources - you're quite right, CSD A7 doesn't stipulate a need for reliable sources. However, that's quite different to a need to demonstrate some kind of notability. For that reason, third-party sources (preferably reliable, but not necessarily at this stage) are really needed to at least confirm that the claims made by the company in question may be legitimate.


 * If you can find anything to suggest that the claims made by PNO Consultants may be correct, let me know, and I'll certainly reconsider my deletion. Also, please bear WP:COI in mind - in all honesty, it's not hugely relevant in this case, but if your company is dealing with this company, it's something to bear in mind. Talk Islander 21:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed, "non-reliable statement" and "self-proclaimed statement" of course do not go hand-in-hand. I suppose I simply assumed this to be a true statement because as a co-founder of a Dutch company, we are involved with subsidy grants and other start-up companies. From our perspective, PNO Consultants are simply "the guys to talk to" -- there is no significant competition since PNO bought up Ernst & Young's grant consultancy department a year or two ago.


 * I honestly don't really have any measure of determining the significance of the organization. Most online references to PNO seem really only to do so from a partnership perspective or to describe the organization's profile. &mdash; Stimpytalk 16:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

IP edits
I reverted that IP on God the Father, but forgot to revert on Reading school. And they were both vandalism, so I stated that. Is there a big deal therein? History2007 (talk) 14:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, ok Master. I will not bother to revert or warn again. Shall I write that 100 times? Will you get off my back please Master? History2007 (talk) 16:40, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - March 2009
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 17:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposed award
Apologies if I haven't got the code quite right...

Pythoness Mar (talk) 10:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, thank you very much! Not sure what the 'wcr barnstar' is, but I've changed it to a generic version. Thanks a lot :). Talk Islander 13:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Entonox
Further discussion of your revert at Talk:Entonox. OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 11:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Splash Mountain
Excuse me, but Wikipedia does have permission to use the information as I am the author of it. I cited Disney Reporter as the source of the information, and that is my website. Is there any form I need to fill out verifying this to have these informative facts displayed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Travelsoccerkid1 (talk • contribs) 13:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are prepared to release the material under the GFDL, then you can post your material on Wikipedia. Note that releasing it just for the use of Wikipedia is not a possibility. Having said that, the list that you added to Splash Mountain fails WP:TRIVIA - please incorporate those facts into the main body text in an encyclopaedic fasion, and don't just list them. Talk Islander 14:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the response; it was very helpful. Would it be more beneficial to remove the copyright from my entire site instead or should I just rephrase the facts and incorporate them into the article?--Travelsoccerkid1 (talk) 14:15, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I personally would suggest that you just rephrase the facts and incorporate them carefully into the article - once you've removed the copyright from your site, you'll never be able to replace it... Talk Islander 14:21, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Lister image problem
Hey, it's been a while since I've edited here and I dont know how you upload an image. The image is here and I dont know WHERE the upload image button is. I managed to find insert photo gallery button but thats all. Could you please put this image on the Lister Cars page or tell me how to upload images here. Thanks. Marauder09 (talk) 14:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you first tell me where you got the image from? Talk Islander 14:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment on one of your edit summaries
I'm not sure how you intended this to sound, but this edit summary at Lizo Mzimba seems to me to be a quite insulting comment about another contributor. What were you trying to say? Tim Vickers (talk) 17:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I was trying to say exactly what it says - no hidden meaning. It's not insulting, just perhaps a bit blunt. A reference note stating "...but one doubts this date as he started as a junior journalist with the BBC in 1994 when he was presumably a bit older than just 14!" is, (maybe childish was the wrong word), definitely not encyclopaedic or suitable. Talk Islander 01:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right, childish was definitely the wrong word to use, but I see your point that the comment might be seen as unencyclopaedic. I trust you haven't rubbed up that contributor up the wrong way, so you can work that question out between yourselves. Anyway, hopefully no harm done. All the best Tim Vickers (talk) 04:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Judging by the below, it would appear that I have indeed rubbed that contributor up the wrong way, but it has to be said, proportional response etc... Thanks for your input, Tim :). Talk Islander 19:49, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Blunt is not the word! this was in truth a disgraceful example of insulting rudeness, wiki bullying and intimidation that requires an apology. One comes to expect this type of repulsive and aggressive behaviour from certain unpleasant POV fanatics on wiki but not from a so-called admin. This type of behaviour not only intimidates and angers innocent, good-faith editors, but also scares them off and drives them away to safer articles and havens of peace elsewhere in wiki -- such as they even exist. Is that what you want to happen? You sir are a bully and should be stripped of your adminship, which you clearly do not deserve. Admins should be beacons of excellent & civil behaviour who show through example to others that wikipedia is a decent place where folks can edit in peace without fear of bullies like you. No possible excuse for this type of behaviour is acceptable. Go and sort your head out and learn the sublte arts of diplomacy and the social skills required for collaborative editing. As an ambassador of polite wikipedia adminship you are a disgrace. Your insulting behaviour should be reported to and scrutinised by your fellow admins. Peter morrell 07:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "Go and sort your head out and learn the sublte arts of diplomacy and the social skills required for collaborative editing" - heh. Re-read your above post, and then go do yourself what you advise I do :). Talk Islander 19:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

KieranT676?
Hi. I am monitoring WP:SPI/BOT. Does look familiar? I noticed you've blocked several socks of. Thanks. Wknight94 talk  12:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd certainly mark him as a potential sock. Though the topic of music is not one that I can remember him dabbling in much, the style of writing is certainly similar (i.e. poor). Plus, of course, the username - a few of KieranT676's socks are just variations on 'Keiran'. I'll try and keep an eye on him. Talk Islander 16:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

administrator rodhullandemu
I suggest you track the history of the bullying abuse this administrator has left for me before leaving comments on my page. But alas, he has some how deleted all his comments, by deleting my user talk page. I am leaving the wiki project permanently, so a block is a waste of time. But doubtless this will earn it. It's easier for you than researching what an administrator is actually doing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.16.217 (talk) 11:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I appologise - there is clearly a lot more to this than is immediately obvious. When I have time, I may look into this further, but for now I appologise for jumping in. Note that I'm not condoning your behaviour, but nor am I reprimanding it either: I'm merely taking a step back and disassociating myself from this matter. Talk Islander 15:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Email
You have email -- Avi (talk) 18:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for butting into another conversation but you have another email Nenslo (talk) 14:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Replied - will look into it over the weekend :). Talk Islander 15:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment from user
Sorry if this isn't the right place to post a comment on your page, but I have a problem with when you said I was creating adverts on the page Stealth (roller coaster). Just to let you know, I wasn't creating adverts, I was saying the company that sponsors the roller coaster. Again, sorry if this is the wrong place to comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.173.149 (talk) 19:11, 2 June 2009
 * Please see my comments on your talk page. Talk Islander 19:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Update
Hi Islander, I've sent you an email about this already but I thought I would drop you a message here too, just in case. I've done some updates to the article, let me know what you think. Nenslo (talk) 15:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)