User talk:Isomorphic/archive5

I'm new and stumbled upon your work and like it so I am posting here for you to send me help/welcome stuff to my talk page. Your post on your newcomer welcome page said it would be ok. Thanks (Volcano1776 21:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC))

Bold textThanks for coming to speak to our class about Wikipedia... I didn't really know what it was before, but now I'll definitely use it - take care and best of luck! Jenna

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Maria Olivia da Silva: 125?

Mr. Redux,

I'm taking this opportunity to assume that you are a reasonable person, which means LOGIC is more important than NATIONALISM. That said, your claim that Maria Olivia da Silva was the world's oldest person, proven beyond a doubt, is very, very off the mark.

Here is an article dealing with the issue:

http://www.seniorjournal.com/NEWS/SeniorStats/5-07-17OldestWomanChallenge.htm

You think it's just Brasil? Alberta Davis of Thomson, GA (USA) claims to be born Dec 24 1881, but we don't give her the "world's oldest person" title simply because there is no proof of her age. Or worse, invent/concoct false proof that on closer inspection was not real.

Sincerely Robert Young

Proposed guideline: conflict of interest
Last April, you left a comment on Wikipedia_talk:Autobiography about the conflict of interest that arises when someone writes about their own company. I have just proposed a guideline for dealing with these situations, and I'm looking for consensus on it. Could you take a look at Conflict of interest and let us know what you think? Thanks. --Yannick 03:35, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

re: Deletion Process

 * Hmm... I thought I started a discussion on that page already... must have been a bad connection or database error. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:38, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Radhanite
I've placed the Radhanite article up for peer review. Your comments and criticism would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --Briangotts 19:40, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, I will work on it. --Briangotts 28 June 2005 13:43 (UTC)

thanks!
Hi Isomorphic, thanks for the positive feedback and support of my RfA. I'm glad you found my work on welding helpful, and I hope I can continue supporting the project now that I'm an admin. Thanks again! --Spangineer (háblame)  July 4, 2005 03:53 (UTC)

Discussion links
You make a very good point, although I'm not sure what the best solution is. In part, I'm more focused on writing a coherent article than coming up with all the links that might be appropriate, but fortunately I find that Signpost readers are often quick to add links I may have overlooked.

With respect to the discussion about games, much of it took place on the mailing list. This has its own unique problem, in that I can't just link to a thread generally but have to link a specific message, and doing this simply for the purposes of linking to the discussion is not as objective as I would like, because it privileges that particular message over the rest of the thread. With wiki discussions you can just link to the page where everybody has commented. However, upon reviewing the article I find that I should have at least mentioned that the discussion was on the mailing list. If you have more thoughts or suggestions on how to handle this or anything else related to The Signpost, I always appreciate your input. --Michael Snow 5 July 2005 20:51 (UTC)

Greeting newcomers
Thanks for your suggestion; I didn't think of that. I guess a new user might be confused by a template. I'll start using  for my welcome notes. — Bcat (talk | email) 21:00, 9 July 2005 (UTC)


 * PS: I've now changed all references to my welcome template to use . — Bcat (talk | email) 21:36, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

WP:WC
Ah but I insist that the creator gets his credit. Jimbo Wales gets credit for creating Wikipedia now you should get some credit for creating the Welcoming Committee Redwolf24 08:57, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Featured articles at WP:HD
Thanks for stating my concern so succinctly. I guess I was having a problem with that. Anyway, Elfguy suggested that the question be moved to WP:VP. I don't know how to do that and it seems that no-one has done that yet. If you think that the issue has merit then I would appreciate your help in getting to Village pump (proposals) or Village pump (technical) or where-ever you think appropriate. Thanks again, hydnjo talk 01:45, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks, Iso, for wishing me well when I took my extended break. As usual, you find the right words that encourage me and remind me of all of the many benefits and happinesses that accompany my small contributions here. I hope all went well with you these past few months, and please know that I am now back (in some capacity...haven't figured out if I'm fully back or if I will be a little sporadic), in case you'd like my help or input anywhere. I'm going to try to do more with articles and less with policy...but now that I'm recognized (by a few, at least) as a strong voice of reason, well, I suppose I won't be able to dodge all the policy discussions. :-) Best wishes to you, Jwrosenzweig 20:30, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

"paramilitary really has nothing to do with terrorism"
That must be a US perspective. In reality, the IRA and UVF in Northern Ireland are always described as "Paramilitary". The only other context in which I've seen the word used on this side of the atlantic is to describe semi-military police - Gendarmerie in France, Carabinieri in Italy (both are military police, but not MPs as per US Army) and the Black and Tans used by Britain in Ireland during the Irish War of Independence. So the use is much more analagous with paramedic. (No-one on this side of the atlantic would recognise US marching bands, survivalists, or self-styled "well ordered militias" as being paramilitary in any real world sense.)

So we need a compromise version that recognises both the UK English and US English senses of the word. --Red King 09:51, 15 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree that it is a case of local meaning. The problem is that, as the article is currently written, it only has the USA local meaning.  Continue the discussion at talk:paramilitary, ok? --Red King 11:18, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

POV Harry Magdoff fork
This is a challenge to the significance of Venona project materials, calling it a "conspiracy" against those named. would you care to look in. Thanls Votes for deletion/Conspiracy allegations about Harry Magdoff nobs 19:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

FYI
Guess who's back? &rarr;Raul654 04:34, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

7/29
If you do not destroy all outstanding vestiges of a malicious attack on one contributor, you will be crushed by a $200 eraser.

You might as well remove all attacks, to be safe. Booger918 05:04, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

WP Game theory
Hi isomorphic - I'm glad to hear that you're interested in a wikiproject game theory. So far, there are 5 of that are interested. If I get a few more folks, I think I'll go for it. For the time being, would you mind taking a look at this page: User:Kzollman/Matrix. I'm trying to standardize the representation of games in wikipedia, feel free to add comments or other options if you can think of them. --best, kevin · · · Kzollman | Talk · · · 06:37, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Slander
On this page, you claim that I am a bot. I have lovely flowing locks and can decipher any number of human-only-solvable tests and generally jump through hoops for hotmail's amusement, therefore I am not a terminator at all.

You are now going to be terminated and made a redirect to goatse.

boffy_b 14:06, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Bootcamps
Usre:Quinobi, User:Talrias and I are still working on Bootcamps and manning its IRC channel; thanks for checking up. It would be great to hvae more new users come by; we are still at the 4-5 interested users stage... but when users do come into the channel or ping us, they are often pleased with the results of a quick real-time bootcamp session. +sj +  15:18, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Adminship
I have been nominated for adminship. Hope you will weigh in at. --Briangotts (talk) 23:41, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks!!! --Briangotts (talk) 17:33, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

American Old West at the US Collaboration
Some time ago, you supported the nomination of American Old West at the COTW. I have now renominated it at the new US Collaboration. If you are still interested, you can support the article with your vote there!--Fenice 08:57, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Kura-Araxes culture
See my discussion at Talk:Kura-Araxes_culture --FourthAve 19:35, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

rfa nomination
Hi - I suspect you don't remember, but you originally welcomed me. You haven't voted at my RFA. Judging by how the voting's going, it's probably completely superfluous but I thought you might want to register a vote. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:10, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Nut on Jedi census phenomenon
Mind helping me deal with this idiot? He's being disruptive and borderline vandal. I think he's trolling. — Phil Welch 07:06, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


 * My suggestion would be to ignore the article for a day or two, then come back and do whatever you like to it. Most people like that have no attention span. If you just ignore him, you can come back tomorrow, fix the article, and you'll probably never hear from him again. Isomorphic 07:36, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Don't think so. He first edited the article yesterday and came back today to keep it up. You're an admin—can't you ban for disruption? (I'm not sure whether this would qualify). — Phil Welch 07:38, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I could ban him if he were vandalizing, but he's not. He's just strange and frustrating.  Neither of those, however, is a bannable offense.  If he were starting an edit war, I could protect the page or ban him possibly, but as long as he is behaving himself and legitimately seeking compromise (which he seems to be doing) then I can't (and shouldn't) do anything more than try to mediate. Isomorphic 08:14, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually admins have relatively little authority. Admin status gives you a set of technical abilities, but we're constrained by Wikipedia policies on when we can and can't use them.  Somebody got hauled over the coals recently for stepping out of line, in fact. Isomorphic 08:17, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Alright. He did start an edit war though (if you read the history). Still, I thought disruption by anons was a blockable offense. — Phil Welch 08:19, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Briangotts/Fitzpatrick's War
I notice you've listed science fiction as one of your interests. I don't know if you've ever read Fitzpatrick's War by Theodore Judson, but it is a great book. I'm working on an entry for the book which I've saved to my userspace rather than to an article for the time being. If you have read the book, please feel free to edit the page as you see fit, and let me know if you know any other users who may have. Thanks! --Briangotts (talk) 02:15, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

He is relatively new, yes. . His only other book that I'm aware of is Tom Wedderburn's Life which I haven't read but surmise is non-sci-fi. --Briangotts (talk) 03:06, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Game theory again
Hi there - I have started WikiProject Game theory. I hope that you will come and join it! I have lots of stuff to do, which I will be doing over the next few days. --best, kevin · · · Kzollman | Talk · · · 23:50, August 29, 2005 (UTC)


 * Great! I'm glad to have inspired stuff, I didn't know anything about Kakutani before this.  Thanks for joining in!  --best, kevin  · · · Kzollman | Talk · · · 02:39, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Business and Economics
Hi there! I have started a Business and Economics wikiproject. I hope you can participate in it. Its still very rudimentary, since there are only 2 participants, but if more people can join in, we can get some activity going on. Regards. pamri 16:35, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Your view is requested
I am contacting logged-in users who have taken an interest in, or edited, Wikipedia_talk:Assume_good_faith, and asking them to respond to a question I have placed on that page which goes to the policy of WP:AGF.

Thanks in advance. paul klenk 23:45, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikijunior Solar System Needs You
Danny Wool has challenged us to get Wikijunior Solar System out to hurricane evacuees by October 32005. This is going to be tough!

You expressed interest in WikiJunior. Would you be willing now to join the push to get Wikijunior Solar System completed? Come see Wikijunior Solar System!

Thanks --SV Resolution(Talk) 17:05, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Main game theory page
Hi Iso - I don't know if you saw my note at the project page. If you have a chance would you mind taking a look at my proposal for revamping the Game theory article on the talk page? I'd like to get a few more people's comments before I jump in. I would like to see if we can get that page up to feature article quality! --best, kevin · · · Kzollman | Talk · · · 01:35, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Please vote on list of lists, a featured list candidate
Please vote at Featured list candidates/List of lists of mathematical topics. Michael Hardy 20:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

system message
I read my talk page yesterday, and found your name in the page.

As a sysop in Sundanese Wikipedia (and some other sister projects, which is still "underdeveloped"), would you inform me, if any, how to copy the system messages automatically from one project to another?

FYI, in the Sundanese Wikipedia, I've never translate & sumbit the language.php file, but directly translating every message, one by one, listed in the "special:allmessage" page. kandar 05:17, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Bagrationi and Georgian Nationalism
Yes, I know the problems as I have been watching them since late August. I expect fully for Levur or someone to revert my edits, after which I may revert back just to get them upset. I hope that a Georgian nationalist does not come to my door with a gun someday because I respect them with my most heartfelt regards, but it does bother me that they cannot just accept the majority opinion. I kind of wish we could just use an Encyclopedia Britannica entry here to kill the argument. I also attempted to just clean up the entry without changing much, but I had no choice but to reword the introduction to make it work. Since that is the part under discussion, that is why I expect a revert. I moved most of the succession list to List of Georgian Kings ages ago, so I don't care that much what happens on this page. I mostly hated the Georgian language all over the English page, keeping only the first reference to it since that made some sense to leave. I don't read Crillic and most other English-speakers don't either so we really could care less about that. There is an entire Georgian page (probably written by Levur) for Crillic Georgian. Nonetheless, I hope some resolution can be found so that I can move on to other projects less hesitantly. Thanks for the support, Isomorphic, glad some people are still fighting for our side. -Whaleyland 10:29, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected. I always thought the language looked a little odd but it not being Crillic would justify that.  Either way, I never stated that on the Bagrationi page.  But I do agree that, while history may often be written by those in the nation, it should not ONLY be written by them.  The international community has written many hundreds of Georgian histories throughout the centuries and most of them do not agree with the majority of Georgian records.  Whether this is due to mismanagement of ancient sources or a desire to justify Georgia's sovereignty, is not our concern.  I was hoping that by stating both, with theirs first, we could resolve the problem.  Likewise, I was hoping Levzur would not mind the removal of titles written in foreign tongues, saving those for the Georgian langauge page.  Apparently my hopes were in vain and we shall continue reverting until the cows come home or Wikipedia blocks further changes once again.  Sincerely, Whaleyland 02:03, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I sacrificed my own historical conscience for the better of format for now. I updated the page again after someone removed the dispute tag AGAIN.  I changed the dispute tag down a level since only one issue on the page really is problematic and I restored the page to my rewrite last night but kept his ancetry and origin information until it can be resolved.  Hopefully this will appease him.  Otherwise, I want the Wikimasters to go agro on his rear.
 * -Whaleyland 06:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The only way to fix the problem is to replace the errors that are not disputed. I would prefer you revert to my earlier version but I think Levzur will just revert to his older version then.  And then that Dispute guy keeps removing the tag.  Ugg...revert back to my prevous version when you get the chance and lets see what happens. -Whaleyland 07:50, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Bagrationi protection
Not going to do anything for now. If this goes back to where it was, let us know. Btw, protection requests go to the top of the protection section, not the bottom. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 10:57, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Radhanites
Up for FAC. Your input is most welcome. You may notice that the changes you recommended during peer review have been implemented.Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 04:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The discussion and vote page are here Featured article candidates/Radhanite Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 13:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikijunior
Thanks for the suggestion; I shall look into it promptly! I've been doing some work on Meta, and may go for admin there, as well as I've been active on Wikiquote and Commons on and off since I started with Wikipedia, and I plan to go back to those more frequently. However, the more the merrier! -- Essjay ·   Talk 14:20, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome
Not a problem. I don't actually know how I found that page, but either way, I do agree it's very handy. - Akamad Happy new year! 11:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

People in DC
I saw a comment of yours stating you thought you were the only person actively contributing to wikipedia in the DC area. There are at least a few (see Talk:Crystal City, Virginia); I am one of them. Avriette 21:43, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there seem to be quite a few, if contributions to local articles are any indication. Thesmothete 04:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Meetup in Delaware
There's some interest in having a meetup in Newark, Delaware soon. If you are interested (or know someone who is), please let me know. Raul654 23:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikimeetup Delaware
As discussed, I've "officially" announced the meetup. See Meetup/Newark. If you know anyone else from the area who would be interested in attending, please let them know. Raul654 06:05, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Roman K. Kovalev
Can you take a look at this AFD, and vote or comment as you see fit? Seems to me like deletionism run amok, esp. in light of my additions to the article. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 22:27, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Meetup reminder
Just a reminder that there will be a meetup in Newark, DE, this saturday at 3:00 PM. (Since people have complained after previous meetups that they had forgotten about it, this message is going to everyone listed on Meetup/Newark) Raul654 15:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Question
Hi, I noticed that you put up your own user greetings on Wikipedia. I copied and pasted one to greet a newcomer, but I forgot to ask you if that was alright with you because you didn't exactly say so on that page! So, um, thank you for the greeting, and would it be alright with you if I used it? Hurrah 02:07, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much. It's really appreciated! Hurrah 04:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Microeconomics
Hi, User:Radeksz has proposed a rewrite of Microeconomics on that article's talk page, in case you care to have a look. dbtfz talk 09:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Presentations
Hello. Raul passed on your message to the communications committee. There's a number of presentations linked from Presentations which you might find useful. Angela. 14:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, and sorry for not responding more quickly, my time on Wikipedia has been a little taken up with other issues lately. --Michael Snow 22:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Newcomers
What if we use this message?

Hi there. Welcome to Wikipedia. When you get a chance, drop us a note at New user log to introduce yourself.

You can sign your name on talk pages by using " " for your username and " ~ " for your username and a timestamp.


 * Welcome is a good place to start.
 * Tutorial runs through all the basics.
 * How does one edit a page gives editing help.
 * Manual of Style gives formatting info.
 * Policies and guidelines tell about the principles we operate on. It's important, but don't try to read it all now.
 * Help covers a broad range of useful topics.
 * Help desk is a place to ask questions.
 * Show preview explains how to double-check your edits before saving.

You should also feel free to drop me a question on my talk page. I'll answer if I'm here.

Happy editing, ~

Which makes:

Hi there. Welcome to Wikipedia. When you get a chance, drop us a note at New user log to introduce yourself.

You can sign your name on talk pages by using " " for your username and " ~ " for your username and a timestamp.


 * Welcome is a good place to start.
 * Tutorial runs through all the basics.
 * How does one edit a page gives editing help.
 * Manual of Style gives formatting info.
 * Policies and guidelines tell about the principles we operate on. It's important, but don't try to read it all now.
 * Help covers a broad range of useful topics.
 * Help desk is a place to ask questions.
 * Show preview explains how to double-check your edits before saving.

You should also feel free to drop me a question on my talk page. I'll answer if I'm here.

Happy editing, Jean-Paul 21:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC) ''' Well? What do you think?'''

Central Asia
WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Georgia Move
As a past participant in the discussion on how to handle the Georgia pages, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new attempt to reach consensus on the matter being addressed at Talk:Georgia (country). Please come by and share your thoughts to help form a consensus. --Vengeful Cynic 03:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject:Architecure Peer Review proposal
I'm trying to build a consensus for a Wikiproject Peer review process. I've opened a discussion page here. Would you like to comment? Would you be prepared to take part in the peer review process? Many thanks. --Mcginnly | Chinwag 12:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

IG Farben Building FAC
Also, I posted the IG Farben Building on the FAC on the 17th July. It currently has a support consensus, but only from 4 people. I'd be more comfortable with a stronger consensus and was wondering if you might be prepared to comment on the article? Many thanks. --Mcginnly | Chinwag 12:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Delete
You said, "The lecture was just my knee-jerk reaction to someone quoting a rules page instead of presenting an argument. " I did present an argument, as did many others. The guidelines are appropriate to quote, and I addressed each point with an 'argument'. If that is not presenting an argument, then I do not know what is. Thank you for an explanation, though. jawesq 18:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It seemed like an obvious instance of abuse of Wikipedia. Many others complained as well.  I see that someone has already asked to undelete the article.  Amazing.jawesq 18:46, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Should
This is what the guideline says, Administrators encountering biographies that are unsourced and negative in tone, where there is no NPOV version to revert to, should delete the article without discussion. This does not say 'may'. It says 'should'. Perhaps I came off a little strong, but I have seen so much of this on Wikipedia, that it is alarming. I went into law as a second profession, because I still do consider it an honorable profession. I don't appreciate seeing an alleged encyclopedia turn into a venue for politics and attack - "Overlawyered", for example, is a partisan organization whose sole purpose it is to disparage the legal profession. But Wikipedia is quickly turning into the same thing. If Wikipedia condones attack articles on attorneys only known to their local community (not even nationally, let alone internationally), then I don't believe I want to be a part of it. These kind of articles are not encyclopedic, but are intended only to ridicule or disparage. I have seen this frequently on Wikipedia and find it highly objectionable - especially since Wikipedia is portrayed as an encyclopedia and not a gossip rag. jawesq 19:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd also like to point out this: policy in a nutshell|Articles about living persons require a degree of sensitivity and must adhere strictly to Wikipedia's content policies. Be very firm about high-quality references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced negative material about living persons should be removed immediately from both the article and the talk page. Responsibility for justifying controversial claims rests firmly on the shoulders of the person making the claim. Editors must take particular care when writing biographies of living persons, which require a degree of sensitivity, and which must adhere strictly to our content policies:


 * Verifiability
 * Neutral point of view
 * No original research

We must get the article right. Be very firm about high quality references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced negative material about living persons should be removed immediately from both the article and the talk page. These principles also apply to biographical material about living persons in other articles. The responsibility for justifying controversial claims in Wikipedia, of all kinds, but especially for living people's bios, rests firmly on the shoulders of the person making the claim.jawesq 19:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)