User talk:Iszavay

December 2011
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to You and I (Lady Gaga song) with this edit, did not appear to be constructive, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Prodego talk  05:44, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you but "The Lady Is a Tramp" by Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga was released as a single (Source: http://www.amazon.com/The-Lady-Is-A-Tramp/dp/B005KNV9U2) but for some reason it is not being recognized as such, even though her other singles are recognized in her chronology, I'm simply trying to straighten this out. Thank you. Iszavay (talk) 05:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)iszavay
 * Amazon.com is NOT a reliable source for determining if a release is a single release or promotional release. There needs to be confirmation from the label. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 05:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

This link: http://lescharts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=Tony+Bennett+%26+Lady+Gaga&titel=The+Lady+Is+A+Tramp&cat=s verifies that the song was released as a digital single and cites Columbia Records, so this seems sufficient evidence. Thanks. Iszavay (talk) 10:11, 21 December 2011 (UTC)Iszavay
 * Did I not tell you NOT to add the infobox? And where does it say in the link that it was released as a single? I see it clearly states that the release was a promotional digital download. Consider this an intervention. Wikipedia goes by reliable and reputable sources, which lescharts passes but your point is moot. Next time please don't add the infobox. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 10:42, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

First, you can stop being so condescending. Second, the lestcharts reference specifically states that this is a SINGLE, and below gives "digital" as the format and also provides a specific date for this. I don't know where your interpretation of "promotional digital download" comes from, but it is clearly shown that this has been released as a single, and your criteria of both a credible source (lescharts) as well as confirmation from the record label (given) have been met. I don't understand why you're so determined to not have an infobox for this song, but it clearly was released as a single, as evidence shows, which deems YOUR argument moot. Iszavay (talk) 11:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)Iszavay

A response would be appreciated… I still would like to add the infobox and as I said, the source stated it was a single, so I won't add the box again as I imagine Legolas will remove it but I would like some explanation of why it is still not being allowed even though the information has been verified.EDIT: or if it is only promotional why not add a promotional single infobox?Iszavay (talk) 19:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)Iszavay
 * Please provide where in the link from Lescharts it shows that Columbia/sony says taht it is a single. All I can see is that a promotional release "Promo - Digital Columbia - (Sony)" is there. Otherwise I see no confirmation from label, not from the artists or anyone. And I have also said before that Hung Medien (who publishes Lescharts and all the other European chart archives) have previously also made mistakes regarding releases, so it is not exactly a 100% reliable source. Look at the listing for 3-Way (The Golden Rule). Although it was released as a single, Hung Medien does not list it as such. So again, they are not reliable even for promotional. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 06:52, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I think "3-Way" was only released in the US since SNL is only shown here, so I'm not sure that's an error. Anyhow, it does say for the title "The Lady Is a Tramp [promo]" but then under the format area it says "single" and then digital below it, which means it was released as a single digitally. I imagine the word promo means it was only released as a promotional single, rather than a full single (whatever the difference is), but nevertheless, shouldn't the song have an infobox for being a promotional single, like "Christmas Tree"? Iszavay (talk) 06:59, 22 December 2011 (UTC)Iszavay
 * I see your point and although that might be true, we cannot rely on Hung Medien for an assumption on this case. It does seem like a promo release but we need a better source. "Christmas Tree" was denoted as a promo release by Interscope and other third party sources. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 11:14, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Ummm okay. Just so you know though, "The Lady Is a Tramp" is still listed on the "Duets II" page as the second single, which many blogs cited it as too. I can't vouch for how reliable these are, but since a music video was also made and released, I'm sure it got some release, which this source confirms as well. Iszavay (talk) 21:54, 22 December 2011 (UTC)iszavay

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