User talk:Itar buttar/Archive 1

Sat Sri Akaal

What you're doing well
Regarding your messages on my talk page; I answered the lat/long question there. Regarding your other question, the main thing that you are doing well is simply your addition of new content to Wikipedia. As you may know, English Wikipedia has what is called a systemic bias towards subjects closely related to the US especially and to a lesser degree Europe. This isn't due to any sort of intentional prejudice, but simply due to the fact that most editors of en.wiki are from the US, UK, Australia, and other European countries. As a result, most of us are simply more interested in things related to those countries. Plus, many of us (including myself) cannot speak a second or third language, or cannot do so well enough to find non-English sources. That's why I said that your work in adding new topics about India is important. For example, I would imagine that 99.9% of the other editors on en.wiki Buttar Sarinh; your addition of that article makes Wikipedia better by expanding our coverage of notable topics.

Three things that you could do that would make your work better. First, take a read through WP:NPOV. Wikipedia requires that all articles be neutral in tone. So, we shouldn't use phrases like "The renowned singer X" or "Everyone was inspired by her great performance" (you had similar, though not identical phrases) to those. What we can do, though, is to quote people who say such things, like "The Hindu Times described her newest album as 'inspired and full of beauty'" or whatever, so long as you add a citation to that. Second, it would help other editors if you used edit summaries. Underneath the main editing window, there is a small box (except when you're creating a new article, or a new section on a talk page). It helps other editors if you leave a brief note explaining your change--then, when we look at the article history, we can see the rationale for your change. You don't have to do it every single time, though many editors try to. You can use abbreviations--for example, if I just change the spelling of a word, I use an edit summary of "sp"; or if I do a bunch of grammar editing, I may just write "ce" (standing for "copy edit"). Take a look at a list of my recent contributions; this will give you an idea of the types of edit summaries I usually use. Third, in cases where you are working with established articles, rather than new ones, if you are going to make a potentially significant change, you might want to consider discussing the issues on the article's talk page first. For example, changing the name of a heavily edited page like Jat people is certain to be controversial, and there needs to be discussion before its done. Or, if someone changes something you did, but you don't agree with the change, you can discuss that on the article talk page as well. Discussion isn't always needed (sometimes, for example, edit summaries provide enough information), but any time there's a disagreement, discussion really helps everyone edit collaboratively.

There are other things to learn, like formatting and layout, but those you can learn over time (for example, take a look at the change I just made to the section headings and links in Buttar Sarinh). Again, thank you for your work so far, and please feel free to ask questions at any time. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:27, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Source information needed for File:Manava Naik.jpg
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Babbu Maan
while Babbu Maan is cited, the page could be expanded with more information (also cited, of course) --RichardMills65 (talk) 05:24, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

/* Filmography */ unlink bad wikilinks
Hey; I de-linked some links to films that had pages that didn't exist. You can relink when these pages are created. --RichardMills65 (talk) 05:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Special Squad
Article was obviously not needed, but I thought that the title was a plausible search item for someone looking for info, so I changed to a redirect instead of deleting. There's not much about the series on the web, but since it's in Hindi, I imagine that there is enough in that language to establish notability, thanks  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  15:41, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand what I've done. Special Squad (2005) is untouched. I agree that we don't need two articles on the same topic, so I've removed all the content from Special Squad (TV series), but since it's a plausible search attempt, I've made it into a redirect to the 2005 article rather than deleting completely. Click on the two links, and see what you get  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  15:58, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you ever need to check a user's rights, go to their user or talk page, click on "user contributions" in the sidebar, and you should see "user rights management" near the top of the page  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  17:32, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Kaliyan
Again, I thought a redirect was better, since this appears to be a real thing, but no real content. Note that none of the reasons you gave because it's unreferenced/no third-party sources cited and moreover a stub. meet the speedy deletion criteria, although I thought it failed on notability. You are better to stick with the standard tags (if you are not using Twinkle, add it through "My preferences - gadgets -browsing", saves a lot of time and effort)  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:39, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Requesting adminship
Hi TariButtar. I notice you tried to request adminship, but unforunately you didn't quite get the procedure right. There are some instructions on what to do here. Having said that, in the past 4 years, no editor has successfully become an admin with less than 3000 edits, and the average is about 10,000 - so perhaps you might want to get a little more experience. I can offer you some tips if you like? WormTT  · &#32;(talk) 15:42, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

RFA
Hi. I noticed you nominated yourself for adminship. Please see Requests_for_adminship/Nominate for instructions on how to proceed per procedure. I'm not familiar with your editing pattern but you probably don't have enough edits for the nomination to succeed. Regardless - Good luck! --regentspark (comment) 15:43, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Still not sure you've done it right - it's not appearing for me at Requests for adminship. Regards, GiantSnowman 16:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, this is STILL not transcluded properly. Please do so ASAP. GiantSnowman 17:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Requests for checkuser/Case/TariButtar
I just deleted this, you didn't request the tool, those pages are used for requesting checkuser investigations. And no, you're not qualified for the tool, it is something which is given to the most experienced and trusted users after an election takes place, there are currently only 30-odd CU's. As with your RFA I suggest you forget trying to get new tools and focus on actually editing for now-- Jac 16888 Talk 17:16, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Advice
You should familiarise yourself with Five pillars - fundamental principles that you NEED to know. I would also advise you get in touch with, who has offered to help you above. Regards, GiantSnowman 18:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Subpage / Shaheed-E-Mohabbat
I have deleted your subpage, and have tagged Shaheed-E-Mohabbat for improvement. If you believe that it should be deleted, please use WP:PROD or WP:AFD. Regards, GiantSnowman 09:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Subpages are eligible for deletion under WP:CSD, whereas articles have to go through WP:PROD or WP:AFD. Why not try to add references before saying it should be deleted? GiantSnowman 10:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the need to sign your posts!
Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button or  located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when they said it. Thank you.

This is with reference to Talk:Gora Chakk Wala. Happy editing. AshLin (talk) 03:26, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Great that you got in touch! Fortunately, one doesn't need to be an admin to be able to help. WikiProject India is a great community. I advice you to add WP:INB to your watch list. AshLin (talk) 05:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Kali
I see your point, but please have a read of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC - I have no doubt that Kali the goddess is the most obvious search/result term. GiantSnowman 09:12, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Deleting contributions
We do have Oversight, but that is only for serious cases of vandalism/abuse/legal threats etc. GiantSnowman 10:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Punjab district map.png
I'm admittedly very poor with images, so you might want to try at somewhere like Help desk. Regards, GiantSnowman 15:35, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Some Tips
Hi TariButtar. I see you're interested in some tips on how to become an administrator. It's not a short process, it'll probably take a good 6 months to a year from where you are now and you will need to gain some experience in lots of different areas of wiki. The most important thing is that you cover the following areas well, quality, not quantity in each area is what you want to prove during your request.

Content Creation
 * Many members of the community like to see some content creation in an administrator. That's not to say you'll have to have got an article to featured status. What the community wants to see is real evidence of high quality created content, well sourced, well written and reviewed by the community. It doesn't even have to be text content, though the other forms are often better at Commons.

Administrative work
 * It would be good if you could demonstrate some sort of need for the tools - for example:


 * Regular commenting at WP:XfDs
 * New page patrol with very accurate (better than 95%):
 * Page improvement tagging
 * WP:CSD tagging
 * WP:UAA tagging
 * Recent change patrol with very very accurate (better than 99%):
 * Vandalism labelling
 * WP:AIV reporting
 * WP:UAA tagging
 * Helping out at places like WP:ANI (offering useful advice)

Working well with other
 * An important factor for administrators is that you work well with others. Spending some time in the various help areas of wikipedia, like WP:EAR or WP:3O would be useful. Again, this only any good if you are actually doing the job well. You could also join in in different WP:RfCs, especially the ones listed at WP:CENT. This will have the joint benefits of helping you understand the behind the scenes part of an encyclopedia and will improve your profile.

Specialisation
 * If there's a part of wikipedia that you're good at, then focus on it. I was good at adoption, other editors are good at templates or file work or copyright. The more work you do in an area, the more likely it will be that you will be able to help out.

I hope that makes a bit of sense, it's what people mean when they say "go out and get some experience". I see you also asked about other rights you can get to help out in the encyclopedia. Well, I will warn you to be careful of WP:Hat collecting, if you have too many rights then it will reflect badly upon you. Some rights are used so rarely that very few users have them, like checkuser - and the right is appointed by arbs. Rights generally just allow you access to tools which do jobs faster - but you can still do them without the rights. So, why not have a go at the job without the right, and if you're good at it, then request the rights. WormTT  · &#32;(talk) 15:36, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Manava Naik.jpg
Thanks for uploading File:Manava Naik.jpg, which you've sourced to http://photogallery.indiatimes.com/tv/stars/manava-naik/articleshow/2710878.cms. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file agreed to license it under the given license.

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If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have provided evidence that their copyright owners have agreed to license their works under the tags you supplied, too. You can find a list of files you have created in [ your upload log]. Files lacking evidence of permission may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. You may wish to read the Wikipedia's image use policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. &mdash;innotata 18:42, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
WormTT  · &#32;(talk) 09:19, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: Reference
Hi Fellow Editor. Thanks for your excellent work on articles, but I must make one request. Please do not use "Wiki's" as references, as they are not considered a valid source. I've checked Sikhiwiki and there is a real problem with WP:Verifiable. Many ThanksS H 09:41, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * A good solution is to look at the references the aricle you are linking to is using See if they meet WP:Verifiable and use those references. ThanksS H 09:52, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

"Desi Romeos" and "Desi Romeo & Juliet"
Hi TariButtar. Is Desi Romeos in any way related to "Desi Romeo & Juliet"? --Shirt58 (talk) 11:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

DD Urdu PROD
Hello! I have removed the PROD tag from DD Urdu as the reason you gave was not good enough. If any wrong information is provided in the article, delete that information. You can still add right information to it. But deletion of the whole page is not required. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 19:43, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Districts of Punjab, India
Template:Districts of Punjab, India has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Muhandes (talk) 18:17, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

March 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates, as you did with Template:Districts of Punjab, India. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. Muhandes (talk) 10:22, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Your edit summary said "Removed t3 tag as this template is..." and so on. The tag you removed in this edit is not a T3 tag, it is a TfD tag, which should not be removed until an admin closes the discussion. Indeed there was a T3 tag on the other template, and as you raise doubts on the validity of a T3 I now replaced that with a TfD as well. --Muhandes (talk) 10:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Districts of Punjab
Template:Districts of Punjab has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Muhandes (talk) 10:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Punjab, Pakistan


A tag has been placed on Template:Punjab, Pakistan requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it must be substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by visiting the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Muhandes (talk) 15:42, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you choose to split the discussion between our two talk pages instead of continuing it in one place, but since that's how you prefer it I went along with you. I explained the entire thing including the above T3 at my talk page following your comment. --Muhandes (talk) 15:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Sakruli
Hello TariButtar. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Sakruli, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''context is clear - it's a village in Punjab. Article has problems, but it's not speediable - inhabited places are considered notable.''' Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 13:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Please help
Hey admin/expert! Thanks for being here, please help, I've a problem: when I try to check my contributions using the tool by tparis it don't show my recently created articles; in fact it's not showing the latest articles created in about the current week. Please help. TariButtar (talk) 06:13, 28 March 2012 (UTC) Do you see it, too? Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 06:31, 28 March 2012 (UTC) By "tool by tparis," I assumed that you meant http://toolserver.org/~tparis/pcount/index.php?name=TariButtar&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia — which shows the caution message I mentioned above. If that's not what you meant, could you be a little more specific? Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 20:57, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * When I look at the Edit log, I see a red banner across the top that says: "Caution: Replication lag is high, changes newer than 1 weeks, 1 days, 9 hours, 11 minutes, 7 seconds may not be shown."
 * Thanks for being here. And No, i didn't see that you told and i don't know what that is. (i want to tell you that i used usual tool 'my contributions' in personal tool box and then i used to click on the 'Articles created' but no latest creation shown) please tell me what it is and when it'll end. TariButtar (talk) 06:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You wrote: "I've a problem: when I try to check my contributions using the tool by tparis"


 * Not this, i meant http://toolserver.org/~tparis/pages/index.php?name=TariButtar&namespace=0&redirects=noredirects - where my recently created articles not shown. And yes i saw the 'Replicationlag caution' by tool, "pcount" mentioned by you. I didn't see it before. Anyway when it'll end and I be able to view the latest creations of mine? TariButtar (talk) 01:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * As for that part of the question, I have no idea. Sorry… Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 02:35, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

April 2012
When adding links to material on external sites, as you did to Billo (film), please ensure that the external site is not violating the creator's copyright. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website's operator has created or licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to a site that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement. This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates its creator's copyright. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. If you believe the linked site is not violating copyright with respect to the material, then you should do one of the following:
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 * If you are the copyright holder or the external site administrator, adjust the linked site to indicate permission as above and leave a note on the article Talk page;

If the material is available on a different site that satisfies one of the above conditions, link to that site instead. VQuakr (talk) 04:53, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

moving Bhangra music article
Sat Sri akal,

You moved the Bhangra (popular music) page to Bhangra (music). I wish you had discussed this first on the Talk page -- moving a page is not a "minor" edit. The problem is that you have misunderstood "popular." Look at popular music. It is a term used to distinguish music that is distributed by mass media for commercial purposes. It is not saying it is "popular" because people like it! The reason just "music" is inadequate is because there is confusion re: diff. uses of "bhangra". We have it's use as the name of various dances. That dance is accompanied by a type of music. However, that music is something one might call "traditional" or "folk" music. The Bhangra (popular music) article is about a distinctly different phenomenon, and it was broken off from the Bhangra (dance) article so as not to conflate them. Discussion of the musical elements related to bhangra dance are part of the dance article. By just calling the music one as "music," it opens the door to confused/unwanted discussions of irrelevant stuff.

Please do consider moving the article back to the way it was, and initiating a discussion on its talk page to gather a consensus. Thanks.DrBaldhead (talk) 07:51, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The move simplified the disambiguation and is thus quite valid without any need for discussion Crusoe8181 (talk) 09:20, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It may be valid, but not necessarily optimal. It may appear to you that there is no need for discussion, but it is more complicated than you might imagine. Therefore, discussion would have been preferred. This is especially the case because the justification of the move (in the edit summary) was not disambiguation. Rather, it noted that the word "popular" was not neutral language. This reflects a misunderstanding, which would have been avoided by discussion with the prior editors of the article. Simplifying disambiguation is good. Changing the title of the article is a different matter. The term "bhangra" has many referents, and to group it as simply "music" actually makes it more ambiguous. True disambiguation would have two music-related categories: "traditional music" and "popular music," as these are different phenomena. However, the first phenomenon is arguably best discussed in relation to dance (as a detail in the dance article).DrBaldhead (talk) 11:23, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Toba Tek Singh (short film) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Toba Tek Singh (short film) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Toba Tek Singh (short film) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 16:48, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Kulbir Singh Kaang
Thanks for this fantastic article! Keep up the good work :). Ironholds (talk) 11:26, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I need your Email to contact you. Please provide any contact details.
Hello Dear, I want to contact you. Please provide your contact details at : I need to know more about Wikipedia. Thanks and Regrads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.214.148.53 (talk) 12:48, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've removed your email address. If you have questoins about Wikipedia, ask them here, or at WP:Help desk. Please do not give out or ask other people for their email address. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Maan Films


A tag has been placed on Maan Films requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.) or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Ridernyc (talk) 03:32, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Deleted page
The entire contents of the page were: "He was a very good artis". Sorry, I don't use talkback templates, as I find them annoying! --Dweller (talk) 08:43, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:CSD. I seem to recall that I actually meant to delete it as an A7, but the preset was for A1 and went through that way. Recreating it to delete it again seemed rather stupid. Sometimes, even us admins make mistakes. Nonetheless, the article as it was, was speediable. Feel free to create a decent, reliably sourced article about him/her. --Dweller (talk) 08:58, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Peron
There's a link from the primary topic (Juan Perón) to Peron (disambiguation), where other uses of the name can be found, including several other places with the same name; I've added your article to the disambiguation page. If you think that Peron should be the disambiguation page or another topic you can use the requested move process - speedy deletion is only for uncontroversial moves. Peter&#160;E.&#160;James (talk) 11:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for this edit on my talk page and adding Peron, Punjab to the disambiguation page. And about Peron, can't it be a redirect to the disambiguation page, if not the title? TariButtar (talk) 11:58, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It's likely that someone looking for information about "Peron" will be looking for an article about the former president of Argentina, if you disagree you could add a {{subst:Requested move}} template to Talk:Peron (disambiguation), and provide a reason for the move. Peter&#160;E.&#160;James (talk) 12:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)