User talk:Itsindwar

Department of Management Studies
Hi. User:Itsindwar. I was the editor who redirected Department of Management Studies, IIT Roorkee, and I see that user:Slashme just restored that redirect.

You appear to be pretty new here, so I'll explain why I did it and I'll explain a bit about Wikipedia. Your edit summary said in part "This is a genuine page of the department". I certainly agree that the department exists and that the page is about the department. However Wikipedia isn't merely an open website for anyone to post anything about anything. It's an encyclopedia. We have various policies about what topics are allowed to have encyclopedia articles, and how articles should be written. You don't need to know all of that stuff. We just expect people to try to follow the policies when a problem is pointed out.

The Department of Management Studies, IIT Roorkee article has several problems and when I saw how good the Indian Institute of Technology Roorkee article was, I thought that a redirect was a good and easy fix. The encyclopedia is here to serve the reader, and I felt that most readers would be really well served by reading the excellent IITR article. My intent was to do what was best for readers.

The first problem with the Department article is that it was written like an advertisement. Wikipedia is supposed to have encyclopedia articles, and they are supposed to be neutral and objective. For example you wrote "exquisitely designed double storeyed building". Phrases like "exquisitely designed" is called puffery. It's a purely subjective description to make it sound better. Even worse was "In the contemporary environment of rapidly evolving global business and commerce, a new knowledge driven society is emerging and revolutionising the acumen needed for managers." That is a completely meaningless string of marketing speak. All it really says is that society has a need for the management profession. That has always been true. I've cleaned up most of promotional language.

The next issue is that anyone could write anything here. Someone could write that the department has an Olympic size swimming pool. (I assume it doesn't, chuckle.) Information here needs to be verifiable. That means that there should be references to reliable sources backing up the information in the article. The information in the article needs more references. We try not to blindly remove valid information, but any information that isn't verified by a proper source may be deleted by anyone at any time. Basic, non-promotional, uncontroversial facts can be sourced from the school website.

Here is the most important issue: In order to have an article, you have to show that the article-subject is notable. You can see a simplified explanation of notability at the link WP:42. Basically, you need to show that multiple reliable sources unconnected to the department already consider it significant enough to write about it. You need a multiple references to books, newspapers, magazines, or other sources that have written stuff about the department. Then the article here summarizes the significant things that have been written about the department. They need to be indepenant sources with editorial oversight, with some reputation for reliability. Not blogs, not the school itself, not press releases, not facebook or other websites where anyone can publish anything. This is really the most important thing. You need to show that the world has already taken note of this department, has already found it significant enough to writes about it. That is the criteria for what gets an encyclopedia article and what doesn't. It won't matter how much you fix the article if you don't have a few good sources to establish notability. The article would just get deleted or redirected back to the main university page again.

I hope that helps. If you can upgrade the article, and you add sources establishing notability, great. If not, then you should just leave it as a redirect to the main university page.

P.S. When you reply you another editor, you should include a link to their username like this user:Alsee, and end your comment with four tildes ~. The software converts the four tildes to a signature, and the link to my user page will give me a notification that I was mentioned. For example I included a link to user Slashme up on the first line of this post, so they're going to see that I left a message here mentioning them. They may or may not comment here, but they will see that I discussed this with you. Alsee (talk) 13:30, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Update: I'm not sure if it was you or someone else, but a logged out user simply reverted the redirect again. That made the situation worse. We try to work cooperatively with people, but we do not allow people to simply edit-war back and forth. Reverting each other a hundred times trying to "win" is not allowed. In order to resolve the continuing dispute the article is now going through our formal Deletion process. You can view the deletion discussion or participate at this link. If you want to avoid page deletion you need to present evidence of Notability. I explained in my last post what kind of sources would be needed to show notability, or you can read the notability link for the full policy details. Alsee (talk) 17:39, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Department of Management Studies, IIT Roorkee (January 23)
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— Za  wl  19:47, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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