User talk:IvoShandor/Archive Oct 2007

The copyediting tiger is back...
I have been particularly vicious in Battle of Apple River Fort and left lots of 's all over the place. I'll make sure I'm online tonight (UK time...let's say up to midnight) so that I can help you with that. About to turn my attention to Horseshoe Bend... Cricketgirl 17:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Have been equally evil at Battle of Horseshoe Bend (1832). Good luck! Cricketgirl 18:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)



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 * Sorry if I was terse/overly nit-picky in my school-ma'am-with-red-pen routine. It's always a pleasure to copyedit for you, and you seem a little stressed... Hope everything's ok. Cricketgirl 11:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Been through both of them again now, they both look good to me. I had a question, which is relevant in both, although I only corrected it in Apple River (because I'm not sure if I'm right!) - see the talk page. Good luck at GAC with those! I'm off to bed now, but I'll check in the morning in case you've had any more questions/ideas. Cricketgirl 23:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem
Sorry about that, I misread how the sentence was written. Thanks for catching it though and I have passed the article for the sweeps. I'm sure I'll run into a few more of your articles before I'm done with all of the "conflicts" articles, so don't hesitate to correct me if I incorrectly reword anything else. Keep up the good work with the GAs! --Nehrams2020 21:28, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll leave a message on your talk page for any more of the articles I review of yours. It will probably be between this month and November at latest, but most likely to October. --Nehrams2020 23:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's still going to take place once a year, but it hasn't been done very throughly in a while. Right now there are about ten or so editors who are rereviewing articles, and we're planning on looking over all of the current ~2,800 GAs. I've reviewed about twenty of the "conflicts" articles so far since I adopted that section, and have about forty articles to go before I move on to another topic. There has been a lot of articles delisted, since many articles were passed before the current standards, and many more have been put on hold until small issues have been addressed. You can read more about the sweeps here. --Nehrams2020 23:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Byron Nuclear Plant
Hi Ivo, I added a few more comments to the peer review after some copyedits and would be glad to look it over again once you have tweaked it based on / after my suggestions. Is there any WikiProject you could ask for advice on it? As for myself, I will be submitting an article to Peer Review later this week, with hopes to take it to FA. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have always left a notice on relevant WikiProject talk pages when I put an article up for FAC. Maybe that would be better at this stage than another PR request, Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Plunketts Creek (Loyalsock Creek) is in peer review now, if you would like to provide any feedback, it would be most appreciated. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey
Did you get my e-mail? -- David  Shankbone  13:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of UIS Journal
UIS Journal, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that UIS Journal satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/UIS Journal and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of UIS Journal during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.  Sasha Callahan   22:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I generally believe in notifying the article's creator. And I used Twinkle to XFD it, and that notifies you as part of the process.    Sasha Callahan   22:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and your own award
Thanks very much for my own, by the way. I am super busy IRL right now, but think I have a better fort icon, the teepee should be easy then. I will work on getting the map finished and earn the award for real ;-) Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC) PS If you can fix the award so it looks right, please do so. Sorry. Ruhrfisch

Frank L. Smith Bank and Dwight, Illinois
Since you just finished creating Frank L. Smith Bank, could you look into sourcing the statement that of three F.L.Wright-deigned banks, it "is the only one still operating as a bank today." in Dwight, Illinois? Circeus 05:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And thanks for the barnstar. Your own work on history has prompted me to work more on Quebec history (science history, actually) myself. Circeus 05:11, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try poking around the BANQ and UDM libraries, but I really can't guarantee much anything. Possibly some stuff is to be found in government publications. Circeus 05:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I had seen the picture, but not noticed the car at all. It is an amazing shot. Circeus 05:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm in East L.A. - you?
You talking to me? Been busy. Long story. You? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronbo76 (talk • contribs) 18:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Ending suspension?
Your comments on the ending of the suspension of WP:FPC are welcome.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

CUR-CHICOTW
Do you remember what talk pages we debated the template at?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know if you notice the new template feature that puts the article in the Category:Articles actively undergoing construction when the template is in the article space and the template takes on a different appearance on the talk page. You should look at the current version of the template.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought you previously were against underconstruction. To say I ignore all opinion is so far of an exaggeration, I would tend to ignore it:-)  More precisely, I have made tremendous changes in the template that vastly tone down WP:ASR concerns.  The template serves a purpose of telling the users it is under construction and why.


 * Can you explain equating addressing complaints about a template and continuing its use after addressing complaints to ignoring all complaints?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * (Knock wood) Almost all complaints were about WP:ASR violations with the numerous links to various pages of WP:CHICAGO and WP:CHICOTW and the huge bold fonts. I have not received any complaints in the last several weeks and numerous DYKs.  I think September was a personal high in DYKs and I had no CUR-CHICOTW complaints.  The debates have not been very organized because they have taken place at T:TDYK and various odd places, so it is hard to track down exact phrasing, but I had no complaints in my most active DYK month so I assume the problem has been resolved with the latest editorial changes to the template.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. I should congratulate you because I think you are going to pass me on WP:GAs if you haven't already.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Bricks
I managed to get my changes in - I wasn't entirely sure how the conflict resolution worked, but I think I've got it now. I did manage to eliminate my question on the second attempt though: were the bricks in France uniquely proportioned ("were only found in France"), or have they been discovered ("have been found in France")? I look forward to seeing the additions; brick stamps sound interesting. Do you have anything on modern use of Roman bricks outside the US? I'm intrigued to know if they are still used elsewhere. Andplus 11:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Award

 * I have a feeling this is going to discourage any would be barnstar placers, I urge it not to let it discourage you would be barnstar placers. Haha! ;) IvoShandor 12:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: A class reviews
The articles that are already GAs could probably be viable candidates; there's no guarantee that they'll pass the first time, but you'll have something concrete to work with even if they don't.

On a side note, Black Hawk War (1832) should probably be converted to use the standard style documented at WP:MILMOS at some point. Kirill 04:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally heavily dislike these military navigation boxes (we have too many different things that prop in the top left corners.). A style closer to band articles templates (without subfolding section, see e.g. Aerosmith or U2) is what I would normally expect. Circeus 04:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that the military navbox style supports full-width boxes as well; see, for example, Civil War DC forts. The overall style remains the same, though, regardless of which option is used. Kirill 04:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope; see my comment just above. It's the style rather than the position we're trying to standardize. (Indeed, given how many entries are in this template, the small-width option wouldn't really work very well anyways.) Kirill 04:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The simplest way of doing it would be something like this; but variations to the layout are obviously possible, depending on what exactly you prefer. Kirill 04:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

KInzua pics
Thanks so much for those pictures of Kinzua bridge and creek. I rearranged the pics in the bridge and park articles to add one of each. I really realy like the overhead view of the creek and will see if I can expand the Kinzua Creek article a bit to get room for it there. Now I just wish I had seen it before the collapse. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wikiproject Illinois 2007 Census
Hi, you put a message on my talk page about resigning up for Wikiproject IL, will provide me with a link on my talk page to that site so that I can resign up? Thanks! --bobsmith319 19:03, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Ivo
Hey Ivo, I'm sorry about the editting. I was just experimenting. I realize that by posting this, i'm also interfering with your page. I'm sorry for that too. I really like what you've done with the springfield page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.59.82.243 (talk) 20:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK expired noms
Please can we take this discussion to the talk page, rather than edit warring on the update page -- I was actually trying to remove EncycloPetey's hidden comments so as to update the page with the extra items and clear the backlog when you reverted my change. Regards, Espresso Addict 14:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note -- I probably shouldn't have used rollback to restore the deleted items (being the project's most dilettante admin, it's actually the first time I've ever used it!) -- sorry! I couldn't find the items readily elsewhere and it seemed the easiest way of restoring them quickly. We then had an edit conflict when you undid my rollback where I was trying to remove the unhelpful hidden comments. I think we should go with the expired noms, which looked fine to me, unless there's any other problem with them? Regards, Espresso Addict 14:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to revert to the version with the (gasp) expired noms, since it seems like more people are for including them than excluding them. Please don't revert my changes, but comment at the talk page if you really think there is some reason they shouldn't be used other than spite. And then take a break; you're a really good contributor and it will be sad to see you go if you're really that frustrated. Rigadoun (talk) 15:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

i didn't mean to piss you off like that. Sorry, IvoS. pls don't go. U do good work at DYK. --74.13.129.143 03:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Marathon GAC
Do you have any advice regarding Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations? You are a much more experienced reviewer than I.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:Did you know/Next update
Whatever is currently on the page, it's blocking access from our school district. The page contains a "banned phrase" according to our protection software. If this content is put up on the main page, it will block access to Wikipedia itself from numerous schools. Sorry I can't be more specific about the problem, but I can't see the page content because of our district's filtering software. --EncycloPetey 15:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this was intended for me, by the way. Cheers, Espresso Addict 16:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Your suggestion
Ivo,

Thanks for suggesting that I get in touch with local officials regarding sourcing that. Actually, the other hook was probably better anyway, and as a matter of fact I'm well acquainted with our town historian (a position every municipality in New York is required to appoint someone to, although it's usually unpaid) and have been sharing printouts of all the NRHP articles I've created pertaining to our town and its three villages (we've been doing quite well in getting listings, actually ... I'm surprised). You might find this article about our town's efforts to preserve our historic properties interesting (and it's just about the ones in the town, not the villages).

Daniel Case 19:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Auto wikibot edits
Thank you for your comments re an incorrect edit with AWB. I was aware that there might have been an issue with this change and obviously did not check closely enough. I will be more careful in future. Welsh 10:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK update
Got there eventually! --Espresso Addict 15:57, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ivo, nice article and great photo! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * They say luck favors the prepared. As for Johnny Appleseed, I copyedited it for a friend a long time ago who was working to get it to FA then left Wikipedia. I still watch it - it is a vandal magnet, so it was nice to see a constructive edit and not vandalism or Apple uses JA in their ads now. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

FL on the main page
You have a critical eye and like to correct me so you may want to take a look at User:TonyTheTiger/LOTD proposal, which I am considering proposing.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It is a rare day when you don't take the opportunity to tell me how I am doing something wrong. What's up?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It was much longer before and people told me to simplify it. I will try to shorten it some more.  Thanks for the feedback.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks for correcting my mistakes at DYK. :) Cheers, faithless   (speak)  09:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I wish I could take the credit, but I didn't take the picture, it's one I found on Creative Commons. Though I plan on stopping by and snapping a few soon, I'd rather use my own than someone else's. faithless   (speak)  09:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XIX (September 2007)
The September 2007 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

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Error on Main Page in DYK
please see my report at WP:ERRORS. Ta. --Dweller 12:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks for your message. I took a deep breath and fixed it meself. If you think it reads clumsily, feel free to suggest an improvement. How many RfAs have you had? --Dweller 13:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's our loss. You should, however, read something into the fact that you very nearly achieved a consensus figure, despite the recency of the dodgy behaviour... if you ran again in a month or two, I think it'd be a snowball, especially if nominated by a couple of uncontentious nominators in good standing. I would also have opposed if I'd seen that RfA, but would support the next one. If at any point you change your mind and decide you're interested, kindly drop me a line straight away. --Dweller 13:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

IL-CHI collaboration
What are you thinking? At times I had thought of x-referencing projects in the banners like WP:WPBIO does with other projects. You know I don't hate you. Of course, I could still use a response (maybe a concession) here: Talk:Jon_Burge.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Roman brick image
There's something wrong with this image, it doesn't show up at all for me (it registers as existing, and the image page gives it a size, but no image either there or on pages where it is used). Do you have any idea what's going on? Rigadoun (talk) 21:11, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's weird, your whole commons page commons:User:IvoShandor/Illinois/Livingston County/Dwight, Illinois/Frank L. Smith Bank doesn't show up, but your other ones do. And the Bank page is similar devoid of images. Very odd; I'll try it from a different computer and on a different browser at work tomorrow and see if anything is different. Rigadoun (talk) 02:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it works in both Safari and Firefox at my computer at work so I don't know what that means. Rigadoun (talk) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Roman brick, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 02:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Horseshoe Bend (1832) on hold
I have now reviewed the above article and placed it on hold. All it required IMO was some minor prose copyediting, which I have undertaken myself - if you can proofread I'll be happy to put through the pass. Cheers! EyeSerene TALK 10:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for pointing out George Gould Strong's father' obit at WikiProject Resource Exchange. I've now read it, but unfortunately his dad's obit doesn't carry enough information about the son for "creating-an-article" purposes. I don't know if George Strong was ever elected mayor of anything.... - Nunh-huh 15:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

GA pass for Battle of Horseshoe Bend (1832)
Congratulations (again) on your hard work - I have now passed this article as meeting the Good Article criteria. Have another one of these!


 * Copy/paste:  

You've taken on quite a task, but it looks like you're well on the way there with the 'Blackhawk War' series. I've certainly enjoyed reading (and reviewing) so far... and all the best with the eventual FA. If you ever need another pair of eyes etc, don't hesitate to get in touch ;)

Well done! EyeSerene TALK 16:37, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:LOTDP
Thanks for the previous advice to shorten. Can you tell me if the current layout looks terse enough for people to ponder or do I need to make it shorter.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs)

Hello
Just wanted to let you know that a bunch of your articles on historic landmarks and your article on Mike Girty were included in Veropedia. They are wonderful. Danny 14:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Invite
Hiya. I noticed your post about Veropedia on Danny's talk page. If you want, we'd be more than happy for you to join and help us out. Check out the FAQ, if you haven't already, for info on the vero-philosophy and what goes on there. We have an IRC channel on freenode, #veropedia, where an account for you can be set up (if you don't have IRC already, this link makes it quick and easy), otherwise just leave me a message on my talk and we can do it here. Thanks for your interest! – Steel 17:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Thanks for your contributions! (Hooray barns!) Nishkid64 (talk) 16:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Mike Girty, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Thanks for helping with the crediting. :) Nishkid64 (talk) 16:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK
You did get a notice for the James the Just article to User:Dbachmann, it's creator, right? Only mentioning this on the basis that it might qualify him for User:Durova/Triple crown winner's circle, depending on whether he has any GAs or FAs. He doesn't actually say anything about having either of those, though, the humble &@$!@~#. I think you would probably qualify for that as well, if you wanted me to nominate you. John Carter 16:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the book with the bloody long title, though the page has been changed to James the Brother of Jesus (book). He actually did create the article, as part of trying to mediate discussion on the Ebionites article, no less. I think that qualifies for real recognition. John Carter 16:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The fire tower barnstar
Thanks! It never fails to amaze me how you never get barnstars when you're expecting them, but only when you're not.

Actually, there are four other firetowers in the Catskills on the Register (the listing was part of the strategy behind keeping them in place). I have a picture of the one on Balsam Lake Mountain; this weekend my son and I are hopefully going to visit the one on Red Hill (the very last one to be closed). As for Overlook and Tremper, I'll have to look on Flickr unless I get up there myself soon. And here in Orange County we have the one on Sterling Mountain; the last one still in use (at least at the turn of the century). I'm sure there are others in other mountainous areas (the Forest Fire Lookout Association has been working to preserve and rebuild them). Daniel Case 20:43, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Attack at Ament's Cabin, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 23:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

CUMTD
Sorry to bug you but I tried to add the CUMTD page to the WikiProject Illinois and the spam filter blocked my request. I'm unsure of what to do at this point and I'm just hoping you can help me out. Thanks and once again, sorry to bug you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkemper (talk • contribs) 13:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Proper protocol for List of the Day proposal
I think my proposal is ready. I have never made as far reaching of a proposal before. What would be the proper protocol for officially announcing my proposal (WP:LOTDP)? Should I place it at the Featured List talk page Main page talk page, Featured content talk page, Village pump (proposals), or all of the above?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess I will probably announce the proposal tomorrow. You only think I should post it at the Village Pump?  I think I should at least also post a link on the FL talk page.  What was  your thinking with suggesting Village pump?  I get your point about only 401 lists.  There have been more than 401 counting WP:FLRCs.  My point is that we have 401 current (1 years supply for the main page), are producing over 30 a month now.  When WP:TFA started (2004-02-22) they only had about 200 WP:FAs and were barely promoting 20 new ones per month.  I also think the quality of the FLs now is at least as good as the FAs were in February 2004.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In order to make the proposal brief I eliminated sections discussing the merits of a new section at the bottom or taking half of the WP:POTD section. I also think saying we only have 4 good lists a month worth featuring is a bit pessimistic.  Should I make it clear that this discussion attempt to limit discussion to this proposal and not get thrown off track by a myriad of alternate proposals that others could come up with.  Of the 400 current featured lists, there must be about 200 that you would feel good about seeing on the main page.  Of the 40 or so produced in each of the last two months, I would think at least half of these are main page worthy.   If these two things are true we are at least where TFA was when it started.  I do think the surest way to derail getting Lists on the main page is to get a bunch of people throwing out various ideas and hope that this does not get torpedoed with such discussions. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You have lost me. What would be the purpose of doing weekly instead of daily if we have sufficient quality lists. Did TFA or POTD start with weekly or did they just jump on the main page with daily editions.  I am fairly certain both started as daily.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirects
Thanks I was fixing double redirects (a necessity, of course), and I figured I would go ahead and fix the in-text ones as well. It was a capricious decision and I'm hardly committed to it. Using WP:AWB helps a lot anyway. How did you find out I was even doing this? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 01:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Copyedits
I will try to look at them tomorrow (Friday). Congrats on the DYK - just saw it. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Here I am with another DYK message:

Wow, you're prolific. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I sort of forgot about this one:


 * The hardest part about updating DYK putting the DYK notices on the article talk pages and onto the user talk pages (like this one), and then I need to copy the results to Recent additions. It's a lot of work, and it would be great if there was a way to automate it.  Unfortunately, I haven't figured out a way to automate it, or even semi-automate it, yet.  There's also the business of making a protected copy of the image, if it's on the Commons, so vandals can't upload vulgar replacement pictures on the Commons.  I never realized how much work DYK was until I became an admin and decided to start updating it.  On the other hand, having new and interesting articles at DYK is a good thing, since it encourages people to write good articles.  So, in other words, keep submitting new articles at DYK, by all means.  Eventually, I'll figure out a way to automate the busywork.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Infobox_nrhp: thanks for patience/star
12-Oct-07: Hi, IvoShandor. Wikid77 here. Thank you for your patience, fixes, and barnstar. That Template:Infobox_nrhp was frying my brain, so I hadn't taken the time to respond to you. I was able to debug the logic in an alternate variation, Template:Infobox_nrhp_map, which allows both the top-image and a small bottom-map. As you might know, it wasn't until expanding with an alternate version that I understood the problems in the original. More below. -Wikid77 05:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Infobox_nrhp_map
12-Oct-07: The alternate variation for Infobox_nrhp, Template:Infobox_nrhp_map, allows exploring new options, such as allowing both the top-image and a small bottom-map. Upgrading the original template would be too disruptive now, until new options are settled. The future I see is for an Infobox with optional top-banner markers (corner icons), and the bottom-map with a custom marker, such as a house symbol or cannon symbol on a battlefield, etc. It should also be possible to generate a small scrollable map within an infobox, to allow users to scroll across a historic site in a smaller scroll viewport, while reading the rest of the article. Even though video is typically slow, a scrollable map/image can be quite fast, and I see scrolling as a stepping stone to the day wiki-videos are more common. For now, view that new infobox in article "Monticello" for a preview of Infobox_nrhp_map. Thanks. -Wikid77 05:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Tiny bottle
I have no idea what that could be. I wouldn't have thought a tiny Coke bottle would have been much of a draw. A giant one maybe, but a tiny one seems pretty run-of-the-mill. As to the five articles in one go, it looks fine to me. Is there a policy against it? The alternative would be five separate nominations which would either make it "Did you know? (Orangeville Edition)" or lead to your nominations being discarded, which doesn't seem fair. I'm not sure whether Matisse's comment was serious; he doesn't give much context. You do crank them out at a fair old pace, though luckily the quality doesn't seem to suffer as a result. Andplus 08:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I just noticed the outdented section. Just ignore him (as I've seen you decided to do anyway), life's too short. Andplus 14:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Sinsinawa Mound raid copyedit
Hello again. Per your request I've done a ce of Sinsinawa Mound raid. One question for you:

This sentence (from the last section):
 * "Henry Dodge ordered the militia to meet at Fort Hamilton to eventually join General Henry Atkinson near present-day Madison, Wisconsin."

strikes me as a little confusing, because I can't see where it fits into the context of its surroundings. Was Col Dodge responding to the raid by turning out more militia forces, or does 'militia' in the sentence refer to Stephenson's men being re-routed somewhere else (ie the search being called off)?

Regards, EyeSerene TALK 17:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comments. I think you've made that much clearer. To be honest there wasn't much to do, but, as you say, another pair of eyes... ;) EyeSerene TALK 17:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

A third pair of eyes
I also did some copyedits - moved the wikilink on British Band to its first appearance, added US to first sentence, made Platteville just the city name (as it was not part of Wisconsin then). Question 1 - is it normal to refer to US Territories without a definite article? To my ear, "settlement in the Michigan Territory" and "governor of the Indiana Territory" sound better, but if this is not the standard formaulation, never mind. Question 2 "Finding no allies, he attempted to return to Iowa..." can you call it Iowa when it was still a territory and not yet the state? I also tweaked the date formulations for the "The week before the Battle of Apple River Fort (on June 24)..." sentence to hopefully be clearer. In "Prelude", do you really need to repeat the last sentence "The attack at Sinsinawa Mound occurred the same week as the battles of Kellogg's Grove and Apple River Fort.[12]" given the same information in the "Background" section? I switched "Jones's" to the descriptive adjective "Jones" twice in "Attack".

In "Aftermath" you mention Jones being elsewhere when the attack occurred - why not put this info in the Prelude too? I had just assumed he was at the fort during the attack until I read this. I made a few other minor tweaks - finally, this seems a tad over wikilinked. Based on Peer Review and FAC comments, I usually try for one wikilink per term per article (with duplicates in the infobox not counting). If an unusual term is in several sections I can perhaps see wikilinking it in each section, but this had several places with the same wikilink repeated in the same section. I removed some, but did not get them all.

Sorry to be slow on this - a perfect Wiki storm is brewing for me. Dincher and I just submitted a list to WP:PR (hoping to get the FL), Larrys Creek is going to be WP:TFA on October 19, so I am doing lots of nitpicky stiff there, and I have an article in WP:FAC (although it has not gotten much feedback yet, so that has been less work, though frustratingly slow). Overall a good article and congrats on the five DYKs in one blow - amazing! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 15:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Looking at Plum  River raid, I am having trouble understanding this sentence: "Present at the settlement, Hays and Goss were trying to round up livestock, while Davidson had left the area in search of a horse, only Pierce remained at the blockhouse." I  know there were 6 men present originally and when the raiders attacked only 3 were there. I tried tweaking it, change as needed. Also if you know where Blundell was, please add that. I also clarified it was horses wounded and killed. Finally for both of these articles, it would be useful to give rough distances (i.e. ...from Galena, about 10 miles (16 km) away...), so there is some idea of the distances involved. Another good job here too. Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch  &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your edits to Sinsinawa Mound raid look fine. Thanks for the Larrys Creek comments - I will answer them there. If you feel like it, we could use PR feedback here. I will be glad to look at Plum River again once you work on it - forgot to mention there - did the settlement have a name then? The article refers to it as modern Savanna, and once as Savanna back then I think. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the FA congrats - I have made most of the chnages you suggested at Larrys Creek, but still need to write the bridge and list articles. I can add the blue creek path to the relief map, but will save it to last as it will take longest. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK (5 in one)
The Illinois coverage on wikipedia is just incredible. Nearly every day a DYK from Illinois is on here. Really really great work. The stuff on the Black Hawk War is also awesome! I wish we had contributors like you from each of the states!!!! Congratulations -your work is always appreciated. Regards baldy  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 10:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Well I think it is awesome. Wikipedia needs more people like you who focus on writing quality articles. You and User:Senkang from Singapore are excellent at this' It never ceases to amaze me how many people would rather argue and get in your way just for the sake of it rather than contribute to articles themselves. When they see you contribute all some people can do is criticise it!!. But always remember there are many like myself who always appreciate it even if they don't let you know about it. For me an important aspect of wikipedia is adding localized knowledge, it is this which makes this an outstanding resource. Keep up the great work. I bow my bald evil head down to you  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦       "Talk"? 19:33, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Laleena
I am new to the Wikiproject Illinois. Oh, and please do not put your newsletter in a barnstar I got from Zachary Crimsonwolf. Cheers, Laleena  16:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Toot toot!
Thanks for the medal! I remember timidly submitting my first DYK back in May and I was call-my-mom excited when it showed up on the main page (no, not literally). Hard to believe I've passed the 25 threshold!

PS I want to echo what Sir Blofeld said above. You're a great editor, someone I really admire at this project. It's an unfortunate fact of life that greatness at anything attracts the spiders. Spiders have nothing to contribute to the world (or the wiki) but they draw their strength from preying on stronger creatures. You attract the spiders because you are good and they are worthless. Don't let that get you down -- the wiki is full of crazy people and spiders and vultures and trolls -- but it's full of good people too. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say the good editors really appreciate having you in their company.

Cheers and thanks again! --JayHenry 03:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Sinisnawa Mound raid... wow
Most welcome... the maps are looking like they'll be great. I've spent an instructive time browsing through the links from User:IvoShandor/articles; being gratified and greatly impressed. Superb work ! - Peripitus (Talk) 11:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Sinsinawa Mound raid
Congratulations on another GA! Great work ;) EyeSerene TALK 12:02, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

CHICOTW
My mother is coming to visit me on the October 24 2007. I will not be able to devote much time to upholding the WP:CHICOTW. You continue to crank out great new articles. I was wondering if you would be willing to do one under the CHICOTW banner for that week. If so, please nominate something. Also, since you tend to do stuff outside of Chicago, it would be great if you came up with a non-Chicago but Cook County topic.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Midwest floods
Got a head start by c/e the "Meteorological" part, but the part about flood watches still in effect as of Aug 27 should be updated and put in the past tense, whatever the date was: "Flood watches remained in effect until Month XXX Date XXX, 2007". Regards, Unimaginative Username 04:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

p.s. After hours of copy-editing Florida Atlantic University, I just found that one of my very-carefully-chosen wording edits was reverted by someone who doesn't know a non-sequitur from his elbow. That is one reason I don't copy-edit more often :-( Unimaginative Username 04:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Apple River Fort GA on hold
Hi Ivoshandor. I have placed this GA assessment on hold; detailed comments on the article talk page. Regards, EyeSerene TALK 17:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikibreak instead?
Hi Ivo, sorry to see you go - why don't you take a wikibreak as long as you want - that way if you find yourself still interested,  you can always come back. WHatever your decision is, take care and do what is best for you. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 19:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC) PS I hope this  wasn't because I am so slow on the Black Hawk map ;-)
 * I agree. I think you should switch the template to Wikibreak.  You are too important, and there are other ways to contribute to Wikipedia, including via Wikinews.  -- David  Shankbone  19:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It could be worse. At least nobody suggested that you could use a roundhouse kick to the skull.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per DavidShankbone. Seriously, you're a great editor and I hope to see you around again some day.  Wikipedia needs people like you. --JayHenry 02:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You'll always be welcome if you decide to come back. I just hope that you do or we won't have any DYKs to put on the main page! It is your decision though and you should do what you want. Take care, James086 Talk &#124;  Email 02:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

2007 Midwest flooding copy-edit complete
Very surprised by your announcement, especially after the request to c/e this article. It required much less change than most articles that have not been copy-edited. Very fine article about a major disaster -- props to all collaborators. Hope to see you back here when you're refreshed. Regards, Unimaginative Username 01:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Please come back
Hi Ivo,

It was great to see your contributions to DYK and the great amount of enthusiasm you showed to the project. Please reconsider your decision. While I agree that there are a few biters here (as your last exchanges indicate), there are a lot more who are motivators (and are motivated by your contributions). Request you to reconsider, wiki needs editors like you... -- ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 04:34, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope that you reconsider too. You bring much to this project. You have written many interesting articles about my neighboring state to the south. I have experienced wikistress at times too. The best way to deal with it is the click the red X in the upper right, and take off at least a week. After returning, I decided to not watch most types of discussions (since they cause wikistress) except if they directly involve something that I know very well. If something else caused you wikistress, then you should avoid it as much as possible if you return. Royal broil  17:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, you really shouldn't be letting these morons on the Wikipedia bother you. Just ignore their comments, make your own back at them, and move on. I personally don't see how the Illinois Project will continue to be extremely successful without your contributions and new newsletter. I will be home tomorrow night, and really hope that you will have reconsidered by then. This guy got exactly what he wanted, which was to drive you from DYK and the Wiki. 21 Illinois articles in October is awesome! I plan on getting going with NRHPs soon, and will be submitting all those to DYK also. Come back bud.--Kranar drogin 20:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I hope I didn't scare him away on that WikiProject Trains talk page thread. We did have a slight disagreement on the use of more than one infobox on active railroad stations listed on the National Register of Historic Places, but it never turned into any heated arguments. To tell you the truth, his leaving is kind of disappointing. DanTD 02:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Please come back. You're a great contributor and don't worry too much about external stuff.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ivo, you will be sorely missed as you keep me level headed and keep my ego in check. I will have to look far and wide across wikiland to find an editor that I look up to like I look up to you for creating such high quality creations at such a high frequency.  Both WP:CHICAGO and WP:ILLINOIS will miss you.  WP:DYK will also miss your great efforts.  I hope you consider coming back.  If not thanks for your contributions and inspiration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back
Welcome back my friend! Like I said to you over AIM, I can be like a poison. haha!--Kranar drogin 10:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed, welcome back. It's good to see you've cancelled your departure. James086 Talk &#124;  Email 11:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I third that emotion, dude! So when ya gonna take some cool new pics, hm? The open road is calling to you. I know I answered it's a call a couple weeks back. Ain't nothing better than a car, a camera, some tunes, and a list of NRHP sites, doncha know. :) -Ebyabe 23:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Woohoo! Welcome back! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey everyone
Thanks so much for such kind words, I suppose I overreacted and owe you all an apology for dragging you into stupid wiki drama. I resolve to be much less dramatic in the future, as well as less active (read not active) in those areas that have caused me the most stress, which would include DYK, and maybe some other areas. Thanks everyone, again. I am not sure when I will return to actually editing again, I am just taking it slow right now.

I guess I just realized that differences with one user is not enough justification for abandoning a cause I so strongly believe in. And, of course, the outpouring of kindness from everyone who posted here had some effect as well. See you around the wiki! IvoShandor 00:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

re Battle of Apple River Fort
Hi IvoShandor, and thanks for the note. I'd noticed a break in activity, but didn't realise you'd been having difficulties. Reading the above comments I can only echo them, and I'm very pleased you've decided against leaving permanently. Nil carborundum - you're far too valuable an editor to lose. As for the article hold, no worries; take whatever time you need. All the best, EyeSerene TALK 09:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Many thanks for your articles about the Black Hawk War. Years ago I took aa all day trip with some people to the various markers in and around Vernon County, Wisconsin about the Black Hawk War. It was an interesting trip. Thank you RFD 15:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

CHICOTW
You may have missed my message here. You create lots of good stuff and was hoping you would cover for me.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought we lost you. Thanks for covering for me.  Anything you want to work on will surely be good.  You see what we do. Basically, anything that fit under the old DYK <1500 rule is good.  I am sure you know a good one that will suffice.  Thank again.  Just nominate something so it looks official for the project and all.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 05:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you decided what you will be doing?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 13:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

About Mattisse
You might not want to talk about that user anymore, but a lot of people have had problems with him. I made an RfC with another user a few weeks ago about Mattisse, but unfortunately not many people looked into it enough to know exactly what was going on. But the funny thing is, me and the other nom also noticed Mattisse's passive-aggressiveness and we talked about it on the RfC. Obviously he was being sarcastic with that comment on DYK's talk page, tried to incite you and get you to lash out, then claim he did nothing wrong. This is nothing new for Mattisse. Please look at Mattisse's contribution history. Just a couple of days ago he nominated for deletion per copyvio for dozens of his own articles. I hope you feel OK enough to comment about this situation and Wikipedia can get together to do something about it. - Cyborg Ninja 04:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Apple River Fort GA pass
Your clarifications have helped considerably. I have passed the article - thank you for your hard work, and it's good to see you back on form ;) Guess what? Have one more of these:

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Congratulations on another GA ;) EyeSerene TALK 09:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see you didn't leave us
I'm glad to see you didn't leave us, Ivo! I look forward to seeing more great work from you. :) Nishkid64 (talk) 04:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Agriculture
Thanks for joining. Take a look at our Task List and the discussions on our talk page for ideas, and feel free to add your own! This project should have been started a long time ago and there's lots of work to be done!--Doug.(talk • contribs) 22:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

British Army
Please looks at Talk:British Army Jooler 23:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)