User talk:Ivshti

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Speedy deletion nomination of Linvo
A tag has been placed on Linvo, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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Articles for deletion nomination of Linvo
I have nominated Linvo, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Linvo. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message.  Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 02:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for all the speedy work. Even if the article is deleted, I hope you stay, we need people like you.  ceran  thor 02:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Ivshti, I left this comment on the AfD page, but thought I'd leave it here too: "[U]nfortunately the issue isn't just whether it can be proven that Linvo exists, or whether the facts about it can be proven. The issue is whether Linvo is notable enough for a standalone article in an encyclopedia.  (See also WP:BUTITEXISTS.)  If every piece of software ever written had an article, Wikipiedia wouldn't be an encyclopedia but an indiscriminate compendium of facts."
 * I hope you understand, and I'm sorry your first editing experience here was having your article immediately marked for deletion! That happens too often.  I hope you're going to stick around to edit other software articles and whatever else you find interesting. Thanks--    Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 19:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

--Ivshti (talk) 20:46, 7 January 2010 (UTC)Don't want to compare in this way, but I'll do it. There are a lot of Slax/Ubuntu remasters (nothing against them) with a standalone article. I think Linvo has to exist somewhere around wikipedia, because it's the first Slackware-based LiveCD with GNOME. I can't provide a good reference for that, that's why I deleted it from the article. However, try finding a Slackware-based LiveCD with GNOME. And a lot of people have been searching for that. I can't insert Linvo in the Slackware article, because I can't provide a good short description. Also, if I describe the changes from Slackware to Linvo better in the article, and make it larger, describing what's notable and different, will the delete proposal be removed?
 * Things aren't generally notable simply because they are the "first" or "only." Generally, things are notable if they have "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."  So if being the first Slackware-based LiveCD with GNOME is special, people will notice and discuss it and it will then be notable.  And as far as the existence of articles on other non-notable OS releases, I hear you but check out WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS.  Good luck--   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 23:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

--Ivshti (talk) 00:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)So putting it simple, I have to post some reviews? --Ivshti (talk) 15:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)Yeah, nice. Linvo is mentioned in a Slax review (http://www.linuxforu.com/reviews/slax-6-slacks-off-to-you/ in the "Derivates" paragraph, although Linvo is not based on Slax ) It has also a review, but sadly it's in Japanese http://tamamichan.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2010-01-07 I also have some news reports, but sadly they are in the official website which seems that won't work. http://linvo.org/?page=news&id=2 Even for now, it seems not enough for Wikipedia. So we will see. If it gets deleted, NP, just warn me so I can back it up (or I guess Wikipedia automatically does that). Than I'll submit the article again when Linvo gets in Distrowatch and gets enough reviews and stuff.
 * Yeah, reviews in computer magazines and that sort of thing would be one way to establish notability. Also, news reports about the software would probably show notability.  It's hard give exact guidelines beforehand, and different reviewers will have different ideas.  But I can tell you a couple of things that almost certainly would not help, because they would not be considered reliable sources:  user reviews on a message forum or blog, reviews from the software's author or company, descriptive statements on download sites, and that sort of thing.  I hope this helps--   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 13:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, the Japanese site is just someone's blog, as you can probably see more clearly from the Google Translate version. And you're right that the Linvo press release doesn't help and the mention in Linux For You Magazine is too short and passing to establish notability (though it's a start).  Also, although it's possible for an admin to undelete a deleted article, probably a better way is to "userfy" the article, and I'll leave a note at the AfD asking a closing admin to do so.  (A word to the wise: articles in userspace can also be deleted, but this generally only happens when they're clearly for advertising, so you want to make sure the article maintains a neutral tone.)   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 20:45, 8 January 2010 (UTC)