User talk:J03yk

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, J03yk. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about in the article FCP Euro, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:


 * avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your family, friends, school, company, club, or organization, as well as any competing companies' projects or products;
 * instead, you are encouraged to propose changes on the Talk pages of affected article(s) (see the request edit template);
 * when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or to the website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:10, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Drm310 Hello, I am not nor was I being paid to complete the page FCP Euro. They had issues in the past with creating an article for their business. I decided to try and get something going for Alex and Scott to get started with and add to for a wikipedia page. Can I ask specifically why this page is being taken down now? I know they are spending a lot of time there now getting this page going. J03yk (talk) 16:33, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The reason I asked you about your connection was because I found off-wiki evidence that suggested you have an affiliation with the company. Even if you aren't being paid, having some kind of personal or professional connection to this business is still considered a conflict of interest, which you should disclose.
 * The owners should not be writing about their own company, as it is an inherent conflict of interest. It is reasonable to assume that someone involved with a company has the intent to use Wikipedia to promote the business, which is not allowed. Even if their intentions are not self-serving, their positions impair their ability to judge their own company's notability and write objectively about it. So far, all the sources used are authored by the business, making the article incapable of meeting Wikipedia's notability criteria for inclusion. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:07, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Drm310 So the only way to go about helping with this article is if I suggest edits in the Talk Page of FCP Euro? If you are requiring that the article writer is not directly affiliated with the company, how can that work out with sourcing information and not directly being affiliated with the company? I would not have know about the company if it wasn't for their online presence. Unfortunately I don't think anyone would have thought to write an article about the company except myself. If this all just means the article will be taken down, can you tell me what needs to happen next? If another outside student writer has to come along today that will have absolutely no affiliation with the company, I can make that happen right now. I know people like myself who have purchased items from the company that would put in sourced information if I were to put the suggestion out there. Would that violate the COI still?


 * First of all, thank you for clarifying your relationship with the company. I am satisifed that you are not being compensated for your efforts here.
 * The root of my COI concerns with you was that you seem to have a personal relationship with the company owners, and were aiding them directly in their efforts to write an article. That is why I would advise you not to edit the article directly and restrict your contributions to the talk page. If you'd simply been a customer with no direct involvement with the company's management, I would have been less concerned.
 * In a general sense, one could argue that a customer of a business has some COI bias - positive or negative - based on their experience with that business. But it's a lesser degree than someone who's had direct contact with the business owners and actively helping them here.
 * An uninvolved editor searches for sources about a company by following Wikipedia guideline Identifying reliable sources. One should seek out reliable sources that are independent of the company and have an established reputation for fact-checking and editorial oversight. A company's own website is a valid primary source, but isn't enough to establish that the company is notable enough for inclusion. Similarly, company-authored material like press releases will not count to establishing notability because they lack an independent viewpoint and are almost always written to portray the company favourably.
 * If enough objective, third-party writing are available, then the topic is likely notable enough for inclusion. If there are insufficient sources to establish notability, then there should be no article. Poorly-sourced, non-neutral articles damage Wikipedia's reputation as an objective reference, so it's better that those types of articles not exist.
 * I hope all of this answers your questions. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:05, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Drm310 Wow yes that absolutely did help. See, I had the concern that you or any other editor would not be okay with anyone who has ever affiliated with FCP Euro whether through their online sales or YouTube presence and any of those people would be considered a COI. To me, that is just silly considering the fact they have hundreds of thousands of customers they have served. From now on if I do decide to provide info that I find, I will be sure that I post in articles talk pages and not the visible user page. To be completely honest, I had no clue the talk page existed until I made this new login a few weeks ago. I am still used to Wikipedia's old setup where you'd only have the main user page and not a "talk page." I will be sure to read about all the updated guidelines though before I get myself reacquainted with Wikipedia.

I do have one concern... I posted a logo photo in the infobox for FCP Euro that I downloaded off of their website. How do I get that photo deleted and notify them that they have to post the photo themselves since its not mine? I could post it in the talk page but how do I get the photo deleted from my account so I am not a direct affiliate? I believe the photo name was fcp-euro-logo or something along those lines. J03yk (talk) 19:21, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * That's a good approach if you have a close relationship with a topic. I wouldn't be concerned if you're just a casual customer of a business - there should be enough detachment. But if you're chummy with the owners, then your neutrality gets compromised, even if you aren't aware of it. Even the most well-intentioned editor can be compromised by unconscious biases when they have a close connection to a topic. For the same reasons, we advise people not to write articles about themselves, their family, friends or work.
 * As for the logo file, you would have added it at Wikimedia Commons, which is the image repository for Wikipedia. On your talk page there, I see the file has already been deleted as a copyright violation.
 * The owners of the logo can choose to donate the file to Wikipedia, but there are conditions. Any donated copyrighted material - text or images - becomes permanently and irrevocably licensed under a Creative Commons license, which allows for its free re-use by anyone, even for commercial purposes. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:59, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of FCP Euro for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article FCP Euro is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/FCP Euro until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:25, 27 March 2017 (UTC)