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Administrators' newsletter - February 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2017). This first issue is being sent out to all administrators, if you wish to keep receiving it please subscribe. Your feedback is welcomed.

Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg NinjaRobotPirate • Schwede66 • K6ka • Ealdgyth • Ferret • Cyberpower678 • Mz7 • Primefac • Dodger67
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Briangotts • JeremyA • BU Rob13

Guideline and policy news
 * A discussion to workshop proposals to amend the administrator inactivity policy at Wikipedia talk:Administrators has been in process since late December 2016.
 * Pending changes/Request for Comment 2016 closed with no consensus for implementing Pending changes level 2 with new criteria for use.
 * Following an RfC, an activity requirement is now in place for bots and bot operators.

Technical news
 * When performing some administrative actions the reason field briefly gave suggestions as text was typed. This change has since been reverted so that issues with the implementation can be addressed. (T34950)
 * Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
 * The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee released a response to the Wikimedia Foundation's statement on paid editing and outing.

Obituaries
 * JohnCD (John Cameron Deas) passed away on 30 December 2016. John began editing Wikipedia seriously during 2007 and became an administrator in November 2009.

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March 2017 WikiCup newsletter
And so ends the first round of the competition, with 4 points required to qualify for round 2. It would have been 5 points, but when a late entrant was permitted to join the contest in February, a promise was made that his inclusion would not result in the exclusion of any other competitor. To achieve this, the six entrants that had the lowest positive score of 4 points have been added to the 64 people who otherwise would have qualified. As a result, some of the groups have nine contestants rather than eight. Our top four scorers in round 1 were:


 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Cas Liber, last year's winner, led the field with two featured articles on birds and a total score of 674.
 * 🇪🇺 Iry-Hor, a WikiCup newcomer, came next with a featured article, a good article and a tally of 282 bonus points for a score of 517. All these points came from the article Nyuserre Ini, an Ancient Egyptian pharaoh,
 * 🇯🇵 1989, another WikiCup newcomer, was in joint third place at 240. 1989 has claimed points for two featured lists and one good article relating to anime and comedy series, all of which were awarded bonus points.
 * Peacemaker67 shared third place with five good articles and thirteen good article reviews, mostly on naval vessels. He is also new to the competition.

The largest number of DYKs have been submitted by Vivvt and The C of E, who each claimed for seven, and MBlaze Lightning achieved eight articles at ITN. Carbrera and Peacemaker67 each claimed for five GAs and Krishna Chaitanya Velaga was well out in front for GARs, having reviewed 32. No featured pictures, featured topics or good topics yet, but we have achieved three featured articles and a splendid total of fifty good articles.

So, on to the second round. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 1 but before the start of round 2 can be claimed in round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points equally.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is a good article candidate, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth 13:52, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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You've got mail!
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 * Hello are you still interested in having your Newspapers.com account renewed? I'm still waiting on a response to the email I sent. --Cameron11598 (Talk) 16:06, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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May 2017 WikiCup newsletter
The second round of the competition has now closed, with just under 100 points being required to qualify for round 3. YellowEvan just scraped into the next round with 98 points but we have to say goodbye to the thirty or so competitors who didn't achieve this threshold; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. Our top scorers in round 2 were:


 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Cas Liber, led the field with five featured articles, four on birds and one on astronomy, and a total score of 2049, half of which came from bonus points.
 * 🇯🇵 1989 was in second place with 826 points, 466 of which were bonus points. 1989 has claimed points mostly relating to anime and Japanese-related articles.
 * Peacemaker67 took third place with two FAs, one GA and seven GARs, mostly on naval vessels or military personnel, scoring 543 points.
 * Other contestants who scored over 400 points were Freikorp, Carbrera, and Czar. Of course all these points are now wiped out and the 32 remaining contestants start again from zero in round 3.

Vivvt submitted the largest number of DYKs (30), and MBlaze Lightning achieved 13 articles at ITN. Carbrera claimed for 11 GAs and Argento Surfer performed the most GARs, having reviewed 11. So far we have achieved 38 featured articles and a splendid 132 good articles. Commendably, 279 GARs have been achieved so far, more than double the number of GAs.

So, on to the third round. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed in round 3. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points equally.

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Jeremiah Arkorful
You deleted this article in 2013. The AFD concluded he was NN as a U20 Ghana player who never played in a professional league. Since then, according to List of foreign footballers in top leagues of former Yugoslavia, he has played for Hajduk Split in the 2014-15 season. I think that would now get him past WP:NFOOTY. Can you restore this, or does it need to go to DRV? SpinningSpark 11:34, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Now at Deletion review/Log/2017 June 14. —Cryptic 09:59, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

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How many news coverage is a substantial coverage
Hello. Yet another year of [HKOSCon] conference has past. We have some new media coverage. Just want to know how much is enough for the "substantial coverage" requirement?

Koala Yeung (talk) 09:38, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2017 July newsletter
The third round of the competition has finished in a flurry of last minute activity, with 288 points being required to qualify for round 4. It was a hotly competitive round with all but four of the contestants exceeding the 106 points that was necessary to proceed to round 4 last year. Coemgenus and Freikorp tied on 288, and both have been allowed to proceed, so round 4 now has one pool of eight competitors and one of nine.

Round 3 saw the achievement of a 26-topic Featured topic by MPJ-DK as well as 5 featured lists and 13 featured articles. PanagiotisZois and SounderBruce achieved their first ever featured articles. Carbrera led the GA score with 10, Tachs achieved 17 DYKs and MBlaze Lightning 10 In the news items. There were 167 DYKs, 93 GARs and 82 GAs overall, this last figure being higher than the number of GAs in round 2, when twice as many people were taking part. Even though contestants performed more GARs than they achieved GAs, there was still some frustration at the length of time taken to get articles reviewed.

As we start round 4, we say goodbye to the fifteen or so competitors who didn't quite make it; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them (some people have fallen foul of this rule and the points have been removed).

If you are concerned that your nomination, whether it be for a good article, a featured process, or anything else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth 05:38, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

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Definitions of pogrom

 * Articles for deletion/Definitions of Pogrom (delete 10 March 2013)
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 * Definitions of pogrom created 10:38, 2 February 2014‎ Onceinawhile . . (20,121 bytes) (+20,121)‎

I had not joined the dots until now. An article that Onceinawhile created was put up for AfD. Most editors who took part in that Afd thought it WP:Synth. It was deleted by you from artilce space and moved to Onceinawhile's user space in March 2013 less than a year later it was recreated by Onceinawhile with a title less than one letter different (but using cut and past rather than move). I'll will not be following this up, but leave this as a heads up for you to follow up if you wish to. -- PBS (talk) 13:41, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of File:Back to the Future Intrada Special Collection 2-CD Score.jpg


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WikiCup 2017 September newsletter
Round 4 of the WikiCup has ended and we move forward into the final round. In round 4, a total of 12 FAs, 3 FLs, 44 GAs, 3 FLs, 79 DYKs, 1 ITN and 42 GARs was achieved, with no FPs or FTs this time. Congratulations to Peacemaker67 on the Royal Yugoslav Navy Good Topic of 36 items, and the 12 featured articles achieved by Cas Liber (5), Vanamonde93 (3), Peacemaker67 (2), Adityavagarwal (1) and 12george1 (1). With a FA scoring 200 points, and bonus points available on top of this, FAs are likely to feature heavily in the final round. Meanwhile Yellow Evan, a typhoon specialist, was contributing 12 DYKs and 10 GAs, while Adityavagarwal and Freikorp topped the GAR list with 8 reviews each. As we enter the final round, we are down to eight contestants, and we would like to thank those of you who have been eliminated for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. The lowest score needed to reach round 5 was 305, and I think we can expect a highly competitive final round.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 10 days of "earning" them. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed. It would be helpful if this list could be cleared of any items no longer relevant. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck, and let the best man (or woman) win! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth 06:26, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

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BLPPROD of Kōji Ochiai
Hi J04n,

I removed the BLPPROD you placed on Kōji Ochiai. I often find that the BLPPROD policy confuses people. One key point about it that I think people often overlook is that even an external link or unreliable source present in an article prevents a BLPPROD from being placed on that article, provided it verifies any information about the subject in the article. It is only if a BLPPROD is properly placed on an article without even those sorts of sources that a reliable source needs to be added in order to remove the BLPPROD. So in this case, the article wasn't eligible for BLPPROD due to the external links, even though they are considered unreliable sources. You should of course feel free to use regular PROD or AFD on the article if you think it should be deleted for any other reason, such as lack of notability. Calathan (talk) 05:19, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

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George T. Sink
Hi, I noticed you deleted George T. Sink, I was wondering how it would differ from Stephen Babcock (lawyer) who seems even less notable. Sink has an award with his name besides the other awards. Could you help me clarify? Barbarabcarneiro (talk) 00:53, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Barbarabcarneiro, the page was a result of this discussion, Articles for deletion/George T. Sink. One page appearing on Wikipedia is not justification for a similar page. -- J04n(talk page) 19:14, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Amine Gouiri
May you userfy Amine Gouiri to me? Im sure he'll make his senior debut soon, perhaps this week, and then I'll create the page again.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:55, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * All set. it is at User:Ortizesp/Amine Gouiri -- J04n(talk page) 17:37, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Bryce Hirschberg
Hi, I'm reaching out about the close of the above discussion. I see four votes for deletion, and two specifically mentioned notability. So it's not clear that this was a consensus to keep. I wonder if you may be willing to relist the discussion, in lieu of a close. Your thoughts on this matter would be appreciated. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:46, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * @User:K.e.coffman. Good point, I actually think that your comments were the only valid ones for deleting. Hopefully the conversation will continue. Relisted. -- J04n(talk page) 13:05, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jo4n! First of all, yes I know that I am an autobiographical writer. I wanted to say thank you for putting that aside and allowing to "keep" the page. I tried my hardest to be unbiased and feel like I did a good job all the while adequately sourcing all of the information from very notable and reputable sources. Just wondering what the protocol is when a article is relisted.. is it another week of discussion? Can it be a "speedy keep"? How often are articles kept then nominated for delete a second time? If you think there is anything I can do to improve the article I will do so! Thanks again! Bryce hirschberg (talk) 14:47, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It would stay listed for at least another week, if a strong consensus is formed one way or the other before the week is up it may be closed early but that is unlikely. The best course of action for you now is to do nothing. -- J04n(talk page) 13:00, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for relisting! Much appreciated. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:46, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2017 November newsletter: Final results
The final round of the 2017 WikiCup is over. Congratulations to the 2017 WikiCup top three finalists:
 * First Place -
 * Second Place -
 * Third Place -

In addition to recognizing the achievements of the top finishers and everyone who worked hard to make it to the final round, we also want to recognize those participants who were most productive in each of the WikiCup scoring categories:
 * Featured Article – Cas Liber (actually a two-way tie with themselves for an astonishing five FAs in R2 and R4).
 * Good Article – Adityavagarwal had 14 GAs promoted in R5.
 * Featured List – and  both produced 2 FLs in R2
 * Featured Pictures – improved an image to FP status in R5, the only FP this year.
 * Featured Topic – has the only FT of the Cup in R3.
 * Good Topic – Four different editors created a GT in R2, R3 and R4.
 * Did You Know – Adityavagarwal had 22 DYKs on the main page in R5.
 * In The News – had 14 ITN on the main page in R2.
 * Good Article Review – completed 31 GARs in R1.

Over the course of the 2017 WikiCup the following content was added or improved on Wikipedia: 51 Featured Articles, 292 Good Articles, 18 Featured Lists, 1 Featured Picture, 1 Featured Topics, 4 Good Topics, around 400 Did You Knows, 75 In The News, and 442 Good Article Reviews. Thank you to all the competitors for your hard work and what you have done to improve Wikipedia.

Regarding the prize vouchers - please send  an email from the email address to which you would like your Amazon voucher sent. Please include your preference of global Amazon marketplace as well. We hope to have the electronic gift cards processed and sent within a week.

We will open up a discussion for comments on process and scoring in a few days. The 2018 WikiCup is just around the corner! Many thanks from all the judges. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. ,, and MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:42, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2018
So the 2017 WikiCup has come to an end. Congratulations to the winner, to the other finalists and to all those who took part. 177 contestants signed up, more than usual, but not all of them submitted entries in the first round. Were editors attracted by the cash prizes offered for the first time this year, or were these irrelevant? Do the rules and scoring need changing for the 2018 WikiCup? If you have a view on these or other matters, why not join in the WikiCup discussion about next year's contest? , and. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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RE Paddada Jagadeeswar Rao
Hi. Can you review these ? Thanks. Quis separabit? 22:11, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * If you believe this was inappropriately deleted you should bring it to Deletion review. J04n(talk page) 13:36, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * No. You were the deleting admin for Paddada Jagadeeswara Rao. I merely am bringing to your attention that another article for same person (one letter different in spelling of middle name ["Jagadeeswar", not "Jagadeeswara"]) exists and is up for speedy deletion. I thought, as the closing admin of the first article, you would be interested. Yours, Quis separabit?  22:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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Copy of Brian D'Ambrosio for comparisson
Last year you deleted Brian D'Ambrosio as a result of Articles for deletion/Brian D'Ambrosio (2nd nomination). Now there is a draft on the same subject, Draft:Brian Anthony D'Ambrosio, awaiting review at Articles for creation. May I have a copy of the deleted article restored somewhere (my user space, for example)? I wish to compare it with the draft and evaluate whether the draft's sourcing is enough improved that if I accept it at AfC, it would likely survive any nomination for deletion. --Worldbruce (talk) 07:45, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * All set, it is at User:Worldbruce/Brian D'Ambrosio

They Are Billions
Respectfully, if the close is to draftify, it should be moved to draftspace instead of deleted. I don't want to give any appearance of wheelwarring though, are you ok if I restore and move? -- ferret (talk) 17:17, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I must claim ignorance, do I just move it to Draft:They Are Billions? -- J04n(talk page) 17:24, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's all. Just a normal move changing the name space from (Article) to Draft. -- ferret (talk) 17:26, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Very good, thanks -- J04n(talk page) 17:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Appreciated! I'll try to make some update and incorporate the newer sources soon. -- ferret (talk) 17:30, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/CE Holkar
Why did you give air to the delete concept? There was no pretense to due process for deletion here. A closer could not possibly identify any articles to delete. There was some organization for a set of redirects which had some support, but not deletes. Why didn't you close this as a WP:TRAINWRECK and warn nominators not to do it again? Respectfully, what does it take to get AfD administrators to apply WP:Deletion policy and respect and support our content contributors? Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 22:56, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The deletion arguments were stronger and inline with WP:N. -- J04n(talk page) 14:06, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

George Olshevsky
You can move a copy of the deleted bio Articles_for_deletion/George_Olshevsky to my userspace. I'm not a bio-writer, but if someone comes along, I'm glad to be a holder. Tom Ruen (talk) 00:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * done: can be found at User:Tomruen/George Olshevsky

Articles for deletion/Characters in Dale Brown novels (2nd nomination)
I'm puzzled by your close here: None of the 'delete and don't merge' opinions cited any actual policy, contra WP:ATD-M, which gives clear direction on merging fictional elements. No one is arguing that any of the content was appropriately sourced, but there is no requirement, anywhere, that only currently sourced content can be merged from one article to another. We don't delete articles just because their content is unreferenced, we delete it when they are unreferenceable, and no argument to that effect was even made. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 07:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * On second thought I agree with you. Will change the close. -- J04n(talk page) 14:14, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Deletion discussion at CE Holkar
Could I ask you to reconsider this close? I think there was a strong consensus to delete, but you seem to have overruled it on the basis of the result of another AfD and the existence of related discussions elsewhere. Neither is a reason to discard a clear consensus at AfD. Thanks, Reyk  YO!  08:21, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed, we cannot be influenced by the result of another AFD, simply because the subject was the same. Otherwise, editors may as well present diffs of other AFDs as a "rationale" to keep.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 11:58, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * In a comment at Articles for deletion/Carl Bergmanson, you stated that citing WP:POLOUTCOMES "totally rebutted [an] argument". There, you are "totally" supportive of an OSE argument; while here, you state that they "cannot" be used at AfD.  Care to explain?  Unscintillating (talk) 14:01, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Response, had it only been for the other AfD I would have closed as redirect but with the other 2 open discussions I felt it wasn't appropriate to close one way or the other. -- J04n(talk page) 14:10, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Deletion review for CE Holkar
An editor has asked for a deletion review of CE Holkar. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Reyk YO!  16:37, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Dean Dunham
Hello,, I don't believe we've crossed paths here before. My name is Eggishorn and I noted you deleted this article after I had reverted it to an earlier state. That earlier state included a BLPPROD tag and in the deletion log you listed "Expired BLPPROD" as part of the rationale. Some may challenge this as being technically incorrect because I essentially restored an old one from October when I reverted. I think the second part of the rationale ("unsourced BLP") does hold since the sources that had been added between the time I reverted to and the present time were almost entirely negative and relied either on articles about this person's father or standard business filings with the UK's Company House. expressed some similar concerns at the BLP/N.

TL;DR version: I think the deletion is correct and I thank you for doing it, but you may want to correct (if that's possible) the deletion log. Thanks again. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:10, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing this out. I restored the page. Feel free to nominate for deletion or page protection as you see fit. -- J04n(talk page) 12:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)