User talk:J9A10

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Making J9A10 ready for WP
Are you the user that asked for help on the page? I have a comment written by an anonymous user, but I'm assuming you have a username now? If I'm talking to the right person, I would be glad to help you create J9A10. Go ahead and reply here, and I will watch this page and will chat with you here. Welcome to Wikipedia! - grubber 19:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the warm welcome! Grubber. Please could you give some ideas on what kind of content should be added to this page to make it WP ready?. I have spent a few hours trying to research the web. Using Google, Yahoo, MSN with multiple keyword combinations of kerala,card(s),game(s),fiftysix, twenty eight, club(s), etc. But my research has yielded litte results. I also have been speaking to a few friends and hence the item on Kunukku. I was thinking it would help to include at least some basic explantion of how the value 56 is calcuated based on the points carried by each card and the total number of cards. The earlier page used the images from the website which i guess is a violation of copyright? what if we get the permission of the copyright can we use them then? -- J9A10 01:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd be glad to help you. First, we have to establish that it deserves a wikipedia article. Does the card game exist outside of the website? Was it invented only for that site? Is it very popular? Is it well-known? If these kinds of questions cannot be answered, the article could be deleted. We have to establish that the game has a presence outside of the website that apparently invented the game -- if there is one. - grubber 17:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well to begin with let me say that J9A10 is not only a version of 56 but it generally represents the class of games which use the hierarchy J,9,A,10 these games are 28, 29, 56 and others in this class. The only reference to J9A10 i could find is on Pagat Guide. The other website which comes up when we search for J9A10 is PlayFiftySix but the site is down. -- J9A10 03:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, in your opinion, will people still be playing the game 10 years from now? If the website closed, would people still play it? - grubber 16:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I can be very certain that a significant number of people will continue to play the game offline even if the website closed. It is currently played by a large number of people across the world. This game originated in southern India in the state of Kerala and from there it has spread across the world. Reason: Kerala, a small and very beautiful state in India has a significantly large diaspora. (Please see the diaspora link). The people of Kerala origin are called Malayalis have a strong presence in the West Asia, U.S.A, U.K., continental Europe, Khazakstan(erstwhile USSR), and Africa. Hence, the game is not just a local India phenomenon but has a global following. It beats me as to why the Malayalis have not made enough websites or references to these games online. If i browse through discussion groups i see references to all the variants of J9A10 (Fifty Six, Twenty Nine, Twenty Eight) but no specific sites or content that talks about the game in detail. The game may not be as popular as Poker but is surely as exciting. Having played the game i can say that it is a game if one gets hooked on to would be very hard to give up. - J9A10 20:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I put almost a full day! of research on this today. The first few hours were really frustrating search of the web which brought me to the conclusion that we need a better search engine than Google! Finally, i made a lot of phone calls to players who i know have been playing this game for over 15-20 years. The final compilation of my research is on the page now. Look forward to your comments. J9A10 23:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, well good job on the research. Make sure you read WP:OR, which discusses something we can "original research" or "OR". OR is when you do research and the article is the result of your research. Wikipedians dont like that. They would prefer that an article be based on already exisiting research, that way it can be verified. So, keep up the research for the article, but be careful about crossing the OR line. - grubber 19:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Will keep that in mind. -J9A10 17:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Afd Talk page for J9A10
Grubber this page has been deleted or the content is not visible any more. But the Deletion note has not been removed from the J9A10 page. Does this mean that J9A10 is WP Ready? J9A10 11:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The page hasn't been deleted or removed as far as I can tell. The article is looking much better, by the way! - grubber


 * I think I know what you mean. Some anon editor messed with the link to the AfD talk page.. I fixed it. Check it out, too, because there's a couple questions some editors asked, and I think you could help your case by responding. - grubber 20:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Have asked them to refer to the updated version of the page. I guess if they still have questions they will ask again. -J9A10 17:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

It looks like the AfD has been relisted since there wasnt enough input on it. We'll see what happens. Do you have any more questions? - grubber 00:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you think i should do to convince the others that we should keep the page on Wikipedia?J9A10 00:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Just respond to their concerns.. fix up the article to meet them... - grubber 17:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, will wait for additional comments after the relisting. J9A10 20:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * There is just 1 note so far asking for redirecting the page. J9A10 20:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)