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Don't feed the trolls!
That is all I have to say :D --Samtheboy (t/c) 22:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * (sigh) JAF1970 (talk) 23:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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GOW2
What website did you find the box art for Gears of War 2 on? King  Rock Go 'Skins! 03:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Joystiq. JAF1970 (talk) 04:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Civility
This is the second time I have to remind you. Be civil. I don't care if they are wrong and you are right. USING BOLD CAPS LOCK is considered shouting and is unacceptable, as you did here. Our policy states that major viewpoints can be included in articles, as stated in WP:WEIGHT, from Jimbo himself.
 * From Jimbo Wales, paraphrased from this post from September 2003 on the mailing list:
 * If a viewpoint is in the majority, then it should be easy to substantiate it with reference to commonly accepted reference texts;
 * If a viewpoint is held by a significant minority, then it should be easy to name prominent adherents;
 * If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small (or vastly limited) minority, it does not belong in Wikipedia (except perhaps in some ancillary article) regardless of whether it is true or not; and regardless of whether you can prove it or not.


 * Therefore, if a viewpoint is held by a majority, or a significant minority, it should be easy to name. The reliable third party sources are evidence that the viewpoint is held by a significant minority/majority, therefore cannot be excluded merely as you have a comment from a game designer. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 23:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * A "significant majority" once believed the Earth was flat, rocks never fell from the sky, and South America and Africa were never connected. JAF1970 (talk) 01:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm talking about the references as they stand now, not in 200 years. If there are reliable, third party sources, then it warrants inclusion in an article. If you don't like it, take it to the Mediation Comittee. I doubt you will have much more success there. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 01:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Partick Buechner and Will Wright are fairly reliable sources for Spore, wouldn't you say? JAF1970 (talk) 01:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Either way, the fact remains, one primary source doesn't nullify 10 other third party sources. Go to the proposals page. Write your sourced version. Thats how this is going to work. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 01:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, what? These are the creators of Spore. JAF1970 (talk) 04:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm just saying what policy says. I personally have no opinion whatsoever on the game, or it's genre. I'm merely pointing out policy ays, if there are reliable sources that have a viewpoint, then it should be included in the article. The other parties disagree that one source nullifies all others. You need to convince them otherwise. You also have not provided the source for their comment. I suggest you write your version on the proposals page. The others have done so, so you should as well. Whether you are right or wrong, the process must be followed. So, if you will, . Thats the only way this will work, for them anyway. Merely asserting that you are correct won't change the fact that they disagree, therefore you need to convince them otherwise. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 04:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * So, it's me and the people actually making the game vs. people who have never even touched the game? JAF1970 (talk) 05:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If you wish to put it in those terms, then so be it. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 05:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikiquette_alerts
I've started this discussion on you, based on your recent actions. Feel free to comment if you want. RobJ1981 (talk) 23:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Calling people trolls isn't helpful. Your behavior shouldn't just be ignored. Sorry if you are offended, but it's not trolling at all. RobJ1981 (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why exactly do you think a team Spore member should determine how the article is setup? That appears to be a conflict of interest to me. A person working on the game (helping with it, or whatever) isn't the judge of how the article looks. They might approve of images, I'll give you that. But you would need reliable information for that. Either way, you are overreacting on the talk page. The article isn't suddenly "garbage", "destroyed" or "useless" due to images being gone. That's your view on it, but that certainly doesn't appear to be the consensus of everyone else involved with the Spore article (or even many people just viewing it). RobJ1981 (talk) 21:16, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you stated no one objected - that's untrue. And the gargage, destroyed, useless? That's my opinion. My opinion is as valid as yours. Feel free to state you like it. Like I said, I'm going to get the approval of Maxis to restore the pics. JAF1970 (talk) 21:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez
Hey Jonah, I understand we have both had issue with Wiki editing of our perspective bios. Matt Sanchez drop me a line, we'll compare notes matthew.a.sanchez@gmail.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.95.229 (talk) 21:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Talking on talk pages
Concerning this edit here, I believe the common practice to reply to comments which are higher up in a discussion page is to reply at the end, but unindented to indecate who you are replying to. Replying after the comment breaks the continuity of the page and makes reading it at a later date confusing. Thanks, John  .n-  IRL  14:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, thats only half correct, see here. Dansiman informed me of my mistake on my talk page. John  .n-  IRL  17:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Spore Archive
Hi, you seemed to have archived discussions that are little of a week old. Im not sure if there is a pre-agreed time frame for archiving on the page but that seems a bit short? John .n-  IRL  10:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The issues in the newer ones were resolved, so they were old as soon as moderation occured. And another was forum-style stuff, which doesn't belong anyway. JAF1970 (talk) 16:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that a couple of them were archived too soon; two in particular were less than three days old at the time. Though they may have been closed topics, I think it's a good idea to leave them there until at least a week after the most recent post in the thread, to give less frequent visitors time to see them without having to go into the archives (which some people may not be familiar with). Even pages like X for Deletion and Administrators Noticeboard, which typically have a far more experienced audience, don't archive topics before they've been idle for a full week. The Spore talk page isn't nearly as active as those, so there's nothing wrong with leaving discussions up for longer still, as long as the total page size is manageable. In my opinion, at the very least, the last five topics and the NFCC topic should have been left in until the page got much larger again.
 * As to the forum post remark, the planet/star topic was called a forum post by someone, but it may have simply been a poorly worded question (it was old enough to archive though, no complaints on that one). The "Validation" and "Internet required" topics were led with "sorry if this seems like a forum post" probably because of the forum talk in the earlier topic, but both were most definitely not forum-style questions, they were about the article itself, requesting clarification on the information present.
 * This being said, while I feel that too much was moved to the archives, I'm not going to revert it as I think it's not all that harmful. But in the future, could you maybe be a little more conservative when you decide how much to archive, JAF1970? Thanks,  D a n si m a n  ( talk | Contribs ) 20:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob. JAF1970 (talk) 20:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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No need to shout. John .n-  IRL  18:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

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Barbaroga
That may be the case. Are there any reliable sources for the article? I don't think the page will be speedily deleted, since you've added the tag and listed your reasoning on the talk page, but adding references will keep the article from being prod-ed or taken to articles for deletion. Good luck!  TN ‑ X - Man  17:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. (You sent me another message while I was typing my reply above) - Since two articles with the exact same name (different capitalizations) appeared at almost the exact same time, it appeared to be advertising to me. Again, cheers!  TN ‑ X - Man  17:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The reliable source is that they've published games, have their own site, were hired by Electronic Arts and Disney to do their software. I don't know how two pages with the same name appeared - one is changed to a redirect to the main page. JAF1970 (talk) 17:47, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * In order for it to be a reliable source, there has to be an actual source. There are a lot of companies out there that have published games and have their own site. Have they been covered in an independent publication? Is there something to indicate notability?  TN ‑ X - Man  17:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Gamasutra profile added. There's others. JAF1970 (talk) 17:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * They also won a contest at the 2006 Game Developers Conference. Links added. JAF1970 (talk) 18:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) - Hey, now we're talking. An award confers notability and as such, I've removed the speedy deletion tag. Good luck on improving the rest of the article and if there's anything with which I can help, drop me a line. Cheers!  TN ‑ X - Man  18:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but when you slapped the AfD deletion tag, I was still in the middle of creating the page. :p JAF1970 (talk) 18:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

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June 2008
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to Wikipedia. However, please know that editors do not own articles and should respect the work of their fellow contributors. If you create or edit an article, know that others are free to change its content. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Steve Crossin  (contact)  07:24, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not "own" pages, Steve. Furthermore, leaked games are not notable according to WP:VG. Every game is leaked. JAF1970 (talk) 07:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Steve here. You do act like you own the page at times. People can't even edit it at times, without you reverting it or changing it around somehow. RobJ1981 (talk) 04:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Rob, you were reverted by two different people. Don't be sore because it's not WP:VG to mention leaked games unless it's significant. JAF1970 (talk) 07:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This is more than just you reverting me. This back in May:, along with several other talk page discusssions. Plus the whole thing about the GamerStooge site(which you work on), that got black listed or whatever. All of this points to ownership issues in my view. Perhaps I'll ask an admin about this. RobJ1981 (talk) 07:17, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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Personal comment from Spore talk page moved here
Stop bolding the not a forum comment, JAF1970. Many (myself included) consider that to be shouting, which isn't civil. RobJ1981 (talk) 05:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

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Spore
I moved Spore development section to below usually gameplay comes first them comes other things. --SkyWalker (talk) 16:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about the links to the Dev of Spore page. JAF1970 (talk) 16:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep an eye on the way you're coming across JAF - try not to be overly aggressive, or sarcastic as people will take that as aggression. --Samtheboy (t/c) 18:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should notice The Link of the Past giving off loads of attitude with the *gasp* and stuff. JAF1970 (talk) 18:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, however you have been warned before about your apparent aggressiveness - I'm just trying to save you grief! Also re: name changes, I was just trying to find a middle ground - I don't really care what it's called in the end as long as I can find it! --Samtheboy (t/c) 15:05, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not the one calling people "dolts". JAF1970 (talk) 16:24, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I know you weren't - however being doing things because someone else does them is never a good excuse! Keep up the good fight anyhoo! --Samtheboy (t/c) 20:05, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Were you talking about this?. --SkyWalker (talk) 14:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

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On your edit to the Black Pearl page on 14:52, 20 May 2007, you noted that the Black Pearl was originally called the Wicked Wench. Also, it has been noted on the Black Pearl page that the ship was ordered burned and sunk by Cutler Beckett. What is the source of this info, since it isn't available in the films? Thanks, Nathan 1981 (talk) 01:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * DVD notes. JAF1970 (talk) 05:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Any DVD (PoTC 1,2,3) in particular?  Any place in particular (commentaries, special features . . .)?   I'll find the exact sources and place them as citations in the Black Pearl page if you can point me in the right direction.  Nathan 1981 (talk) 17:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you do a Google search for "Wicked Wench" and "Black Pearl", you'll learn that "Wicked Wench" was the name of the ship on the ride. It was written into the script that the Black Pearl was originally the Wicked Wench but changed by Barbossa to the Black Pearl. JAF1970 (talk) 18:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

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Generally: massive quotation/quotes lists aren't notable for including in articles. Use WikiQuote for this information. RobJ1981 (talk) 20:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Fable 2 pubgames correction
Acording to one of your edits you enterd "Earn experance points" this is however false, the gold you earn in the pubgames is trasnferd to fable 2, this was confirmed at GDC 08. Blaze of merc (talk) 05:29, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. When was the GDC and when were these previews written? (Hint: GDC in March, previews LAST WEEK. JAF1970 (talk) 16:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Then explain why in the Description of the games on xbox live market place it says GOLD, you earn EXP in the PUB games to incress you rank IN THE PUB GAMES,You earn gold in your game, dont go by what other sites say you go by what the developer says.Blaze of merc (talk) 19:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

and if you need more proof http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14236733/fable-mini-game/videos/fablexbla_vidpreview_070708.htmlBlaze of merc (talk) 20:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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Just a thought
Strolling through your Archive was pretty intense, seems like everyone at one time or another had it out for you. I'm pretty surprised at that WQA as well, the amount of personal feelings towards you seemed to of been cause of a bad verdict. I don't see why people are so against you. I've been around watching Spore (video game) for a while and I've always sided with your facts (aside from being nearly undeniable in logic) despite your temper with people. To be fair though, it seems like they try to blatantly argue points against you or seem to goad you on.

Just figured I'd say that I appreciate all the work you've put in and I respect your bold stance in what you believe. ClosedEyesSeeing (talk) 19:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you ever sleep? ClosedEyesSeeing (talk) 13:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you read the part about how he was proven to be wrong and worse an obstacle to collaboration regarding the Australian release date? 203.110.136.172 (talk) 03:45, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

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RobJ1981
You may want to issue a wikiquette alert and include these links. He is clearly targeting you, which is not unlike him to do. It is indisputable that he was looking at your contribution history, and undoing your edits. These edits were all within a 7 minute time period. This is what Rob likes to call stalking, and there is no excuse for his behavior.

      

And don't worry, Rob has a history of undoing peoples reverts on their own talk pages too. So it's quite amusing he is complaining to you about it. But Rob never has to follow anything he complains about. He'll probably report you to an admin as a knee jerk response to your mediation filing and he won't tell you either, he'll do it behind your back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.44.129 (talk) 23:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To note, it's not stalking to check someone's contributions, even if they intend to revert certain contributions the user made. It's only stalking if he's doing it out of malice. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to note that users can do whatever they want with their talk pages, and while it may be impolite, it's not against policy. Fin©™ 00:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE. JAF1970 (talk) 00:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This is what I was going by anyway, though there may be another policy I'm not aware of. Fin©™ 00:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're bordering incivility with your edit summaries. First of all, I don't think it necessary to note exactly what you've to do in the endgame (though I can see why it should be included), and second, why shouldn't there be a comparison to other games? As far as I know, Spore is the first Sim/Maxis game to feature an ending. I think that's notable enough for inclusion. Fin©™ 00:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right, ClosedEyesSeeing. Look at how these people are baiting me into "uncivil" behavior. I'm going to have to make another call to San Francisco and tell them I'm getting pretty anger at the passive-aggressive tactics by these people. They declare I'm being "uncivil" while being annoyingly officious, as if they own Wikipedia. They ESPECIALLY use this tactic when I'm completely in the right, have evidence, use logical arguments, and they have no other recourse. JAF1970 (talk) 00:54, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Em, excuse me, but I did nothing to warrant your edit summary. I simply tidied the section as I thought best, making no comment on your edits, I simply pointed out that you were incorrect in your assertion that users cannot edit their own talk page, and that I thought you were overly aggressive on the Spore talk page. I supported the addition of the endgame to the article, and have not removed it, again, I was tidying. I don't quite understand your use of San Francisco or they, or the fact that the entire edit was direct at ClosedEyes, who I don't see in this discussion. And finally, I didn't call you uncivil, I said you were bordering it, which you are. Thanks! Fin©™ 01:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you actually scroll up a little: Just a thought. JAF1970 (talk) 01:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hence why I removed page (which I had actually written accidently) directly after I added it. Fin©™ 01:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And what exactly am I doing? I'm pointing out that what he's doing is not stalking. Simple as that. And on top of all of this, he does have the right to remove any message on his user talk page. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I may just quit being an active editor. I'm getting pretty sick of this. JAF1970 (talk) 01:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to quit being active, but for reasons including that you're spazzing out over nothing, and need to take a step back and take a deep breath. Stop being so paranoid and offended about every little thing. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As I've said on the Spore talk page, I've made a note of your conduct on WT:VG. Also, be aware of WP:3RR in your edits on Spore itself. Fin©™ 01:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So, when Rob acts the exact same way I do, it's not against Wikipolicy - but when I do it, suddenly I'm breaching conduct? Can I delete this conversation like Rob did? JAF1970 (talk) 01:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of Rob's edits, as he brought this up on WT:VG, but hasn't participated in any discussion or edits that I'm aware of (save one or two on the Spore page and associated talk page). And, exactly like Rob (and all Wikipedia users), you can delete this entire conversation if you so wish, though it will obviously still be available in the page history. Fin©™ 01:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can delete it. And what you're doing is harassment, basically if he speaks ill of you, you will threaten to get admin intervention. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not threatening anything. I've never requested mediation before, and only did it as the last straw. Ask any of the editors whom I've worked in concert with - the non-controntational ones - that I do a lot of hard work to make sure things are done correctly.
 * I'm getting tired of presenting unassailable evidence or sources, have people shout it down, while threatening to block me or ban me while at the same time calling me "uncivil". These same people are claiming I went to admins trying to get my way at the same time threatening me with WP policy banning and blocking. It's called a double standard. I'm extremely straightforward about this. JAF1970 (talk) 01:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * At no point through this entire discussion have I seen any threats of blocking or banning made against you at any point. I warned you were bordering uncivil, which I felt was warranted. Also, I'd like to point out that the part of the Spore article you were arguing and reverting for is still there, so I don't know what you're referencing when you say you present "unassailable evidence or sources". Your escalation to an admin was premature, which is the point Link's getting to. Again, I don't know who you're referencing when you saying "threatening me with WP policy banning and blocking". Anyway, sleep time. Laters. Fin©™ 02:06, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

As I've said on the Spore talk page, I've made a note of your conduct on WT:VG.
 * At no point?
 * So, anything being noted about Rob's conduct every time he puts an "ORPHANED" tag on new Xbox Live Arcade game articles, despite the fact there's always several links and categories included? JAF1970 (talk) 02:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That was not a threaten of banning or blocking. It was a statement I had brought up your conduct on WT:VG, exactly as it says. If you've a problem with Rob's edits, bring it up on WT:VG or his talk page. This is not the place for it. Fin©™ 02:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I will respond about the orphan tag (since I don't remember JAF ever bringing it up to me, if he did in the past: I either missed it or already answered back then). An orphan tag is for an article that needs articles that link to it. The "what links here" (on the left hand side, under toolbox) is what I go by. Links and categories in the article itself, aren't relevant to it being orphaned or not. For an example: see Barubalosa. It has 7 pages that link to it (of which: only 2 are actual articles, the rest are project and user pages). That's considered orphaned (to me at least, others probably would only tag it orphan if there was 1 or no links). RobJ1981 (talk) 15:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Trivia
Partially, however the edit you had made, did not make the content look any less like trivia. At least mentioning Maxis relates the comment to relevant information. TH 1 RT 3 EN talk ♦ contribs 02:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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I see you reverted my cropping of Image:Halo wars.png. I was wondering why? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 00:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's against policy to misrepresent the box art. JAF1970 (talk) 02:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How are we misrepresenting it? We're using a cropped version, removing copyrighted branding to boot... I don't see how that runs against policy. WP:NFCC requires as small as portion of the work as possible, and I'm doing just that. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 02:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Funny how no other sites large and small seem to have a problem with the full representational box art. JAF1970 (talk) 07:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * At WT:VG we had a discussion about box art, and a number of editors agreed that it was better to just show the box art if possible, rather than the cluttered box with the headers, which are a waste of space for the infobox width restrictions; the infobox looks cleaner and shows the artwork larger without all the 'Xbox exclusive' crap. The method's done by many articles, see Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2, Halo 3, GTA IV, and Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. As for what other sites do, the don't give a damn about fair use and content restrictions anyway, otherwise there wouldn't be all the watermarking. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 12:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Moved edit
I've moved your edit (this) from the project page to the talk page. If I'm wrong in moving it, I apologise in advance. - X201 (talk) 08:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * oops. I didn't mean to not have it in the talk page :p JAF1970 (talk) 15:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Development of Spore
I suggest you either report the editor (if it's indeed vandalism, and not just a content dispute), or just stop edit warring. I believe both of you are violating 3RR at this point. RobJ1981 (talk) 04:02, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

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Spore JP Release
Hello. Please see this syntax guide, which states "Use the first public non-festival release in the game's country of origin, as well as any English-language release dates available". That's why I removed the JP release. Thanks! Fin©™ 16:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * However, EA published Japan as separate. Furthermore, the NA release is AFTER the Japanese release. JAF1970 (talk) 16:05, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Both points are irrelevant. Please read the syntax guide. Also, do not disrupt to make a point as you did with this edit. Thanks! Fin©™ 16:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It is NOT a disrupt. You said only non-English (since the game is English language). JAF1970 (talk) 16:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've no idea what you mean by "you said only non-English". I directly quoted the syntax guide, which you can see above. The UK and Ireland are in the EU, and they both speak english, so the EU is included as an english-language release. Thanks! Fin©™ 19:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

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Please read these pages regarding self-published sources like fansites. These are not reliable sources and cannot be used for citation like you did in the Spore article.--Crossmr (talk) 00:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

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On Removing the Scientific Background section from the Spore Development page
To JAF1970: Do I understand correctly that you removed it because you feel it does not have anything to do with software? Why do you consider that relevant? The cultural content of Spore is just as important as the computer software system it is in, especially given that it has sought publicity on the basis that it is somehow educational and related to biological evolution (as in the National Geographic documentary program). Please note that by removing it, you undid considerable effort by someone who had received legitimately a review copy of Spore some time ago, and thus was able to invest much time. Please forgive my suspicion that Spore partisans or EA/Maxis employees set up the articles originally as publicity, and have been tending them to make them as positive as possible all along. I do notice that most recently you have contributed to the articles on two other Electronic Arts games. Should I restore what you removed again? Or would you explain more fully why a few seconds of your effort erased hours of my effort?Samuel Lann (talk) 16:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It does not belong - it's against WP:VG, for one. For another, it's rambling and aimless and has NOTHING to do with the game or its development. This is a software article. JAF1970 (talk) 22:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikis Take Manhattan
WHAT Wikis Take Manhattan is a scavenger hunt and free content photography contest aimed at illustrating Wikipedia and StreetsWiki articles covering sites and street features in Manhattan and across the five boroughs of New York City. The event is based on last year's Wikipedia Takes Manhattan, and has evolved to include StreetsWiki this year as well.

LAST YEAR'S EVENT


 * Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Spring 2008 (a description of the results, and the uploading party)
 * Commons:Wikipedia Takes Manhattan/Gallery (our cool gallery)

WINNINGS? Prizes include a dinner for three with Wikipedia creator Jimmy Wales at Pure Food & Wine, gift certificates to Bicycle Habitiat and the LimeWire Store, and more!

WHEN The hunt will take place Saturday, September 27th from 1:00pm to 6:30pm, followed by prizes and celebration.

WHO All Wikipedians and non-Wikipedians are invited to participate in team of up to three (no special knowledge is required at all, just a digital camera and a love of the city). Bring a friend (or two)!

REGISTER The proper place to register your team is here. It's also perfectly possible to register on the day of when you get there, but it will be slightly easier for us if you register beforehand.

WHERE Participants can begin the hunt from either of two locations: one at Columbia University (at the sundial on college walk) and one at The Open Planning Project's West Village office. Everyone will end at The Open Planning Project:


 * Wikis Take Manhattan page at The Open Planning Project


 * 349 W. 12th St. #3
 * Between Greenwich & Washington Streets
 * By the 14th St./8th Ave. ACE/L stop

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Wikis Take Manhattan rescheduled for October 4
Wikis Take Manhattan has been rescheduled for next Saturday, October 4, due to the rain predicted for this weekend.. I hope you can make it to the new time, and bring a friend (or two)!--Pharos (talk) 23:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

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Spore for GAN
I see you've stopped editing the Spore article; why's that? Have you thought of working on it again to bring it to GAN again? :) Gary King ( talk ) 00:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been sort of busy - I haven't checked Spore's status lately. JAF1970 (talk) 00:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Plus, I wanted to stay out of Spore for a while after that mess. (sigh) I did what I can to bring it to near good status. JAF1970 (talk) 16:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Talk:Spore_(2008_video_game) Gary King ( talk ) 19:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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Reply
You'll see from the article's talk page that I didn't believe that date to be correct. However, per WP:VERIFY, it should be added to the article. That's how it works.► Chris Nelson Holla! 00:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * However, Hilary Goldstein said IGN says March 2009. Not March 1. JAF1970 (talk) 10:35, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The most specific verifiable content is what should be added to the article. Doesn't matter if we know it's probably wrong.► Chris Nelson Holla! 15:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

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Jonah Falcon
I semi-protected the article, but I am hesitant to fully protect it. Semi-protection requires that you have a user account that is at least four days old with ten edits before you can edit an article. Since by far the vast majority (easily 95%) of vandalism comes from users who not logged in or from very new users, would this be acceptable to you? Full protection is usually reserved for cases of unbelievably high levels of vandalism, or to stop excessive edit-warring. J.delanoy gabs adds 04:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's good. I don't like to edit an article about me, but I do keep a vigilance when vandalism occurs. Hopefully, that'll be a deterrent. JAF1970 (talk) 04:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, I have your article on my watchlist, I'll be removing vandalism or personal attacks directed at you on the talk page. — Realist  2  04:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't let him bait you, I'm watching the article, just ignore him, he'll get bored eventually :D — Realist  2  23:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

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