User talk:JDudeman

Jason & Joker
You can't know how weary the regular editors get of "tidying" up other people's work time after time after time. When something gets added with numerous problems and that doesn't fit the kind of thing people have agreed (over the course of a few years) belongs in the article, they need to be responsible for their own material instead of leaving it for other people to clean up. Make tiny changes and make them one at a time until you really get familiar with these articles.

But you asked quite sincerely, so I'll try to walk you through some of this. This time.

The controversial return of Jason Todd, made possible by Superboy-Prime's escape from a pocket reality leading into Infinite Crisis, has added new depth to the Batman/Joker equation.' You're expressing an opinion. See WP:NPOV.

Todd's death had been a pivotal event in the Batman mythos,' The article already covered this.

and his resurrection brought the issue back into the spotlight. What spotlight? Do you have a source to back up this opinion?

Todd, embittered by his mentor's 'failure' to avenge his death by letting the Joker live, becomes an enigmatic figure, having seperate conflicts with Nightwing (Dick Grayson, the first Robin), and Tim Drake (the third and current Robin) This article is not about Jason. He has his own article. The Joker wasn't even around for the encounters with Nightwing and Tim.

in a sort of an identity crisis. That's not encyclopedic writing. Plus, it invokes POV.

''Jason Todd captures the Joker and savagely beats him, and they engage in a conflict of wills. Although Todd later forces Batman to choose between saving the Joker's life and letting Todd live (an event that ends in the collapse of the building that they were in, rendering the test moot), the incident shows Todd confronting the Joker with the insight that the 'Clown Prince' isn't quite as crazy as he lets on. The Joker reacts to this accusation by ceasing to laugh, instead giving his ex-victim a sullen glare.'' Even aside from interpretation (like "moot"), this just has too much detail. Look at how many different comic stories are mentioned in this article. Imagine how crowded, how long the article would be if every story got this kind of detail. Jason's simple accusation that the Joker isn't quite as crazy as he lets on, however, adds to our character analysis in a simple way that does not invoke our own perspective.

Todd, in turn, finds this hilarious. You're interpreting Jason's reaction instead of letting facts speak for themselves. This adds nothing to our understanding of the Joker.Doczilla 08:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. And no, there is absolutely nothing improper about asking me on my talk page about these edits. That is completely appropriate. It shows a genuine interest on your part in trying to understand. Your enthusiasm is appreciated. As a newcomer, just take "baby steps" and you'll pick things up just fine. Doczilla 08:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)