User talk:JEMGODFREY

January 2013
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I'm Jem Godfrey and I would like to make it clear to the administrators that my entry is, at best, out of date and now largely inaccurate. I should like to make it clear that I wish to be represented truthfully here and not by a selection of out of date references sourced from specialist music related forums. I have a fan base from a genre of music that I produce and I know that initially my Wiki entry was created by a fan of a progressive rock band I run called Frost*. Thus the bias of information was skewed from the outset.

As a result of that single minded interest, a great many other areas of my professional life are either ignored or misrepresented. For example, my discography is hugely out of date and misleading due to it's haphazard gathering in the first place by said progressive rock fan, and not an independent record of my complete professional output. In short, it is factually incomplete and misleading. No mention is made of my work with Wise Buddah for example, a company that has been a part of my professional life for 13 years. Nor my remix work, live work with G3 last year, my other awards for radio production etc.

For example I see that my co-writer and co-producer in a great many of my pop work, BIll Padley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Padley) has successfully managed to have my input in the same songs you will find on my entry, credited to the two of us on my entry, completely deleted.

On my entry is says - "Godfrey was responsible, with Bill Padley at Wise Buddah music, for many UK number one hits including Atomic Kitten's platinum-selling single, "Whole Again", which earned the pair two Ivor Novello Award nominations, and the production and remixing of the international hit version of "Kiss Kiss" by Holly Valance"

Yet on Bill Padley's entry, it says "He won an Ivor Novello Award on 25 May 2006, for the best selling single of 2005, "That's My Goal", by The X-Factor's Shayne Ward. Padley is also credited with a string of #1 hit singles in the UK Singles Chart, including Atomic Kitten's "Whole Again", which earned him two Ivor Novello Award nominations, and the production and remixing of the international hit version of "Kiss Kiss" by Holly Valance."

CLEARLY there is misinformation here. How is it Bill Padley allowed to COMPLETELY remove reference to my contribution on these records, yet I am not?

With that in mind, I would propose that the information contained in my entry is generally poorly sourced, certainly in respect of my professional engagements such as my work with Wise Buddah Ltd and other professional musical engagements, and inaccurately recorded. It is selective, biased (in my opinion) towards fans one element of my career (i.e. the progressive rock band Frost). Therefore it is unfairly biased by external factors and factually unreliable to the casual enquirer.

In summary I would say that my entry is currently biased, false and misleading and as such I should like it either updated accordingly or removed as it does not represent my professional history remotely accurately as it is, currently seemingly curated by fans of one small area of my professional life.

I regard this matter with the utmost seriousness and hope this note shall be given full consideration.

Sincerely, Jem Godfrey

My entry is incorrect and I feel powerless to correct it.
I'm Jem Godfrey and I would like to make it clear to the administrators that my entry is, at best, out of date and now largely inaccurate. I should like to make it clear that I wish to be represented truthfully here and not by a selection of out of date references sourced from specialist music related forums. I have a fan base from a genre of music that I produce and I know that initially my Wiki entry was created by a fan of a progressive rock band I run called Frost*. Thus the bias of information was skewed from the outset.

As a result of that single minded interest, a great many other areas of my professional life are either ignored or misrepresented. For example, my discography is hugely out of date and misleading due to it's haphazard gathering in the first place by said progressive rock fan, and not an independent record of my complete professional output. In short, it is factually incomplete and misleading. No mention is made of my work with Wise Buddah for example, a company that has been a part of my professional life for 13 years. Nor my remix work, live work with G3 last year, my other awards for radio production etc.

For example I see that my co-writer and co-producer in a great many of my pop work, BIll Padley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Padley) has successfully managed to have my input in the same songs you will find on my entry, credited to the two of us on my entry, completely deleted.

On my entry is says - "Godfrey was responsible, with Bill Padley at Wise Buddah music, for many UK number one hits including Atomic Kitten's platinum-selling single, "Whole Again", which earned the pair two Ivor Novello Award nominations, and the production and remixing of the international hit version of "Kiss Kiss" by Holly Valance"

Yet on Bill Padley's entry, it says "He won an Ivor Novello Award on 25 May 2006, for the best selling single of 2005, "That's My Goal", by The X-Factor's Shayne Ward. Padley is also credited with a string of #1 hit singles in the UK Singles Chart, including Atomic Kitten's "Whole Again", which earned him two Ivor Novello Award nominations, and the production and remixing of the international hit version of "Kiss Kiss" by Holly Valance."

CLEARLY there is misinformation here. How is it Bill Padley allowed to COMPLETELY remove reference to my contribution on these records, yet I am not?

With that in mind, I would propose that the information contained in my entry is generally poorly sourced, certainly in respect of my professional engagements such as my work with Wise Buddah Ltd and other professional musical engagements, and inaccurately recorded. It is selective, biased (in my opinion) towards fans one element of my career (i.e. the progressive rock band Frost). Therefore it is unfairly biased by external factors and factually unreliable to the casual enquirer.

In summary I would say that my entry is currently biased, false and misleading and as such I should like it either updated accordingly or removed as it does not represent my professional history remotely accurately as it is, currently seemingly curated by fans of one small area of my professional life.

I regard this matter with the utmost seriousness and hope this note shall be given full consideration.

Sincerely, Jem Godfrey


 * You are certainly welcome to make corrections to your article so long as you can stay within the guidelines at WP:BLPSELF. Your recent edits were reverted because you attempted to discuss the article within the article rather than on its accompanying Talk:Jem Godfrey. I will put a template link at the top of this section that will alert those better equipped to help you with this particular situation. Thank you for your patience. -- &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  01:20, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Jem. I've dropped by in response to Uncle Milty's template requesing admin help to see if I can explain the situation and suggest a course of action for you. Basically, Wikipedia tries to only report information that has been previously published in reliable sources (these usually constitute books and mainstream media publications, although a more detailed explanation of the concept can be found at Identifying reliable sources) - this is enforced especially carefully in the case of biographies of living people. We do strive to create balanced, neutral articles, but Wikipedia's a work in progress and it always needs to be updated and improved.
 * Thus, whilst we'd be very happy to include details of your work with Wise Buddah etc., we require reliable sources that verify the information before it can be written up in the article. Whilst people are discouraged from editing articles about themselves, you are more than welcome to make suggestions on the article's associated talkpage. The best course of action for you at this point would be to list any sources you can find which talk about your wider work in the music industry (bearing in mind the "reliable" requirement mentioned above) on that page, which will enable other editors to expand the content accordingly. The same goes for Bill Padley's page; if you feel you should be mentioned in that entry, visit Talk:Bill Padley and state your case, with sources that support your inclusion there.
 * I hope this helps to explain the situation; feel free to drop me a note on my talkpage if I can be of further assistance. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  10:12, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I came to answer this request, but find that Yunshui has already given you excellent advice. Only one thing to add: there is a page of advice for people concerned about their own articles at WP:Biographies of living persons/Help. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * While I am a fan of Godfrey's music, I am finding it unsettling that over 90% of the content in this biography is utterly unsourced / lacking reference material to support it. If a complete rewrite were to be executed, I worry that there may not be much of a biography at all that remains... because frankly, the mainstream media do not mention Godfrey often, and if they do, it's in relationship to his band, not him as a person. - AppleBsTime (talk) 16:16, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

In response to your feedback
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us_-_Subjects Please do not edit your own article; seeWP:Autobiography.

Ariconte (talk) 01:20, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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